Expedition Everest?? Are you kidding? Disney stop doing wrong!

[k_peek_2000]

First off i want to let you all know that i am not a disney hater. i love disney. just some of the stuff there doing is stupid.

okay wtf is that... i just watched the disney cast member movie talking about walt disney world and like, they were talking about a ride called expedition everest. and the stoner wannabe thrill guy said that its a roller coaster in everest with the yeti after you.
Hmm.... Sound Familiar anybody???? incase you dont know what im talking about its the matterhorn.... whats in anaheim stays in anaheim. sorin' huh? runnin out of ideas micheal

now we all know may 5th is a big deal for disney right. but micheal izner couldnt piss me off anymore that he is right now. i mean it origionated in Disneyland. I think there focus should be at the park that started it all. but insted dumba$$ micheal Izner gives us a firework show, a buzz lightyear ride and a parade. thats so stupid. when there building like hell in florda! I know anahiem is being stupid about building more parks and stuff but, still!
where are you walt when we need you.

Who here thinks that the park that is actually 50 years old, should be the only park to celebrate a 50th anniversery??

[k_peek_2000]

and if you didnt know what sorin is, its the ride in disneys california adventure, called "sorin over california",

wow i can now sore over california.....in florda. im jumping with joy.

[ColonelSandurz]

Expedition Everest is nothing like the Matterhorn!

And you posted the same thing in the RCT3 General board!

[Squid2]

Let's see... you're forgetting the complete rebuild of Space Mountain, (Disneyland,) and update of Haunted Mansion, (Disneyland,) the makeover of Tomorrowland, (Disneyland,) Need I go on?

Everything I've heard about Everest makes it a completely different ride from Matterhorn. For starters, they're different types of coasters. Two, Everest is using several modern ideas for coasters... including a section where the coaster goes backwards. Animatronics that chase you through the ride, etc. That doesn't sound like Matterhorn.

While we're at it, when DW turned 35, they celebrated it throughout the chain. Yea, it makes some sense to only celebrate an anniversary in the correct park, but a 50th is a big deal... so why not celebrate it in all of them?

Squid2

[J_Snow]

I'm not a Disney 'Lover'-actually I like Disney-just not M.E.

In any case, EE is a $100m ride. I dont think that amount of money is being spent to re-create the Matterhorn.

Quote from RCDB:

The Expedition Everest will be the first ride to use Vekoma's newest track system. Rather than the rails be on the inside of the ties, they will be on the outside. To date Vekoma has only used this system on their smaller roller coasters. This will be the first large scale installation of such a system.


I'm looking forward to it.

[RCT2head]

just hope it doesn't break:D

[SFA PKD Fan]

Actually Boosterbike uses that same "new" track system as well & unlike rides such as rollerskater it's designed as a thrill coaster rather than a family coaster.

Now if vekoma could just retrack all of their old SLC's with the new track system,that'd sure make a lot of folks happy.

[aoshi]

Well it definetly sounds similar to Matterhorn but seems like a different ride in its own right. I'll have to check it out tp say for sure. I think you have a point though, they should have made the monster not a yeti but something new. :D

[Voodoopcfreak]

All it is is a modern version of Matterhorn. It is one big copy with new technology. I dont care how much the ride mechanics change, the theme is still the same. I also think WDW or any of the other parks have no right to celebrate when it is Disneyland's birthday. As usual Disneyland gets shafted. If they really had any plan for Disneyland we would of had a new E-ticket in Big Thunder Ranch and a new Submarine Voyage.

[J_Snow]

Last I heard the subs are returning to D-Land.

And hey, if you think Disneyland gets 'shafted', think again. There was only just bout a billion bucks spent there to create CA and Downtown Disney, not to mention all the infrastructure improvments to the area surrounding the parks. I'd say-they got a little more than the shaft...

;)

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by J_Snow
Last I heard the subs are returning to D-Land.

And hey, if you think Disneyland gets 'shafted', think again. There was only just bout a billion bucks spent there to create CA and Downtown Disney, not to mention all the infrastructure improvments to the area surrounding the parks. I'd say-they got a little more than the shaft...

