The dark side of USA

[kathaksung]

New high tech weapons such as radiation material, microwave kill people without trace, leaving death look like heart attack, blood cancer, etc.

In 1991, because an acquaintance was arrested for drug smuggling, I was under surveillance by law enforcemenbt agent. They used isotope money as tracer which hurt my health badly. After I complained this I found I was frequently under microwave radiation which cooked my blood, solidified thim to form clog, caused severe chest pain. As pressure intensified,I could not bear the torture of EM wave, I went abroad in 1999. There I still was under surveillance of local police. On Mar. 22 2000, attempts of frame me up to a drug case forced me seeking political asylum in Thailand.

What made an U.S. citizen drift abroad and ask for political asylum? The black box practice covered criminal activities of U.S. law enforcement agency. New high tech weapons enable them to murder people without being aware of. To prevent U.S. become a fascist country, an independent organization which can check the conduct of law enforcement agency is necessary.

It was a big case ten years ago.

I was a seller in San Jose Berryessa Flea Market. I sell porcelain figuring. On Sept. 1990, a lady, named Mrs. Chen, came to my stand, saying that she was an importer of porcelain. I bought some merchandise from her because she offered a good price.

On June. 1991, Mrs. Chen was arrested for drug smuggling. The newspaper titled: " Heroin bust called U.S. record".(See San Jose Mercury, 6-22-1991). There was a lot of harassment since then. I was followed, bugged, business turned downward, etc..

1. Psychology intimidation

According to newspaper, the heroin container arrived in on May, 1991. Mrs. Chen was arrested on June 22, 1991 when they opened it. During that one month waiting period, I was stopped by police for three times.

The first time was on Monday, in downtown San Jose. A police car sirened. I stopped, officer came forward, asking me if I knew why he stopped me. I said I did not know. He said that I was speeding. He gave me a ticket after talked to microphone . I didn't argue because I had not notice my speed at that time. But I knew I could not be very fast because it was on 7th Street where the traffic light set for 30 miles. That mean if you driving at 30 miles you meet green light all the way, if you past 30, you hit a red light.

Next day was Tuesday, I went to Galt Flea Market early in the morning and arrived there about 6 a.m. The town was still asleep. No people or vihicle in sight. I was stopped by a sirening police car. Same question asked and officer told me I did not stop fully at stop sign. I was very depressing. To my delight, the officer coming back after he talked to microphone, said that he would not give me a ticket.

Within a week, there was a third time. It's inside San Jose Flea Market. Everything repeated. Officer said I was speeding at 15 miles against 5 miles limit. I had worked in Flea Market for 7 years and drove in same way, never had a problem. So did other sellers. The officer smiled at me at last after talked to microphone. Let me go without a ticket. I was so impressed because if they cited me in late two stops, I would have lost my drive license.

Weeks later, Mrs Chen was arrested. Even then I didn't relate two events together. Until about two months later, an article in newspaper touched my mind. It said police sirened signal when a man violated traffic rule. The man did not stop but speeded away in panic. Police searched his car and found drugs. Three times stopped by police within a week happened in time just the heroin container arrived in Mrs. Chen's warehouse. So it was a psychology intimidation test for me. There were many of This kind of harasment later. But compare to isotope money and microwave radiation and fluorescent lamp killing, it's nothing.

[kathaksung]

2. Infra-scanner, surveillance behind wall

I sell porcelain figuring. After a while, there were quite amount of broken one accumulated. That day, I was sticking the broken part back by using a glue gun. I switched on power so glue stick melted, ready for working. While I was doing my work, my tenant came in to get some food in refrigerator.(I rented out two upstairs bedrooms and shared kitchen with my tenants.) When I worked on second lot, he came again. For the third time, he was rushing down. This rose my attention. I noticed it happened just seconds after I switched on the power. It looked like that was the heat touched off his strange behavior. So I did an experiment. I packed up everything, sitting down, switching on the power of glue gun. Within seconds, he reacted as what I expected. He was embarrassed when he found I was smiling at him and explained that he was hungry. I smiling because I had the feeling a scientist had when making a discovery. The agent found the figure in screen had lit something and thought I was smoking marijuana, order my tenant to check. My tenant, knew nothing about infra-scanner, only reported I was repairing porcelain figuring. None of them was aware of it was caused by an electricity heated glue gun.

Several months later, when I repairing another pile of porcelain, same thing happened again. My tenant felt uneasy as I watching him going up and down. That in last rush down he held an underwear high and explained he was going to wash it.

Later in a newspaper article, a lawyer said it was fascist to use infra-scanner in surveillance. So I know the instrument name. And it is so sensitive that they can use it to discover corpse buried under ground from helicoptor. (For the corpse which is just died with residual body temperature)

Infra-scanner can be used to watch people behind wall. If it turns on people, then clothes mean nothing. People become nude. The strange thing is,in a country which is so emphasized on privacy, almost nobody mention it. Media rarely talk about it. Most people even don't know it. In San Jose Mercury News,(Feb 21,2001. pg.18A) there's an article: "Lawyer says police use of Thermal Imagine violates reasonable expectation of privacy" As a matter of fact, they use it 10 years ago already according to my experience. Outwardly, U.S. is a democratic country. Inside, it is tightly controlled by secret police. Although you can easily redicule President, you rarely hear a voice criticize federal law enforcement agency. Waco is a controversial issue. Many people think FBI's action is murder. What's the result? Nobody takes responsibility. People are intimidated.

[kathaksung]

3. ISOTOPE MONEY (How agent find cash savings in your home)

I talked about these harassment to people I knew.
A man whom I thought was delivering the word for FBI, said that I should cooperate and suggested me to write check instead of paying cash in trading. I followed his advice. As I didn't go often to the bank, I started to put big notes (100's and 50's) in my left rear pocket of my jeans. Several months later, I suffered a backache and couldn't move my left leg. Found the source of pain was at my left hip right beneath the pocket where money kept, I moved the money away and recovered. suspecting it was radioactive money, I stopped to pocket big notes. About 5 months later, my wife planed to visit her parents in China. I started to save money for her trip on my left rear pocket, thinking it wouldn't hurt if just for a short while. But this time, only a few weeks, samething happened again. I only recovered after taking the money away. Realizing law enforcement agent using radiation material as tracer, which hurt my health badly, I complained but only saw something more serious happened. Microwave radiation is one of them.

By the way, because I am an naturalized U.S. citizen with limit vocabularies, I used word radiation money all the time, until last Sept. I went to Santa Clara D.A.'s office to tell them I worried about a frame up against me. Investigator Tom Johnson used the word 'isotope money'. Then I knew this word. So government knows it. They just deny they use it because it is criminal.

[kathaksung]

Tracking and wiretapping

At first, I wondered if they would follow me like in movie. Really they did. Different vehicles cross tracking me insistently. And I also noticed that when the original vehicle turned away, the drivers always talked something to a microphone. Then another replacing vehicle soon appeared. After I told this story to other people, I have not seen this scene any more. They bugged my talking and improved their communication. Though I still could identify some vehicles with characters.

4. Burglary and flooding

In San Jose flea market, there were three other people selling same porcelain figuring as me. They are brothers from Viet Nam, named Qian. We bought same merchandise from importer Mao(not Mrs. Chen whom was arrested in drug case).

After drug case happened, the youngest one's house was burglarized. Several thousand dollars cash was stolen. Sometime later, the old brother's house suffered a flooding. The old brother couple was taking a tour in Europe then. The water pipe inside the house broken, and walls soaking in water for days and at last collapsed. Insurance company paid the damage. 'What a curious coincidence.' I thought.'The water pipe broke when people are in vacation.' At this time, I found law enforcement agent use isotope money. So I thought Qian brothers, too, are the victims of law enforcement agent. If so, there should be a third time for young brother. As I expected, he was hit twice. First, his merchandise was stolen. Then, he had a flood in his house too. He seemed knew it was not a coincidence. Said:'It's all right, anyway, I got a new carpet from Insurance company.'

From my sight then, government commit more crime than anyone else. And people have to pay the cost. At least they have to pay more insurance fee.

[kathaksung]

5. Microwave killing

At that time, each Tuesday I went to Galt flea Market which took two hours' driving to get there. I was very sick after driving. I felt dizziness, hot and thirsty. Sometimes there was a chest pain. At first I didn't relate it to driving because chest pain always happened hours later after driving. I worried the new symptoms, but knew nothing what caused it. I noticed an article in newspaper said FBI Lab developed new technique of using microwave as a weapon.

Then in a Tuesday, I was very sick on my way home that I stopped driving for a while. That night, when I was watching TV, my neighbor, an old Taiwaness lady, visited us with a woman. When I turned my sight from TV to them, I found the woman was watching me too. Just at that moment, a severe chest pain attacked me. With eye to eye, I was suddenly aware of it was microwave that sickened me so much. There was no side window on my cargo van, and thus it acted as a microwave oven. After two hours slow cooking, I felt hot and thirsty and my blood would solidify to form clot, causing heart attack. The procedure took a few hours. It solved another question in my mind. I used to arrive home at 5 pm. At night, I watched eight o'clock's TV. My neighbor always visited us at this time. Puzzled me that "Why she always harasses us at this golden time? She should be more interested in Chinese series than me." Now I knew she was sent to see the result of microwave experiment, to see a heart attack. Next day I went to a metal shop and bought metal sheet to shield the engine cover and instrument panel. It worked. I didn't feel hot and dizziness any more. So when I felt headache at night, I used metal sheet to cover me while I slept.

The condition lasted until 1999 when it became worse. During daytime when I was home alone, I had severe headache and toothache which at last forced me left U.S. on March, 1999.

[Dragon Revisited]

Interesting stuff, but debatable.

1. Psychological intimidation. That's only true if you were guilty. They were simply eliminating you as a suspect. Better to get pulled over three times for minor traffic violations that to be arrested with Ms. Chen and subjected to the emotionally painful process of interrogation.

2. Infrared scanner behind wall. Why would he keep coming down after noticing the first time you were using a glue-gun? Better to have a stray "drug-sniffing" dog accidentally run into your place.

3. Isotope money in back pocket causing back-ache. Back-ache is a common problem for people carrying items in back pockets. When you sit down more pressure is put on one side than the other, eventually leading to back pain.

4. Burglary and Flooding. Sounds more like the work of other drug smugglers lashing out than any sort of police coercion, because ... well ... what would be the purpose?

5. Microwave killing. The symptoms you mention in your van are those of carbon monoxide poisoning, not radiation poisoning. Probably the result of a leak in your exhaust. And in the house, do you have a cheap microwave oven, or one more than five years old? All microwave ovens give off some radiation (within acceptable levels) but after use the cheap ones especially, begin leaking. Not many people bother to check them, because not many people have testers in their homes. Microwave ovens in public schools are often checked and frequently replaced because the radiation levels are too high.

Have you ever considered the possibility that someone close to you is indeed guilty of drug smuggling? And you're the victim of their activities rather than the police?

Just a thought.

[General Matrim Cauthon]

What gave you the idea to post this conspiracy theory here?

Anyway, unless you were already under some kind of suspicion, the gov't wouldn't go to all that trouble to track/harrass you...I don't think that the gov't would do any of that stuff to a common drug smuggler anyway...

Oh, well, at least I did learn one thing in this thread...I need to start putting my wallet in a different pocket. My right hip really hurts sometimes when I'm working out, and I never thought that my wallet could be the cause.:)

[Gramie]

Oh crap! My microwave is twelve years old! :(

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Gramie
Oh crap! My microwave is twelve years old! :(
Yeah, so's mine. That's why I leave the room while it's on. Unless it's one of those days when I'm feeling self-destructive, then I just stick my tongue on the door and heat up a glass of water for half an hour. :)

[Dr. Zarrax]

I like reading conspiracy theories. They always have some cool idea to read about....

did you hear the theory about how the government is secretly using first-person-shooter games to train the next generation of soldiers that will use robots in place of humans in battle?

[Dragon Revisited]

I haven't heard that one. I heard the one about AIDS having been a man-made creation for biological warfare which got loose.

Kind of like Frank Herbert's "The White Plague." Good book.

[TheScreaminChief]

I too, love reading these types of things. However, the critic in me has to wonder: does anyone really have the kind of free time and dedication it takes to engineer these schemes? Not to mention the intelligence to pull it off. Especially the government! :D I'm ex-military and a very patriotic American, but a lot of the people in my government couldn't pour water out of a bucket if the instructions were written on the bottom! I'm more worried about the goverment trying to screw me financially than being the subject of "high-tech" experiments.

[Frederico-C:UT]

Have you noticed any silent black helicopters following you around at night? Once the helicopters appear, it's only a matter of time until you disappear.

Hello? Still here?

[Hazir]

Any idea who made up the conspiracy theory Dragon Revisited ?

[Aspirine]

Wow, someone has seen too many james Bond movies :)

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Hazir
Any idea who made up the conspiracy theory Dragon Revisited?

I don't know where the theory came from originally, but you can find a wealth of paranoia food at http://4conspiracytheories.4anything.com/

[kathaksung]

Quote,"1. Psychological intimidation. That's only true if you were guilty. They were simply eliminating you as a suspect. Better to get pulled over three times for minor traffic violations that to be arrested with Ms. Chen and subjected to the emotionally painful process of interrogation. "

It's just a tactic to test if you are a drug dealer or not.
Do you admit they kill a lot of people?(refer to "They were simply eliminating you as a suspect."

Quote," 2. Infrared scanner behind wall. Why would he keep coming down after noticing the first time you were using a glue-gun? Better to have a stray "drug-sniffing" dog accidentally run into your place."

A stray "drug-sniffing" dog could not enter the house since the door was closed. A tenant lived in same house could. By the way, after the drug case, two of my three neighbors started keep dogs at their home. You are familiar with law enforcement agent's tactic.

Quote,"3. Isotope money in back pocket causing back-ache. Back-ache is a common problem for people carrying items in back pockets. When you sit down more pressure is put on one side than the other, eventually leading to back pain."

I can give you some imformation here. In patriotnews.com my thread was once moved away by moderator. I thought it's law enforcement agent behind the curtain. After I protested it, they let me go on posting, but the moderator put a series question doubt my message, here is the question about isotope money, I think the information was offered by FBI to him.

http://patriotnews.com/forum/patriot1/index.html

Quote,"Original Message: Let me clarify a couple of things for you...Re : 3. ISOTOPE MONEY

<mailto:doc@patriotnews.com>® , May 15,2001,16:59 Post Reply

.....In this country, the substance used to irradiate our money for tracing purposes is limited to a level that doesn't endanger health. This is because the irradiated money supply is held in a central location and must be constantly guarded by the FBI. In fact, the radiation from the money you had was not sufficient to cause health problems. ....."

My reply:

"If they told you the isotope money is unharmful, they are lying. Otherwise why it " is held in a central location and must be constantly guarded by the FBI. "? If my health didn't hurt, I will never know this secret. Do you think there is a God who tell me "isotope money"?"

Quote,"4. Burglary and Flooding. Sounds more like the work of other drug smugglers lashing out than any sort of police coercion, because ... well ... what would be the purpose? "

Law enforcement agent are mafia like looters. Isotope money used to trace the cash savings if you have at home. Flooding is to find if there's any treasure you hiking inside house. Go on with my messsage you'll know more.

Quote, "5. Microwave killing. The symptoms you mention in your van are those of carbon monoxide poisoning, not radiation poisoning. Probably the result of a leak in your exhaust. And in the house, do you have a cheap microwave oven, or one more than five years old? "

Then how could all the symptoms disappeared after I put metal plates on engin cover and instrument board? Do metal plates stopped leaking carbon monoxide? And in house, do you mean a cheap microwave oven had a selective function only leaking radiation particular on me, not to other people?

[kathaksung]

6. Looter and scapegoat

After I suffered from two hits from isotope money, I asked myself:" Why they used that kind of money on me, an innocent man?"

In 1993(or 1992), my family had a reunion. I told them how my health was hurt by isotope money. Within a week, my youngest sister's house was burglarized for three times. First time, some Asians broke into the house, stole a safe box. After my sister reported police, they came again, this time brought with a black man. On third time, that black man came alone. And this time, someone reporting police, black man was arrested and finally convicted. Obviously, my talking of isotope money touched off the burglary. I have three sisters and one brother along with their spouses. Most of them are employees of some company or government except my youngest brother-in-law. He is a successful businessman who is a distributor of brand name electronics such as Sony and Panasonic. He was the one possible having cash at home and he was the one to be burglarized. And the case is a typical FBI's. The real thieves never caught. Thus , the safe box would never recovered. But the case is over. Because there was a scapegoat, a black man. There should be a record in San Francisco P.D..

I never touch drug. So isotopic money must be paid by undercover agents in normal business. What is their purpose? I puzzled for a long time, could not believe that government was a looter.

[kathaksung]

7. Alleged murder of Ernie

I thought a man selling frame paintings was an undercover agent because he always set his booth at street cross next to my house and next to my selling space in Flea Market on week days. I found law enforcement agent used to set their surveillance next to suspect and spot where they can monitor all people. So when people said the painting seller paid $6,000 to bid for entrance space(for only 3 months' week-ends), I thought Ernie would have trouble because he made undercover to pay a high cost. Ernie was a supervisor of Flea Market. He held selling space. Sellers had to pay undertable money beyond normal rent to get them. It was said some hot spaces cost $10,000. Several months later, people said Erney died of a stroke. He was about in his 40's. Though I don't like him and thought he would have trouble, I didn't expect he would die.

It was until I have the experiences of isotope money and microwave radiation, I realized it was money which leading to his death. No doubt he had a lot of cash, which was the target of looter. Microwave ray shooting could make the death look like a stroke. (blood in brain).

8. FBI's profit

Everything shows that law enforcement agent use isotope money tracing if you have cash savings at home. But how could they steal from innocent people?

Later I learned from 'National Geography' (1961, June) In article " FBI: public friend number one ". ' Mr. Hoover prides upon the "profit" it shows annually. During fiscal 1960 the FBI received $113,600,000 in operating funds. Fines, savings, and recoveries of stolen property and contraband in cases investigated by the FBI amounted to $142,822,244, or $1.25 returned for every dollar invested by the taxpayer.' It's that 'profit' chase makes FBI a looter. It's that black box practise makes FBI closed and untouchable and new high tech weapons killing without trace makes them ruthless. How do you expect them be in justice while their purpose is pursuing 'profit'?

We need an independent commission to check the conduct of law enforcement agency, or otherwise to America is ruled by a government mafia.

[kathaksung]

9. Estranged friends and customers

Estranged friends and customers Like ordinary people, I have friends. Some of them in China. We kept communicate by letters. At least an X'mas card a year. Usually they mailed me the card first. Because it was busy for me before X'mas. After X'mas I began to return the late greeting cards. The turning point was the year's end of 1991 when drug case happened. For the first time I found I didn't receive card from friends. So I wrote them first.

Then I found my retailer customer(I did wholesale business in Galt flea market) were intimidated. Someone didn't show up ever. The others came to buy just like to fulfill a mission. They hurried away instead of having a friendly chat like before. Bit by bit, I realized people were intimidated. What's your reaction if law enforcement agent came to investigate your friend in drug case. I began to understand why my friends were reluctant to respondent and stopped to writing to them. My wife's was influenced too. We used to have a bunch of X'mas card before 1991. Now it's only two or three pieces. One of them is even a routine business card from insurance agent. You can see how law enforcement agent destroyed normal relationship of people.

10. The death of old people

My daughter had three playmates at that time. They knew each other in the park next to us. They live in same street. After the drug case, (about in 1992)the girls' parents moved away with them, Leaving three old people in their houses. The three old people are: grandma Lin, grandma Huang and grandpa Huang. It's unusual because in Asian' tradition, working parents used to let grandparents foster children. The girls age were 3-5 years old then.

Then on March 1999, I left for South-east Asia because I could not bear the torture of EM wave. (Although I don't know exactly what kind of wave they are using, electric-magnet wave is the best word for it. Microwave is one kind of it.) Within months after my leaving, all three old people died. It seems that they will eliminate those who know my story. I worry about those young people's lives if their death could not been explained as old. I'm afraid law enforcement agent will frame them in some case,(drug case is the easiest one) and then kill them in custody by the hands of gang members in jail.

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Then how could all the symptoms disappeared after I put metal plates on engin cover and instrument board? Do metal plates stopped leaking carbon monoxide? And in house, do you mean a cheap microwave oven had a selective function only leaking radiation particular on me, not to other people?
Why would it stop when you put metal plates on the engine cover and instrument panel? They could still get the waves to you through the windshield. And how could they specifically target you in your home without harming others in the home? I suspect you have some other health problems.

Old people dying? Obviously a conspiracy, since we all know that old people rarely die. :rolleyes:

[Rishaka]

I know this is a community forum, but it is an Infogrames Community Forum, so why is this here? kathaksung did you come here for technical support on a game or are you simply looking for a place to post this information?

[kathaksung]

Oh, yes, I thought it was just like the title "Community chat", didn't expect "technical support chat". I saw other people talked about politics, greenhouse effect, Jesus, all like a community chat more than technical chat. It seems there's different standard here, just like someone said the old microwave oven functioned in selective mood or as he hinted I was different from others, even in internet post.
Your "hm" remind me something, do you suggest a censorship? Or are you intimidated by law enforcement agent?

The following story happened in "Dark Conspiracy.com" forum. A typical call for censorship from agent.

Follow-up of my thread(which is the same I've posted here):

1. A call for censorship.

"ahem...can we get a Mod over here? MrS? NT"
(Double J, Wed Mar 14 16:04:29 2001)

2.Moderate's reply.

"What am I supposed to do?
I mean, I run an open forum. He hasn't violated a single rule or guideline...
If you don't want to read it, then don't my commonly initialed friend. :)
It is an interesting piece of fiction, even if it was written by someone who doesn't speak english as their first language. :)"
(MrSquiggles Wed Mar 14 17:44:23 2001 )

3. My comment.

"He wants a censorship
I don't force people to read my message, I don't force them to believe, though it was my experience. I put it here to let readers judge it by themselves. I think it's a serious problem which endanger public benifit and U.S. democracy. Why someone is uneasy with it? Here I just got an evidence that what I said is true, and they are scare of it. A real conspiracy. Otherwise why don't treat it as a fiction, and leave it alone."
(kathaksung Thu Mar 15 13:20:21 2001)

4. A ridicule to cover his real purpose.

"Goverment force me
I buy poceline figure. IT has radioactive chip to force me into reading inanity. Khmer may be involve. He say censor 2 time but I say Governemtn install chip at flea market. Also, I buy $3 butterfly knife at flea with radium from innemas.
Please censor only anal probe data from Dark Johnson. If he tell one more time to turn left and cough, I may break some figurine."
(Double J, Thu Mar 15 13:53:40 2001)

Compare "hm" here and "ahem" there.

Or if you want to see why someone is so uneasy with my thread, see "The dark side of USA" in:

http://www.sierratimes.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=2&topic=107

[kathaksung]

11. Helicopter Surveillance.

At that time, every Tuesday I went to Galt flea market. I got up at 4.am. The way I took were highway 680, 580, 205, 120 and 99. Highway 205 is a straight road. You almost can drive with eyes closed . And it used to be 5 am when I was on it. It was still dark and there was rarely other vehicle. To break monotonous I sometimes study the star in the sky. I noticed the brightest star in sky was the one I faced to. I thought it might be Venus.

One day on highway 205, I picked up a broken piece of porcelain, threw it out from my right side window. Since the window was half opened, I stretched out a little bit to the right. Just for seconds, a van caught up and drove parallel with me. The driver watched me for a minute or so, then drop back behind about hundred feet away. Maybe he wanted to see if he knew me, I thought. But when I threw another piece of porcelain out. He caught up with me again. Strange, I decided to have a test. I made a throwing movement, for the third time, the van rushed forward rapidly and driving parallel with me for sometime. Obviously, my action touched off the van's unusually movement. But how could he see me? It was dark and he was always behind me.

Than another Tuesday on highway 205. I still had that puzzle. An article came into my mind. In "Readers' digest", a girl talked about her experience of night flight. She said a friend gave her a night vision goggle, "the whole world became green" and she could see clearly from the sky. I watched the bright star in dark sky, found it was the only star shinning that night. It was a cloudy day, no other star in vision. I was suddenly aware of this was not a star. I stared at it for a long time. Thinking of someone was watching me there with night vision goggle, I smiled. The star suddenly jumping out off my vision. It reacted at my smile. After a while, I stretched forward, throw tinted glass, I could see the star hang there. In a position where they still could see my hands on steer wheel.

