Once you go black, you'll never come back.

[Lobomoon]

What happens to Warder if his AS goes black? Can he still sence evil? Can she hide it from him?

[Gawyn Trakand]

he can sense that she is evil... but it puts him into a bit of a quandary i would guess. whats he going to do- kill her, killing himself in the process.

[gruselag]

Warders can't sense evil, can they?

I thought they could sense trollocs but thats a bit different.

[Gawyn Trakand]

hmmmm.. i thought they could. I remember the scene with Perrin in tDR when he sensed the darkmen. Lan comes up to him and says something like "their taint is not strong enough for Morianne or I to sense it."

[RandBlade]

They're more extreme than merely being Black Ajah.

I don't believe warders can sense the Black Ajah. In fact I'm pretty damn sure we've seen passages where good warders have been in the presence of black ajah and never said or suspected a thing.

In fact Rand has a Black Ajah in his presence quite regularly and he can't tell. He's a warder too don't forget.

[potatoman]

RB, what he means is if they are bonded.

[Julius al'Thain]

They can't sense what their AS is feeling when she masks the bond - which you'd have to presume is what she does when she does something "black".
The BA AS that was green - Marillan Gemalphin (I'd look it up, but that's too easy) or whatever her name was says something about only one of her warders knowing that she was BA (or was a Friend of the Dark) after she stopped masking the bond in either PoD or WH, but the other two (warders) would do what she commanded.

Gawyn - that was when Moiraine, Lan, Loial, Perrin and Faile were in the inn in Illian, and Perrin smelled the Grey Men just before they had a chance to kill him before Lan noticed them.

[Gawyn Trakand]

Really.... you know, i've never readthe books before, thanks for explaining that to me.:rolleyes:


And Randblade, i wasn't saying what would happen if an aes sedai was black, i was seeing that clean and pure aes sedai think and feel that way.


In conclusion. I hate posting serious, to many people are stupid.:confused:

[Yendarye]

Why do people think that they need to explain WOT on a WOT book forum. Should it not be assumed that everyone here has read the books and if they haven't then they probably shouldn't be here.

[Gawyn Trakand]

Probably. YOu know, i have never read the books.

[Lobomoon]

But it would be hard not to notice if you actually bonded to one. Plus if AS goes black, runs away from the WT and leaves the warder behind, WT can use the warder to get general whereabouts of the AS.

[Witte]

This is how it seems to me - the warder knows when the Aes Sedai becomes black (with the oath rod), but that is all. He may be able to sense if she is lying or something - and one of the black sisters warders is coming after them to kill her, even though he knows it will kill him too.
With the WT using warders of black sisters to find them - not only can black sisters blockout the warder or compell them in some small way, I doubt the WT would believe the warder wasn't on the same side as his Aes Sedai.

[Lobomoon]

I remember reading somewhere that Black Sisters can lie and use power as a weapon because her new oath to the Dark One overrights the old ones.

[Witte]

Originally posted by Lobomoon
I remember reading somewhere that Black Sisters can lie and use power as a weapon because her new oath to the Dark One overrights the old ones.
They use the oath rod to remove the old oaths, then swear new ones.
Any new oath will not overwright the old ones - look at the sisters in the tower with the oath to obey and the oath to never lie conflicting.

[Frish]

erm, warders/AS cannot sense evil humans. They can sense Shadowspawn, but no human (with the quite notable exception of The Big Bad Fain) is tainted nearly as much as the shadowspawn. A human who goes black is different from a trolloc who was born to a race that has been tainted since the AOL .. . . . . she (I say she because 90% of the darkfriends are female) is still 'only human' so the warder cannot sense it.


For evidence, I offer up Mogheidenendenendnnneeennneee's (I spel gud) stay in Salidar . . . . She is about as evil as one can become, and yet noone sensed her.


Case Closed.

[Witte]

Originally posted by Frish
erm, warders/AS cannot sense evil humans. They can sense Shadowspawn, but no human (with the quite notable exception of The Big Bad Fain) is tainted nearly as much as the shadowspawn. A human who goes black is different from a trolloc who was born to a race that has been tainted since the AOL .. . . . . she (I say she because 90% of the darkfriends are female) is still 'only human' so the warder cannot sense it.


For evidence, I offer up Mogheidenendenendnnneeennneee's (I spel gud) stay in Salidar . . . . She is about as evil as one can become, and yet noone sensed her.


Case Closed.

What I meant was at the point that they forsake their old vows and create the new ones, the warder would feel somehting going on - and probably get suspicious.

[Julius al'Thain]

I didn't think that we'd seen any real evidence on that though - unfortunately.

Again, wouldn't the AS just mask the bond - I think an example in the books was that she wouldn't want to know if her Warder's with another woman - but then, I'm not sure - Avi, Min and Birgitte had trouble masking Rand and Elayne in Caemlyn.