;)

AHAHAHHAH have you ever been to California Adventure? You are right about the subs though but that was never planned for the 50th anniversary. It is opening in 2007. Also the only reason the resort is doing good now is because of CM Matt. If you take a look around, the other resorts are getting brand new E-ticket attractions while we get a revamp of Space Mountain. Also we have never gotten a new and unique E-ticket attraction since Indy which was over 10 years ago. Also if you noticed the ads on tv are pimping WDW all the time over Disneyland, it is a total disgrace.

[SFA PKD Fan]

^Well just be glad that it's a Disney park & not an SF one.

At least Disney can afford cap ex spending at their parks but they take their time in developing new attractions while SF can barely afford enough in cap ex to put rides in just 3 or 4 of their 20 plus parks per season.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
AHAHAHHAH have you ever been to California Adventure? You are right about the subs though but that was never planned for the 50th anniversary. It is opening in 2007. Also the only reason the resort is doing good now is because of CM Matt. If you take a look around, the other resorts are getting brand new E-ticket attractions while we get a revamp of Space Mountain. Also we have never gotten a new and unique E-ticket attraction since Indy which was over 10 years ago. Also if you noticed the ads on tv are pimping WDW all the time over Disneyland, it is a total disgrace.

In all honesty. I live thousands of miles away from both parks and YOU are right Voodoop. All I ever see is WDW commercials. I haven't seen one Disneyland commercial, EVER. They really do have nothing planned for the 50th Anniversary besides touch ups and gold trims as far as my knowledge. But yet WDW gets a whole new Matterhorn (just with a different name). I really am ticked off because the Matterhorn is one of a kind only in Disneyland and they should keep it that way. In all honesty, it's like WDW is Disneyland's big brother, even though it IS the other way around.

[J_Snow]

I really thought the marketing for the parks was geographical. If your on the west coast, you get ads for Disneyland. Anywhere else, you get WDW. Also-WDW can handle lots and lots more guests than DL/CA can. Another thought-the Orlando market has a lot more competition than the So. Cal market so they are pretty much 'required' to add new stuff at WDW with more regularity than at DL. And I for one think that DL is kind of a right of passage, you have to go and you want it to be the way you remembered it. Dont feel that way about WDW.

And hey-they havent added a new attraction to Islands of Adventure since it opened. But rumor has it that will change next year with the addition of a new Coaster to the JP area of the park. Heres hoping!

[RCTTalk]

California Adventure can definitely handle more guests then it actually gets. I hear the maximum capacity for Disneyland is 140,000 and I'm not sure about California Adventure but I'm sure it can handle tons of people. I do live on the west part of North America and I am farther away from WDW than Disneyland Resort and I still get these commercials such as.
Person: Hey, Cindy how did you afford that WDW vacation?
Other Person: Simple, I booked us at a hotel for only 79 dollars a night and got great passes for the kids.
Etc.
True, Space Mountain is coming back but it was already a pre-existing ride and is this all they have planned when the actual anniversary in Disneyland starts besides a little bit of gold? Disneyland does have room for expansion but I can't help feeling that the park is being neglected when all they have up their sleeve for the 50th, is a little Buzz Lightyear ride directed at kids and a re-launch of Space Mountain when WDW get's a brand new Roller Coaster that is similar to the Matterhorn.
I hear WDW is always packed year round and yet they still advertise like heck and while Disneyland is IMO probably a better park with more rides than the Magic Kingdom and a better location, it gets shafted. They already put the gold trim on the Cinderella Castle in WDW.

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
California Adventure can definitely handle more guests then it actually gets. I hear the maximum capacity for Disneyland is 140,000 and I'm not sure about California Adventure but I'm sure it can handle tons of people. I do live on the west part of North America and I am farther away from WDW than Disneyland Resort and I still get these commercials such as.
Person: Hey, Cindy how did you afford that WDW vacation?
Other Person: Simple, I booked us at a hotel for only 79 dollars a night and got great passes for the kids.
Etc.
True, Space Mountain is coming back but it was already a pre-existing ride and is this all they have planned when the actual anniversary in Disneyland starts besides a little bit of gold? Disneyland does have room for expansion but I can't help feeling that the park is being neglected when all they have up their sleeve for the 50th, is a little Buzz Lightyear ride directed at kids and a re-launch of Space Mountain when WDW get's a brand new Roller Coaster that is similar to the Matterhorn.
I hear WDW is always packed year round and yet they still advertise like heck and while Disneyland is IMO probably a better park with more rides than the Magic Kingdom and a better location, it gets shafted. They already put the gold trim on the Cinderella Castle in WDW.