When I got to Galt. It was six o'clock. The sky turned into grey white. I looked up, saw a helicopter rising higher and higher, than disappeared in vision. I then knew I was under 24 hours surveillance and they even could see my smile face at night.

[kathaksung]

12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)

When I talked about microwave killing, some readers asked if that is a mind control pulse wave. I went to the web site they gave me. The neuro-electrical magnet wave which imitate brain wave could produce Microwave hearing,forced speech, etc. I don't have that kind of experience, or maybe they have applied it on me but I didn't know. Because it is hard to tell which is natural or caused by remote control frequency weapon. But I do know there is an EM sleep wave which is vastly in use by law enforcement agent.

It was in 1992. One Tuesday morning on my way to galt. On highway 205, a strong sleep desire fell on me. It was a straight hightway, so I tried to drive with eyes closed a little while. But once eye closed, it's hard to open my lids again. I had to fight against drowsness with extraordinary effort. Then I turned on to highway 120. It was a narrow road with only one lane each way. In dim, I suddenly found there was a dark shadow before me. it was a big truck with a trailer. It stopped on road and started to move when I approached. The sudden lit of tail lamp was so bright red, like in my hands' reach. I made an emergency brake. The cargo in my van rushed forward with inertia, bang hit the front window glass . I could hear the crack sound of porcelain. Luckily I didn't hit the trailer. It was only inches away. My body was wet all over by sweat. Strange for me, such a big scare didn't drove sleepy away. I fell into drowse again until there was another emergency brake. I found the truck driving at only 30 miles per hour. Sometime later, when I opened my lid, I found the truck sped away. It's the end of 120 and we would turned into 99, a busy highway where he could not drive at 30 miles any more.

Later when I had the experience of microwave radiation and other related suffering, I gradually realized there was a sleep wave. But at that time, though it was unusual, I only attributed this to sleepy. Who knew there was a mind control EM sleep wave?

13. Microwave ray shooting and EM sleep wave(2)

I was able to be aware of microwave killing due to a newspaper article. It said FBI's lab developed a tech

that they could shoot and penetrate iron plate in distance by microwave ray. By then I knew they could watch people behind wall by Infra-scanner already. And if they shoot microwave ray behind wall, it's really dangerous for innocent people. Unfortunately, this fell on me soon.

One midnight, I awoke with bitter headache. "They are shooting with microwave ray. I must find something to cover me." I alarmed myself. But before I could do something, an irresistible sleepiness overcame me. I fell in sleep again. This scene repeated several times that night. I always fell in sleep after awakening by headache.

Next day, the headache was so severe that a slight movement would cause suffering. It lasted several days. I thought there was an internal haemorrhage or swellen in my head. With great fear, I gathered a lot of metal plates, iron cabinet in my bedroom and slept behind them at night.
Though I was once puzzled how could I go sleep while having heavy headache, I was still didn't aware of there was a sleep wave then.

14. EM sleep wave (3)

I used to sit on a sofa where I could watch TV as well as reading. That day about 5 p.m, when I was reading newspaper, a sudden drowsiness fell on me. It was so strong that I went to my bedroom right away. Once laying on bed, there was no sleepiness at all, not a little bit. That really puzzled me. I went back to sitting room and sitting on sofa, immediately, sleepiness grasped me again. This time I recalled two events happened before. The drowsiness feeling were so similar. They were all deep and irresistable.

I was in panic. What was that? I knew they were using radiactive material and microwave. It seemed that it was a ray with limit field, because my bedroom is just a few feet away and I could not feel it there. I guessed it was a kind of microwave with different frequency and worried it might hurt my brain because it restrained my mind so deeply that I couldn't help to go sleep. On the otherhand, it was a pure feeling of drowsiness, no pain, no dizziness, only extraordinally strong desire to sleep. If I hadn't have above experiences, I would never know its existence. How could you tell it from a nature one.

15. EM sleep wave in China (4)

In 1993, I abandoned my job in flea market. In July 1994, I went to China. I was tired to sleep under the cover of metal plates in U.S. My friends in China stopped communication with me so I knew Chinese police were cooperative with U.S.A.'s, but I thought they would not use high tech. weapon against an innocent man.

I lived in my uncle's home. It was an apartment on third floor (toppest floor) in the building. In August, I heard a noise on roof. People said someone was installing a commercial billboard there. I saw workers erect power transmission lines on roof. A few days later, about 7 o'clock in the morning, I was chatting with relatives when I felt a sudden feeling of sleepiness. I saw my aunt quickly fall in sleep. Other relatives said they were going to bed and back to their bedroom. I was very familiar with this - a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. Later that day I told them about the sleep wave. They didn't believe me. I understood because it was so natural that even I myself would not believe if I hadn't the experience.

This was the only time I felt they use it in China. I think they didn't expect I know sleep wave. When they found I know the secret, they gave it up. The work on roof was postponed. The billboard was never installed. Next year on May, when I left China, the metal shelf installed on August was still there, rusted.
Since then I knew the sleep wave can be a field which influence many people.

16. EM Sleep wave (5)

In 1996, I learned what is sleep wave from a book named 'CIA' (Chinese edition).

It said in July 1987, former Soviet leader Gorbachef flied to Thamalhan, a KGB base, to see an experiment. It was a tiger in the cage. The tiger was irritable. Dr. Chernianko pushed down a button. Within seconds, the furious tiger laid down as gentle as a cat.

Doctor told Gorbachef they successfully handled animal's sentiment by controlling it's brain nerve with remote control electrical wave.

CIA got the information and found Pentagon had first developed such technique. Military Intelligence Chief, general Ackerman was alleged delivering the secret to Soviets. Ackerman was shoot to death several days later. Pentagon announced he died of heart attack.

The wave imitates human's sleep wave in brain. It's so natural that you can't tell if it is artificial. Nine years ago I could tell it because it was a sudden, strong feeling. Now they improved their technique. In same sofa I recently often gradually fell into drowse when I wrote article (for post in internet) in daytime. Only at the movement I would get into sleep, I'd realize same thing happened again and moved away. In other place, I never feel sleepy. I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.

[JoeJoe6182]

Originally posted by Rishaka
I know this is a community forum, but it is an Infogrames Community Forum, so why is this here? kathaksung did you come here for technical support on a game or are you simply looking for a place to post this information?

Rish...I think I know what you mean, but, "This will be an open topic forum test forum ranging from A to Z with very little censored. This means that some of the items in here may tic you off or make you want to bust skulls, but just remember that you have a voice here too. Use it!"

I believe it was a good topic to discuss...could result in some interesting theories/ideas.

My $0.02. :)

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Well, add another nutcase to the list. I have a hard time believing that they would waste time on helicopter surveillance of you, I think you're just overly paranoid. You shouldn't even be posting this here, Echelon might catch it and come home and knock on your door.

Don't let these people out of your country, folks, because we don't want them running around on our side of the pool. We've had enough of them already.

[Lanfir Leah]

Relax, get yourself a joint, and don't freak yourself out, dude.

[DeathWeasel]

Originally posted by Lanfir Leah
Relax, get yourself a joint, and don't freak yourself out, dude.

Sounds like he's had one too many joints...

[Dragon Revisited]

Hmmm, Kat obviously doesn't realize that Infogrames produces the technology being used to watch him, and by posting here he's simply giving them the opportunity to trace his IP address and find out where he is.

Plus Kat, the first time they pulled you over for a minor traffic infraction they dusted your license with a very fine metallic substance which embedded itself in your skin and allows them to track you via satellite wherever you are on the planet. There's no escaping them. And if you wrap yourself in foil all you'll do is cause the material under your skin to start cooking you like barbequed chicken.

There's no escape.

[kathaksung]

Echlon is a routine monitor to cover all the communication of the world. For me, I guess, there is a special team working on me, to make tech. problem and etc.

17. They killed President Kennedy

After I found I became the murder target of law enforcement agency, I visited D.A.'s office, DEA, FBI, Federal attorney's office.... .But they denied any involvement. Some government department suggested me to ask for help from local police department. Local police department said they need solid evidence such as gun, bullet. But how could I hold microwave in the air if they shoot it next door. I could only complain this to people I knew.

I had a customer whom came every half year or so. One Saturday, she came to buy something. I talked about events happened recently and expressed disappointment about system. She didn't say anything and left.

Next day, I was surprised to see her coming again. She didn't buy anything. She simply talked about the murdering issue I told her yesterday and left right away after leaving a word:" So what, they even killed President Kennedy."

I was shocked. Obviously she was coming to deliver the word of scorn and intimidation for FBI. There was no DEA when JFK was assassinated.

18. Portable Microwave shooting instrument

I often went to library. Sometime in 1992, I began to feel dizzy and hot after I was there for half an hour or so.
What I could do was to move away and left. I was very depressed. They even killed President Kennedy, what was I? I knew I could die anytime.

In early 1993, I bought 100,000 life insurance and I put my wife's name in 'grand deed' of the house. To fill the application form, I went to the registration office of supreme court where they offered typewriter for public use. There was almost no people when I got there. I chose the typewriter in the middle position. The old typewriter was hard to handle especially I had many errors to correct. I looked around to see if I could change for a better one. I found both sides were occupied by black girls. Then, I felt dizzy and hot, same feeling I had in library. I looked back. There were several people lined up behind me, waiting for typewriter. The man headed the line had a duffel bag. He put the bag between us with one end towards me and the other end towards him. It's strange to place the bag in that way because it obstructed people walking across. People used to put bags beside them. I knew what happened and hurried finishing the form.

I felt sorry for the two black girls. They were placed in positions to assure no other people being suffered from microwave radiation. I saw them smiled at each other. They might think they worked for law enforcement agency, but they would not know how dangerous the situation they were in.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

You're funny. Do you do birthday partys?

EDIT: I am psychic. Here's the rest of his info:

24. Alleged murder of Ron

Ron was a white man. He was a hardware seller. Like me, he had business both in Berryessa and Galt flea market. His selling space in Galt flea market was several spaces next to me. I was familiar with his face, but rarely talk to him. I even didn't know his name then.

One weekend, in Berryessa, I went to his space to buy a pair of rack. He asked for 16 dollars. I didn't buy because in Galt market, another seller asked for only 12.

On Tuesday I bought the rack from the other seller. When it was time to knock off, Ron drove to my space. He parked his van, looked at me, obviously intended to talk to me. I was
still unhappy with his higher offering, so I went on packing up and left him alone. He stayed for a few minutes. Found I having no intent talk to him, he left.

Weeks later, a seller asked me," Do you know Ron was dead?"
"Which Huang?" I wronged the pronunciation because I thought she talked about a Chinese. "The hardware seller." I knew a Mr. Huang selling hardware but she said it was not him. Next day, she asked me about "Huang" again. I really didn't know. I wondered why she was so interested in that topic.

Next week, when she saw me, she talked about "Huang" again. She said it was a white man, and his name was Ron, not Huang. White man, I immediately remembered the scene before Ron's death. I asked her how did Ron die. He was only about in his 50's. She said Ron collapsed while walking along: a heart attack. I had experience of microwave killing then(the result is like a heart attack). And that Tuesday when Ron parked his van at my space, I had thought : He blocked the view of law enforcement agency's surveillance camera. (I thought law enforcement agent had surveillance camera in opposite space)But this should not be the reason for killing. Maybe his strange activity caused suspicion? He parked his van at my space for a few minutes, than left without a word. Only I knew he was trying to sell me the rack. And this too, should not be a reason to kill. I recognized the ruthless later only later when I had more experience.

Sometime later, there was a hardware store opened at the entrance of Berryessa flea market. It was a very hot spot. People said that it was Ron's widow's. I had a feeling that it was a compensation for Ron's death. From continuing question, they found I didn't know much of Ron. I didn't even know his name before then.

25. Video camera surveillance

In about 1990, there was a TV detective series 'Columbo' in which Peter Folk acted as Lieutenant Columbo who resolved many murder cases. One story was about two College students. They installed video camera and gun inside car's engine room to monitor and shoot through vent of radiator. I had that story in my mind.

Sometime after drug case I noticed the sellers opposite my space put their cargo van headed to me. Both in Berryessa and Galt Flea Market. Watching the black vent hole, I remembered the 'Columbo' TV. If there was no gun, there was a surveillance camera at least, I thought. To avoid being oversensitive, I walked all over the two markets to see how sellers parking their cars. People used to park their car inside space, parallel to the pathway so they could use front space to do business. No, no people parked cars like my opposite sellers'. It occupied useful front business space. It blocked coming customers' view sights too. That's why when Ron parked his van at my space, I thought it blocked the surveillance camera.

26. Alleged murder of Mrs. Churchill

Mrs. Churchill was a seller in Roseville Flea Market (near Sacramento). She bought porcelain figuring from me in Galt wholesale market. She was about in her 50's when she was dead.

One day in 1993, she asked me if I would sell all of a figuring item to her friend. The item she talked about was in hot sale. And her friend, I thought, was an undercover agent. The man was a porcelain figuring seller whose space was near entrance and was not far away from me. At first I had worried about he might be a competitor. I relaxed later when I found he had little business because his price was much higher than me. He used to sit there leisurely watching people. He sometimes even left his business alone, walked around chatting with other sellers.
I was once puzzled how he could make living on it, then with experience I was aware of that he might be an undercover agent from his business location and business attitude. (Agent likes to be at entrance so they can monitor all people)
So when Mrs. Churchill talked about the deal, I was certain he was an agent.
After the drug case, I noticed my customers were intimidated. They reduced purchase from me, someone stopped buying from me. Hot item would draw new buyers as well as old ones. That would have increased law enforcement agent's work of investigation. Buy all was the best way to avoid excess work. From my side, I didn't care. Business was business. You had it if you paid for it.

That night when I had supper, I told my wife:" An undercover agent bought a figuring item all."

Next Tuesday, I delivered the merchandise to the man. Then, Mrs. Churchill came.
When she asked me to give her a chair for sitting, I noticed she was very sick. I had
a puzzle that day "Why did she come when she was so sick."

Another week passed when a lady told me Mrs. Churchill was dead. Apparently my word touched off the killing. They thought Mrs. Churchill let out the agent's identity. The agents didn't play their role well, they never examine themselves, but owe their failure to other people. I recognized them through my own observation. What I knew(or maybe I should say: I thought) then in Galt flea market, there were seven sellers who were undercover agents. As a matter of fact, there were much more. After I returned from China, a seller told me that there were suddenly a lot of space vacancies in Galt flea market. It was very unusual because it was October, the best month for Christmas merchandise wholesale. (Tuesday Galt flea market is a wholesale market) It must be the result of withdrawal of undercover agent. They didn't care of business at all. And empty spaces were more than forty. I was surprised to learn there were so many secret agents involved.

It's a pity that Mrs. Churchill did nothing wrong, but being killed just out of suspicion. And most ridiculous thing was she was killed by those whom she thought working for. The lady who informed me the death of Mrs. Churchill talked about the death time and again. Just like what they did when Ron was dead to detect if I had any particular relationship with Ron or Mrs. Churchill. I could only say, "I'm sorry to hear that. I lost a good customer". Or do they expect me to say, "Oh, yes,through her death I now have no doubt they murdered Ron too. They don't need any evidence, suspicion is enough." or "Through her death, I realize that 'Miranda law', 'due process' ,'democracy' are just false cover. The real USA is a mafia country full of extortion, private punishment, torture, and murder."

---

I'll try to find some of your other parts as well, kat. I think you left out a few parts in your posts here.

[Lewkowski]

That was quite funny...

Only one problem...

MICROWAVE KILLING??

Why go thrugh the trouble put on a mask go into your hourse and put a bullet through your brain. Oh yea dirty up the place too... I'm sure the FBI uses hundreds of thousands of dollars just to trace you, spy on you, and try to kill you....

Oh well just another reason to make all drugs legal ;).

[kathaksung]

Well, you didn't use the right serial number. Whatever the trick you played, I'll keep telling my story. People have the right to know the truth.

22. Fluorescent lamp killing (1)

In about 1992, Flea market administration installed fluorescent lamp in our container storage room. After I had experience of microwave radiation I thought there might be something in fluorescent lamp and tried not being there alone.

In 1993, one early morning, with no customer coming yet, when I was preparing to set up booth, I felt a strike. A cold feeling went through all over my body, I could not breath and my heart seemed stop beating. After a while, I recovered and saw my helper, a teenage boy, huddling to himself, holding his head with arms. He was so painful that he could not answer my question. What in my mind was they almost killed a boy. At the same time, my neighboring sellers yelled, 'no light, black out." Obviously, a device in fluorescent lamp caused a radiation which drew large amount of current, touched off the fuse box and cut off the power supply.

I think the device developed a high voltage which forcing the ionized gas particle shoot out like a radiation. Which hurts human's brain, make it lose control of organs such like breath and heart beats. Later, I met such fluorescent lamp murder attempt several times.

23. Fluorescent lamp killing (2)

In 1999, I was forced to go abroad. In Bandon, Indonesia, I lived in Hotel Puduraya. It was a low price hotel where people shared bathrooms. I found the bathroom near my room was locked for more than one hour. When it opened, I noticed it lit with fluorescent lamp. And it was the only room lit with fluorescent lamp in hotel. As I always kept alert on that kind of lamp, I used the bathroom in other side.

Next day, someone cut water supply to all three bathrooms on the other side. Leaving no choice for me. I tried hard all over the hotel, and luckily found one in storage area. It was a dirty one with wet floor and broken door. But for me the most important thing was it lit with a bulb. When the undercover police who watched the bathroom ( I thought he was also the man control the killing device.) saw me back finished bath . He angrily stood up, ran to storage area checking the bathroom they missed.

Such conditions happened several times in Indonesia. The police there learned the technique from their U.S. partner.

24. Fluorescent lamp killing (3)

In April, 2000, I went to Viet-Nam. An article in newspaper aroused my attention. It said there would be a solar storm in following days and that ionized gas particle hit the earth would cause stroke of neurasthenic people. Since fluorescent lamp was lit by ionized gas and my complain about isotope money, microwave killing was regarded by someone as X-files. Besides, it's typical law enforcement agents' way to pre-propagate a natural decease to cover their attempt murder. I thought there would be another fluorescent lamp murder attempt.

When the bus took me to the hotel in next city, Hoi An,(In Vietnam, foreigners have to take charted bus line and been sent direct to hotel) the staff showed me a room in a closed area. I noticed the bulb light didn't work. (In Vietnam, hotels for foreigners meet certain standard,they used to equipped with both bulb light and fluorescent lamp.) The staff said I had to pay more for another room. I paid more.

Then I went Ya Trang. Same thing happened with a room in closed area and broken bulb light waiting for me. The staff said there was no other room. I went out, found another hotel easily with right equipment.

The following city was Dalat. There I was refused by five hotels before found one. This time there were plenty of rooms and all rooms equipped only with fluorescent lamp. For the third time, I was led to a room in a closed area. Since there was no choice, I insisted to get a room along the crowded street. I opened the window when I used lamp so light could reach people on street. Next day, hotel manager told me to move out. The reason he used was the hotel was booked in advance. I pointed out that he was lying because the staff of hotel offered a discount rate if I could stay longer just the day before. He turned out a police face and said, 'You have no option.'

I knew what would wait for me and left for Ho-nai to complain all this. To my surprise, the officer there told me to go to China even though he knew I was a US citizen. And he, too, said there was no option.

[lizardking5000]

You are insane. Do you wear a tinfoil hat¿ Do you see spots¿ Does Elvis talk to you¿

The government doesn't do things like this, despite the fact that Hollywood would really like us to believe they do. If they want you dead, or scared, they'll send a guy to your house. If they just want you scared, they'll send him with a gun. If they want you dead, they'll send him with a van full of equipment. You are taking a series of coincidences way too far, my paranoid little friend. There is no conspiracy. The government doesn't want you. As far as they are concerned, you are a Driver's Liscence and a taxpayer, as well as a vote come election time. You are nothing to them, and they are not watching you.

[Dragon Revisited]

Of course, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus, I'd still have to bum rides off people.

"The Walrus was Paul."
Glass Onion - White Album

"Paul is dead man, miss him, miss him."
backmasked jibberish between "I'm so Tired" and "Blackbird" -- White Album

;)

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Well, the lamp killing wasn't really that interesting. I read it and decided it was quite dull, so I jumped to section 25 directly, without passing Go and cashing in 400 dollars...

[lizardking5000]

It's a quote, dude. Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by lizardking5000
The government doesn't do things like this, If they want you dead, or scared, they'll send a guy to your house. If they just want you scared, they'll send him with a gun. If they want you dead, they'll send him with a van full of equipment. You are taking a series of coincidences way too far. There is no conspiracy. The government doesn't want you. As far as they are concerned, you are a Driver's Liscence and a taxpayer, as well as a vote come election time. You are nothing to them, and they are not watching you.

How do you know? It seems that you know how government operates, or just learn it from movies? These are all based on my experience. They are facts. I can't make it up. And if they are fiction, people leave it alone. If government are serious, even activate large resource to harass, then it's not fiction, it's truth. Since I put it in internet, there were so many harassment: sick ridicules, threatens; tech. problems; censorship.... Here is an example:

Side effect of Hanssen's espionage case

I had a thread in 'Russia.com'. The topic criticizes Federal law enforcement agency.(same I posted here) I found it was closed for post on Mar. 20. I asked why. Moderator said he did not know, and hinted the problem was in U.S.A.. Later administrator said it was partial right, there was a 'break' from US political issues. Apparently, the pressure came from top class. On March 22, news paper said US expeled 50 Russians. It seems that my event is part of government operation. I put the dialogue here. Please notice that the time was a little earlier than the expulsion of Russians.

I asked:
"Why close my post?
My thread "How U.S. law enforcement agent murder people" on March. 18. was closed for post. You can go there to see why they close it. Just because what I said are true, they are scare of it. If you like to see more complete story, see 'My American nightmare'in:
' <http://www.delphi.com/police915> '
20th March 2001 09:55 IP:"

Answer:
benCA Moderator
" I don't know why it was closed but i guess its because it was about some country but russia. don't forget where you are
20th March 2001 10:22"

admin Administrator
" That is partially right, Ben. Russia.com is taking a "break" from US political issues. At this time, it is too hot of a topic for rational discussion. __________________ admin
20th March 2001 19:49 "

Do you think they handle it as a fiction?

[kathaksung]

25. Neighbor seller and gun

After drug case and having many harassment experiences, I began to follow the news about law enforcement agency and drug case. I found there were a lot of police brutalities.
Some police shot people, then planted a gun as reason for shooting. I immediately thought of my neighbor - Mr. ****. Mr. Wan sold toys. Sometime he started to sell guns. California is a state with strict gun laws. People have seven days waiting period to buy a gun. The gun Mr. **** sold is air rifle. It was, too, under gun control law. I
remember the Flea Market authority has come to his space, ordering him to pack up the gun or to be kicked off market. **** packed up gun that day. To my surprise, next week
he went on selling his air rifles. Nobody came to make trouble for him ever since. He put the gun box along the line separate our spaces.

Then I was horrible to find that my neighbor seller in Galt flea market selling same guns. She, too, put the gun box along the line which separated our spaces .

Mr. **** boasted how nice his gun was. Showed me the rifle line in bore. I was not interested. One evening when I finished business, I was ready leaving. But my van did not move so I got off to check. I found there was a big block underneath the front wheel. It was a box with a brand new air pistol inside. I returned it to Mr. **** next day. He was not happy as I had expected. Simply with a 'Thank you', he turned away to do other things. I felt there was a disappointment in his sentiment. It was not a plant but a trap. I knew if they found any accusation, despite true or false, they won't let me alive.

I quit the business at the end of 1993. Then went to China. In 1995, I came back. When I went to flea market, I thought:'Now they have no reason selling gun.' I went to Mr.
****'s space. No, there was no gun. He didn't sell it any more.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Echlon is a routine monitor to cover all the communication of the world. For me, I guess, there is a special team working on me, to make tech. problem and etc.

17. They killed President Kennedy

After I found I became the murder target of law enforcement agency, I visited D.A.'s office, DEA, FBI, Federal attorney's office.... .But they denied any involvement. Some government department suggested me to ask for help from local police department. Local police department said they need solid evidence such as gun, bullet. But how could I hold microwave in the air if they shoot it next door. I could only complain this to people I knew.

I had a customer whom came every half year or so. One Saturday, she came to buy something. I talked about events happened recently and expressed disappointment about system. She didn't say anything and left.

