Gamecube not good enough?

[resdog]

Recently in an interview, the creative director of driv3r wrote the following:

"As for the GameCube, the machine is just not geared toward games like Driv3r, it couldn't handle that level of detail. We have some ex-Rare people who know the 'Cube very well, and what it came down to at the end of the day was: "we can do it if we cut down on this detail" - and we weren't prepared to do that."

Wow, what a blatant ****ing lie. That is so full of bull****, I think I'm going to have to put on my swimsuit and grab a shovel.

The gamecube couldn't handle that level of detail? Hmm. I seem to recall playing a remake of a game called Resident Evil which had quite a bit of detail.

I mean, apparently, there must be 2 different systems that use the name Gamecube, because I know he isn't talking about the one developed by Nintendo. Obviously he doesn't know a damn thing about video games; someone needs to fire him.

I also heard rumors that they didn't develop the game for Gamecube because of the size of the mini disc's that it uses. Well you know you can include 2 discs (as Resident Evil did), which will both fit nicely into the standard sized gaming package.

[PSgamer262]

I don't understand why he would lie... Driver 3 has an enormous amount of detail on almost everything in the whole game. And whatever reason it is, there must be something different about the GameCube, whether it's the graphics or not... And if you're talking about Martin Edmondson... I think he would have to fire himself.

[stuntdriver]

Yeah, I don't think the owner/founder of Reflections is going to fire himself:haha:

The cube and its DRIV3R absence has a great deal to do with it disc size. D3 has approximately 1 hour of CG cut scenes on top of the 3 massive cities. I agree, they could do a multiple disc release except for reason 2.

They were having development problems so they decided to focus on the top two consoles to reach a timely release date, It seems a lot of companies are dropping their GC development even though they had a good holiday. Sales still aren't the best for Nintendo.

I have all three systems, The reason I have a GC is for all the great Nintendo exclusive, because we all know the big N knows how to make a game.

XBOX is for everything else, for me it is just better. full game 5.1 HDTV support ect... And 99% of the time it looks the best.

PS2, well it came out a year before the others, it is a good console plus I still think it has the best controller design and Stuntman was exclusive to it. Looking forward to PSP and of course PS3 and any other worthy future console.

I do not know why I went on about consoles but, oh well.

[matt__jon]

How far is the draw distance on Resident Evil and how much action is usually going on onscreen? Oh, and it wasn't Edmonson that said they needed to cut down on the detail, it was PROFESSIONAL CUBE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES. Maybe you should read what you post next time.

[resdog]

Originally posted by matt__jon
How far is the draw distance on Resident Evil and how much action is usually going on onscreen? Oh, and it wasn't Edmonson that said they needed to cut down on the detail, it was PROFESSIONAL CUBE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES. Maybe you should read what you post next time.

And once again, matt_jon, you are incorrect. Perhaps you should read before you post.

if you go here: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=101443 , you will see the full interview with Martin Edmonson, not the PROFESSIONAL CUBE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES.

And I imagine the draw distance is pretty far. Have a nice day.

[matt__jon]

Ah, so you've never played RE on the Cube? I don't even know if it came out yet.

And yes, he said that in the interview, duh, but the cube developers TOLD him that.

[M3wThr33]

Rare released ONE game for the GameCube. Besides, they're the company who takes 3 years to release a mediocre title and utterly failed in making a big hits past Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark.

[matt__jon]

Well whoever this Rare company is, I don't own a GC and I did want them to make it for GC, just because I know people that have GC. I don't like the exclusivity stuff, I think its stupid. I thought at first the only reason they cancelled the GC version was because it was slowing down all the other versions progress, but I guess its because the cube apparently (basing this on interview not opinion) can't handle the detail in D3. I don't know why they just wouldn't release a graphically inferior version of the game though. Look at GTA, its sold well. Proof graphics don't matter. On the other hand, look at GT3, it sold well, proof good graphics and no gameplay can also sell a game. But anyway lets just stop arguing about this.