Exactly the castle decorations at WDW really got me pissed especially when we haven't even gotten them yet. You would think that the celebration is for WDW not Disneyland. We have tons of room where we could get new E-ticket attractions yet they decided to screw over Disneyland yet again. The only reason they spend money at DCA is because they are forced to because it is such a bad park and even then they screw us over with a watered down version of Tower of Terror.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
Exactly the castle decorations at WDW really got me pissed especially when we haven't even gotten them yet. You would think that the celebration is for WDW not Disneyland. We have tons of room where we could get new E-ticket attractions yet they decided to screw over Disneyland yet again. The only reason they spend money at DCA is because they are forced to because it is such a bad park and even then they screw us over with a watered down version of Tower of Terror.

Hmm, I really do love California Adventure. Tower of Terror is awesome, it was my favorite ride in California Adventure. While I do agree some rides are directly aimed at little kids, like Flik's Fun Fair, Jumpin Jellyfish and Orange Stinger; California Adventure has so much room for expansion and they could easily put that Finding Nemo Ride in CA just to attract more people. I literally counted and CA has no more than 20 rides. California Screamin is great but it's such a damn long wait. When I was there, they were only running 2 coasters so the line backed up to 40 minutes. Then on Maliboomer, for some stupid reason (on a Saturday none-the-less) they are only running 1 of 3 towers! The wait backed up to about 30 minutes, when they could have easily run the others. I definitely think they should get rid of that Carousel in CA, it's just like King Arthur's but with a different name. Having said this, the park isn't horrible IMO. I loved Mullholland Madness, except the guy allowing the guests in took his sweet time and backed the wait up to 30 minutes for a 50 second ride. I also really liked, It's A Bug's World, California Screamin, Tower of Terror, Cali Screamin, Grizzly River Run, The Muppets 3D and definitely Soarin Over California.

Which also brings me to a great point about Soarin Over California. WDW is building the exact same ride and they are in Florida! I find that really stupid, especially when people didn't travel to Florida to fly over California. They can always make a new film.

The thing with me about WDW is that bigger isn't always better. The hotels on the WDW Resort are massively expensive. It makes the Disneyland Hotel look dirt cheap. I always hear everything in the Magic Kingdom is massive but does that mean the rides are better? My friend said between both Big Thunder Mountain Railroads, she definitely liked DLR's better.

I just don't get why the same company is always putting WDW first when Disneyland and California Adventure could get that extra boost.

It just doesn't make sense, someone asks while they're in Disney World why the castle is trimmed with gold and someone says: Oh, it's Disneyland's 50th Anniversary in California. <That just doesn't make sense to me.

True DLR did get a re-painted castle but they really needed to paint that castle in the first place because it was started to fade.

[J_Snow]

Just for the record.... I dont go to WDW and I live less than 2 miles from Magic Kingdom (as the crow flies). When friends visit from out of town I drop them off and head over to Universal. Heck I'd even go to Sea World before I went to any of the WDW parks again...

I did however grow up in So. Cal and Disneyland does have a special place in my heart. I'd re-visit for a few hours then head over to Knotts where the thrills are. Guess that's saying something (pretty much what you all are saying) ;)

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by J_Snow
Just for the record.... I dont go to WDW and I live less than 2 miles from Magic Kingdom (as the crow flies). When friends visit from out of town I drop them off and head over to Universal. Heck I'd even go to Sea World before I went to any of the WDW parks again...

I did however grow up in So. Cal and Disneyland does have a special place in my heart. I'd re-visit for a few hours then head over to Knotts where the thrills are. Guess that's saying something (pretty much what you all are saying) ;)

We always visit Knotts too. We get a 3 day park hopper at DL, then go to Knotts for a day. I love that pink coaster at Knotts that blasts you at 80miles and hour. Both parks are great. Ghost Rider sucks because we waited over an hour for it, on a Monday even. Wasn't worth it but everything else we just walked on. I love Knotts' theming as well. I've always liked Wild West theming. :D

[J_Snow]

GhostRider is the BEST woodie I've ever been on... course I did ride it at night on 10/31/2001.... HalloScream was AWESOME. it was a great day for me.. not so much for the parks since there were not a lot of peeps buying tickets... I did CA/DL and Knotts in the same day without having to change my shoes...