Next day, I was surprised to see her coming again. She didn't buy anything. She simply talked about the murdering issue I told her yesterday and left right away after leaving a word:" So what, they even killed President Kennedy."

I was shocked. Obviously she was coming to deliver the word of scorn and intimidation for FBI. There was no DEA when JFK was assassinated.

I could argue with you about this for days on end, since I did my exam paper on the JFK assassination. But I won't. I just think that you are a very funny little man.

[Dragon Revisited]

So Kat,
Have you ever taken into account the fact that you seem to surround yourself with friends, neighbors and so forth who are involved in illegal activities? I think someone is pulling the wool over your eyes, and it's not the government.

I have to echo something said earlier. Why would the government spend so much time and effort to harrass one person when they can just show up at your house in the night and plug you with a single inexpensive slug in the forehead?

If you really want to know what's going on and what the purpose behind everything is ... you need to rent The Matrix. ;)

Then come back and give us your slant on what's going on. :D

[Croi Makin]

"The Walrus was Paul."
Glass Onion - White Album
John Lennon, Beatles Anthology - "['Glass Onion'] That's me, just doing a throwaway song a la 'Walrus', a la everything I've ever written. I threw the line in - 'The Walrus was Paul' - just to confuse everybody a bit more. It could have been: 'The fox terrier is Paul'. I mean, it's just a bit of poetry. I was having a laugh because there'd been so much gobbledegook about Pepper - play it backwards and you stand on your head and all that. At that time I was still in my love cloud with Yoko. I thought, 'Well, I'll just say something nice to Paul, that it's all right and you did a good job over these few years, holding us together.' He was trying to organize the group and all that, so I wanted to say something to him. I thought, 'Well, he can have it, I've got Yoko. And thank you, you can have the credit.' The line was put in partly because I was feeling guilty because I was with Yoko and I was leaving Paul. It's a very perverse was of saying to Paul: 'Here, have this crumb, this illusion, this stroke - because I'm leaving.'"

:p

Croi

[kathaksung]

Question and answeer

Yes, it's cheap to assassin. But it will cause investigation of local police. That will be big trouble. Because many people know my story. It's easy to kill without trace by high tech. weapon. If they shoot with microwave ray next door at somebody. Nobody would have thought of their dizziness, headache was caused by microwave shooting until death.

2. Quote,"You claim that the government has been attempting to kill you through strange (and rather unrealistic) means for very many years. You claim that this is because in a seeming democracy they cannot use more direct methods. On the other hand, you claim that a fairly long list of people have been killed outright by those same government agents, simply for being friendly to you or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it was so easy to kill those people, you should now be dead."

I am lucky enough survived. Rarely people can do that. That's the point I put at the very beginning. High tech. weapon kill without trace, and black-box practice of law enforcement agent endanger US democracy. Little people know these advanced murder weapon. Little people can do same thing like I do. I sleep behind metal plate. Moving when I feel headache. Avoid driving individully in car. Even when I was forced to travel in south-east Asia, I brought with me a lead protect apron( the one therapist wear in X-ray Lab) and a big fry pan. (not for cooking, but for protect from microwave radiation.) And those dead people, no one would have dreamed of being killed by those they thought coperated with. (If you read carefully my posting) And the reason is only suspicious or simply: knowing the truth. Consider President Kennedy and his family member's suspicious death. And how many people involve in the case died mysteriously. And now since I expose my experience in internet, they are trying to frame a big case against me and those who know my story.

3. Quote,"(I note that you have now included Indonesia, Viet-Nam, and China in the group that is participating in harrassing you. This means that two nations that are the most aggressively hostile to the U.S. are joining with the U.S. to persecute you. I find that logically inconsistent.)"

This is same question once puzzled me for sometime. I got the reply when I read such a news.

1. Several years ago, Mr. Kim dai cheong( Now South Korea Premier) was in election campaign. South Korea State intellegence Bureau decided do something against him because they once had tried to assasinate him. (The plot stopped by CIA) They paid several million dollars to the State Security bureau of North Korea. Then North Korea told media that they had supported Kim Dai Cheong financially to defame him. At that time, everyone knows that North, South Korea were two hostile states, much more hostile than US and China or Viet-nam now. Yet secret police had their own deal.

2. Another exemple is: Years ago Taiwan purchased military vessels and fighters from France. Now the new elected government investigating bribe scandal in that purchase. They found a large amount of commission was to Beijing for exchange of no opposition. Everyone knows China and Taiwan's relationship, yet secret police had their own operation rule. As a matter of fact, the more hostile in outwards, more secret deal inside. Cross murder deal, money for arrest deal.... and a frame case would become believable under such coverage.

[Dragon Revisited]

This has been fun, but your internet presence isn't consistant with the degree of conspiracy paranoia you're documenting. I mean really, anyone who believes all that has got to know that the easiest and hardest to trace method of getting rid of you is through covert audio and video signals sent through your internet connection to cause brain damage, memory loss, and severe suicidal depression. ;)
http://www.thoughtdairy.com/mcnarn/eyeflash.gif
Stare at this for about an hour and you should be immune to such cyber-attacks. :D

[Dreadnaught]

kathaksung- to quote my friend (who got it from somwhere else, I believe), "you're crazy! You're probably running around in your grandma's underpants covered in peanutbutter!"

I think you have some serious mental problems or are simply posting this crap to see what we say. You say you can't make this stuff up, BS! Of course you can, it's easy as hell. You're doing it right now.

If you are somewhat honest:

You fall asleep while driving, get sudden chest pains, have trouble breathing. All signs point to a stroke or something. See a freaking doctor!!

[Nogling]

*chuckles*

G'night, Kat. We'll see you in the morning, eh?

Oh! And don't forget to turn off your furnace - Jack's such a practical joker, he rigged it to blow around 7 AM, your time. I really hope you don't smoke...

(Well, DRev, I guess the gig is up...*sigh*...I really did like tormenting the little guy...)

[Dragon Revisited]

Noggy, you forgot to tell him not to use an electric blanket. They give off concentrated electromagnetic energy which will make him sterile and eventually paralyze him so the Men in Black (no intentional reference to your father's employers ;)) can show up in the night and do experiments on him.

[Nogling]

*slaps forehead*

Doh!

Sheesh. I need more coffee before I harrass the totally innocent...

[thirtysomething gamer]

Too bad you are ALL secret Government agents. I am on to you!!!

[kathaksung]

26. A trap to hurt

One Tuesday in 1993, a customer in Galt Market ordered 100 pieces of a figuring item. He used to charge a high profit margin in his retail business, so his sales was slower than others. In his purchasing order, it used to be one or two pieces for each item, six utmost. One hundred pieces was quite unusual. Anyway, it was a big order, I was happy.
On Monday, I went to the storage to pick up his pocerlain order. The storage area was calm. Usually when I went there, two men would come, too, to the right hand room next to me. They left when I left. This day, they didn't show. Instead, a black man came to the left hand room which used to be locked. He quickly opened the door, went in, then rushed out to his car and speeded away. What impressed me was his panic stricken face. It looked like there was a monster inside the room. The scene of two black girls in Supreme Court flashed into my mind. Black people were used to do the most dangerous mission. I realized there was a trap set inside. The big order was designed to lure me in. I left the storage house right away.

Next day, when I told my customer I didn't bring his ordered pocerlain figuring to him, he was unhappy. He kept complain until I couldn't help to tell him the whole story. I told him I thought there might be a strong radiactive field waiting for me in storage room and my life was threatened. He was shocked apparently. Then said he was sorry to hear that and didn't expect there was such a development.

Next Tuesday, when I met him again, he talked about this again. He said law enforcement agent might use something to trace and it would not harm health and people even could eat it as a tracer in medical study. Obviously this was what law enforcement agent told him to cover their plot. And this was the first time I learnt the English word 'tracer'.

I had several such events that year, and it at last led me quit the Flea market career. How could I do business while I could not enter my own wharehouse

[UsAaR33]

Originally posted by kathaksung
On June. 1991, Mrs. Chen was arrested for drug smuggling. The newspaper titled: " Heroin bust called U.S. record".(See San Jose Mercury, 6-22-1991). There was a lot of harassment since then. I was followed, bugged, business turned downward, etc..


You cited the wrong date!

from http://nl13.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=51


Article 74 of 122, Article ID: 9102130885

Published on June 21, 1991, San Jose Mercury News (CA)
HEROIN BUST CALLED U.S. RECORD 1,285 POUNDS SEIZED IN HAYWARD

U.S. Customs officials and Drug Enforcement Administration officers Thursday made what they called the largest seizure of heroin in U.S. history at a Hayward warehouse.Customs spokesman Mike Fleming said four people had been taken into custody. He declined to give any further details of the seizure.But KCBS radio reported that 1,285 pounds of "China white" heroin had been seized and said the drugs would be worth as much as $1.5 billion on the street. In the largest previous bust, federal offici


a day off....

Although the rest of your newspaper and highway information (in Bay Area holds up).

BTW, sure you aren't insane? You drove 2 HOURS from the Central Valley to San Jose every day! That would cause me to loose sanity....
I'm not sure about '91, but right now 680 has the highest traffic density in the Bay Area...
Make that 3 hours :P

[kathaksung]

Thanks for information. I have only a copy of the 'Heroin bust' article. I have no whole page of it so I didn't know the exact date, only made a guess. A day off is not too bad. I went to the web site you gave and found on June 22, there were a lot of articles about that 'Heroin bust' case, so reader wouldn't be misled. They could get the right information.

I don't know how you have the idea "You drove 2 HOURS from the Central Valley to San Jose every day". I have several times talked about I live in San Jose, and went to Galt every Tuesday that time. Please read it again carefully or otherwise it's only proved you are insane.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

There's one thing I have missed. Why are you doing this? We don't give a **** about your story, we don't believe it, we don't know you and we don't care about you. You could die and we would never know. So what is your point in doing this?

[kathaksung]

Your question is just as stupid as "Why you put so many books in book store (or library)? I am not interested in that. I won't gave a .....".

I don't force people to believe. If you don't like it, leave it alone. The strange thing is, though you claim it worth nothing, you came everytime I posted a message and put defame comment. Why you waste so much time on something You don't like? Just like someone who always go to the same donut shop while complaining all the time for its bad taste.

[Zman]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Your question is just as stupid as "Why you put so many books in book store (or library)? I am not interested in that. I won't gave a .....".

I don't force people to believe. If you don't like it, leave it alone. The strange thing is, though you claim it worth nothing, you came everytime I posted a message and put defame comment. Why you waste so much time on something You don't like? Just like someone who always go to the same donut shop while complaining all the time for its bad taste.

Now you sound like the CIA..."Need to know basis, you don't need to know so if yu find out you die and no one knows but us..." :D Geeze lay of the suspense factor and mystery! :)

[kathaksung]

27. Quit the job

When I first found them surveying me by helicopter and infra-scanner, I laughed at them. I was happy on my discovery. I believed at last, after such a thorough investigation, they would know I was an innocent man.

Then, after the isotope money hurt my health and I complained. I had more new discovery. But I was unable to laugh anymore, I was horrible to find that I became a murder target. Government office would not help. I visited some legal service organization. When they heard the word of 'DEA' and 'FBI', they turned their face away. Business turned down, I even dared not go into my own warehouse. In October 1993, news paper said Mrs. Chen's drug case would be sentenced late that month. Watching the rifle gun laid byside my space, I had a feeling there would be a violent end for me. They wouldn't let me alive because I knew too much of their criminal activities. In middle October, I quit the flea market. And I was surprised to see that court postponed the sentence of Mrs. Chen's case, too, until I left for China.

My tenant introduced me to work as a tempary driver in his company. It's a software company. In early 1994, company staff said there was a job openning. I took the offer. The job was to copy and file software document. That day I started my work in copy machine room. There was a new copy machine sent in that morning. The copy machine company sent it in for demonstration. I worked alone in that room. Sometime later I felt a strong dizziness and warm feeling. I hurried out to file the documents in other room. Soon, I heard a staff yelled, 'Malfunction'. He tried to use new machine but found it didn't work. I quit the new job that same day. Worked only 4 hours. I have not applied for a job since. I don't want to quit after just working several hours. It's no good to me as well as to employers.

[Dreadnaught]

Wait a second...are you just some over-patriotic Chinese guy trying to rally anger towards the US in wierd, online ways? I think you're country has a far worse reputaition for tracking and killing people than the US.

[Dragon Revisited]

I manufacture special "bead curtains" which deflect microwave radiation and block infrared sensing equipment. I can't market them openly because I don't want the government to know about them, but if you want any let me know, they run $25 (U.S.) per square foot.

[Artur]

As an actual Secret Government Agent (SGA), I just want you to know that I will be visiting you very soon. Very soon.

[UsAaR33]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Thanks for information. I have only a copy of
I don't know how you have the idea "You drove 2 HOURS from the Central Valley to San Jose every day". I have several times talked about I live in San Jose, and went to Galt every Tuesday that time. Please read it again carefully or otherwise it's only proved you are insane.

No it only shows that I don't read carefully and am somewhat lazy :P

I do not actually disbelieve your story. There are many real facts in it, but nonetheless, you do lack solid proof this has occured.

[Parmenio]

I have to tell you that this is the strangest thing I have seen on this cite.

I don't know what to believe. Is this guy a nut, a chinese nationalist, or just a practical joker? I know someone that is clinically schyso, and they think this same stuff. There are radio waves in my head and they develope these elaborate means to "catch" the person doing it.

Maybe it is some propaganda by the Chinese government to expose the evils that are the US government. I think its a joke though.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

I did a search on his name and found that he's posted this exact same stuff on tons of message boards. He's not a joker (he takes it very seriously) but he is indeed a certifiable nut. But an amusing one.

And yes, it would seem he is from asian country.

I can see you...

[kathaksung]

I'm ethnical Chinese. I immigrate to US in 1982.

28. My wife intimidated

When my wife first heard my words that I was under surveillance of law enforcement agent, she laughed at me:" If little figure like you are the target of surveillance, then those agents have too much work to do."

One night, when I went out, I found a neighborhood house installed a motion detector lamp which reacted to my movement. It was about 70 feet away, so was not very bright, but it lit up my whole parking space. I told my wife. She was suspicious on this information and took a test. She walked out, the lamp lit up. After she came in, I tested with my hand and found it was so sensitive that it worked even with a palm's movement. My wife and I in turn tested the lamp by stretching out our hands from house. Like children playing game. Several times later, the lamp was off. Agent who monitored us found we were testing their lamp, switched it off. My wife kept in silence with a straight face. She didn't say anything but I could feel she was shocked.

Sometime after drug case happened, a tenent moved in my next door neighborhood. My window was towards to the lane. At night I always heard his automobile drove in to the garage. I noticed the time he came was about 11 o'clock. I thought if he was the one who monitored me at night, then he should work no more than eight hours. Next morning I got up early to watch. Really he left at seven o'clock. For days he worked on that schedule. I told my wife the new discovery. "He works night shift."

Then I could not hear the sound of his car anymore. I found he started parking his car on street. Sometimes he was picked up by another driver. Time schedule was still the same. They eavesdroped my talking and changed their way. Such events happened several times. I, too, change my way. I wrote down on paper the new discovery.

At first my wife read my new discovery with smile. Sometime later, she refused to read my notes anymore. She pushed my paper away with scary, "I don't want to read it". I was puzzled by her change. After several refusal, I realized she was intimidated. Agents apparrantly had interviewed her and asked what I had written on paper. I had a feeling that I lived in a 'spy' country. They vastly use informants to cross monitor each other. I could even not trust my wife.

[Dragon Revisited]

Paranoia has a new poster child. :)

If I lived next door to you I'd put in a motion sensor too. All those drug-traffic yahoos you hang around with.

[Dreadnaught]

http://www.google.com/search?q=kathaksung

Wow! What an efficient little nut/anti-USA propagandist!! I'm leaning towards propagandist now but still not sure.

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned your wife...or did you just make her up?

Well, if you can make her up then I can have an affair with her. You don't think so?

BAM!

I just did! I even have the video we made!

I'm sorry, it's not nice to toy with him like that, is it?
:o

[Mercury Sedai]

The dark side of the USA???

No offense but was there ever a bright side?

[kathaksung]

The bright side is that there is still bill of rights which protect the Constitutional right of people. And that is left by founding father of USA hundred years ago.

[kathaksung]

29. "I am you, American."

In late 1993 and 1994, I worked as a driver for a software company. Their customers were mainly from China. One day, I picked up a customer from airport and accompanied him to the hotel. We talked about US and I told him my bitter experience. And how they delivered the word that they killed President Kennedy. He was a little nervous and said, "Please don't talk about that issue."

Next day, when I met him again, he asked me "Did you read the newspaper? The executive of Disneyland died of a helicopter accident". I was surprised that he paid attention to the forbidden issue and thought it might be another intimidation from Federal law enforcement agent. China opened to the world just for a short time then. Customers from China were interested in travelling and shopping for merchandise which was in shortage in their country. I never saw them reading newspaper. And the dead executive of Disneyland was competing fiercely with another one for the post of Chief executive then.

About that time, I had read an article from newspaper talked about Walt Disney. What impressed me was that he was an informant of FBI. He hated Union. He was evaluated as a good informant because he entertained FBI agents and their family free to Disneyland. Through him FBI could handle a large number of his employees. It was an important post. So when the helicopter accident happened, I felt that might be a work of FBI. They sent a candidate of their own to that VIP post through a violent plot.

Through my own experience, I feel US has became a 'spy country'. I started to view things from another angle. When Leuwinsky scandle happened and Linda Trip said in her speech,"I am you, American." I couldn't help to laugh. She thought many people were the same as her. She may be right. In this country, informant are vastly used by Federal law enforcement agency.

[Dreadnaught]

Aren't you surprised that after all this insane posting around the world about the US that you haven't been successfully killed?

Oh right, I forgot you were a nutbag. :)

[Jimmy_The_Hand]

Kath, don't you think that if they wanted you dead that badly they would poison you or something? You say they won't kill you because it would draw suspicion, but they could make you're death look like an accident far easier than using technology that you have proven to be rather ineffective....

BTW, Everybody knows that the FBI is out to help people, and they would never do this kind of thing. Kath, that isotope money is harmless, I know that even if you lick the stuff it won't harm you.

Just give up Kath, nobody is out to get you.

[Dreadnaught]

Heh. :)

I'm leaning towards the position that he's an anti-American in China spending all this time spewing this crap.

[Gatekeeper]

I wear aluminum foil all the time... Not because of the Government but because of aliens.. those buggers keep wanting to anally probe me and since I escaped the first time they keep coming... I've gone to wearing a foil suit and a pyramid on my head so they can't control my mind... I think I'm safe for now until they figure out a way to penetrate the garlic I have around my windows....

[kathaksung]

Some people repeated that if they want to kill me, I should have been dead alread. I answered that question on Aug.3. Please review that message.

I don't force you to believe, though it's my experience. Someone's suggestion may explain something, it posted in 'NYtimes.com'.

Quote,"coyote954 </webin/WebX?14@50.cu6ZaO52rIK^4716938@.f05b840/10028> of 9313)

Kathaksung,
I have an idea for you. Have you ever heard of a guy named Dick Marcinko? Well, he was a Navy SEAL, ....One day, he wrote a book about his experiences in the Navy SEALs, ....
The problem is, he told a lot of Navy secrets. They harassed him, ...-- but, he could write whatever he wanted as long as it was fiction!
So now he writes books about the Navy, and the SEALs, .....except that now he just says it is all fiction. .....
So... I tell you, your experience with these government operatives would be a great story, and if you just pretend that it is "fiction" everyone will know better and the gov't can't do anything to you. .....And, hey, as the guy that gave you the idea, I want 5%. "


kathaksung </webin/WebX?14@50.cu6ZaO52rIK^4715788@.f05b840/10038> of 9312)

coyote954,
Thanks for your suggestion. I have never sworn to FBI or DEA to keep their secret, so I have no obligation. What I put here are my personal experience, they are facts not fiction. If they want to send me to the court, I'd like to. What I need is not money, I need justice. Sorry you can't get your 5% but thanks anyway for your suggestion.
Kat Hak Sung

[kathaksung]

30. Extortion

Former FBI director Hoover held large quantity of black material of Presidents and Senators. With these material he blackmailed the politicians. That's why he could stay at that post as long as he wished.

In leuwinsky scandal, Linda Trip provided Starr's office with 20 hours secretly taped phone conversation in which Leuwinsky talked about her affairs with Clinton. She also instructed Leuwinsky kept the jacket which contaminated Clinton's sperm. Trip didn't get any advantage from it. From my point of view, it was obviously much more a purposed intelligent practice than the relationship of friends. An insistent eavesdropping and evidence searching. Mr. Hoover used to use this kind of material to extort.

In 2000, Mr.Ashcroft competed for US Senator of Missoure. The death of his rival former Governor Carnahan in an airplane crash reminded me of the accidental death of a Disneyland executive several years ago. Anyhow, voters chose the widow of his rival rather then him. I said to myself, 'it may be an coincidence, don't be oversensitive.' Then he was nominated as General Attorney of Justice. This is a post supervising Fedral law enforcement agency, a VIP post . I then thought in different way. It seemed like if they could not have someone being a senator , they would sent him to a post which supervising them. Newspaper said Ashcroft is an extreme rightist. His nomination was protested by many civil right organizations. Democratic Party said they would stop him by filibuster. But I knew from beginning, if the nomination was decided by President and senators, then however absurd it was, FBI could get it through.

I started to post in internet in Sept. 2000. I suffered my first 'close for post' on the day Mr. Ashcroft passed his nomination. Here is a comment I posted in 'Washingtonpost.com':

"From: KATHAKSUNG Feb-6 2:07 pm To: Kayaker (KSWENSON3) unread 1572 of 1721 1588.1572 in reply to 1588.3 T

The mainstream America will be censorship on internet?
I have a thread:" Law enforcement, a threaten to U.S. democracy" in several forums. My discussion generally went OK, though be harassed sometimes. On Jan. 31, there was a big wave of attack at my sites: failing to post in 'Csmonitor'; topic being blocked away from readers in many forums; "Foxnews" was closed until today. In 'Independent argument', I was personally closed for posting. In an inquiry e-mail I asked " Is this a kind of censorship?" Their reply:"Yes,that is correct. Independent editors reserve the right....". It is not a coincedence. Ashcroft was admitted by senator committe that day with votes 10:8. as Federal Atterny General and 58:42 next day in senators. It is an outstanding signal that law enforcement agent can abuse their power to censor midea, frame innocent people."

I thought the success of nomination inspired them to abuse their power in internet.

[Dreadnaught]

Ashcroft's rival (if he had one, I don't remember if he ran last year) did not compete for governor. He was running for Senate and an incumbant. He died in a tragic accident before he could be taken off the balots. He won and his wife took his place. Why the **** would the government kill someone for their purposes if it was too late to take them off the balots?

You don't have to be in elected office to be Attorney General. You just have to be nominated by the President and approved by the Senate. The same goes for lots of other positions.

What's next? Colin Powel is actually white, secretly trying to defame Al Sharpton under the guise of a black polititian?

Of course independent editors have the right to close anything, it's their site. If they think you're scaring off legitimate discussions on a serious news forum with your crazyness, they'll close. They weren't under pressure, they didn't want you.

I'm sure you're have a big laugh about all that's happening in the US now, you nut.

If you have the slightest clue what you're talking about, respond.

[Elanya Rodillia]

I must say I find this all very amusing. This guy is so paranoid he apparently thinks that the FBI instantly knows whenever anyone reads something he's written, then immediately sends agents to intimedate them. I can't say I can see how this would do the FBI any good, since it would tend to confirm the drivel Kat's been spouting all over the net, however ridiculous it is. :rolleyes:

[Dragon Revisited]

I find Kat's paranoia to be entertaining and interesting, but too inconsistant to make me believe he really believes it.

If any of this were true, WTC wouldn't have happened, because we would have known through these incredibly advanced techniques what was being said, who was saying it, and been able to pick these people up at the airport before they even got on the plane.

Of course the true paranoids would say we let it happen so we'd have an excuse to take aggressive action at various points around the world under the blanket of "fighting terrorism." I hope that's not true, but the act is done and its consequences are moving forward.

I say the first thing we do, before taking out either the Taliban or Bin Laden, is take an aggressive military action against Kat. :up:

[One_Bad_Aiel]

I second that motion.