[M3wThr33]

Well I don't know if I can even discuss this with anyone who doesn't know that Resident Evil has been out for over 18 months and has never heard of Rare.

I suppose Goldeneye doesn't mean anything to you.

[TannerNeedsAHug]

gamecubes are for gays.


their games are ****ty and cost too much.

[M3wThr33]

Uhh. Last week I picked up Dead To Rights for $15 and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance for $10.

[stuntdriver]

Gamecube is for Zelda, Metroid, Mario games, Basically any thing that Shigeru Miyamoto has his hands in. That is the only reason I own a GC.

It would be nice if there was no such thing as exclusive titles but that will never happen. Exclusive titles sell consoles, and more consoles evoke tougher competition.

I would like to see Nintendo go the way of Sega and become solely a software developer. It would be nice to only buy 2 consoles instead 3, plus they would have an absurd profit if they released a Mario game on a system that has over 10 million sold. Of course they can continue to dominate the handheld market. Sony has a long way to go if they want to beat that number.

And like I said earlier, There are numerous reasons to the Cubes exclusion of DRIV3R.

[Classic_Muscle]

I wouldn't think that the GC could handle Driver 3. From what I have heard, I think they backed out of making it for GC b/c of fall in sales. It would be a waste of money. If I were you, I would try to save up for an XBox before June. At least the graphics will be superb! :up:

[M3wThr33]

Wait. What makes Sony or MS qualified to make consoles?
Sony just blackmailed Nintendo and MS just threw together PC parts.

[matt__jon]

Well about Rare and Goldeneye, heard of both of them, but since I haqven't owned a Nintendo console since SNES, I naturally don't care who they are or what they're about. I also own a GBC and almost all the games on that suck, so it'll be a while before I get a Nintendo handheld too.

Stop whining like a baby, they're not making D3 for Cube, got it?

[El_Nach0]

AMEN.:p

[TannerNeedsAHug]

Booya!

[M3wThr33]

Cute.
But not a single person I know agrees with this interview, and I go to DigiPen, a video game programming college. If they said something more along the lines of "There's not enough room on a single disc" or "The projected sales aren't profitable enough," then I would have more of a tendency to believe them.

Also, by saying all GBC games suck is a really shallow remark.

[matt__jon]

Check again, I said most, which is still an understatement.

[Driv3r_follower]

HERE'S MY VIEW ON THE SYSTEMS:

1. GAMECUBE: MEANT 4 LITTLE KIDS

2. PS2: AVERAGE TEENS 2 ADULTS

3. XBOX MOSTLY 4 MATURE TEENS AND ADULTS

[M3wThr33]

And where would you fall in that scale?

[matt__jon]

PS2 and Xbox are about the same age group seems to me

[tenkuhan]

Originally posted by Driv3r_follower
HERE'S MY VIEW ON THE SYSTEMS:

1. GAMECUBE: MEANT 4 LITTLE KIDS

2. PS2: AVERAGE TEENS 2 ADULTS

3. XBOX MOSTLY 4 MATURE TEENS AND ADULTS

What a noob!

Gamecube's not just for little kids...looks like someone can't have his own opinion. If you owned a gamecube, you would know its not just for kids.

So from what you are saying is that no kids should play xbox, and no regular teens should play xbox. I think you fall in the pre-teen category.

[syphillump]

The difference between Driv3r and Resident evil is that Driv3r is a real-time 3D engine doing dynamic lighting and rendering. resident Evil is pre-rendered scenes with animated light effects along with other overlayed light effects.

The character and enemy models in Resident Evil are real-time, sure, but is not very processor intensive. Not only that but the advanced physics engine, cop route finding and everything take up a LOT of processor speed, which is one area the Gamecube is weakest, as it was designed primarily from a Nintendo game perspective and less focused on cross platform ports.