:)

:noob:

[Squid2]

Okay... while Space Mountain was an existing ride, DL went into the building, tore down the old one, and built a new coaster in it's place, and gave it the same name.

The WDW Soarin' will receive a new movie, but not until after the 50th anniversary.

Squid2

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by RCTTalk

True DLR did get a re-painted castle but they really needed to paint that castle in the first place because it was started to fade.

STARTED???? It was totally in shambles before the refurb. It had close to no paint on it. Here is a pic of it before the refurb and after:

Before:http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/169437/1/6347720


After:http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/274989/3/10902279
http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/274989/19/10900101

[RCTTalk]

Lmao. Yes it didn't look very pleasing. The new paint looks great but what happens when that starts to fade? I pray to God they re-paint the castle whenever it starts to show signs of age. It seemed very neglected before, which is wierd because it's a very famous landmark. I hope that new paint job is here to stay and after the 50th Anniversary they will just take town the 50 years old decorations and keep the paint the way it is.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
STARTED???? It was totally in shambles before the refurb. It had close to no paint on it. Here is a pic of it before the refurb and after:

Before:http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/169437/1/6347720


After:http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/274989/3/10902279
http://darkbeer.smugmug.com/gallery/274989/19/10900101

Hmm, on a lighter topic, Splash Mountain and the Railroad should be open again. Splash Mountain, I hear got new boats. They look like they can hold 6-7 people now. They almost look like POTC boats because they are finely designed. Unfortunately, it was closed when I was there and I suppose they took the fences down as well. The Railroad also had fences and tarps around the Main Street Station, which looked very ugly, but I still took a picture. LoL. It looks like the Railroad Station is darker than before. I guess I won't be able to ride both Splash and the Railroad, the Tiki Room and the Canoes next time I visit. I really want to see how the canoes are. :). I think Disneyland is discovering the "magic" of paint. :)

[Voodoopcfreak]

The reason for the paint getting to the state it was in was due to the previous management. They would never spend any money inside the park for upkeep. They would always try to save as much money as possible making the necessary upkeep impossible. Now that CM Matt is in charge he has actually diverted funds from backstage directly into the park.

Splash even opened and was looking awesome. They replaced the entire briar patch and painted it a purplish color with yellow thorns. The entire ride was nicely painted and refreshed.

The railroad cars and trains had a nice refurb with new sound systems installed. The stations look great too. They track is all new except for the back areas.

Tiki room there is just no words to describe the before and after. You will just have to see it for yourself because it is amazing.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
The reason for the paint getting to the state it was in was due to the previous management. They would never spend any money inside the park for upkeep. They would always try to save as much money as possible making the necessary upkeep impossible. Now that CM Matt is in charge he has actually diverted funds from backstage directly into the park.

Splash even opened and was looking awesome. They replaced the entire briar patch and painted it a purplish color with yellow thorns. The entire ride was nicely painted and refreshed.

The railroad cars and trains had a nice refurb with new sound systems installed. The stations look great too. They track is all new except for the back areas.

Tiki room there is just no words to describe the before and after. You will just have to see it for yourself because it is amazing.

One thing I have to give to Disneyland is that compared to the Magic Kingdom, Disneyland could beat it out by a mile. It's A Small World in Disneyland looks 10x better than the MK one even after it's rehab. Disneyland has its very own Matterhorn and Mickey's Toontown is much better set up. I say this because you have to look for Disney characters in Toon Town rather than just going to the Judges Tent in the MK and see who's there.

Also, hands down, Disneyland's Fantasyland is 10x better looking than the MK's Fantasyland. MK's Fantasyland looks very dated and retro but Disneyland's is mysterious and very medieval looking which I love. I think Disneyland is much better than MK because Disneyland is quality over quantity.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
The reason for the paint getting to the state it was in was due to the previous management. They would never spend any money inside the park for upkeep. They would always try to save as much money as possible making the necessary upkeep impossible. Now that CM Matt is in charge he has actually diverted funds from backstage directly into the park.