And while we're at it, I say we invade France as well!

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by One_Bad_Aiel
...while we're at it, I say we invade France as well!

I vote for Germany first. They're the ones saying we should take a "cautious, measured response." I agree, but the measured response should be the overthrow of Germany and the elimination of its native language. It sounds too much like Klingon. A language like that is bound to produce a warmongering society.

After that we take France, and ship all the women to camps where they are forced to shave their arm-pits. ;)

[Nogling]

I'll have you know, DRev, that German can be an extremely sexy language. They girl across the hall has a phrase (something about "for you, my great stallion, free...") that makes you want to just melt.

But I agree, Germany first, then France. And after that, I suggest to take over the Netherlands just so we'll have an excuse to slap Kura. ;)

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Nogling
But I agree, Germany first, then France. And after that, I suggest to take over the Netherlands just so we'll have an excuse to slap Kura. ;)
I don't think we want to expose our military to hours of him whining about how he hasn't done anything worthy of being slapped, how we just don't understand him, we should just get a sense of humor, and he won't really be around very much anymore ... not at all really ... just lurking for the most part, just a few posts here and there ... hmmmkay? ;)

[Nogling]

*cackles*

You sir, are insane...

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Nogling
You sir, are insane...

No argument there.

[KuraFire]

Hahahahahahahahhahahaaaa you're so funny! :down:

:rolleyes:


You're both heading towards a point where you're making the exact same mistake as dean & Se7, and that's not something to be proud of, y'know... Especially since you're (both) getting awfully close to it already. :down:

[Last Battle]

I don't ridicicule that easily, so I'll give you a suggestion. There is this factory building not too far from my house and one day I say these guys in orange suits doing something with strange instruments, while I was walking. I asked them what they were doing and they said checking for radiation. So I say you read up on these devices, knock off or ask your choice a couple of orange suits to check your money for you.

[Dreadnaught]

Last Battle- Shhhh! Kathy doesn't want reason in this thread! :)

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by KuraFire
You're both heading towards a point where you're making the exact same mistake as dean & Se7, and that's not something to be proud of, y'know... Especially since you're (both) getting awfully close to it already. :down:

You must be on sedatives today. That is the most subdued response I've ever seen you post. ;)

[Nogling]

Oh, good grief, Kura!

You really DON'T have a sense of humor if you missed the sarcasm....

:rolleyes:

Sheesh, man, lighten up already! I put up with the green hair bit....

[KuraFire]

Nog, I put up with ten dozen piles of crap here every day, but that doesn't mean there's no limit.

FYI, dean and Se7en were also joking, and adding winks and all, but that doesn't always make things acceptable.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Oh shush, Kura.

[kathaksung]

to Dreadnaught,

You are right, Ashcroft was competing with former governor Carnahan for Senator of Missouri then. Thanks for correction.
The message should be:"In 2000, Mr.Ashcroft competed for US Senator of Missoure. The death of his rival former Governor Carnahan in an airplane crash reminded me of the accidental death of a Disneyland executive several years ago. Anyhow, voters chose the widow of his rival rather then him. I said to myself, 'it may be an coincidence, don't be oversensitive.' Then he was nominated as General Attorney of Justice. This is a post supervising Fedral law enforcement agency, a VIP post . I then thought in different way. It seemed like if they could not have someone being a senator , they would sent him to a post which supervising them. "

Kat Sung

[kathaksung]

For 911 WTC bombing, my opinion is: It's a large scale attack, there were 19 terrorists on board and with unknown ground supporters. Some stay in US for years. If they could solve Unobomber's case(a difficult one with only one criminal), it's strange they have no trace of such a big case.

In OKC bombing, McVeigh's target was FBI and BATF. But that day, both staffs of the two offices were absent. It is said FBI have infiltrated the supermacist organization and got the bombing information in advance. To protect the informant they kept the information secret. Is there possibility that samething happened? Otherwise it's hard to explain such a big failure in intelligence.

[kathaksung]

31. Monitor and be monitored

In 1998, I read a book 'Study abroad in US'.( Chinese edition ) Author Qian Ning was a Chinese student studying 'News media ' in US. He visited many Chinese students during school vacation and wrote this book. He wrote, that most Chinese students said they felt US was a democratic country. They didn't feel that they were monitored by American government. Anyhow, there was exception. A man insisted that government monitoring foreigh students. He had such an experience. Once he would take a vacation back to China. The night before his leaving, he told his wife (or friend?) to pack for their journey. "Take care, there is top secret documents inside." He said. That was a joke. Next day in airport, His luggage was searched thoroughly. He knew it was his joke caused it. Had he not made that joke, he would have joined that majority and won't say that foreign students were monitored.

Even Wen Ho Lee, once was thought a spy suspect, has been a government informant as well as his wife. They reported the contact of their Chinese counter parter. I think that was why Lee was cooprative at first, talk everything with laugh to agents until he was threatened by FBI agent that if he would not admit he was a spy he could be sentenced to death. Since then he was silenced. This remind me of the two black girls who were placed in dangerous position, (see '18. Portable microwave shooting instrument' ) I think they thought they worked for law enforcement agency without knowing the truth. Lee was lucky to get a good lawyer. Otherwise there was possibility he was still in jail. But compare to Ron and Mrs. Churchill, they were much better. Ron and Mrs. Churchill could never have dreamed of that they died in hands of people they worked for.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Originally posted by kathaksung
For 911 WTC bombing, my opinion is: It's a large scale attack, there were 19 terrorists on board and with unknown ground supporters. Some stay in US for years. If they could solve Unobomber's case(a difficult one with only one criminal), it's strange they have no trace of such a big case.


Gee, I guess that they'll be bombing Afghanistan on whim then...

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by kathaksung
For 911 WTC bombing, my opinion is: It's a large scale attack, there were 19 terrorists on board and with unknown ground supporters. Some stay in US for years. If they could solve Unobomber's case(a difficult one with only one criminal), it's strange they have no trace of such a big case.

In OKC bombing, McVeigh's target was FBI and BATF. But that day, both staffs of the two offices were absent. It is said FBI have infiltrated the supermacist organization and got the bombing information in advance. To protect the informant they kept the information secret. Is there possibility that samething happened? Otherwise it's hard to explain such a big failure in intelligence.

Oh don't start, the FBI was trying to find two of the hijackers already and the only clues they had came 12 minutes before the planes hit, and at that time all they knew was that two planes had been hijacked.

The Government is not some evil, warmongering, money-stuffing machine. They wouldn't let something like this happen, especially since 1) It serously hurt the economy 2) So many government workers worked in those buildings.

The people who did this literally lived to hijack those planes. They had an incredible amount of determination and patience. All they had to do was be quiet, pay their taxes, keep separate, and move around a bit while they got flight training. It's totally innocent out of context to what they did.

And as for that one guy who's bag was searched, look at the numbers! A clear majority of people feel safe and unwatched and only one paranoid guy (like you) felt threatened by his bag being searched. I've had my bag fully searched plenty of times when flying internationally and I'm a 16-year-old, white, non-suspicious-looking guy.

And especially now- everyone's having their bags searched in airports. I'll bet you think that this is how the government is coating their clothing in radioactive elements so that they slowly die of cancer. Of course! The US government invented cancer!:rolleyes:

[Dragon Revisited]

So Kat, were you by chance an illegal alien living in this country when you were operating your business?

And if you were a legalized U.S. citizen how is it you're so freely living back in China?

Considering the tense relations between the two countries, I wouldn't blame the government for keeping a close eye on someone who seems to have such free channels to move back and forth between the two nations.

[Dreadnaught]

That's a good point.

And do we really have to get into the Dark Side of China? :rolleyes: :eek:

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
And do we really have to get into the Dark Side of China? :rolleyes: :eek:

You mean Kathie-Lee Gifford's slave-child network? ;)

[Dreadnaught]

Heh, that too. :)

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
Heh, that too. :)

Hmmmm .... katha-ksung ... Kathie Lee's a singer ... eerie. Maybe kat solicits child labor in the states and ships them to China to work in slave-labor sweatshops! :eek:

*******!

[Moonsinger]

Pardon me. I really hate to spoil your funs, but I think Kat said (at the beginning of this post) that he was seeking political asylum in Thailand, not China. ;)

[Dreadnaught]

He could by lying.

Or have no idea where the hell he is. We're talking about a guy who falls asleep while driving, wakes up somewhat lost, and then blames it on the government. :D

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
He could by lying.

Or have no idea where the hell he is. We're talking about a guy who falls asleep while driving, wakes up somewhat lost, and then blames it on the government. :D

Actually I don't think he's what he says he is anyway. It's hard to believe that a person who is truly that paranoid would use the internet.

[Moonsinger]

He is definitely lying because no government in the right mind would give him a "political asylum". Well, maybe except the Taliban.

[Dreadnaught]

Drev- true.

Somehow I doubt the Taliban has any use for him- they prefer the guys with lots of money. All this guy ever did was sell porcelean (sp) and wet his pants in fear of lightbulbs and the like.

[Moonsinger]

But, Kat had "drug" connection. The "drug" bussines is really the main source of taxes for the Taliban. Plus, he knows all about the dark side of the USA, the Taliban may find that interesting.

[kathaksung]

32. "Operation Fire Dragon"

My wife worked in a travel company in 1987. She was an accountant. Everything was quite well until 1991 when drug case happened. Then the boss became picky. At last she changed my wife's work, from an accountant to a ticket agent.

I noticed that three of four of her colleagues left the comany. Among new comers, there was a lady, I called her G-lady because she guided my wife changed her job twice from two companies.

In 1994, I left for China. About that time, G-lady changed her job into another company- A and S Tours Inc.. She introduced my wife to work in that company. The boss, Mrs H, was a lady from Taiwan, she was under surveillance by Federal law enforcement agency because her brother H was an arms agent, and had a weapon deal at that time. Of course, none of us knew this until the case broke. The case was given a name "Operation Fire dragon" by BATF. H bought some rifles (AK-47, I think) from China and sold them to someone in South America. He was charged that he had shipment of assault weapon without permit. H said he did not know he need a permit because the destination was South America. US was just a transferring point.
What I knew My wife's new boss was charged for receiving a gun box. It was said an agent had guaranteed it was legal , and final verdict of 'innocent' proved he was right because 'gun box' itself was not a weapon. But it didn't stop them to prosecute her though they knew it's innocent.

I reviewed the whole case after it was closed. I have new recognition of Federal law enforcement agency. They tried to circle as many people as possible in a case. Because more people involved, more chance to be benefited. Mrs. H was charged for a gun box which was not a weapon. I think she was charged because she was rich, she had real estate property in San Francisco and San Mateo County, a possible 'profit' source. After I went to China, Mrs. Chen's case was closed. But my family was still under surveillance. Through guiding my wife to a company involved in a case, they still could monitor us legally. G-lady quitted from
the A & S Tours Inc. about one month before the case broke. She avoided to be involved in any trouble. I didn't believe any coincidence already then. I even think 'operation Fire Dragon' probably was masterminded by Federal Law enforcement agency.(It was easy, only by disguising a buyer from South America, a tactic they frequently use,they could easily build a case.) When my wife went to the new company, the weapon's deal should only be in process, maybe just started, but they foresaw there would be a case and guided her in.

[Dreadnaught]

I think you have some problems with English. They wouldn't charge her for having the box, they would charge her for the freaking guns inside! If you accept arms, whether or not they are in a little box, you are accepting arms.

Are you saying that this woman's brother is a nice, innocent guy? He's selling AK-47s to South America, probably to drug lords! It sounds like a sting operation to nab her brother, who had been helping the more brutal aspects of the drug trade. In that case, bravo to the FBI.

Why yes, of course A&S tours is full of agents. :rolleyes: In fact, when my parents and I used them, there were other people on the plane with us!!!!!!! And when we turned on the light in the hotel room, it made a humming noise!!!!!

It would appear that for every person in the US that 5 people are watching them. Do the math.

You seem to make these stories up and then post them on the internet en-mass as soon as you formulate them. If this all happened and you don't seem to be doing anything else, why couldn't you just write them all up?

I like how you don't even respond anymore. :)

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
I think you have some problems with English. They wouldn't charge her for having the box, they would charge her for the freaking guns inside! If you accept arms, whether or not they are in a little box, you are accepting arms.

Are you saying that this woman's brother is a nice, innocent guy? He's selling AK-47s to South America, probably to drug lords! It sounds like a sting operation to nab her brother, who had been helping the more brutal aspects of the drug trade. In that case, bravo to the FBI.

Why yes, of course A&S tours is full of agents. :rolleyes: In fact, when my parents and I used them, there were other people on the plane with us!!!!!!! And when we turned on the light in the hotel room, it made a humming noise!!!!!

It would appear that for every person in the US that 5 people are watching them. Do the math.

You seem to make these stories up and then post them on the internet en-mass as soon as you formulate them. If this all happened and you don't seem to be doing anything else, why couldn't you just write them all up?

I like how you don't even respond anymore. :)

Though English is my second language, there was no mistake in this description. Otherwise she won't got 'not guilt'. It's something wrong on your mind. With a paranoid suspicion, your base is 'problem English', and imagination of your own. And even suggest that the weapon is going to drug lords. (What an imagination) You can become a great Alah, because you know what unhappened. But according to your logic, Boeing and CIA are criminals because one produces aeroplanes which are used as bombers in 911 terrorist bombing and the other has trained and supported Bin Laden with money and weapons. What I like to emphysize is what I said is based on facts and your's is only an imagination. If you don't like this and even don't want a response, why did you post on this thread? Nobody force you to read it, it's you yourself clings to it. Leave it alone. Your irrational posting is worse than poor English.

[kathaksung]

33. Evaluation of property

About in 1992, a former colleague of my wife when she was in Hong Kong came to visit US with her husband. At that time, friends and relatives were intimidated by law enforcement agents and kept a distance from us. So I thought it was a little strange, especially they chose to stay at our house for two nights. Tourist used to stay in San Francisco, rarely came to San Jose.

The husband started to talk about stamp collection. I collected stamp when I was a child and kept that hobby until then. Even in the years of Chinese Cultural revolution, I didn't give up. At that extraordinary period, collect stamp was regarded as a capitalist hobby, stamp store were shut down, stamps were burned. I almost have most stamps government issued since 1949. Now it worths something, especially those issued during Culture Revolution and before that period, because most of them were abandoned and destroyed. He asked me to show him my collection and viewed them carefully. He astonished me by offering 1700(HK dollars) for a set of stamp which face value is only 2 (HK dollars). That price could cover almost total cost I spent on my collection. Then he talked about how he collected stamps. He bought bunch of sheets of stamp when new edition issued and put them in safe box. So when value increased, he made a lot of money. He talked about this again and again.

I thought, this way was not a hobby, it was investment. Rich men's business. He was rich, he had a securities company. He came to estimate the value of my collection and encourage me to have more by offering a high price on one set of stamp. Collection, as well as gold, cash, jewel are Federal law enforcement's favorites. Because these things are usually with no record and easy be stolen. Even my wife doesn't know how many and what kind of stamp I have. And the husband might think he worked for Law enforcement agency so he was trusted by government. He didn't know it was not coincidence. They picked him up because he was rich. Just like the burglary to my youngest brother in law, (he is the richest among my sisters and brother), the prosecution of the boss of A and S Tours, (though they knew she was innocent), he was chosen because he was a possible 'profit' source. Of course, I knew nothing of this, only felt it was unusual then. I recognize all this bit and bit by accumulation of experience later.

34. The lost Credit Card

I had a Visa card. About in September 1993, Visa card company said they would transfer my Visa card into GM Mastercard. I wonder why they did so and thought they might sold business to another company.

In Oct. 15, Visa card company gave me a letter, said that as one of select customers, they were sending me a Mastercard to replace Visa card. Usually this was a notice and customers would receive the card in a week or so. I didn't pay much attention on this because at that time, I felt pressure on my business. Newspaper said Mrs. Chen's drug case would be sentenced next week. Berryessa Flea Market announced there would be a Festival next week. There would be music, and free beer. I've been in Berryessa for nearly 10 years. It was the first time experience. Free beer reminded me of free entertainment of Disneyland for FBI agent. It seemed that they would close the drug case and had a celebration. I knew I was much more a target than any real criminals because I knew too much dark side of Federal law enforcement agency. I didn't know what they would do but expected there would be a violent end. So I abandoned my business that week.

In Nov. 24, GM Card co. mailed me a letter, reminding me they had sent me the card, and emphasized with bold letter that:" If you have not received your new card(s), please call our Lost/Stolen Dept. at......." The same sentence was put in an eye-catching box at the top of the letter. I called that number. Staff said they would cancel the lost card and mail me new one. Right next day, I received the letter contained new Mastercard. "What an efficiency!" I admired while calling Card company to confirm of receipt. To my surprise, I was interrogated by the staff for sometime. Then they told me the card number I confirmed was reported lost yesterday and should be the card due in my hands one month ago. I immediately realized someone surveying on my mail had held the credit card. They only released it when touched off by report lost phone call. That's why I got the lost mail next day to the phone call. The promised new card arrived nine days later.

Since then I was aware they even developed a system to steal from people. Everything was well planed in advance, they even could get a credit card of full amount from victim which the dead man could never verify. It may also explain why they are so easily kill innocent people: they can always 'profit' from it, either by credit card, cash or their collections. And it is the safest loot, no one will complain. All victims are dead people.

35. A blackmail on 911 WTC bombing

On Sept.24, 2001, my wife received a letter from her credit card company. (I have cancelled all my credit cards long time ago when I knew their dirty methods) With big letters it asks "May we send you a new card?" and suggests to send a new Platinum Visa Business card with a credit line of up to $35,000. My wife does not have a business. And the amount she charged credit card is about 500 each month. In another word, the total amount she charged each year on credit card is only about a tail figure of that offer of each month. I don't know what information the credit card company based on. With my own experience, I knew it's unusual. Since I revealed the dark side of Federal law enforcement agency, I have a feeling they will eliminate those who know my story.

In same day, Attorney General John Ashcroft made an urgent plea to obtain greater police powers to combat terrorism. One proposal is to allow wiretap information obtained by foreign governments to be used in court by federal prosecutors even if it was gathered in violation of the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. Federal law enforcement agency already have unbridle powers. With new proposal they almost can do whatever they want to hurt the people they don't like. Something Federal law enforcement agent can't do or unwilled to do, can then be done by the hands of foreign government. Then they can frame many case by unreliable source. We know many foreign countries are under influence of US government like CIA. The harassment I suffered in South East Asia proved FBI, DEA's extend power through inter-police. Now by the chance of 911 terrorist bombing, they try to grip more power. I think a plot planed by Federal law enforcement agent involved with Chinese government is now in developing.

[Dragon Revisited]

Kat,
The only people who have reason to fear the government watching them, are people who have something to hide. ;)

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by kathaksung


Though English is my second language, there was no mistake in this description. Otherwise she won't got 'not guilt'. It's something wrong on your mind. With a paranoid suspicion, your base is 'problem English', and imagination of your own. And even suggest that the weapon is going to drug lords. (What an imagination) You can become a great Alah, because you know what unhappened.

Okay, not that much of this makes sense, but I was theorizing. It's probable. Why else would a South American client need a crate full of assault riffles? Answer that.



But according to your logic, Boeing and CIA are criminals because one produces aeroplanes which are used as bombers in 911 terrorist bombing and the other has trained and supported Bin Laden with money and weapons.


Errr, that's not my logic... :rolleyes:.

What I like to emphysize is what I said is based on facts and your's is only an imagination. If you don't like this and even don't want a response, why did you post on this thread? Nobody force you to read it, it's you yourself clings to it. Leave it alone. Your irrational posting is worse than poor English.

If anything, I'm the less irrational person here. I read and post in this thread because it's full of bull****. If no one who actually lives in the US were here to refute your claims, people might just believe your nonsense.

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Dragon Revisited
Kat,
The only people who have reason to fear the government watching them, are people who have something to hide. ;)

I care but don't fear government watching. Otherwise I won't go to internet to expose all of these. I use my real name.

Your word should be: "The only gorvenment who have reason to fear the people revealing them, are government who have something to hide. "

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught


Okay, not that much of this makes sense, but I was theorizing. It's probable. Why else would a South American client need a crate full of assault riffles? Answer that.

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I can't read his mind. But I made my guess in message, he was an agent who disguise a buyer. He try to produce a case.

[kathaksung]

36. Frame a case

At the same time, I found my thread "Why DEA,FBI involved in secret deal of spy plane" was censored in 'Above top secret.com', and was moved away in 'Newsmax.com'.
In the thread, I alleged DEA,FBI were framing a drug case with Chinese secret police. It seems they are uneasy with my thread and try to block people from knowing it. I fear it's a symptom they are carrying out a frame case.

They are demanding more power now. Ashcroft and President Bush are pressing Congress to rush through a new pakage of law which give them broader power to detain people, electronic surveillance and evidence using in court which gathered in violation of Fouth Amendment of US Constitution. Pushing for a swift passage, Ashcroft using the word "a clear, present danger" of terrorist attack to intimidate. Later law enforcement officer explained that's because of his "relative inexperience". They even put a label of 'Patriot Act' on it. Then those who oppose it for the threatenning of civil liberty will become 'unpatriot'.

And it's the best time now to do it. Since it's a frame case, there will be a slaughter to seal the mouths of people if they would have been in custody. They need a big event to transfer public's attention. And the coming Afghanistan war will be a good one.

See "Why DEA,FBI involved in secret deal of spy plane" at:

http://www.newsmax.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000955.html

[Dreadnaught]

I am not uneasy with anything about what you have said. It would be refreshing if you actually posted something other than the drivel you do. How about some actual proof? Other than you know that they are following you and what not. Oh yes I know the story blah blah blah, they follow me, blah blah blah, they have sattelites tracking me, blah blah blah.

Hah, so true! :D

I like how you accuse the mods of being paid off by the government when they move your nutty theories from "Current Events" to the "Conspiracy Theories" forum. DEAR GOD! THEY MOVED IT! THEY ARE OUT TO GET YOU!

Do you have a life? How do you support yourself? If you have some sort of job, you must all of your free time posting up this crap everywhere you can. That and spooking the hell out of your wife.

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Your word should be: "The only gorvenment who have reason to fear the people revealing them, are government who have something to hide. "

Which is why ours obviously doesn't care that you wander various forums "exposing" these deeds. :) :up:

[kathaksung]

Quote,

"I am not uneasy with anything about what you have said. It would be refreshing if you actually posted something other than the drivel you do. How about some actual proof? Other than you know that they are following you and what not. Oh yes I know the story blah blah blah, they follow me, blah blah blah, they have sattelites tracking me, blah blah blah"

To your word, FBI will issue a ticket to people they monitor: "Agent Fabia monitored you on 01/01/01. This is proof."
Or:" Agent Fabia eavesdropped your phone call to Lewinsky, Mr. Clinton." So those people can show you with proof.

I don't force people to believe. But I posted someone's suggestion which may help. If you go to see the message I posted on Sept. 15.

[kathaksung]

37. Manipulate Bank operation

Congress, under tremendous pressure, hastily passed the "Patriot Act" on Oct. 12. Democratic members of Congress were given little time to review the content and were given only one hour to debate although it is the most important Act about civil rights in recent decades. It once again proves Federal law enforcement agency has unchecked power that they can push through Act swiftly which favours to them. It will surely lead to conditions under which petty criminals as well as innocent people, get labled and punished as terrorists. And potential of abuse is predictable.

I'm afraid they will use new griped power to deal with people they hate. So I broke sequence to talk about how I seeking asylum in Thailand.

In February, 2000, I was in Cambodia. Where I was alarmed by it's telephone rate, 4 dollars per minute to US.(When I managed to live at a level of 10 dollars per day), And I learnt from book that the next three nations I was going, Vietnam; Laos; Burma were all notorious for their high rates and inconvenience on tele-communication. So I went back to Thailand where telephone rate was comparatively low. I called my wife to remit me some money. She told me that San Jose bank said I had to have a bank account to receive money. I visited several big banks in Bangkok and found it was almost impossible for foreign tourist to open an account. (A minimum ballance of 5,000 to start. If I had that much money, I wouldn't need remittace) They all assured me that it was common practice that tourists can get remittance by passport with appropriet name and passport number. They told me they had many remittance from US in this way. And surprisely asked:" Which part of US you live?" I thought these banks explanation were reasonable. I thought Federal law enforcement agency might abuse their power to block me to get the remittance in normal way. I wrote a letter to Mr. Ralph Horton, legal attache of US Consulate in Bangkok, request an investigation. There was no response.