No one is saying the GameCube is not a good gaming platform, and cannot accomplish beautiful graphics, but it's simply a case of polygon draw speeds and CPU speeds.

[M_Prime]

I used to be like U.. a PS2 FREAK..

then my brother got the GC for Xmas and I started to like it.. and It can definitly HANDLE DRIV3R.. I mean I seen what this CUBE can do.. its not a lot off the XBOX.. played games on it SIDE BY SIDE.. XBOX and GC.. and saw minor difference.


I think they are just against NINTENDO cause seriously if the PS2 can run the game.. GC can run it for sure.. and the only valid excuse is teh SIZE.. but they are making a DUAL LAYER disk now and that will be able to hold 2x as much as now So I dunno the problem.. I was actually gonna buy this game.. and now I'm dissapointed.. its gonna be good on XBOX.. but I know its gonna look like total crap on the PS2.. most games do (i played all 3 systems side by side.. its noticable)

and GC is not a KIDDIE system.. I used to think like that till i played it.. its a fine system by me.. and wish it got more developement..

and the main reason sales are low is PIRACY.. its the hardest system to pirate games for.. c'mon we know its true

[stuntdriver]

I will be buying Resident Evil 4, The game looks insane.

I strongly believe that the GC version of D3 was canned because of the size of the game versus the disc capacity. I enjoy the GC but even with a dual layer disc, there is still nearly an hour of cg cut scenes and three massive cities. It is alot of info and would probably have to be put onto 2 discs, maybe three.

[syphillump]

One of the main reasons that the GC version was not feasable was the amount of data that needs to be streamed as you drive around the cities is enormous. This is not a racing game where you're confined to a track, yet the level of detail on each building is far surpassing Vice City or any game that features large playing areas. The GameCube has very poor memory bandwidth compared to the other two consoles. Hence to be able to stream the cities fast enough, we'd have to:

a) lower the details of the cities (think about it, that's doubling the artists workload which is huge as it is, or lowering the quality of the game on all three platforms, for the sake of one platform), or
b) grade all the vehicle speeds lower than the true speed (take 60mph down to 40mph, for eg) and have crawling slow vehicles. We manage to load the city *just* fast enough on the PS2 with the faster cars as it is.

So to answer a lot of questions here, Martin was telling the absolute truth in the interview... "We would have had to lower the detail, etc etc which we were not prepared to do."

And yes the storage size will have been an issue too, but to this I'm only assuming.

Surely you can appreciate the reasons for canning it?

Discussion over :)

[M3wThr33]

Thank you for explaining that, it answered a LOT of questions we had.

By the way, Resident Evil 4 (As you may notice details leaking out the side like a wounded Christ) is all real-time, with no zombies and all this other stuff changed.

Edit:
From a friend:
Hey M3wThr33, ask that guy what he thinks about 1-T SRAM versus DDR access time. THAT's bandwidth, and GCN's seek time is considerably shorter. Ask him why he thinks PS2 or Xbox's bandwidth is higher in-game; particularly TEXTURE bandwidth.

[M_Prime]

i still doubt that issue with the 'bandwith' but i'm not saying ur wrong.. this is only my opinion.. its that i seen the PSS2 at work and well i seen the GC at work.. and to tell u the truth the gc was more impressive.. The game i used was TRUE crimes... and it was way better on the GC.. the ps2 verions made me quezzy cause teh detail.. but then again that agme sucked

[M3wThr33]

Oh, SpeedDemon, that statement is so clever. You know what? I'm going to sell it now and begin to take up pottery making.

Hardly.

Lay off the stupid pills.

[M3wThr33]

You're just making yourself look worse, Mr. Clever, did you make up "Gay Cube" on your own, staying up all night thinking about it?
I'm going to ignore your grammatical errors and horrible bigotry and just hope you'll go away.

Just three questions, though.
1) Since when is homosexuality construed to be an insult?
2) Do you have the ability to read?
3) When do you plan on developing the ability to spell correctly?