Splash even opened and was looking awesome. They replaced the entire briar patch and painted it a purplish color with yellow thorns. The entire ride was nicely painted and refreshed.

The railroad cars and trains had a nice refurb with new sound systems installed. The stations look great too. They track is all new except for the back areas.

Tiki room there is just no words to describe the before and after. You will just have to see it for yourself because it is amazing.

Have you actually ridden Splash Mountain Voodoop? Also, with Fastpasses for Splash Mountain how long would you normally wait in line for Splash if you had a fast pass?

[Coasterbuf]

Originally posted by RCTTalk

I just don't get why the same company is always putting WDW first when Disneyland and California Adventure could get that extra boost.



Simple economics. Attendance is greater at WDW. They have more land, more things to offer people and have a great deal of tourism from Europe.

Disneyland has none of that.

But I do still consider it the best. Certainly the best "magic kingdom" type park. As for the 50th...yeah, it would have been nice to have a brand new E ticket. But considering that every building in the park will have been painted, Space Mtn will be redone, Buzz is up and running, new things are to be seen in Haunted Mansion and Jungle Cruise, gold paint on original attractions (Mark Twain looks GREAT!) and that they will have what will most likely be the most amazing fireworks show ever, I'm pretty happy.

They also have a new show where Mickey climbs the top of the Matterhorn. It's interesting (and a little bit scary!) to see a costumed character climb that thing. At the top he unfurls a big flag and streamers shoot from the top. It's nice to see something different going on. And nice to see the climbers back too.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Coasterbuf
Simple economics. Attendance is greater at WDW. They have more land, more things to offer people and have a great deal of tourism from Europe.

Disneyland has none of that.

But I do still consider it the best. Certainly the best "magic kingdom" type park. As for the 50th...yeah, it would have been nice to have a brand new E ticket. But considering that every building in the park will have been painted, Space Mtn will be redone, Buzz is up and running, new things are to be seen in Haunted Mansion and Jungle Cruise, gold paint on original attractions (Mark Twain looks GREAT!) and that they will have what will most likely be the most amazing fireworks show ever, I'm pretty happy.

They also have a new show where Mickey climbs the top of the Matterhorn. It's interesting (and a little bit scary!) to see a costumed character climb that thing. At the top he unfurls a big flag and streamers shoot from the top. It's nice to see something different going on. And nice to see the climbers back too.

I probably just missed the Mickey climbing the Matterhorn before I left.

Yes, WDW has more attendance, because of all its adds! I live farther away from WDW then Disneyland and never once have I gotten a Disneyland commercial, just WDW.

Also, Disneyland does technically have much of untouched land. I heard they bought a strawberry farm which has been unused. I would like to see a third park put there. Also, there are tons of parking lots which can be changed into something more interesting. When I was there, the CM's directed us all to the Parking Structure and other parking lots were bare. Disneyland is a very busy park at times (especially Saturdays) and does reach capacity at times. California Adventure can be very busy at times as well. Maybe with a third park it could compete with WDW.

To improve it, I say Disneyland should advertise more internationally than state wide. CA should also receive more attractions to attract more people and Disneyland is fine the way it is.

There was this one other poster I must agree with, he or she said," The people who worked for Disney thought the whole theme park franchise started 1971, not 1955."<I couldn't agree more.

[Coasterbuf]

Actually those "empty" parking lots you speak of do fill up. In fact, they will probably need every last spot this summer. While you aren't excited about the 50th, the increasing attendance levels already show it's impact. And most of it hasn't even started yet!

As for the build-it-and-they-will-come philosophy...yes and no. Disneyland (or ANY park in Socal) will never be the draw they once were internationally. Most Europeans aren't going to fly past Disneyworld and spend 6 more hours to get to California. And where the Japanese used to feed the west coast tourism the way the Europeans feed the east coast, that is no longer the case.

In a way, by building other parks in places where people come from to begin with, Disney has cannibalized it's older stateside parks a bit. There's a reason Disneyland went down and Japan's MK became the most attended park.