Re: Letter to Mr. Ralph Horton
"March 7, 2000

Mr. Ralph Horton
Legal Attache
95 Wireless Rd.
Bangkok 10330


I am writing you to ask for help to solve remittance problem. I was a retailer in flea maket. In 1991, one of my merchandise supplier was arrested for heroin smuggling. I found I was under 24 hours surveillance by law enforcement since then. Things became worse after I found they use radiation material as tracer which hurt my health badly. As pressure intensified, I was forced to go abroad because I felt my life was threatened. I went Southeast Asia. even in these countries, I am still survied by the police of these countries.

Om February. 2000, I asked my wife to send me $3,000.00 She told me that the banks in San Jose would not wire money unless there is an account in Bangkok. But banks in Bangkok make it impossible for foreigner tourist to open an account. It is common practice that tourist can get remittence by passport with appropriet name and passport number. The staffs of bank are surprise at account need theory and asked "(this rule) is from which part of United States?"

Someone has abused their power to blocked me to get money in normal way. I request you to investigate in this event and a quick response would be appriciated.

Sincerely

Kat Hak Sung

p.s. My permanent mailing address is: *********
San Jose, Ca.95132
U.S.A.
tel:(408)***-****

My wife's name: ******* Sung"

[kathaksung]

Anthrax crisis

1. Several weeks ago, I went to internet, found all windows of web-sites were error message pages. Thus I was blocked away from reading and posting. To verify if it was a virus attack of 'code red', I went to my tenant's computer, he had a diffrent phone line. All web-sites were normal there. I was under surveillance by agents for a long time. It was an obvious proof that they harassed my computer on my phone line. Now in "Patriot Act", there is broder power authorize agents to survey multiple lines instead of one, which means it's now legal for them block someone from communication to out world if only agents think he is a suspect. In previous event, I could have been blocked from getting information or asking for help if I found they abuse their power.

2. Anthrax crisis. Who has the resource and motive to do it?

I don't think it's Bin Ladden's work. Their terrorist operation were well planed and prepared. And resulted with large influence. If they use biotech weapon, most likely will be in public spot such like public square, railway station.... . Casulties will be large.

Now the anthrax threats seemed to be a purposed one. The only case of death attracts public's attention, (do you think terrorist will give you a signal to warn that they will bomb somewhere like TWC with hijacked planes?) then with the help of media , raise a wave of horror to push through "Patriot Act" to grip more power. And let people agree with them to abuse these power.

The next targets were chief of NBC and Senator Daschle. (For terrorist targets, President Bush, Defense Secretary Rumsfield are more likely) The purpose is obviously to intimidate Media and Legislature, which could have been a check power if there would be a frame case.

And I allege they'll also eliminate people they don't like by this chance. I have four sisters and brother, two of them and two of in-laws are working in post office. I always worry about thier safety because they know my story. Especially when the news reported "No-glove rule worries some San Jose postal workers - Officials say safety policy prohibits machine operators from wearing latex gloves, despite fears of potential anthrax exposures" which makes an anthrax killing resonable. ( Consider Federal law enforcement agent used to do pre-propaganda to cover their murder plot. Such like to owe a Fluorescent lamp killing to Solar storm; microwave killing to heart attack; microwave ray shooting killing to memingitis, cellule phone...etc.)

Least casulty to raise public's scare. Intimidation on media and legislature to create a surrounding to grip and abuse power without interference. A case created much more likely by Federal law enforcement agent than terrorist. That's my point of view. Hope there will be no more development for cover up after my comment. (Such like killing more people, expanding mailing range, the cover up work they used to do.)

[Dreadnaught]

Hah! If I were in the consulate and some nutbag like you wrote that to me...:rolleyes:

Doesn't writing to an American agency for help violate everything you're trying to do? Especially if you really wanted a normal remittance without the Us government getting involved...

Two words- Money Transfer. Get the money wired, Western Union or something.

So now, let's summarize Kat's case:

1) Sold stuff in California before friend was busted for heroin. Subsequently, the US government poured millions of dollars into imagionary means in an attempt to kill him. However, it was to no avail, as such means do not exist. The government could just use a bullet or poison his food, but noooo, that would be too simple.

2) Kat starts feeling sick at random times, when turning on lights, watching TV, using money, walking around, and while freaking DRIVING! :D Yes indeed, Kat would fall asleep while driving (apparently the government again) and wake up not knowing where he was. Refusing to see a doctor about his health problems, he chose to further blame the government.

3) Wife's boss works for a woman who aided in the trafficing of a create full of AK-47s to some guy in South America. This completely innocent act lead to the prosecution of this woman and her possible co-conspirators by the tyrannical US government, however she was cleared of wrongdoing.

4) Kat continues to write drivel. Some admins at message boards are sick of it, especially the ones running news discussion (not conspiracy theory) boards and delete his threads. Obviously, the government has threatened them if they don't delete the threads. Once again, the government uses outlandishly indirect means to silence Kat.

5) Kat, living in Cambodia and then Thiland (supporting himself by some means, perhaps he hitched on to the arms trade) tries to get money from his wife, however needs a bank account. Of course, the US government, controlling all right down to Thailands banks, makes it so that these banks will not open a bank account for a man who has no freaking money.

Hey, I see we're online at the same time. Cool! Well then you can be the recipient of a wholeheated :p :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :D

[Dragon Revisited]

I get the impression Kat is a kid sitting in a college dorm with foil over the windows and a poster of Mao on the wall, with an old two-record fold-out album he uses to pick the seeds out of his stash. ;)

Maybe Rish could clear this up by telling us what ISP he's using when he logs on. ;):up:

[Submarine]

Originally posted by kathaksung
After I complained this I found I was frequently under microwave radiation which cooked my blood, solidified thim to form clog, caused severe chest pain. As pressure intensified,I could not bear the torture of EM wave, I went abroad in 1999.

I would bet that when you moved you deprived some poor pharmacist of their income from your no-doubt expensive antipsychotic prescriptions.

[kathaksung]

I wonder how much you got paid for these discredit harassment?

[kathaksung]

Anthrax crisis, who has motive and resource(2)

1. The first victim, Bob Stevens, died on Oct. 5. He was an photo editor of Sun, a tabloid focus on scandals of celebrities such like Princess Diana's affair, Clinton and Lewinsky affair or President's drunken daughters. It seems he was much more a revenge target of some powerful celebrities then OBL and his Al -Qaida. Do you think terrorist know Bob and choose him the first target?

2. The following event was a purposed intimidation on media and Senator, to develop an atmospere of horror which would favour Federal law enforcement agency to grip more power.

3. After 15 days observation, I reached conclusion of " Least casulty to raise public's scare." and put it on internet on Oct. 21. I had worried if they would do some cover up so I wrote at the end of message:"Hope there will be no more development for cover up after my comment. (Such like killing more people, expanding mailing range, the cover up work they used to do.This comment first posted on Oct. 21, 01) " Because I am too familiar with their behavior. (You can see they quickly released held credit card after report lost phone call (#34. The lost credit card), and they changed their parking behavior right away after I found their working shift. (#28. My wife intimidated)

4. The response is swift. On Oct. 23, news paper said there were two more deaths related to anthrax. One death on Oct. 21, and one on Oct.22. (to break "least casulty"allegation) and discovery of anthrax spore in Pentagon and supreme court. (to break "media and legislature only" allegation) and to my worry of "no gloves rule" A news said, "Promted in part by complaints from letter carriers in Sunnyvale and several west coast cities, postal authorities Tuesday(Oct.23) reassured in light of the anthrax scare they now have a right to wear gloves and mask...."(San Jose Mercury, Oct 24) In several days, all my allegations were covered, but my expectation was proved too though I had wished not. I don't believe all these were coincidence.

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by kathaksung
I wonder how much you got paid for these discredit harassment?
I wonder how much you got paid for these stories that you just made up?

[Dragon Revisited]

Hmmmm. Ashcroft issues another terrorist alert ... and less than four hours later Kat is back at it ...

... just a sec ... I have to call the FBI hotline ... ;)

[Dreadnaught]

They didn't target the guy who died at the Sun in Florida. The letter was sent to American Media, the owner of the sun. Most likely it's a foreigner who just saw the name "American Media" online somewhere and assumed that it was in fact the entire American media.

Took a smarter one to do stuff like send it to Brokaw, Daschle, and such.

[Elena Tirorod]

Originally posted by kathaksung
I wonder how much you got paid for these discredit harassment?

. o O(I wonder why we even bother..)

Mr. Sung, I regret to inform you that we at the FBI cannot let this rigmarole continue. Several of my colleagues are on their way to your house as we speak.
Sincerely,
Agent Brown

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Elena Tirorod
...Agent Brown

It would be more effective if it was Agent "Smith." Then the lady walking her dog outside his door could suddenly turn into an agent and wipe him from The Matrix. ;)

[Elena Tirorod]

I thought about Agent Smith.. but I didn't know precisely what the Matrix connection would be. Oh well, maybe he'll fall for it anyway. ;)

[Elanya Rodillia]

Originally posted by kathaksung
And even suggest that the weapon is going to drug lords. (What an imagination)
And what normal citizen in South America (or anywhere else, for that matter) illegally buys automatic weapons?
Originally posted by kathaksung
Free beer reminded me of free entertainment of Disneyland for FBI agent.
Oh, yes. These two are soooo much alike. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by kathaksung
In Nov. 24, GM Card co. mailed me a letter, reminding me they had sent me the card, and emphasized with bold letter that:" If you have not received your new card(s), please call our Lost/Stolen Dept. at......." The same sentence was put in an eye-catching box at the top of the letter. I called that number. Staff said they would cancel the lost card and mail me new one. Right next day, I received the letter contained new Mastercard. "What an efficiency!" I admired while calling Card company to confirm of receipt. To my surprise, I was interrogated by the staff for sometime. Then they told me the card number I confirmed was reported lost yesterday and should be the card due in my hands one month ago. I immediately realized someone surveying on my mail had held the credit card. They only released it when touched off by report lost phone call. That's why I got the lost mail next day to the phone call. The promised new card arrived nine days later.
Just so you know, I once got a birthday card from my grandma about 4 months late.
Originally posted by kathaksung
I wonder how much you got paid for these discredit harassment?
Ooh, how I wish we did.

And we're the ones who are harrasing you?! You're the one who has no connection to these boards and is suddenly posting in the Community Chat forum!

[Dragon Revisited]

Kat, how is it that all of your friends and relatives seem to work for--or know--people who are trafficking drugs and/or weapons?

Maybe you need new friends?

And as for the credit card. You report it lost, then when you get cards in the mail the next day you think they're the replacement cards and try to activate them?

My high school philosophy instructor was right ... ignorance is the fertile garden of paranoia. :(

[Elanya Rodillia]

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by Dragon Revisited
ignorance is the fertile garden of paranoia.
That would be a good summary of Kat.:up:

[Hazir]

This seemed to be the appropriate place for a new conspiracy theory that caught my attention;

The attacks of 9-11 were the work of a hindu-zionist conspiracy, to cause a war between the US and Islam of which both Israel and India will benefit. Because this war will distract the world from the attrocities in Palestine and Kashmir.

[Wowbagger T.I.P]

I like conspiracy theories!
My only complaint is that it does not involve any aliens :(

Originally posted by Dragon Revisited

Kind of like Frank Herbert's "The White Plague." Good book.


Oooh you just made up for having a Jordan-inspired forum name :) Not many people have read that book since, as I recall, its been out of print for years - like many other good Herbert books :( Now *that* is a conspiracy if you ask me.

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by Wowbagger T.I.P
My only complaint is that it does not involve any aliens :(

Oh no, you are giving Kat idea for his next post...the government is working with the aliens against him.

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Wowbagger T.I.P
Oooh you just made up for having a Jordan-inspired forum name :) Not many people have read that book since, as I recall, its been out of print for years - like many other good Herbert books :( Now *that* is a conspiracy if you ask me.

Someone else has read "White Plague?" I think you're the first I've found. I just can't get other people interested in it. The Dune series might be his most famous work, but I think a lot of his other books were better. I love stuff like The Santaroga Barrier, Hellstrom's Hive, Destination Void (and the following "Jesus Incident" trilogy). He gets labeled with Dune, and because of it a lot of good stories fall into the shadows. :(

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by moonsinger

I wonder how much you got paid for these stories that you just made up?

Not a penny. In internet, it's free.

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Elanya Rodillia

And what normal citizen in South America (or anywhere else, for that matter) illegally buys automatic weapons?

Oh, yes. These two are soooo much alike. :rolleyes:

Just so you know, I once got a birthday card from my grandma about 4 months late.

Ooh, how I wish we did.

And we're the ones who are harrasing you?! You're the one who has no connection to these boards and is suddenly posting in the Community Chat forum!

1. I don't know anything about that South America buyer but guess it's a US agent who set a trap. As for 'illegal' purpose, it's hard to discuss, otherwise how can you explain why US made 'stinger' missle now used by Afghanistan against US. And US government had arms sold to Iran when they kidnapped US hostages.

2. Yes, sometimes there is a delay mail. But
1). It's not common that your credit card company suddenly cancelling your existing Visa card and replace it with a mastercard. The chance is rare.
2). The replacing of cards happened just on the time they tried to finish the case. And also the time I alleged to eliminate me. If it's a coincidence, the chance is rare.
3). The card was not lost, it was held by someone who surveyed my mail. It was delivered next day after report lost call. And the chance is rare, too.
What is the result if you times all these three 'chance of little' together?

3. As for community. Someone talked about that before. You pick up his/her spit again. Go to post on July 12, 13 to review. Work hard if you wish to be paid. Every half year or so.

[kathaksung]

Anthrax crisis, who has motive and resource (3)

Newspaper said 911 terrorist leader Atta made contact with an Iraq diplomat this spring in Czech. And the material found mixed in anthrax letter are used by three countries: US; Russia; Iraq. Iraq thus becomes a main suspect. This meets some government officials' demand. They need an excuse to extend war against countries which sponser terrorist. And Iraq is the most wanted.

If Iraq is behind this anthrax attack, then it's a 'friendly attack' because 1. The first victim is a US celebrities' dislike. 2. Through that death, it gave US a pre-warning that there would be an anthrax attack. 3. It's a 'mercy attack'. Casualty is light and victims are ordinary people. 4. It maintains an intension on media and legislation so that they'll support adminstration's draged Afghanistan war.

But it's more like a little qroup's operation than a state sponsered biological warfare. The qroup took the chance of 911 terrorist bombing to test a new murder method by first mailing some brown granular material to NBC news on Sept. 18, then mailing letter with refined white powder to Senator Daschle on Oct. 8. They are testing the result of anthrax which were took from different sources step by step. And the fourth anthrax fatality, Nguyen, died mysteriously. She had no access to comtamination of bacteria. Her death won't cause any serious attention or trouble. She was a single, old minority, a perfect victim for a biology weapon test. Since anthrax is a restricted material, who has the authority and motive and resources to do that attack?

[Wowbagger T.I.P]

Originally posted by Dragon Revisited


Someone else has read "White Plague?" I think you're the first I've found. I just can't get other people interested in it. The Dune series might be his most famous work, but I think a lot of his other books were better. I love stuff like The Santaroga Barrier, Hellstrom's Hive, Destination Void (and the following "Jesus Incident" trilogy). He gets labeled with Dune, and because of it a lot of good stories fall into the shadows. :(

Hmm didn't we talk about that in another thread?
Dunno if it was before or after, or even where that thread is :)
Perhaps we could start a Frank Herbert thread, even if we are the only 2 people who post in it :p I've actually read every one of that man's books. I even dug up an ancient copy of his 1st book - "The Dragon in the Sea" at a used book store a while back (1st edition too!)

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Not a penny. In internet, it's free.
So finally, you admit that you do make up these stories.

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by kathaksung


1. I don't know anything about that South America buyer but guess it's a US agent who set a trap. As for 'illegal' purpose, it's hard to discuss, otherwise how can you explain why US made 'stinger' missle now used by Afghanistan against US. And US government had arms sold to Iran when they kidnapped US hostages.


Ouch Kat, you got sloppy. Not only that but you're making a stupid connection. :rolleyes: The reason the Afghanis have US guns and missiles is because we provided the weapons to them when we helped them fight off the Commies. Now they're using them to fight off us...oh the irony. :(

Indeed, I think a good point has been brough up Kat- why the hell are all of your friends ascosiated with cocaine, arms shipments, and large sums of money being transfered to East Asian bank accounts?

I say we all get Rish to track your IP (which is logged) and then report you to the FBI. I'm sure they'd love to talk to Kat about some of this stuff. :D

Or maybe not, Kat's crap is funny. Who needs TV for half an hour when you can read this stuff and tell your friends about the nutcase who writes conspiracy theories. :)

[Elanya Rodillia]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught

Or maybe not, Kat's crap is funny. Who needs TV for half an hour when you can read this stuff and tell your friends about the nutcase who writes conspiracy theories. :)
Because he's not posting as much anymore. That makes me sad. :(

It's entertaining to read about how everyone is out to get him. :weird:

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by Elanya Rodillia
Because he's not posting as much anymore. That makes me sad. :(


That's because he's been unfaithful to us ... posting on other forums:

http://www.forumclick.com/vblite/showthread.php?threadid=403

[Dreadnaught]

Heh, what a loser.

[Elanya Rodillia]

How sad. :(
Maybe we should warn them that he really is that crazy.

[Dreadnaught]

I'm leaning towards a looserish guy trying to defame the US just 'cause he wants to.

[Hotfoot]

I find myself agreeing with Kat here, guys. Like him, I've been targetted for survellance and murder. Except it wasn't from the US, it was from the UK.

A few months ago I let out a big secret on a forum that a powerful group in the UK did not want revealed. They denied it indirectly as so not to draw too much attention to it, but I found out later that they were trying to silence me through other means.

Every so often, people I knew from around the nation were telling me that they were being asked weird questions about me from strange people. A few days later, a SAS team was found performing "operations" in Chicago (the last place I had vacationed to).

This UK agency is still after me, and I will provide details when I can. Keep preaching Kat! We hear you!

-Hotfoot
"There are stranger things...."

[Rudedawg]

Let's see here, which of my Sig statements apply? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah! Both of them!

http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/sarge/Terminator_anim.gif

[Parias]

Just because your paranoid dosen't mean someone isn't after you.

Uh........ yeah....

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by moonsinger

So finally, you admit that you do make up these stories.

How could you get that opinion? What an imagination.

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught


Ouch Kat, you got sloppy. Not only that but you're making a stupid connection. :rolleyes: The reason the Afghanis have US guns and missiles is because we provided the weapons to them when we helped them fight off the Commies. Now they're using them to fight off us...oh the irony. :(

Indeed, I think a good point has been brough up Kat- why the hell are all of your friends ascosiated with cocaine, arms shipments, and large sums of money being transfered to East Asian bank accounts?

I say we all get Rish to track your IP (which is logged) and then report you to the FBI. I'm sure they'd love to talk to Kat about some of this stuff. :D

Or maybe not, Kat's crap is funny. Who needs TV for half an hour when you can read this stuff and tell your friends about the nutcase who writes conspiracy theories. :)

If you found a reason for US, why couldn't others?

If you read my thread, #32, you should know my wife was guided in on purpose. Besides, her boss was finally proved innocent. I don't know how can you reach such ridicules conclusion "all of your friends asciosiated with cocaine, arms shipments and large sums of money being transfered to East Asian bank accounts". If a tourist wants to get remittace is what you suggested, then you for sure can creat many big cases. And I can also predict that your friends are all associated with cocaine, weapon shipments.... just use your own methods.

Why not report to FBI right now. You may get paid for that. Don't forget that Kat Hak Sung is my real name. Hurry up.

[kathaksung]

Anthrax crisis. Who has the resource and motive to do it?(4)

Anthrax crisis rose fast, faded fast. I review the whole case, get such conclusion.

1. The letter containing brown granular material to NBC News dated Sept. 18, Seven days after 911 WTC bombing. And all letters were mailed in N.J. Obviously taking the chance to owe it a terrorist attack.

2. The letter to Senator Daschle dated Oct. 8, at a time the government officials announced to extend war to "countries hosting terrorist" while Iraq is their most wanted. In that letter, a refined white powder was found mixed with a clay called bentonite which is said only three countries used with. They are: US, Russia and Iraq. At the same time, a news said terrorist leader Atta had contacted Irag diplomat in Czech this spring. An information obviously let out by intelligence. All these made to fit government's demand: Iraq was a big suspect.

3. The first victim Bob Stevens was a photo editor of a tabloid, much more a revenge target of powerful US celebrities than terrorist.

4. One thing touched my mind was Dan Rathor's angry face in TV when his assistant Fletch was tested positive in skin anthrax and his office was found contaminated. I have posted in a web site "CBS evening news". Host was Dan Rathor. The forum title was "My America dream". I had posted about ten messages there then found it was closed before I was going to put some more. My thread "My America nightmare" became the last one of that web site. I thus think Dan Rathor might know some of my story, or in another word, the dark side of Federal law enforcement agency. Because he is a media man, he becomes a target? Or is this just an intimidation?

5. Though Federal law enforcement agency hold big power, they still have a little check and balance in legislation such like they need legislation's approve for their "Patriot Act". When Rep. Gary Condit's case happened, I had a feeling it's almost the second edition of Clinton and Lewinsky scandal. All these need intelligence operation behind curtain. Affairs revealed, politicians told a lie try to cover the scandal, then evidence appeared to discredit them. At first, I didn't know why Condit was chosen. I got it when I saw the news said he is a member of 'intelligence committee'. A committee which oversees Federal law enforcement agency. That's the way they played once and again in peace time. Now it's war. From my angle, anthrax attack is another kind of extortion, or intimidation.

6. Ashcroft proposed "Patriot Act" on Sept. 24. It was passed on Oct.24. The anthrax letter targeted media and legislation, put a pressure on them, created a situation favoured law enforcement agency to grip more power, and pushed public to support government's 'war' policy.

7. The powder found in letter to Daschle is weapons grade. Yet none staffs in the room suffered casualty when the letter was opened and powder was spewing into the air. But casualties were considerable in postal workers even though the letters were sealed well with four sides taped.

8. Who has the ability to get different anthrax products. (It should be a restrict material) Especially the white powder is weapon grade. Even in US, I think maybe there is only one or two secret lab carry it.

9. I posted my doubt on Oct. 21. Said it was a "least casualty to raise public scare". Then there were three deaths occurred (Oct. 21,22,31) I alleged it was a cover up. And all three were minorities, two blacks and a Vietnamese. In my experience, scapegoat used to be minority, mostly black people. Hope this won't cause another cover up operation. (first put into internet on Nov. 13)

[Hotfoot]

IP trace might not do much good, given the fact that Kat has decided to hide in plain sight on America Online. At least he was as of this past June.

Amazing what a little google can do for your day, isn't it? But from what I can tell, his mail server is in Manassas, VA. You don't need to be the FBI to find someone on the net, it's actually quite easy for anyone to do.

Kat, why not let people know about these things on www.slashdot.org? It's an open source news site that could benefit greatly from your experiences.

[Dreadnaught]

Hotfoot- interesting...

Kat- so not Dan Rather knows you and is targeting you. I'm not even going to go there:rolleyes:

And no, my friends aren't ascociated with that stuff because they're not accused of it. Aquittal or not, you're still friends with lots of shady characters.

They probably closed your threads (like they did all the others) because your a nut. We, on the other hand, have time on our hands for this junk.


7. The powder found in letter to Daschle is weapons grade. Yet none staffs in the room suffered casualty when the letter was opened and powder was spewing into the air. But casualties were considerable in postal workers even though the letters were sealed well with four sides taped.


The powder wasn't "spewing into the air", fool, some of it fell to the ground. After some time to cycle around, the virus contaminated other places in the Senate building, which is still closed.

I was just reading an article about the powder and the particular Anthrax strain, known as the Ames strain. It came off of a dead cow in Iowa around 1979 and since then has been reproduced and given to laboratories around the world. However, the inhalation version of the antrax requires some very advanced processing which includes storage for transport in that famous powder.

Substitutes for the power (forget what it's called...Benonate something? I'll see if I can find the article, I may have thrown it out) were noticed at Iraqi weapons labs, but determined not to be the powder used in the recent anthrax strains. Rather, the substitute power used recently is a slightly modified common industrial component.