We've already discussed storage size. 1.5GB vs. 4.7GB is not a big issue. The issue is memory bandwidth, which I think is BS. I'd just prefer if they'd say it was the demographic or controls.

[M3wThr33]

Money is not an issue. It's a matter of company respect. The game will run fine on my PC. 512MB DDR Ram, AMD 2400+, GeForce FX 5200. Don't worry about me, I just have morals.

[M_Prime]

Originally posted by Sp33dDemon
yo i think all you Gay-cube fans need to quit cryin, an iff u onli got a gay cube then id say quit playin games altogether. have a nice day;) :up:

someone needs a really good beat down

[PSgamer262]

I used common sense to come to this conclusion:

Nintendo (GameCube) GENERALLY makes games that are more suitable for younger players. And GENERALLY, younger players is what older players would most likely associate GameCube with, based on that conclusion.

...so you see, it's all common sense. - Although I don't think offensive comments are the best way to express the majority's opinion, the overall opinion is mostly correct.
Please tell me someone understands that... :sour:

[M3wThr33]

Conventional logic would say that, but akin to Richard Nixon, the silent majority is the one with power as the GameCube has more million-selling titles in the USA (Not just Japan) than the Xbox. REMake, RE0 and a whole host of other M games sold well. Not to forget that Soul Calibur 2 sold best on the GameCube (Even outselling the PS2 version).

But really, the ESRB symbol doesn't determine how fun a game is. Was THPS2 on the N64 really that much worse because it lacked blood?

[Inigo]

hee hee hee...
O, don't mind me. I'm just watching from the sidelines.
But, I have to say, this really isn't a big issue, so just drop it and let the seething masses make up their own minds.

[Russian_mobster]

The Cube is more powerfull then PS2.So that is bull****.

But neither of those can compete with XBOX and PC.

Gamecube has alot of good games.

But luckily I own all 3 consoles and a PC so im happy.

[Inigo]

Now there's a man with some common sense! Get all three and stop complaining!

[M_Prime]

gimmeanother $500-$1000 and i will!

[patman]

On the other hand, look at GT3, it sold well, proof good graphics and no gameplay can also sell a game.

GT3 has no gameplay? Huh? What? That sentence seems to make no sense.

[matt__jon]

Oh, sorry, you're right. It should've been like this:

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec does not have any gameplay.

Hope that cleared things up.:up: ;)

[patman]

I know what GT3 is. And no, it didn't clear things up. I'm still utterly confused at the no gameplay statement. It has gameplay. Lots of it... only the most realistic, fun, driving game ever.

[kberkel]

If you are a true racing guy.. racing the two hour endurance races just to win that Ford GT40.. and if you think that is a waste of life.. I can see why you say it has no gameplay.. but like patman said.. it is the most realistic racing game out.

As for Gamecube. I can see Driv3r being able to run on the the cube.. but the graphics would not be top notch at all compared to ps2 and xbox. Concerning those two consoles.. Atari would need to tone down the use of polygons and basically reduce detail.. Me having a history of importing 3d modeled cars into games liek NFS and such.. it is much easier to increase the detail in areas than it is to decrease. Also, like someone said above.. the use of dynamic lighting comes into par. If you've played a game such as Silent Hill 3 (cant think of any other games with great lighting), you will see the remarkable shading and crispness that the Gamecube can't exactly pull off. Sure, you could experiment the realism in physics and reality.. but why should Atari sacrifice time and energy to produce a game that will not personally meet their standards just to meet the needs of those few who own the Cube.

[Inigo]

wow...

[M_Prime]

Originally posted by kberkel
... those few who own the Cube.



Last time i checked.. there aren't that FEW out there.. this x-mas teh GC outsold XBOX by a large number

[kurt.D.cobain]

HA HA HA HA HA GAY_CUBE SEX_BOX HA:haha: