Yes its time... Cedar Point 2005 Rumors!!!

[CedarPoint89]

Firt off we have the most popular among numerous message boards.......

1. CP supposedly relocated the swan boats and the antique cars to Michigans Adventure, and are going to move the wave swinger over by WT. In this Area by the water, they will put a B&M Flyer breaking the record for most inversions on a flyer.

This one i think is the real deal........

2. what weve all been waiting for, a B&M Floorless on and Around Millenium Island breaking the record of tallest floorless reaching a little past 200ft, it will extend all the way to the area near the swan boats and antique cars.

Other rumors......

: Relocating the Parking lot to the mainland

: Building a pier by WT

:Building a pier in the most Northwest area of the park

please everyone, feel free to add your rumors and talk about some that have already been posted.

Oh! and Harpo, tell me if you know ANY truth to ANY of theese rumors ;) Pleease!

[Squid2]

The one that seems to be the most logical is...

A B&M custom Flyer going into the park in the area you mentioned. This is the one that Screamscape has posted. It makes sense to me as well... I don't see a new floorless going in there, especially with Geauga Lake, one hour away, having a 4 year old floorless coaster, and owned by the same company. But GL doesn't have a flying coaster.

Squid2

[CedarPoint89]

Originally posted by Squid2
The one that seems to be the most logical is...

A B&M custom Flyer going into the park in the area you mentioned. This is the one that Screamscape has posted. It makes sense to me as well... I don't see a new floorless going in there, especially with Geauga Lake, one hour away, having a 4 year old floorless coaster, and owned by the same company. But GL doesn't have a flying coaster.

Squid2

Yeah they do, they have X-Flight, its not B&M,but its surely a flying coaster

[Harpo]

The Swan Boats have definitely been moved to Michigan's Adventure, which leads me to think that something is up for that area, as the Swan Boats seemed fairly popular, and would be an inexpensive attraction to run. Heck, I've seen those boats for sale, new, at a price of under $2000 each, so I'm sure Cedar Fair could have purchased new boats for Michigan's Adventure if they didn't have other thoughts in mind. The Frontiertown Antique Cars are still there, however.

It's not entirely what I would want to see, but, considering the recent addition of a spinning wild mouse coaster at Worlds of Fun and Camp Snoopy, I wouldn't be too shocked to see such a thing installed in Frontiertown. It can be done on a rather compact site, it adds a coaster, it's relatively inexpensive, it's a bit different from any other ride currently in the park, and such coasters tend to be fairly popular. (Although I do like the spinning wild mouse coasters, I'd rather see another large coaster!) Although a former boss of mine in the merchandising department at the park wouldn't give anything even remotely close to any specifics, the "hints" he gave me on opening weekend would also seem to fit with this idea. However, it's entirely possible he was trying to lead me in the wrong direction. When I worked there, he and I butted heads once or twice, so I'm not sure if his information to me would be too reliable! :D (I shouldn't give the wrong impression -- he's a nice guy, but we just didn't always happen to agree!)

Relocating the parking lot to the mainland is something that's been discussed for at least 2 decades. I fully expect it'll happen sometime, but I wouldn't really know when. To help put it in perspective, the Cedar Point Causeway was first discussed more than 5 decades before it was actually built.

A pier near Wicked Twister has also been discussed. From what I understand, had it not been for the uncertainty relating to an economic downturn, the pier would have been built about 2 or 3 years ago, but it was put on hold due to signs of economic trouble. While that is rumor, I think it's quite probably true, and I suspect that the pier is still quite probable for the future. The biggest question is: when. It would be expensive, and, on its own, it would not be a huge draw. Over time, as rides are added to the pier, it would provide a draw, but, initially, it would be a big expense tied to future revenue rather than a big expense tied to immediate revenue (like a coaster tends to be).

[Hafu 2]

I know it's not a real rumor, but it's real funny. I read this on a rumors page once:

Cedar Point's next rollercoaster is going to be another record-breaker, all right. It'll be the worlds SLOWEST rollercoaster! 3 miles per hour! They're gonna call it "Blown Engine Dragster".:D

P.S. I like the "wild mouse in Frontiertown" idea, but put it on the Frontier Trail instead. The Trail needs a good but quiet ride to fit better with the atmosphere.

[Hyde244]

Well, I dont mean to burstanyone's bubble, but a lot of that probably isnt true. First off, about the piers, they would nead to buy mroe land in order to do that, and Cedar Point and Sandusky arent exactly the best of friends with the whole parking tax thing. Second, they aren't going to move the parking lot to the mainland, no matter what anyone tells you, because CP doesnt ahve exclusive building rights to do that kind of stuff. Also, there isnt enough room anywhere ont eh main land to hold that kind of parking lot. Also, this would be a bad idea, because then they would have to supply a shuttle service (I dont think your up to walking a mile and a half to the park), which would just be a waste of money. Now, when it comes to the coasters, I dont think that a roller coaster, in the scale that u guys were talking about, would fit easily into the space where the swan boats were. But, I do think that the Fronteir Trail will be the victim for a new roller coaster, because of it being basically already ruined by MF. also, if any1 talks about the flume tracking that is right by the parking addmissions when u come into the park, those belong to Castaway Bay.

[Harpo]

Actually, Cedar Point owns all the land along First Street, which is just across the Cedar Point Causeway. Leaving The Point, if you were to turn left at First Street (where the Cedar Point apartments are located), you'll find quite a bit of land within a looping road . That land could easily be used to build a parking structure, and it has been discussed. (That road currently provides access to the Cedar Point power substation, and to Louie's.) From what I understand talking to Cedar Point management, the recent purchase of the Venetian Marina by Cedar Fair now completes the purchase of property necessary for them to be able to build a parking structure on that side of the causeway without having to deal with objections from immediate local businesses. Although the intent is to keep the marina as a marina, it's purchase was a key piece required in being able to construct parking on the mainland side of the Causeway.