Oh, I'm sure you'll say "the government wouldn't be so overt as to use weapons-grade components" or something, but after lots of investigations, it has been determined that this is all probably just a distraught lab worker in the US.

Or one of your friends, Kat. :D

Anyway, the reason that postal workers have been affected is obvious- they handle the mail. Daschle nor any other senator never went near the mail and, because they were evacuated, have not been exposed.

[Piramas]

LA................
USA appeared in 18 century, Lithuania appeared in 13 century.
You are young, you are free, but we have tradicions, you havent, we havent a lot of money, but we are kind, we are just we, and USA people always want to say that they are the best nation in the world. Dear americans FORGET IT.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Well now... What was that all about?

[Rudedawg]

Maybe i am wrong.

It is just plain PARANOID!!

And a Noob3.

[Elanya Rodillia]

The n00b is weird. :bulb:

[Greb]

Ohhhhh... A crazy guy :bulb:

Well, After reading all that crap, I can't think of a single thing to say.

Da' Green Dude

[platipus]

wow... and i just clicked my way in here expecting another 'bad americans bombing poor Terrorists' thread, i definitely got more than i bargained for this time :D


In 1991, because an acquaintance was arrested for drug smuggling, I was under surveillance by law enforcemenbt agent. They used isotope money as tracer which hurt my health badly. After I complained this I found I was frequently under microwave radiation which cooked my blood, solidified thim to form clog, caused severe chest pain. As pressure intensified,I could not bear the torture of EM wave, I went abroad in 1999. There I still was under surveillance of local police. On Mar. 22 2000, attempts of frame me up to a drug case forced me seeking political asylum in Thailand.


Kat - my only suggestion to you is to write this stuff down in a book instead of these forums, and you can make a fortune selling it to geeks world-wide...

I, being the poor fool I am, will continue thinking that anyone who comes out with posts beginning like that is worthy of attention from samaritans and psychiatrists alone...



P.s.


My only complaint is that it does not involve any aliens


LOL :D

[Moonsinger]

Don't worry about the alien part...it's comming. I have a vision that Kat will post something about our government connection with the alien from outerspace pretty soon.:D Where do you think those microwave weapons coming from? Given enough time, I'm sure Kat will put those two and two together.

[dainorelis]

I'm eagarly awaiting for this part of a story to come next;) :D

[Greb]

Part 234: The Traffic Cops Are Against Me
After a narrow escape from the evil Skajji aliens who took me aboard their ship and questioned me on behalf of the US goverment.
I escaped when i realised they were all robots, and could not see me when I wrapped myself in Tin foil! I quickly got into my car and got onto the road. Suddenly, a police car pulled me over, he said that I had a broken light, though I knew he must be another **** in this elaborate conspiracy against me, I told him my story, hoping to convert him away from this evil goverment. He gave me a funny look, and asked me weather I'd been drinking. I could see that he didn't belive me, so I drove as fast as i could away from him. I know that the goverment must be against me, because yet more cars showed up and tried to get me to stop!
I could see that this conspiracy went far, I managed to get away from the Manic cops, I spent the night in a motel, I did not sleep much

--------------------

Da' Green Dude
- "The Conspiracy Goes On"

[Dreadnaught]

Greb- heh. :D

[platipus]

Originally posted by moonsinger
Where do you think those microwave weapons coming from?


...oh, err.... you telling me you never watched Men in Black? You're obviously one of those gullible fools who thinks CNN is news :p

[sungkathak]

I failed to log in. I have to register with another name in another email address. A technique harassment? Don't know.

Intimidation

Anthrax was first said could be gotten from 30 to 40 places in US which are produced for medical purpose. But the one used in letter to Senator is weapon grade, which means maybe only one secret lab involved. Perhaps that's why investigators early said the highly refined strain of anthrax bacteria could only have been produced by labs in US, Russia and Iraq, but now believe it could "be from anywhere". And also, it could be done in "any lab with equipment worth as little as $2500." But that raises one question: if it's that easy to access, why it hasn't been used by terrorist?

Now the perpetrator is defined as a "lone wolf". The result maybe like the case of assassination of President Kennedy. A scapegoat like Oswald to be found to finish the case.

After I put my opinion about this anthrax attack,(about one comment each week) someone put two follow-up:

Quote,"PalpableEvil Nov 9, 2001 GMT (#24 of 28)
Listen to me very carefully. You need to seek help from a professional psychiatrist. Please do it as soon as possible. You are suffering from a mental disorder known as acute paranoia. Please get help before you become a danger to your wife or family. Your life does not have to be this way. Things can be better. You have to take the first step to help yourself.

PalpableEvil </WebX?- 03:55am Nov 16, 2001 GMT )
Perhaps you did not read my message with the attention you should have given it. I strongly suggest that you see a psychiatrist before you endanger your family .
Must I warn you again? "

To set up a case of family tragedy of "murder and suicide "? I don't know. But I believe my comments make them very much uneasy.

[Dragon Revisited]

I don't think you should be able to post conspiracy theories until you have at least 500 posts. ;)

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by sungkathak
I failed to log in. I have to register with another name in another email address. A technique harassment? Don't know.


Trust me, Infogrames has better things to do.

But the one used in letter to Senator is weapon grade, which means maybe only one secret lab involved. Perhaps that's why investigators early said the highly refined strain of anthrax bacteria could only have been produced by labs in US, Russia and Iraq, but now believe it could "be from anywhere".


Are you stupid? Check the facts on my last post in this thread. It's now widely know that the inhalation anthrax used is the Ames strain, from Iowa. Not from some "secret lab", it was found on a dead cow in 1979 and bred.

And also, it could be done in "any lab with equipment worth as little as $2500." But that raises one question: if it's that easy to access, why it hasn't been used by terrorist?

As I said in my last post, the chemical agents required to transport the inhalation versions are somewhat difficult to make or get, whether they are synthesized for this purpose alone or are modified industrial chemicals. It's just plain difficult to do. It's easy to get the Ames strain, however it's hard to transport it.

You really can't make up this stuff dealing with current events, Kat, there are just too many facts that refute you. Keep on making up the stories about Isotope money from your computer down south.



After I put my opinion about this anthrax attack,(about one comment each week) someone put two follow-up:

~snip~

To set up a case of family tragedy of "murder and suicide "? I don't know. But I believe my comments make them very much uneasy.

They make them uneasy 'cause they're afraid that you're a nut and you're going to hurt someone.

[Hotfoot]

Hey Kat, why not try giving out some actual evidence? You know, something that would be, at the very least, be difficult to fake. All you're doing is providing speculation on events that you don't seem to understand very well. How about pictures? Signed testimonies? Tape recordings? You can't honestly expect anyone to really believe anything you say without some sort of credibility, either from an already established relationship or hard, solid evidence.

Or perhaps you believe that most water is HHO and not HOH? :rolleyes:

Basically, you're giving the US government too much credit. Just because George Washington was a Freemason does not mean the US government is in with the Illuminati and out to take over the world.

Do you have PGP? How about RSA? Do you encrypt ANYTHING, or are you just not that paranoid yet? They have 4096-bit encryption packages for people like you, you know. And if you knew the slightest thing about cryptography, you'd know that it would take several million times longer than the lifespan of the universe to crack that stuff with what we've got today.

Now then, why, pray tell, would the government even bother with harassing you like this? Are you a drug lord? A gun runner? Relative of either? Close friend, perhaps? If they wanted you dead, there are a million easier ways to get the job done. Want to hear them?

-Poison: If they know you, they know your routine. Eat out much? They can have a mole working on the grill ready to slip you something that will give you a nasty heart attack. Something I doubt people would take as a surprise. There's hundreds of poisons and biochemical agents they could use on you that wouldn't even hurt your dog after you're gone.

-Random drive by: Yup, just get some punks loaded for bear and tell them you're a rival gang-banger. If there's any problem from the punks (worried about them squealing, for example), the feds can gun them down and say it was a retribution strike.

-Oops, you used Firestone tires on your SUV!: Slip some mechanics into your local station, have them fit your car with faulty equipment, and let nature take its course.

-Dodge this: Simple, efficient, you were resisting arrest, no questions asked, shot between the eyes. Or in the back.

-Shocking: they set up your lamp/TV/computer/car/whatever to give you a lethal shock the next time you use it. Or better yet, if your computer has a cathode ray tube, it could explode right into your face. Meanwhile, you're permenantly blinded, or an "accident" can happen on the operating table. And believe it or not, rigging a CRT to explode is dead easy, you just move one wire.

-Institutionalization: Lock you up in a nut house, kill you through electroshock therapy if you get to be too much of a problem.

-Don't drop the soap: send you to jail, where you meet Bubba and Leroy. Given what you've described of your life, I'd say that if they don't have enough evidence to send you up for a little while, they've been wasting their time bothering you for all these years.

-Reality check: Yes, they could just call up AOL and make your mother pull your access from the net for being a bad little boy. Ah well, at least you're not pretending to be a 13 year old girl in a sex chat...


...or are you? :confused:

Anyway, give us evidence and give us proof. Until then, you're just spouting nonsense.

-Hotfoot
"Liar"

[sungkathak]

Someone talked about proof already. I have made an answer on Oct. 22. Please go there and read.

Yes, all these traditional way of murder are possible. Why they don't use it, you have to ask them. There must be some reason. But is it stupid to ask people, why terrorist not target white house or neuclear power station but to WTO, or why didn't they use bio-tech weapon or chemical weapon to attack. You have to ask terrorist themselves.

[sungkathak]

43. Recent development of anthrax attack.

It's dismay to learn that 94-year old woman died of anthrax on Nov. 21. She is a white. A response again to my post: "In my experience, scapegoat used to be minority, mostly black people. Hope this won't cause another cover up operation. (first put into internet on Nov. 13)"?

Her mysterious death is similar to Nguyen's, with no access to contamination of anthrax bacteria. Old, alone, an easy victim for a biology weapon murder. It's also an intimidation : They don't care to expand the bio-tech killing out of normal way.

On Nov. 16, an anthrax letter to Senator Leahy was found. Leahy is Chairman of justice committee which oversees Federal law enforcement agency. A right target to intimidate.

44. My tenant

As early as 1991, I noticed that friends and relatives were intimidated and estranged from me. And it's secret police' rule to stay as close as possible to monitor, either in living house or working place. In about 1993, there was a young man M often came alone to my house doing missionary work. Since other people came once, then never showed up again,(must have been interviewed and intimidated by surveillance agent) I thought he was an undercover. After I abandoned my work, fearing there would be a murder, he came again, this time with a strong man. M introduced him as his partner. For the first time, he asked me to let them into the house. I refused. I was afraid there would be a violence to me in the house. M never came to mission since.

My current tenant T rented a bedroom of my house two years ago when I was in South-east Asia. In same period, new neighbor moved into the house next to mine. To my experience, they are someone with special mission. He was a good tenant anyway. Visitors were rare. He always stay at his room. Never go outside except buying food or going to work. (Even in week ends) On Nov. 8, he came back home with a man. He said it's his former colleague, happened renting a bedroom in next house. I don't believe coincidence for a long time. The man's strong body remind me of the M's partner several years ago. I waited for his leaving until midnight. I told him I didn't want to see him again in my house because his late staying harassed my family. I did this out of security reason. Then on Nov.9 and Nov.16, two messages in web sites suggested I was a danger to my family. Which just convinced me that my worry is not over-sensitive. It's a reaction to my opinion on anthrax attack.

45. Tenant

I used to have lunch at 1 o'clock and supper at 7. T (tenant) used to have his at 2 and 10, rarely bothering us. At about Oct 19, he came down when I had my lunch. I thought he must have something to talk to me. He made it very straight. "What's your opinion about anthrax attack?" I made it straight too. "It's not from OBL terrorist, that's for sure. I think it's Federal law enforcement agency did it. They have motive and resource." I give him my reason. Anthrax was a hot topic with pages of them on newspaper then. I was worried about the safety of my relatives, four of them worked in post office. Though I was estranged from friends and relatives for a long time, there was one advantage: I don't have to guess true or false if they had a question. There was a purpose always. It seemed they really did something in anthrax attack that they even asked my opinion. That's why I broke the sequence of my thread starting on anthrax topic.

Several days later, T came down again when I had my lunch. He said he had seen such a news that morning: government arrested three people. One of them was suspicious because he held an envelope far from him with fear. And police found it was anthrax. These people came from middle east. So no doubt terrorist did anthrax attack. I said it was more like a cover up case. It was easy for law enforcement agent finding some Islamites eager to revenge and disguised as a scientist to sell them some anthrax to make a case. It would not resolve the motive and resource of recent anthrax attack. I pointed out that what I expected or worried about in last discussion came true or got a quick cover up response. (In 'Anthrax crisis 1, first posted on Oct. 21) T's story of anthrax attack by terrorist has ever shown in newspaper, though I saw several times in web sites.

Then happened on Nov. 8 that his friend coincidently moving into my next house. T worked from 3 pm to 5 pm, two hours a day for food delivery. His friend is said unemployed. The first day they met, his friend stayed until midnight at my house. He could have stayed whole day everyday since if I would allow him to.

Then followed by PalpableEvil's intimidation on Nov.9 and Nov. 16. (see "42. intimidation").

On Nov. 18, there was another message from:
Quote,"texaswildkat (47/F/Houston, Texas) 11/18/01 10:28 pm
I have passed your message along to a friend of mine who is undercover at the Sacramento Police Department. Either they, or another undercover investigator in the area, may contact you. Do not be afraid. Just tell them your story and I am sure they will help you. They may want to take you somewhere where you will be safe. Please trust them. Your friend "
I would rather take it a serious matter than a redicule. When all these came together, I don't think it's a coincidence. I don't want disappeared mystically like Chandra Levy.

[Moonsinger]

Still, no alien from outer space yet.:(

[Dragon Revisited]

Originally posted by moonsinger
Still, no alien from outer space yet.:(

That's because the aliens cover their tracks better than the government. Or they plant false evidence to point the finger at the government. :confused:

Or they've discovered strong earth alcohol and they just don't care anymore. :(

[kr4z3d]

wtf?

smells like one of my old style emails, jeeze trippy. :bulb:

[Dreadnaught]

Kat- again, I can't tell if you think we are stupid or just don't keep up with the news.

The woman most likely got the anthrax from cross contamination, just as many of the cases have been. An anthrax-tainted letter was found within a mile from the woman's home and other letters have revealed traces. Thus, it is looking like the post office there was contaminated.

Now, first off, it's WTC, not WTO.

Second off, the did target the White House, however, witnesses say that the positioning of the White House relative to where the plane was coming from made it hard to hit. The plane made a dive, flew over. The pilot, realizing that fighters were probably mobilizing, saw the Pentagon and maybe decided that it was the next best thing.

Why they don't use chemical or biotechnology weapons is exactly what you've been saying: they don't have them!! You say that it's the government, but then blame the terrorists? :rolleyes:

[One_Bad_Aiel]

I love your posts kat. They're the highlights of my day at times.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Which reminds me, what's happened here. We've gone for a few days without him. Sad.

[Dreadnaught]

He stops by infrequently. After all, he has perhaps dozens of other boards where he spews the same crap. I guess he's just slow and it takes him a while.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

He should ask the government to clone him. That way, he'd get more work done.

[Rudedawg]

Thats it! :( I wandered in here because i was procrastinating about getting back to work. It's all very entertaining and a totall relief from reality, but now i hate wasting the time.

Kat!! Kill yourself and save your family from the Government!!:D

[sungkathak]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
Kat- again, I can't tell if you think we are stupid or just don't keep up with the news.

The woman most likely got the anthrax from cross contamination, just as many of the cases have been. An anthrax-tainted letter was found within a mile from the woman's home and other letters have revealed traces. Thus, it is looking like the post office there was contaminated.

Now, first off, it's WTC, not WTO.

Second off, the did target the White House, however, witnesses say that the positioning of the White House relative to where the plane was coming from made it hard to hit. The plane made a dive, flew over. The pilot, realizing that fighters were probably mobilizing, saw the Pentagon and maybe decided that it was the next best thing.

Why they don't use chemical or biotechnology weapons is exactly what you've been saying: they don't have them!! You say that it's the government, but then blame the terrorists? :rolleyes:

No letters found in all five deaths. No death in those whom were targets of anthrax letters.

In above description(old lady's death, Pentagon not White house bombed) the way you used to reason is the same I used in my way.

It's WTC, not WTO. A mistake.

[sungkathak]

On Sept. 18, taking advantage of 911 WTC bombing, perpetrator mailed letters to NBC news. The anthrax inside was brown granular which might mean perpetrator intending at first not to kill but to intimidate.
Perhaps disappointed with little reaction, they did it again(on Oct. 8), this time with a military grade anthrax. The letter to Senator Daschle and Leahy contained fine, white powder which mixed with a material designed to kill. And a man, Bob Stevens, died of anthrax on Oct. 5. His death caused fear of bio-chem attack nation wide. Anthrax crisis reached its peak on about Oct. 20, then faded away. During the period, it created a situation of bio-attack horror, put a pressure on legislation to pass through "patriot Act" to let Justice Department having more police power, push media and public to support government's war policy and also gave an excuse for government to extend war to Iraq. (The "Patriot Act" was proposed on Sept. 24 and passed in legislature on Oct.24. US started war in Afghan on Oct. 7)

Rosenberg, a biologist, has testified on biological weapons before Congress, has recently published a paper contending that a government insider; or someone in contact with an insider, is behind the lethal attacks." (Excerpt from: San Jose Mercury News, page 9A,Dec. 2,2001. Topic:'Inside job probed in anthrax attack') One official (law enforcement agency) called Rosenberg theory " the most likely hypothesis".

I believe the anthrax attack was done by Federal law enforcement agency. They have motives and resources.
They are the one to be benefitted by the attack. They expanded their power by creating public's fear. They intimidated the media and legislation which are the check and balance to their power. They have the authority to access the secret lab under the name of 'security'. (like the case of Wen Ho Lee.)

And
1. The first victim is an editor of tabloid, a dislike of powerful US celebrities. His wife was the manager of apartments which had been rented to some 911 terrorists. He was possibly under FBI's surveillance. (consider thousand of aliens who even had no relationship to terrorist were detained by FBI)

2. Government released information that Atta visited crop duster aircraft. Hinted Al-quada relating to bio warfare. Matching perpetrators' intention to owe it to 911 terrorists.

3. Government released conflict information. Such like at first they said the material mixed in anthrax was bentonite, purposely to target at Iraq. Then admitted the material was silica, not used by Iraq, but US. It may proved that the perpetrators are not expert, only know little about the anthrax they were using and gave a wrong information when they making use of it.

4. At the same time, government released information that Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat. It matched the theory of bentonite, made Iraq a big suspect.

Most of these information can be only released by intelligence.

5. . Though government said first that there were 30 to 40 places had access to the anthrax and much more people could produce it by cheap equipment, it's only an excuse that they are unwill to find real criminal. The anthrax in Senator's letter is military grade. A fruit of years' research and experiment. And even in US there maybe only one secret lab carrying it. And access to it must be very strict.

6. US rejected a UN resolution condemning the anthrax attack. For what reason they did so if it's done by OBL, Al-quada, or domestic pertetrators? Unless it's done by they themselves.

7. My personal experience told it was a practice of Federal law enforcement agency. From their swift response to my comments. And I think they originally only planned one death(Bob Stevens) to raise the public attention and fear. The later four deaths were cover up to the comment " Least casualties to raise public's scare".

This elected government administration tries to hide something from people. They started a war but failed to give evidence, said that was for safety of informant. Then they want a military tribunal, what secret do they want to keep even they win a war? On Dec. 10, newspaper reported that Russian scientists had helped OBL to produce anthrax. Workshop was bombed away in war, but unknown quantity of anthrax might have been in abroad already. There was no detail, obviously let out by military or intelligence. An attemption to owe anthrax attack to terrorist when they failed to find a scapegoat of lone wolf? Perhaps that's why they limited media's report in Afghan war, and want a secret court. When US is the strongest power in the world, why there are so many things to be hided? If we have reason believe those who being sent to court are guilty, a military court only covers up corrupt government and criminal activities of it's official.

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by sungkathak


No letters found in all five deaths. No death in those whom were targets of anthrax letters.

Okay, now you're really out of touch.:rolleyes:

Though not as bad as your theory that Dan Rather used influence to personally target you. :D

Ladies and Gentlemen! The nuthead is back!

[One_Bad_Aiel]

And I thought you were gone for good, you little weirdo.

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by sungkathak
1. The first victim is an editor of tabloid, a dislike of powerful US celebrities. His wife was the manager of apartments which had been rented to some 911 terrorists. He was possibly under FBI's surveillance. (consider thousand of aliens who even had no relationship to terrorist were detained by FBI)

"aliens"??? as of outter space aliens? Anyway, your logics suck! The fact that his wife was the manager of the apartment which had been rented to the terrorists has nothing to do with why her husband was being targeted by the terrorists???

[Rudedawg]

:confused: What logic?:bulb:

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by rudeddawg
:confused: What logic?:bulb:
Sorry, my mistake! Kat has no logic!:D

[Trip]

I think he means 'aliens' in the sense of 'non-US-citizens' here inside the US.

Even if all this isn't true, it still makes you think...
After all... what would be stopping the government, should they do things like these? Well?

[MICHAELJLS]

they can all suck my ballzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,,,hope the all fall off the end of earth:)they are the biggest LOSERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.................lol:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Rudedawg]

Originally posted by Trip
what would be stopping the government, should they do things like these? Well?

Gumints like very rich or very famous people can do what they want. But i have to believe even the US govt. is capable of eliminating any one person in a innocent appearing way without being totally bumbling idiots. Even i could arrange to drive over kat in a parking lot for an example and be an "accident" that would not have anyone claiming conspiracy.;)

[Dreadnaught]

Heh, you could spare him to screw with his head. I can see it now...

49. The car swipe.

I with my wife in parking lot in Virginia...er...I mean Thialand. Car comes to me and, taking advantage of 911 attacks as distraction, hits me. I think this was the government working with Dan Rathers to silence me, but they failed...

:D

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by Trip
I think he means 'aliens' in the sense of 'non-US-citizens' here inside the US.
Don't be silly! Of course, I know that and most readers here know that, but does Kat know that?;)

[sungkathak]

Originally posted by moonsinger


"aliens"??? as of outter space aliens? Anyway, your logics suck! The fact that his wife was the manager of the apartment which had been rented to the terrorists has nothing to do with why her husband was being targeted by the terrorists???

Please catch the point. That Stevens was possible under surveillance of FBI, that Federal law enforcement agent is likely behind anthrax attack, that Stevens was chosen as a sacrifice to rise bio-chem warfare horror.

[sungkathak]

47. Swift response

When I talked about swift response of cover up, (see #39. Anthrax crisis, who has motive and resource) there were more.

1. Two weeks ago I talked about T had his meal time different from our's. He then got a full time job. He now has his supper when we have our's despite inconvenience of a crowded kitchen. (See #45. Tenant)

2. I talked about Linda Trip on #29. "I am you, American.". Next day, eye catching thread about her news were posted next to my thread in web-sites I went.

Quote, "Your Tripp Needs YOU! Msg #629164 To: All 1 reply From: Jon fredersen <ProfileResults.asp?SRV=Republicans&HMN=626892&UID=jonfredersen> 10:18 p.m. on 22-Aug-2001

Ah, how have the beloved icons of Republican hate Clinton campaigns fallen in the esteem of their former friends....."

Quote,"1 of 20. dwbh <user.php?op=userinfo&uname=dwbh> Point Pleasant, NJ |
Posted: 2001-08-23 13:03
LINDA TRIPP BEGS FOR A JOB
By NEAL TRAVIS and WILLIAM NEUMAN

August 22, 2001 -- Sexgate squealer Linda Tripp is crying poverty in a fund-raising letter sent to Republican supporters - in which she says she can no longer pay her rent, buy food or support her family....."

I don't know if losing a job can prove she is not a "volunteer". What impressed me was the swift cover up reaction. It seems there is a pretty big team working surveillance on me.

3. About in October, G-lady and her husband visited us. The husband lost his lucrative contract one month ago. He is a computer programme designer and got the contract about six years ago, about the time G-lady guided my wife to the tour company which had trouble later. How lucrative the contract was? They lived in a nice location and their children are all attending private school. G-lady doesn't have a formal job. She works as an outside sales for tour company. May be paid only several hundred dollars a month. Her husband has never come to my home before. This sudden visit must had some intention. To prove me something like Linda trip's? A month ago? I recalled it was the time I posted the message"32. Operation Fire Dragon". I don't believe coincidence. I don't know how Federal law enforcement agency's policy how to treat their paid or unpaid volunteers. But if Mrs. Churchill could allegedly been put to death just out of suspicion, what else can't they do?