I do agree with you that they could advertise Disneyland more. But I think the WDW focus is due to Disney owned hotel space. By driving them to California, they can only reap so much from their limited hotel rooms. Take that same visitor and send them to Florida though, and they can make a lot more money on having each and every one stay on site. It adds up.

[k_peek_2000]

im over it now that eisners gone, but like enjoy the forum.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Coasterbuf
Actually those "empty" parking lots you speak of do fill up. In fact, they will probably need every last spot this summer. While you aren't excited about the 50th, the increasing attendance levels already show it's impact. And most of it hasn't even started yet!

As for the build-it-and-they-will-come philosophy...yes and no. Disneyland (or ANY park in Socal) will never be the draw they once were internationally. Most Europeans aren't going to fly past Disneyworld and spend 6 more hours to get to California. And where the Japanese used to feed the west coast tourism the way the Europeans feed the east coast, that is no longer the case.

In a way, by building other parks in places where people come from to begin with, Disney has cannibalized it's older stateside parks a bit. There's a reason Disneyland went down and Japan's MK became the most attended park.

I do agree with you that they could advertise Disneyland more. But I think the WDW focus is due to Disney owned hotel space. By driving them to California, they can only reap so much from their limited hotel rooms. Take that same visitor and send them to Florida though, and they can make a lot more money on having each and every one stay on site. It adds up.

One thing you are forgetting is that the European's have Disneyland Paris. Also, what I'm trying to get at, is for the west side of North America to advertise for Disneyland and the east, Disney World. Instead of just advertisements for DL in Cali and the rest of North America for Walt Disney World.

[J_Snow]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
One thing you are forgetting is that the European's have Disneyland Paris. Also, what I'm trying to get at, is for the west side of North America to advertise for Disneyland and the east, Disney World. Instead of just advertisements for DL in Cali and the rest of North America for Walt Disney World.

I've been in San Fransisco for the last 2 weeks and I've seen ads for both DLR and WDW. I wonder though if you call the reservations line they try to steer you to Florida.

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Have you actually ridden Splash Mountain Voodoop? Also, with Fastpasses for Splash Mountain how long would you normally wait in line for Splash if you had a fast pass?

Stand by: 100-180 on average.
Fastpass: 40

Just forget that though I always go into the single rider line and get on in like 5 min.:)
BTW I must have been on Splash Mountain at least 500 times.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
Stand by: 100-180 on average.
Fastpass: 40

Just forget that though I always go into the single rider line and get on in like 5 min.:)
BTW I must have been on Splash Mountain at least 500 times.

Whoops I meant after Splash's most recent rehab. LoL. Are the new logs better? I heard they were still only loading about 5 passengers per boat. For some reason, that ride just can't have a short line. Haha. Only time I ever walked on Splash was when it was raining cats and dogs and the park was super deserted, which was back in 2001.

[Harpo]

One interesting tidbit that I picked up while in California a couple of years ago. Apparently, Disney wanted to buy Knott's Berry Farm with the intention of tearing down the park. (I wouldn't be surprised if they then intended to build a new Disney park on the site.) The Knott family didn't want the park torn down, but they also didn't want to run the park any longer, which is how it wound up getting sold to Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair agreed to keep the park and the Mrs. Knott's Chicken Dinner Restaurant, which is what the Knott family wanted.

[Coasterbuf]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
One thing you are forgetting is that the European's have Disneyland Paris. Also, what I'm trying to get at, is for the west side of North America to advertise for Disneyland and the east, Disney World. Instead of just advertisements for DL in Cali and the rest of North America for Walt Disney World.

Ah no. Not forgetting that at all. They still come to Florida, unlike the Japanese whom seem content with their park and now forgo the visits to the west coast they once made. I guess that's why Disneyland Paris has not been as successful as once hoped. The target market still prefers to go to Florida. Especially during the winter months when people want to escape the cold. Paris can't compete with that.

And I agree with you on the advertising. But I also explained why it's not done that way. All boils down to economics.

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Whoops I meant after Splash's most recent rehab. LoL. Are the new logs better? I heard they were still only loading about 5 passengers per boat. For some reason, that ride just can't have a short line. Haha. Only time I ever walked on Splash was when it was raining cats and dogs and the park was super deserted, which was back in 2001.