Of course, even building a structure covering part of the existing lot would allow more cars to park in a smaller area. Disneyland was very successful with such a thing, allowing them to add Downtown Disney and California Adventure on property that was previously used for parking.

As for the pier sticking into Lake Erie, I understand that appropriate approvals had been obtained, but the only thing holding it up was the uncertainty surrounding the economy.

With a spinning mouse type of coaster, if it's a custom design as opposed to an off-the-shelf model, it certainly would be possible to work something into that area where the swan boats were located. The ride could either go diving into the pond, or (what I hope doesn't happen but could), the pond could be removed. (Keep in mind, the site of Snake River Falls was a pond before that ride was built, causing the pond to be replaced by a concrete pool.) Come to think of it, it also would be a pretty good spot for a suspended single rail coaster with water effects, such as Super Soaker at Hersheypark, or the Flying Super Saturator at Carowinds.

[Top Thrill Drag]

U all will prolly disagree but im still sticking with the 4D rumor

[Hyde244]

Well, nwo that I thinka bout it more, the pier sounds liek an even worse idea, because if you have seen Lake EErie when it gets rough, it'll get rough. And this is not during the off seasons of Cedar Point. Of course, this kind of event only occurs at a miaximum of 2 times a summer, so it probably woudln't be a great threat. but I think the idea of the slowest coaster is a little too silly. I mean, who woudl wanna brag about havign the world's slowest coaster!? I mean, honestly, some of these rumors people are making off of the top of their heads.

[raptorrvnge4928]

I thinkt hat world's slowest coaster thing was a joke... LOL. But yes, rest assured, some of those rumors are likely made up...

.. those who know, dont tell. Those who dont know, do tell.

[Harpo]

Hyde,

The pier concept is based upon ride piers that are currently sticking into the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Yes, Lake Erie can get rough (and I've been at the Point during some real amazing storms), but, if amusement piers can be built to last in oceans bordering our country, I'm sure piers can be built into Lake Erie!

Interesting thing about the pier: When it was actually planned and was on the schedule, it was kept very quiet. When it was cancelled due to the economy, that's when management started opening up a bit about it, with the understanding that it has been indefinitely tabled, but could pop back at any time, depending upon economic conditions.

Now, if you want something absurd, but that management did really discuss (and threw out): there was a time in the 80's when management was discussing enclosing The Point in a giant dome-like structure, thereby allowing the park to run year-round. I don't know how long management considered it, but I suspect it wasn't for very long.

The spinning mouse or single rail coaster ideas for the swan boat area are not based upon any significant information from park management, but are based upon my observations of what Cedar Fair has done in the past. I could also see the possibility of a giant Huss frisbee ride in that area, or something along that same line. Of course, Cedar Fair wants Cedar Point to remain as #1 in number of coasters, and there are rumors of a new coaster at Magic Mountain in 2005, hence leading to my guess that a 2005 coaster at Cedar Point is fairly likely.

[Hyde244]

well, the real question is, can Six Flags afford another roller coaster? Well ,I like the idea about the Frisbee ride, and if it were true, it would be neat if they could position it over te water somehow. Dotn ask why, I jsut think so.

[CedarPoint89]

Now that i think about it, how would they get the visitors to the park if the parkinglot would be on the mainland, would they build a rapid transit like in downtown cleveland, or would they have shuttles, or something else. what could they do, i know they arent gonna make people walk thats for sure

My hopes the the new RC is a floorless, they at so smooth and fun, it would be great to do helixes over the water pkus plenty of height, speed and airtime with a few inversions thrown in there like a HUGE loop a cobra roll, and a nice dive loop down to the water. I can picture it in my head now....

i wonder what kinzel in planning for 07, hmmmm..........

[IEATPASTE001]

I think he is going to go out with a bang. A really loud and clear bang. Like he is taking over Cedar Point as his personal playground kind of magnitude. That is how big I think he will go out.

[Harpo]

When Kinzel does retire, I wonder if he'll continue to live at the house he built overlooking Lake Erie on one side and the Cedar Point parking lot on the other side, or if he'll sell it and retire elsewhere.

He's a really good guy (I've had the pleasure of talking to him a few times), so I fully expect his actions before retirement will be things he believes are in the best long-term interests of Cedar Fair.

If parking is just across the Causeway, trams would be easy enough to manage, although I'd like to see them put in some form of high capacity people mover system, such as the Disney Monorails.


Keep in mind, the Huss Frisbee thought is just something I considered as a logical possibility that Cedar Point may be thinking about. I haven't heard that from any reliable (or even unreliable) source. A similar (but definitely not the same) attraction, called Revolution (made by Chance Rides), was installed at Dorney this year. That ride would be another logical possibility for that Swan Boat area.

[topthrillmaniac]

if they put the parking lot on the mainland, they would probably have a shuttle or a tram to take you out. this rumor, unlike the rest, sounds realistic. if the ytook the parking lot out they would have a lot more room for new rides.

[Hyde244]

The only problem with ^ is the money. I mean, sure, they cna build a tram service, but that would need to haul a lot of butt in order to keep up with the people coming into the park. I dont think htat CP is 2 worried about having to move the parking lot for more space...yet. I mean, I think that the Frontier Trail is in jeopardy, since its charm was already ruined whent ehy put in MF.