48. Test

Last week end, B (my Youngest brother in law) came to my house, he dropped a gift for my daughter at doorway then left.

Another relative of my wife came the other day, dropped a bag of gifts at doorway and left right away too.
We rarely met her and never exchange X'mas gift. It was a big surprise she came to my house.

I get used to these scenes since 1991. People are intimidated. I think they were forced to do this. Though the pressure never stopped, I feel extra heavy after I comment the anthrax attack was likely from federal law enforcement agency. It looks like they try to circle profitable source while they are framing new case. B is a business man and the relative's husband is a doctor. They are rich.

I worry about B's family because they'll take a cruise trip next week. It's easy to make an accident in travel. B is a work addict. He works seven days a week. He never takes a fun trip for missing a business day, especially in hard time after 911. I knew it's against his will. I hope there will be no accident in plane or ship which in a time easily owing it to terrorist.

49. Frame attemption (continue to "37. Manipulate Bank operation")

In early this month (Dec. 2001), there was a news in World Journal (Chinese newspaper) which said that FBI was one step away to have the permission of Chinese government to allow a FBI representative in US Embassy in Beijing. The title of representative was Legal Attache. Now I understand why US Consulate in Bankok wanted me wrote to Legal Attache and why there was no response from him.

Back to March 14, 2000, when I had no response from Legal Attache and Visa date was due. I went to Burma through a port named Ranong. The police in custom told me I was not allowed to go to Rangoon unless I took part in a state running tour. I went to MTT(state travel agency). They asked 350 for a two days tour. That amount was one month's living cost when I drifted in South East Asia. I couldn't afford it especially I couldn't get remittance from my wife then. I went to airline ticket office, they said all flights were cancelled. I was locked in Ranong. I had a feeling it was a revenge of my complain letter but didn't expect more serious event was waiting for me. Since I couldn't go any further in Burma, I went back to Thailand the same day.

Next day, I took bus to Bangkok. A young man with cap tried to talk to me. Thought he might be a detective, I turned away from him. To my surprise, he kept follow me, tried to stand beside me all the time when we took a break. Next morning, a newspaper was put at my door. Since the guesthouse I stayed were all cheap one, (only about 5 dollars a day) an English newspaper was a luxury. I thought someone wanted me read it. An article got my attention which said that on way from Ranong to Bangkok, police had seized a record haul of drugs. Two men involved spoke Thai with heavy Chinese accent. They fled after they asked to go to toilet. I recalled the young man's strange behavior, and guessed they might try to connect me to that case.

On March 18, I was in Canchanenbury, visiting Bridge of River Kwai. In the dining-room of guesthouse when guests were watching TV, in dim light I saw a young man with cap came in whom was identical to one I met in bus rest area. That night about 3 am.I was awoke by a large noise. Some one talking loudly, walking back and forth at my door. The room I stayed was a bungalow built above River Kwai connecting with others by wooden boardwalk. The walking steps made a large noise in midnight. It was obviously an attempt to lure me out. Fearing there might be a violence waiting for me, I stayed inside. Next day, I complained to manager of guesthouse. She introduced me to Papa. Papa was a western about in his fifties. He said,"You should go out, tell them stop talking." I suddenly was aware that what they needed was that I being outside at midnight talking with someone placed there so they could take a photo. I moved to another guesthouse that day.

On Mar. 20, I was back in Bangkok. I went to National library reading newspapers. When I finished reading it was about 7 pm, I was horrible to find the whole reading room was empty, the only other reader was that young man who was sitting next to me. Three times he tried to stay beside me. You can not explain this a coincidence. In south-east Asia, though I was still under surveillance of local police, I didn't care because I did nothing wrong. But to frame me up in a drug case, that was different. I was in panic.

[Hazir]

One of these days I am going to read this entire thread and I will be looking out for differences in the way people react to Kat before and after 9/11. It could be interesting :D

[Dreadnaught]

I got the 200th post!

Hazir- most of the reactions have been the same, really, though he started hounding on the government more using Sept. 11.

Kat- you didn't acknowledge one of my points!!

BTW, the fact that you're stuff keeps on giving you a role in increasingly more famous situations is...well, mental. Actually, it's rather like old TV shows. Once they begin to run out of ideas, celebreties come on to try to spice things up a bit.

[Trip]

He just had to bring this one back... :o

[AR81]

COINCIDENCES, NOT CONSPIRACY :eek:

This year I passed through a terrible series of coincidences that led me to think about a conspiracy theory but it was just a series of coincidences.

I posted against arabs and terrorists.
Then my email was hacked, I received strange calls, a guy with my very same name died a few miles away from home and the car which killed him ran away.

I also must tell you there were some guys with a suspecting attitude when I got off from the bus by that time. One of them had a noticeable chin. Some time later some news told there was a gang which commited some crimes around that bus stop.

Strange calls were from the exboyfriend of my exgirlfriend.
Email was hacked and I complained to ISP company so the problem was over.
A guy with my name died and that's terrible.

I go on with my life because I dreamed I would reach year 2043.

I should be very important if there would be a conspiracy against me. But I am not so important. Just an average guy with average life.

I only regret to post about the death of that guy because people thought it was me. When I told them it was not me after a week, when things got clarified, I lost some friends in this forum.

I thought it could be arabs. After all my country is known for being paradise of criminals. But those facts clarified revealed no conspiracy and that makes me feel like a stupid.

I realize that sometimes terrible coincidences just happen, as it happened to me. But it was just a coincidence.
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KATHAKSUNG

Being under 24 hours surveilance must be expensive.
If that looting stuff is real, how much profit they have obtained from you?
Considering the amount of money criminals use to have could it be some sort of vendetta for having that person caught by the law?
I bet mobs are to be more easily responsible for harrasment than government. Government act under a budget, mobs act for money, power and irrational emotions.

Did you know that you are exposed to radiation when you look at the screen when your computer is turned on?
My experience is that a TV or computer turned on generate magnetic fields that don't allow you to sleep, or sleep becomes unease.

Why they should use a hi-tech killing technique? If anyone dies there will be autopsy and investigation, specially if it is due to radiation exposure. That's a very uncommon way to die. If anyone wanted to kill you there should be cheaper ways which wouldn't cause you to be on the headlines.

All your arguments don't make too much sense. I feel there is incomplete data based on facts and too much of a guess.
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HI-TECH JOKING

How about inventing the following:

Isotope blankets: No plate around a bed can protect you. Even special "bead curtains" which deflect microwave radiation and block infrared sensing equipment manufactured by Dragon Revisited are uneffective against that.

Hellicopter surveilance for porcelain: Porcelain is know for being fragile. It must be protected against cracks and scratches, specially if it is expensive.
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A GOOD NOVEL

You could write a novel with that story instead of posting it.

In my opinion it could mean some profit for you if it becomes a best seller.

However, the details of the novel must be science based, so there is no other explanation to those facts. A novel also allows to add an emotional component so the reader might be involved with the characters.

That way many people may know about your theories without calling you an insane guy.

If I believe your story or not is not relevant. Considering what you post it is real for you, no matter if it is or not, and that's sad because it makes you to experience a personal tragedy. I suggest to track any single data to an end. For example, if anyone is following you with a radiation gun, you stop your car and go for them. If they don't want a cheap murder that might raise investigations, they won't kill you.

You better write a novel and uncover those who are chasing you instead of hiding. The worst thing that could happen is to die. If it is true you die because of their weapons in one way or another. Else you will find peace.

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It is easier and cheaper to be tracked without notice via internet than being pursued by a hellicopter or a car with agents and secret weapons.

What makes you feel safer on the net?
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Have you ever noticed there were similarities in the death of Lincoln and Kennedy? What government institution killed Lincoln? Was it the same one which killed Julius Caesar?

Another coincidence:
Have you ever noticed that japanese in WWII and arabs today are both fanatical suicidal guys with a political/religious leader?? They are like the Klingons. Is it a time conspiracy led by Klingons?? :eek:

"Operation Fire Dragon"?? Is it the operation to fire Dragon Revisited?? :D

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JOKES ON SMUGGLING

Did you know that "Spaceweed" is a forbidden substance in the "X-beyond the frontier" universe? D@mn!! I am being pursued by the space patrols!!!

-Drop the cargo, drop the cargo!!!
-Excuse me what was your name???
-Han Solo.

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YOU WANT US ALL DEAD??

kathaksung posted:

"Since I revealed the dark side of Federal law enforcement agency, I have a feeling they will eliminate those who know my story. "

So you want all of us to be dead?
Isn't it enough for you to have your own personal tragedy?
Suppossing it is true, you want to drag us, innocent people, to death??

If some agents suddenly enter my house, am I supposed to say "believe me, I don't believe what that guy is saying"?

I am not from USA and I'm never been there. I have seen the product of cold war in third world countries due to news and geographical proximity and I find your story hard to believe.

So, it is 11:45 pm and I feel asleep, I better go to bed before microwaves kill me.

If we got paid to discredit you we should be like the rich and famous, unfortunately I haven't found yet anyone who may sponsor such discredit... If anyone knows where should Iget paid for such discredit I might gladly listen... I guess I am doing this for free in the meantime.

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Dreadnaught - This is the first time I read this thread. I find his arguments to be nonsense. It was like a mexican conference which was supposed to happen on WTC and it was forwarded to me.

That conference was a criticism against USA during the sad times of WTC. I replied to the one who sent it and I gave historical reasons about why that mexican guy was pi$$ing off the toilet. Those arguments were senseless too.

I guess this is the last time I read thisthread seriously. May be the next time I post here would be to invent a new joke.

May be this agent stuff is caused by the Matrix. Oh no!! I will be disconnected from the matrix...!!! NOOOOO!!!

PD: Huh!!! And I thought I was a freak... but now I see I am closer to normal people...

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Elanya Rodillia posted:

"And what normal citizen in South America (or anywhere else, for that matter) illegally buys automatic weapons?"

May be they are filming a latinamerican movie regarding any revolutionary leader and they bought real weapons and ammo to add realism to the movie?

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Dragon Revisited posted:

"ignorance is the fertile garden of paranoia"

I am not that ignorant and I am still paranoid, AAAAARGH!!
I NEED A PSYCHIATRIST, URGENTLY!!
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I am an alien, by posting here I am revealing my true identity. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Part 578383: Agents are going after me due to COSA fleet dealer

After a few connections with space criminals at the nearest space station, it seemed that COSA fleet dealer was in the next seat while we waited for the next transport to Uranus.

Then the cops came and mistaken me with COSA fleet dealer so I was taken to prison at the Io moon where I am supposed to die due to magnetic radiation.

PD: Earth government seems quite evil from that point of view.
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moonsinger posted:

"Still, no alien from outer space yet"

WHAT!! I AM AN ALIEN FROM OUTER SPACE!! I just told you!! I can prove it, my blood is green and I am 80 feet tall.
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I've been talking to the producers of the movie "Multiplicity" to see if we could clone him. Negotiations failed.
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We still can collect $0.50 for each member. May be in a few million years we might gather enough money to clone him.
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Could kathaksung be connected with the murder of Christ?
Did the romans have nukes?
Did ninjas invent covert ops?
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Could kathaksung posts be considered like spamming?
Or just plain annoyance?

[AR81]

Part 509858960984956
A new supernova explosion occurred at the vicinity of XPNGHF344645 stellar system. It is suspected that some Earthlings beamed some microwave ray that made the sun unstable to the point of exploding. Apparently a secret organization that is after you is completely responsible for that. They are also using that device on you.

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Part 509858960984957
A new spot appeared on Jupiter. Apparently, the same microwave device is responsible for the new hurricane. Due to the ecological disaster in a few thousand miles we are not going to see those cute floating elephants anymore.

[kathaksung]

Ar81,

Surprise to see such a long article. As for cheap way to kill, I think I have answered that question for more than two times. Please review the messages.

I found it's conflict that you suggest to write a novel while say I'm insane. Do you mean a man with mental disorder can publish a great novel? Am I real crazy to read and understand this way or you have a mental problem? There must be someone confused the logic. Hope I could be normal after talk with you.

[kathaksung]

The newspaper suddenly surged with reports that a lot of drugs were imported from north countries of Burma and Laos, and arrests were made in boundary with Malaysia and Cambodia. The police were intensifying patrol there. I knew it was pre-propaganda for the arrest. They were determined to frame me in a drug case. What could I do, in a country not much people speak English. I thought it over and over and decided to seek asylum. At least let some people know the true story.

On Mar. 22, 2000, I went to Foreign Ministry of Thailand, seeking for asylum. The man received me was Vathayudh of North America Division. I told him about the torture of high tech weapons which made me leaving US and the attempt of framing case in Thailand. He was shocked and said this was his first experience of hearing such a story. He repeatedly asked me did I feel the radiation torture on the time I left US. I thought it might be very important for asylum case. Then he said he must discuss with his supervisor. Next day, he told me that my case should be resolved in Interior Ministry. I checked the book in library and found it controlled police and investigate bureau. The Bureau of investigation was the counterpart of FBI, and the one, I alleged, set up the frame case against me. It was no difference than to complain a murder case to the murderer. I hesitated. I wouldn't have to hesitate long. The newspaper then reported the scandal of the Interior minister of Thailand. He was accused of holding unreported property. (In Thailand, minister must publicize their private property.) It immediately became a hot issue, within days, the Interior Minister resigned. An American seeking asylum was a big event, the minister would involve in. Interior Minister was political assigned, would be an obstacle for Bureau of Investigation in a frame case. In US, I was delivered the word that they even killed President Kennedy. I believe so with my own experience. So when later President Clinton was in Lewinsky scandal and almost was impeached, I knew who was behind it. Now in Thailand, it seemed same thing happened. I gave up the idea of seeking asylum. And I wondered what's wrong with the system of democratic countries.

[Dreadnaught]

:rolleyes:

[AR81]

President Kennedy

Were you involved with that president in any possible way? Then you are older than I thought.

So when later President Clinton was in Lewinsky scandal and almost was impeached, I knew who was behind it

Oh!! I understand!! The one who killed Kennedy was after president Clinton and you??

Do you mean a man with mental disorder can publish a great novel?

May be. Insanity allows to create a new dimension of art.

you have a mental problem?

Yeah, my problem is that I usually say what I think.
The other problem is that I might be a freak.
I have not gathered enough evidence that help me to state or discard that possibility.

torture of high tech weapons

Oh, yeah. My government use to pursue me by sending me girls who just left me while I was in love. They are spying me to see if I have any political connection with a time travel complot to avoid humanity to pollute Mars.

for cheap way to kill, I think I have answered that question for more than two times

No, your arguments are not convincing.
No one would spend thousands of dollars in a John Doe who came out of nowhere.
Haven't you seen too many spy movies?

The simpler the solution, the most likely it could be the truth.

Else I could think that you came from an alternate reality to convince us to chance space/time so we enter in your reality timeline instead of the one that was meant for us.


He was accused of holding unreported property.

I was accused of having unreported income from a company I have never had any relation. I bet that's a company plot to ruin my reputation so I can't be a successful business man and a famous artist. I bet they know that if I got to be so famous, the antiChrist might try to kill me, so they are saving me from such horrible destiny.

Fortunately I clarified that so I can continue my career. They have even tried to limit the bandwidth of visitors who came to my sites. They don't want my art to be so famous. Can't you see? That's a time travel complot against me.

Oh!! I forgot to mention I am the one who designed the procedure to start a Universal Big Bang. I might send you the remote control I designed. Just avoid pushing the red button.

[Lord Tangaroa]

lol, very, very funny, whu dont you come to http://www.tauniverse.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true and tell us all about it.


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[Hazir]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
I got the 200th post!

Hazir- most of the reactions have been the same, really, though he started hounding on the government more using Sept. 11.

I noticed, in a way that is surprising.

[AR81]

I forgot to add...

I was part of Time Imaging Management EXperiment (TIMEX) from your future year 5478.

I was genetically modified to carry a chip implant with a nanocomputer which received signals from special transmitters placed in key areas of the world.

The transmitter was supposed to placed in Costa Rica, but a nav mistake made me to be dropped in Panama when I was 3 years old.

As a 3 year old kid I had to enter a sect from USA composed by Costa Rican people. It was 1974.

In 1975, during the year of the serpent, a member of a family with strong political influence attempted to enter that sect and there was tight opposition from the family so they used their influence to make the sect to be arrested.

So I went to jail in police HQ when I was 4 years old, and the news reported that sect to be expulsed from Panama as they were "drug dealers". Those were the times when Manuel Antonio Noriega ruled that country.

I left my beam locator at this place, before being sent to Costa Rica with the rest of the sect.

Later, enemies from TIMEX used a brain control device still under test to target that beam locator and that caused a USA pilot to drop the bomb on that police HQ years later. enemies of TIMEX wanted Earth to enter their alternate reality which would mean terrible disasters for humanity. Fortunately I escaped.

I suspect that kathaksung is one of them as he is trying to present weird stuff that match with the alternate reality stuff.

TIMEX was an attempt to preserve humanity for the next 5000 years. It is told that during year 6000 an asteroid will impact Earth and if not given some proper chances to tech development, Earth will be unsafe and possibly destroyed. I guess the asteroid that passed near Earth last monday was a warning sent by TIMEX space division.

So I am here to save the Earth from total annihilation

Oh no!!! You now know the truth about me!!! TIMEX is in danger!!

[Trip]

If nothing else, this thread is a good read when I'm bored. :D
That and maybe a warning from TIMEX... :confused:

[AR81]

The transmitter was supposed to broadcast some instructions to TIMEX agents so tech development continue in this world.

One transmitter was placed inside a boulder placed in Aserrí, a few km away from San José.

It has been told that Costa Rica has been saved from many natural disasters due to the action of UFOs, but that's not true. It was made by TIMEX agents.

Hurricanes had been deflected and underground stability has been monitored to avoid that boulder to be damaged.

It is told that some day Costa Rica will enjoy lots of prosperity and it will become a key area during year 3074.

Recent data received told me that an agent called Trip would tell me what was it. Where are you, Trip? How did you got in touch with TIMEX? What's your story? What's your mission?

In my case, the enemies of TIMEX, some agents from an alternate reality who are struggling with us to reach their own timeline, just got to cause some disturbing events recently. Earthquakes, El Niño, etc...

We suspect there is a complot of an agency called TEMP (Time Evolution Monitoring Project) which will be created by a timeline that starts in 2003.

They are trying to heat Earth by causing Methane to be set free from the organic sediments placed in the bottom of the sea. Their test area is suspected to be Triangle of Bermuda.

When they started their experiments there, they discovered there was a gas that was set free from the bottom of the ocean that became solid when in contact with the air. That substance was flammable.

Their first test was made after WWII and a big deposit of that gas was blown from the bottom of the ocean, so bubbles started to surface and entered the air. As the gas was flammable, the engines of some lost P-47 ignited the gas as they passed and just exploded in midair with no big debris left.

The waves caused by such bubbles of gas has proven to make even big ships to lose bouyancy and the waves caused makes sea to look strange. That explains the disappearance of many ships too without any trace.

Apparently TEMP agency moved their area of operations to the sea near Africa. TEMP is also trying to promote underground nuke experiments so Earth surface will become unstable.

Apparently TEMP is a martian agency which tries to promote technology required to travel in space because there are strong economical interests regarding the martian economy which would receive more profits as people might want to go to Mars instead of living on Earth.

Trip, if you have any news about TEMP operations, please post here... We must save Earth from destruction from Martian agents...

[Trip]

I am... from the future. It was Year 5479. Official year of the, uh... Year of the Weasel.

Futuristic forces from the Martian planet have sent initial scout waves which have been detected by TIMEX upper command. One year into the TIMEX operation I have been sent to inform you of recent events and to try to stop them before they could ever become a threat.

It was reported that two previous agents from TIMEX have been discovered and killed by hostile forces. Most likely Martian operatives sent to eliminate the threat that TIMEX presents to them and their future.

And now the history of this operation, and the origin of TIMEX.

The main target of TIMEX is the TEMP establishment. They are beginning to develop the technology which brought the Martians back from a previous era, over 4,000 years ago, into their time, which is when they began their operations. I have been sent to warn all TIMEX operatives and to inform you of the plan to destroy TEMP before they set Earth for it's doomed future, in the year 2003.

Initially the Martian forces appeared friendly, and assisted TEMP. However, soon it became clear that the Martians were only using TEMP for their ability to ensure their survival. TEMP never became aware of the plot, until it was annihilated by a Martian space cruiser in the year 2007. At that point the Martians were free to increase their strength and exploit the Earth until it was ready for capture.

The Martian assault wing was prepared by the year 2017, and Earth was slated for destruction one year later. However, a core meltdown in their main base in the city of Xanazdao cause the fleet to be destroyed along with most of their technology. They found themselves more helpless than we humans were at the time, and were forced to build up their might once again.

A mankshift attack fleet was scraped together over 1000 years later, during the peak of mankind's existance. In the year 3074 they sent the fleet to assault the Earth, and they never saw it coming. The powerful Martian fleet posessed incredible weaponry on their ships, and a blast from their capital mothership the Sxanso's Eraser Cannon destroyed the majority of northern Europe in a single shot. The remainder of the ships brought destruction all across the rest of the world. A force was barely brought together in Costa Rica - one of the few areas on Earth still usable - to combat the Martian force.

It seemed impossible, yet somehow this attack managed to destroy the Sxanso, and the Martian fleet was destroyed along with nearly everything of them that existed. It was believed that only 100 or fewer martians remained.

This did not last long, for 1000 years later, Earth was still reeling from the destruction of it's surface, while the Martians did not need fertile soil, air, or nutrients to live and survive off of. Their forces became strong, while the Earth remained at a primitive level estimated around 1960.

One group was created to help bring about the re-birth of humanity, and give it a firm position in the universe. TIMEX was created from the high-technology country of Tansai which is located in what was south-west Canada in the year I have arrived in. This was the only location to retain and grow upon the technology already acquired, and not destroyed during the Second great war. It's goal was to find a way to go back into time, and fix the past, to prevent such a disastrous future for the Earth.

It was nearly 800 years before a breakthrough was achieved, and such a feat was only accomplished at the hands of the incredibly skilled scientists of Tansai. With a large machine (approximately 45 tarkeels, or 1 mile, across), enough energy was produced to create a portal for one brave soul to cross, and he was taken back 5 minutes into the past. It was successful, and the project progressed. Many men were lost between that time and our own, however, and it was over 100 years before time-travel could be efficient and safe. Now all that is needed is a small device about the size of a watch.

That is the history of TIMEX. I must go now. I believe TEMP agents may be on to me, and I must find a safer location to hide until the operation progresses. I will brief you more later. Until Then.

[AR81]

I have been receiving new data from TIMEX.

You have described me a tough reality that made TIMEX to rise.

I have received info on the alternate reality created by TEMP agency.

According to that, TEMP experiments caused Earth to increase overall temperature in 15 C (about 30 F) within 50 years. That caused ice to be melted and sea level was increased in about 10 meters.

As most of important cities were placed near the sea, that represented an important backdraw in global economy. It wasn't safe to establish commerce between continents because tides and weather became terribly unstable and the water level wasn't so easily predictable until the whole process ended.

Tropical places became deserts, cold countries became tropical. Some sports dissapeared and clothing changed. Some places devoted to sports dissappeared.

Mountain ice melted also, causing some floods all around the world.

Weather was unpredictable due to lack of usefull data to forecast.

Military operations between countries became a matter of pure chance without a weather forecast so weaponry industries dedicated all efforts to space exporation research which didn't pose any significant threat due to atmospheric phenomena, except for the spacecraft lift off.

It also delayed the date for the martian attack of 2017 because without all weather sensors (martians have not such problem) they were unable to do any recon after the attack.

That's what has been told to TEMP agents so they firmly believe that they were saving Earth by making their alternate reality to come true.

Space colonies were established despite of constant attacks from Mars. Fortunately Star Wars program hardware was brought to life with some modifications and it gave Earth enough time to establish some military forces in space.

Why there wasn't a martian full scale attack to Earthling forces? Because they were just probing Earthling readiness. They realized that if they attacked the surface campaign would be long and tough. They were not prepared to fight under such tough weather conditions. So a planetary peace agreement was signed.

They had to make weaponry industries not to have too much R&D.

Martians started an underground mass destruction program which remained in secret during many years.

In the meantime commerce and traveling started. Some Earthling colonists were established on Mars as a sign of good will.

As Earth conditions became tough and tropical diseases started to spread, many people traveled to Mars, leaving Earth unpopulated and many cities became desert wastelands.

Communication between continents was not safe as hurricanes and storms increased. However some years passed and they learned how to have some control on them. That's one of the secrets TIMEX got to acquire from TEMP agents. It is called now "weather warfare". That technique was used during the First Global Civil War.

Also, Martians got to develop some tricks to make surface unstable because they had their own wars too. TEMP agents had some of those secrets which we now named "geological warfare" which was used later during their invasion.

Humans on Mars were treated as second class citizens as they were refugees from a devastated planet. Earthling scientists military people and politicians realized about that and they started some underground R&D on time traveling. As Earth was mostly a wasteland it was not so unsafe for people when accidents ocurred.

They learned to use weather for their own purposes so heat and wind was used to power their devices.

There is another noticeable thing. As Earth became warmer, refrigiration industry became more profitable and that helped some "lords" to arise.

They were like a mob and they continued the usage of CFCs because they were cheaper and the ozone was reduced. Some cases of human mutations started to appear in the tropical areas of the poles. It was tough to live near the equator except they lived in the mountains and still it was a life of isolation and self sufficiency.

Soon radiation illnesses were too common. As people realized about that the First Global Civil War started. However people was just manipulated and that war was just a war between the lords with puppet leaders.

The final result is a devastated Earth and humans living like slaves in Mars or under extreme conditions on Earth. The Earthling pride was no more and there was no more a "home".

After the Second Global Civil War that occurred 30 years later, it was a perfect time for martians to start their invasion. Humans went back to prehistoric technology level as they were caught and used as merchandise. Humans had the same rights of a cow or a pig. Humans were grown in farms where they were some raw materials to Martian industries.

Why are martians so interested on our world? It was the closest world and it offered lots of raw materials to extract. Jupiter and the asteroid belt are too far away so space traveling takes too much time.

Martians use to have a colder world. That's why TEMP agents believe that increasing temperature will do some good. But it is not true.

How do TIMEX knew that? A probe was sent to that alternate reality to collect some data.

We can't really know about TEMP ops until they become evident and we have attempted to warn their agents but we have failed. We just have to stop TEMP agency.

The alternate reality of TIMEX is not a smooth one but TEMP reality is tougher as it will see the end of humanity as we all know it.

Any other agent around who can post?

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by AR81
Any other agent around who can post?

Yes, but that would blow my cover.:)

[Trip]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught


Yes, but that would blow my cover.:) I think we're all working together here. ;)

[AR81]

TIMEX, TEMP or another alternate reality agency?

[Trip]

Uhhh.. :confused:
Pick one. :D

[Hotfoot]

Oh, hey, look, Kathak's posting under his original handle again.

So much for the conspiracy to keep you from posting. :p

[AR81]

Yeah. Kathak thought that changing nick would be safer but it is not.

If anyone was to chase him, there would be two IPs instead of one. That way it would be possible to track his location.

However I think he is not so important so anyone might do so.

May be Kathak is a victim of TEMP agency... hmmm, no... TEMP use to deal with weather warfare and geological warfare. It has nothing to do with microwaves and uneffective weapons.

I would say that this could be a different alternate reality agency which wants to experiment about the effects of radiation on humans, which suggests me that martian by themselves are here using us as lab rats.

Else, it could be a nutty relative of Kathak who worked at a nuclear plant and who steal radioactive material to f*ck him up.

There are not nuclear plants in my country, so his relative must not be here.

[Dreadnaught]

Kat- can you point us to a thread you've posted in which no one has ridiculed you?

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
Kat- can you point us to a thread you've posted in which no one has ridiculed you?
I have never seen Kat post any where else on the Infogrames forums. This thread is his only purpose.

[AR81]

His purpose in life... quite radical!! :eek: :haha:

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by AR81
His purpose in life... quite radical!! :eek: :haha:

He posts this stuff on other message boards around the world. He links them to us sometimes and on everyone he is ridiculed or banned, but he claims that that is just the government hounding him.

So I want him to post on one where his ideas were accepted.

Just do a google search for Kathatsung. :)

[AR81]

He posts this stuff on other message boards around the world. He links them to us sometimes and on everyone he is ridiculed or banned, but he claims that that is just the government hounding him.

TEMP agency is hounding TIMEX.
Martians are hounding humanity.
Kathak has not realized that he was indeed hounded by martians.
Martians are happy because he believes an Earthling government is doing that. That's part of martian ops cover.

So I want him to post on one where his ideas were accepted.

If he would pay people to accept him, acceptance would last until he ran out of money.

Just do a google search for Kathatsung

1.I'm lazy.
2.I have better things to do than chasing him. Changing mankind's fate for example...

Am I being too sarcastic?

At least it made my imagination to work so the TEMP/TIMEX story was born. Let's face it. Creative ideas are born on unusual/unbelievable stuff. Mind must set free from traditional ties so we can create. I guess Trip and me have just made our imagination to fly...

I should be movie scripter, hehe.

[Trip]

I enjoy writing stories of all sorts anyways. :D
I do too much thinking as it is... putting stuff into writing or doing something along the lines of what I'm thinking is my way of entertaining myself most of the time. Well, that's what I tell everyone that says I'm lazy. :D;)

[AR81]

I love writing stories too.
This is the first one I write based on pure sarcasm towards Kathak.
However it is quite interesting indeed. The result was kinda amazing... thanks Trip!!

Don't you miss the next chapter "THE WAR OF THE ALTERNATE TIMELINE AGENCIES"... BWAHAHAHAHA!!! (evil grin)

[Trip]

Sure thing. ;)
It made my evening, to say the least. :D
*Awaits the beginning of the next chapter*...

'Til then... -_^

[kathaksung]

AR81,

Are you coming to harass?

[kathaksung]

I complained persecution from secret police. They managed to turn me into their control. I couldn't go to Malaysia and Cambodia. They made arrest at board reasonable already. They blocked me to Burma. The only exit left was Laos. I bought a small backpack and filled it a full bag. So it would be hard for them to plant anything into it. On April 5, I took a night train to Nong Khai. A city on board with Laos. I could see the night flight light of a helicopter which followed the train. I kept my eye open the whole night, fear they would plant drugs into my bag. I did not buy any drink and food from sellers on train, fear they would put sleeping pill in it. Next morning I reached the board and went into Laos. About in Apr. 9, in Vientien I read "Bankok Post". In an article, a Cabinet member comforted resigned Interior Minister that, 'It's over. Now there will be no more problem for you.' Poor minister, he lost his post in less then 10 days' event. He even didn't know what caused this political storm. Manipulating politicians by secret police seems to be common everywhere. The counterpart of this post in US is General Attorney of Justice department, that's why the nomination of Ashcroft reminded me the experience in Thailand.

And that's why when Ashcroft proposed 'Patriot Act' on Sept. 24 once again reminded me the bitter experience in South-east Asia. In provision, he had sought to allow certain intelligence information gathered overseas to be admitted in US courts even if the method used to get information would, if used in US, violet US Constitution. I broke the sequence to talk about what happened in Thailand.(Started on message 35, 36, 37) In South-East Asia, I was under surveillance by police of all these countries. I didn't care because I didn't do anything wrong. But in some countries, I suffered attemption of high tech. weapon murder and attemption to set me up in drug case. Since I am an US citizen, the local secret police there must have been authorized by Federal law enforcement agency. 'Patriot Act' now gave Federal agent more police power and increased their budget. They could buy more informant and corruptive officials overseas. I worry there will be more frame up cases throw the hands of foreign countries.

I also have a puzzle. Intelligence always benefited from terrorist attack.(more police power and increased budget) In anthrax attack, they released an information that 911 terrorist leader Atta had made contact to Iraq diplomat. They discussed a plot of bombing US broadcast station. I think the release of information was on purpose that Iraq had connection to terrorist so there was excuse to extend war to Iraq. But this also meant terrorist leader Atta's talking was eavesdropped. And he was under surveillance of intelligence at least as early as this spring. Do you believe that intelligence knew nothing of 911 bombing in advance?

52.
"Public Announcement January 12, 2002

Anybody who is interested in my messages posted in internet can download them and publish them with no obligation. It's free. I have only two request: 1. Put my name "Kat Hak Sung" on the publish. 2. You can correct mis-spelling word, but can't add or reduce the content of each message. No individual person, or group, or organization can own my messages privately and forbid others to read, publish them. The purpose of this announcement is to prevent someone from censoring my messages if I was murdered. Kat Hak Sung is my real name.

Kat Hak Sung"

I have recently received an E-mail from a man said he is a publisher. He wrote, "Can you give me your name if it is okay to publish your story which certainly seems to be true as I know a good deal about police departments and the FBI." And later got another message in internet as this:
HAL838 </GovernmentConspiracies/profile?>Sent: 1/2/2002 10:58 AM
Forgive me for not following your thread as closely as I could to have possibly missed something; ...... What am I missing here? Can you put your story in a smoothly readable format and send to me. (I'd like to print it out to read at leisure in a way that wouldn't waste all my ink and paper.) Also if anyone wants to know more about the story that's on this page <http://www.geocities.com/hal838us/TributeToTruth.html> you'll find what I deemed fit to print (for the time being) and some interesting documents at <http://communities.msn.com/WorldCitizensConcerns>

I don't communicate privately with unknown in case there is a trap. I don't want anybody declare that they
have sole private right of my messages because I directly e-mail them. I don't want to disappoint those who really intend to publish my messages. So I made previous public announcement. I was harassed these days by slow processing, losing contact with internet so had to sign in repeatedly. All these gave me an impression that they are setting up a new plot to demolish me and my posting. I used to go to each web site about 10-15 days. If I failed to continue with my thread, then you know what have happened. If something unfortunately happened, I think most likely they would have some informants or undercover posting some messages to defame such like 'mental disorder', gave host an excuse to delete it, or simply, activate a virus attack. And the time most likely will be at the end of this month. I'll give my reason in next message.

[One_Bad_Aiel]

Kat... You are too much. I have decided to hunt you down and make you tell me all of these things in person. I have the money and the capabilities to do so. I will find you. Be afraid Kat.

[AR81]

AR81, Are you coming to harass?

No, I just came for sport. I enjoy the nice smell of annoyance. :D

That story (yours) is too hard to believe that it just inspired me to write the TIMEX/TEMP story.

I recommend to write a book. No one will consider you insane and you'll earn money. You may also include yourself as the storyteller so it makes the story believable and you can post all of your theories there.

[Trip]

Originally posted by AR81
No, I just came for sport. I enjoy the nice smell of annoyance. :DSomething he does quite well, mind you. ;)That story (yours) is too hard to believe that it just inspired me to write the TIMEX/TEMP story.*Sniffles* I see how it is, take all the credit! :cry:I recommend to write a book. No one will consider you insane and you'll earn money. You may also include yourself as the storyteller so it makes the story believable and you can post all of your theories there. Agreed. ;) Your posts are a good read, I don't think that's a half bad idea.

[kathaksung]

Someone made that suggestion already. I even posted it in this thread if you go for a review. And I made a statement in message 52, too. Wonder why you still repeated.

And I wonder how your mind operating. That my story is hard to believe, that I'm insane. But how can an insane publish a book that story is hard to believe? Or if you are insane.

[kathaksung]

I fear Federal law enforcement agent will frame a case against me and my relatives and those who know my story. Though they never stop planning this, events happened recently predicted that a new plot might be in process.

1. Recently several people who rarely had dealings with me came to visit my house. (See "48. Test") And in early January, an old friend gave me a phone call from Chicago. He was my classmate in primary school, we were friends for forty years. We lost touch after drug case taken place. The cause is very clear. Just the same that Wen Ho Lee experienced. Lee said 90% of his friends estranged from him after he was investigated in spy case. After nearly 10 years without contact, my friend said he would drive to California to see me. I requested his e-mail address and mailed him my internet home page, hoped him to know what happened to me in this ten years. I think all these people were forced to do this. The purpose is either to test if I have any particular relationship with them or to circle as many as possible victims when agents are framing a case.

2. About last April, both director of DEA, FBI announced resignation from their posts. And I alleged that DEA, FBI and China secret police were framing a drug case against me. The time was on June, and they delayed McVeigh's execution date to June 11 to transfer public's attention on that frame case. The reality was that on June 6, there was a big attack on my web sites. My messages were moved away from sites at same time. (See "Why DEA, FBI involved in secret deal of spy plane" URL in #36) I realized they hated my messages as well as me. Last month and this month, I received messages from e-mail and internet site, requested me to e-mail them my name and arranged messages so they could publish or print it. I fear it's another tactic to censor my thread. (They could claim I authorized them to do so by e-mail, thus they had the right of publish and could forbid other's having my posting in their web sites. Of course, all this must be in condition I would have died.) That's why I posted a Public Announcement on Jan. 12 (see last message)

3. G-lady's husband got a contract again in late December. I don't know if this was a cover up reaction of my thread '47. Swift response', or for the 'guide trip', or for both. My wife will visit China at the end of this month, G-lady will guide, guard, or whatever you say, go with her. It's easy to be planted something during travel. It's also easy have an 'accidental death' in travel. I can't stop my wife's trip. I fear something will happen due to above reason.

4. Last month, a Chinese political dissenter, **** Ru ****, died. In this month 9th, another dissenter, **** Ru Shui, and a sponsor from Taiwan, Liu Kai Sheng, died too. The two Chinese dissenters were famous in Chinese democratic movement, they both died of lung cancer. Liu was only 57, his death at first was speculated as homicide, because he was an activist supporting Chinese democratic movement. Later police said he died of heart attack. He collapsed in street. Like Ron's death. (see 19. Alleged murder of Ron)Their deaths could be a coincidence, but also with great chance a cross murder deal between secret police of two countries. Which increases my anxiety.

[Dreadnaught]

Originally posted by kathaksung
Someone made that suggestion already. I even posted it in this thread if you go for a review. And I made a statement in message 52, too. Wonder why you still repeated.

And I wonder how your mind operating. That my story is hard to believe, that I'm insane. But how can an insane publish a book that story is hard to believe? Or if you are insane.

What the hell are you talking about?

About last April, both director of DEA, FBI announced resignation from their posts. And I alleged that DEA, FBI and China secret police were framing a drug case against me. The time was on June, and they delayed McVeigh's execution date to June 11 to transfer public's attention on that frame case.

So...otherwise the whole country would have payed attention to your little rantings? :rolleyes:

The FBI commisioner resigned for lots of reasons.

I fear it's another tactic to censor my thread. (They could claim I authorized them to do so by e-mail, thus they had the right of publish and could forbid other's having my posting in their web sites. Of course, all this must be in condition I would have died.) That's why I posted a Public Announcement on Jan. 12 (see last message)

Do you see this? He's trying to set up something where he suddenly "vanishes".

[AR81]

I've been offline for a few hours.

According to my brother it happened because he was using the computer.

However, I just remember I was offline for a few years. I suspect it is a conspiracy to make me think that my atoms are moving faster. If that's the case, the third suspected agency called Silly Time Agency Ranters (STAR) have succeded in their invention of a plasma convertor. They want to convert enemy agents into plasma using a special stasis field projected via FTL beams or via Internet.

*Sniffles* I see how it is, take all the credit!

No, I was just trying to keep your cover. :D

So...otherwise the whole country would have payed attention to your little rantings?

Is he the most important guy in the world since 007?

But how can an insane publish a book that story is hard to believe?

It is hard to believe that X Files could be real.
It is hard to believe in Superman, Spider man or Wonder Woman.

How could those "nutcases" be so successful??
Fiction can be insane or whatever.

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught



The FBI commisioner resigned for lots of reasons.



Do you see this? He's trying to set up something where he suddenly "vanishes". [/B]

Then what are "lots of reasons".

'vanishes' is not death.

[kathaksung]

On April 13, 2000, I took a bus from Vientian to Parkse in Laos. The bus should have arrived in Parkse at 8 pm. An accident made it there at 2 am. In bus terminal, the driver of little transferring vehicle turned his face away from me, carried the other passengers away. I was left alone in bus terminal at midnight. It was dark wild field outside the terminal. While I was helpless, a man appeared. He said he was a businessman from China and knew where hotel was. When I was rejoiced for the help, he said he had other two friends and they had no I.D. He hinted to use mine to cover them. I recognized it was another trap and left him immediately. The man, realized his failure, like his sudden appearance, faded away in darkness. About half hour later, the little transferring vehicle came again. This time, the driver didn't refuse me. He took me to the hotel in town. But if they wanted a photo that I was talking to someone, alone and at midnight, they succeeded.

Then in Viet-nam, harassing and attempted murder made me again going to Foreign Ministry asking for help. They turned me to a "consulate officer", who was more like a police officer and suggested me to go to China. He said that was the only way for me and there was no option. Of course I didn't obey him. But his attitude made me believe that there was a contract between the secret police of US and China. (see "24. Fluorescent lamp killing")

[AR81]

On April 13, 2000, agent Cassandra v0.2 took a bus from Vientian to Parkse in Laos as she was following kathaksung as TIMEX needed to identify the Time Agency involved with the recent Martian experiments.

The bus should have arrived in Parkse at 8 pm. An accident caused by TEMP made it there at 2 am. Apparently they wanted to scan the bus looking for TIMEX agents. Fortunately, Cassandra agent was a cloned cyborg with a modified probe signal profile which couldn't be tracked.

In bus terminal, the driver of little transferring vehicle turned his face away from kathaksung as Cassandra warned him about not to raise suspicion and protect the passengers from TEMP agents. He carried the other passengers away from kathaksung for their own protection. Kathaksung had a mind probe (apparently implanted by STAR agency) that attracted TEMP agents as a decoy.

Kathaksung was left alone in bus terminal at midnight.
It was dark wild field outside the terminal.
While kathaksung was helpless, a man appeared.

He said he was a businessman from China and knew where hotel was. He was really a TEMP agent who thought kathaksung was Cassandra. He was trying to obtain TIMEX secrets via Kinesian close range scanner.

When kathaksung was rejoiced for the help, the man said he had other two friends and they had no I.D.

He hinted to use kathaksung's ID to cover them. Kathaksung recognized it was a trap and left him immediately.

The man, realized his failure, like his sudden appearance, faded away in darkness. The close range scanner analysis showed that kathaksung had similar brain electrical broadcasting signals but they had something different.

About half an hour later, the little transferring vehicle came again. This time, the driver didn't refuse kathaksung.
He took kathaksung to the hotel in town.
Apparently they wanted a photo of his Kinesian profile while kathaksung was talking to someone, alone and at midnight. They succeeded.

Then in Viet-nam, harassing and attempted murder made kathaksung again going to Foreign Ministry asking for help.

They turned kathaksung to a "consulate officer", who was more like a police officer and suggested kathaksung to go to China. kathaksung said that was the only way for him and there was no option. Of course kathaksung didn't obey him. But his attitude made kathaksung to believe that there was a contract between the secret police of US and China, but he was wrong. Cassandra findings showed that STAR agency is trying to confuse TEMP agents as they have reasons still unknown to jam TEMP operations in timeline and multidimensional changes, and as part of this plan they are making kathaksung to go nuts as they are making kathaksung to believe there is some "Fluorescent lamp killing".

[kathaksung]

I had worried that they might plot a framing case in later January, it didn't happen. But they did activate a wave of attack on my message in internet. This is the third time I suffered from such large attacks . The first time was on January 31, 2001, the day Ashcroft passed his nomination. The attack was comparatively mild, they only put a lock on thread or delayed posting or shut down the forum. The second time was on June 6, 2001. And the latest one, as I expected was in later January, my thread was moved away from 17 web sites. And the method they used were improved one. When I click on URL, the page said," You are not allowed to access this club" (clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debatesanddiscussions') or ' You are banned from this board. (ibrsc.org/forums) I even had no chance to enter the forum. In the other web sites, They moved my thread away, no trace left. I call this kind of censorship an undercover way. Like in 70's Argentina and those totalitarian countries, people disappeared without trace, nobody knew where they went.

The most dramatic one is at: http://forums.about.com/ab-civilliberty/messages/?msg=2146.1
Where on Jan-28, I found eye catching boxes like this:(In that web site, each message is posted in a small window, the window became small long box if the message was deleted)

"Message 70 of 74 was Deleted
Message 71 of 74 was Deleted
Message 72 of 74 was Deleted "

In a thread 'No free speech in Austria', I put a comment: "Talk about this topic, I found my messages in previous two months were all deleted....." Then someone posted:
'Go to the left of your screen where it says "show messages" and select "all messages." ' I followed his instruction, it worked. This is 'Civil liberty' forum, I have had technique problem on last year's Jan. 31 attack. I had made a complaint, the guide of the forum gave me an E-mail which said:
"I've even received complaints because I allow some truly vile people, such as racists and Nazis, to voice their views.

I hope you feel comfortable raising issues in the forum, and rest assured that I will never shut down a discussion because of the topic."

One year later, he didn't move away my thread like others' but deleted my recent messages. I believe he must have suffered large pressure from FBI and did something against his will. I speculate that agent forced him shut down my thread, promised him that I would not come back. He deleted my messages of recent months. When I did come back and complain, agent installed a programme. Which creates a strange scene: when I clicked in with 'unread messages', there are many small boxes of 'message....deleted', once I entered with 'all messages', these deleted messages revive.

[Master[\/]][[\][)]

Originally posted by AR81

Apparently TEMP agency moved their area of operations to the sea near Africa. TEMP is also trying to promote underground nuke experiments so Earth surface will become unstable.





According to that, TEMP experiments caused Earth to increase overall temperature in 15 C (about 30 F) within 50 years. That caused ice to be melted and sea level was increased in about 10 meters.



Why are martians so interested on our world? It was the closest world and it offered lots of raw materials to extract. Jupiter and the asteroid belt are too far away so space traveling takes too much time.


There is more to that than you realise. :weird:

You need to investigate the ecological effects of disassociating water into hydrogen and oxygen for the manufacture of hydrgen fusion bombs, specifically the effects of large amounts of raw oxygen being introduced to the atmosphere and possible purpose of testing underground (or underwater?) nukes.

That is all I can say for the time being...

[Dreadnaught]

Poor Kat, thinks people really care enough to shut him down.

[AR81]

You need to investigate the ecological effects of disassociating water into hydrogen and oxygen for the manufacture of hydrgen fusion bombs, specifically the effects of large amounts of raw oxygen being introduced to the atmosphere and possible purpose of testing underground (or underwater?) nukes.

So they separate H from O to use H to make nukes? What will they do with the oxygen? Will they use it to breath in space when Earth is nuked? :eek: :eek: :weird:
thinks people really care enough to shut him down.
Indeed.

[Master[\/]][[\][)]

Originally posted by AR81
So they separate H from O to use H to make nukes? What will they do with the oxygen? Will they use it to breath in space when Earth is nuked? :eek: :eek: :weird:

Not exactly, we depend on oxygen to survive but what would happen if all that spare oxygen from the water was released into the atmosphere? Remember that oxygen is corrosive, unstable and extremely flammable. We think that is how the weather got out of control. What you don't know was that during this period fires ran out of control, we lost the entire amazon basin in a matter of weeks.

We still don't know what the Martians planned to do with fusion nukes. All we know is that it was involved with Earths destruction in 2832.

[AR81]

How do you know that? What timeline are you from? Are you from a third alternate reality? Data collected to date show no records of weather change due to fire out of control in the Brazil jungle.

That would make Martian invasion harder. Remember they don't have all weather sensors.

Do you have any specific data on how Martians plan to conquer Earth?

[Moonsinger]

You know that if you guys keep this up, this thread may hit the 1000 posts. Of course, this thread will be shut down when it reaches the 1K limit. Kat will immediately blame the mod for shutting down this thread and why the mods finally give in to the FBI demand,...,etc.:D

[AR81]

Of course, this thread will be shut down when it reaches the 1K limit.
Hmmm... **evil grin**
1.I might increase my post count.
2.I might have some fun posting silly stuff.
3.I might enjoy the sweet feeling of Kat's annoyance. **evil grin** Yes, it is a complot. It was planned by the Martians some milleniums ago.
4.The thread will put an end to its misery when shut down.

[Moonsinger]

You are wrong about the Martians, you know.;) Martians were the creator of earth as shown clearly in the Mission to Mars.:D