The new logs are a designers nightmare. They are so heavy in the back due to the extra weight that they get stuck on the hydrolic brakes on the bottom of the flume. They are all wrong and the ride is scheduled to go down this month to fix this problem before the anniversary comes. The ride was only open for a couple hours Sat and was not open at all on Sunday due to this problem. They dont sit anyone in the back because it will cause the ride to go 101 when it goes past a brake. They also are cheaper looking logs then the other ones. They dont have that dark wood type of look, it looks plastic and I dont like that. Yes I have been on it since the refurb.

[DBFan117]

Go to miceage.com and read the article by Al Lutz and he explains the splash mt. problems. There was actually some flooding because of the logs.

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by DBFan117
Go to miceage.com and read the article by Al Lutz and he explains the splash mt. problems. There was actually some flooding because of the logs.

Yes this also caused the animatronics to stop working because it flooded the computer room that controls them.:(

[k_peek_2000]

I must admit. The changes to disneyland are far greater than I would of expected. The hidden Mickey ears were pretty neat. But again to my first point. Disneyland was Definatly "Shafted". No doubt in my mind. It is disneylands 50th anniversery not WDW. Its not right that WDW Gets Soarin, A new stunt show, Cinderellabration(somthing like that), And Expedition Everest. When DL get a floating head and some new paint. I am happy that they moved the opening date for space mountain up. I dont think it needed to be updated. Just Repainted. A new E-ticket ride would of been awsome for DCA and DL but whatever. WDW was Disney's Dream and there is nothing I can do about it.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by k_peek_2000
I must admit. The changes to disneyland are far greater than I would of expected. The hidden Mickey ears were pretty neat. But again to my first point. Disneyland was Definatly "Shafted". No doubt in my mind. It is disneylands 50th anniversery not WDW. Its not right that WDW Gets Soarin, A new stunt show, Cinderellabration(somthing like that), And Expedition Everest. When DL get a floating head and some new paint. I am happy that they moved the opening date for space mountain up. I dont think it needed to be updated. Just Repainted. A new E-ticket ride would of been awsome for DCA and DL but whatever. WDW was Disney's Dream and there is nothing I can do about it.

I agree with you. Disneyland however is now receiving Buzz Lightyear, which is open now. California Adventure is getting a Monsters Inc. ride and in Disneyland there are rumors that a Finding Nemo submarine ride will open after the 50th in Tomorrowland. The only problem I see with the Nemo ride is that how does a small little fish relate to the future? Also, Disneyland received some little ride refurbs for the 50th. I, myself don't really care for the Golden vehicles at DL, from pictures, it kind of looks wierd. I do like the new 50 floral thingy at the entrance though.

IMHO, I am not thrilled at all when it comes to Space Mountain re-opening. I hear they replaced the old track with a new track but didn't make any changes to the track itself. *Yawn*. Then I heard they painted the floor black *yawn*. Then I heard they replaced the rockets, Yay! And painted the mountain white again and enhanced some effects. What I keep asking myself is why did they close Space Mountain for 2 years when they could have left the track the way it is (if there was nothing wrong with it), they could have just replaced the rockets, painted it, and put in new effects and you get the same ride but with a reduced closing time.

[WoddenWarior]

I don't know how some of you can hate WDW!!! :sour:

Anyway, to stay on-topic, Expedition Everest is not the same attraction as the Matterhorn! It's tallers, faster, scarier, and it goes backwards. Not the same ride.

[Voodoopcfreak]

Originally posted by WoddenWarior
I don't know how some of you can hate WDW!!! :sour:

Anyway, to stay on-topic, Expedition Everest is not the same attraction as the Matterhorn! It's tallers, faster, scarier, and it goes backwards. Not the same ride.

It is the same theme as the Matterhorn so therefore it is a imitation. It is the same ride in a sense of theme. And people dont hate WDW it is just that Disneyland is better. No matter how many rides or parks they add over at WDW, Disneyland will always be better because of its history and nastalgia and being the only park Walt Disney has walked in. When Space Mountain opens it will just kill all the rest of the parks in quality hands down.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Voodoopcfreak
It is the same theme as the Matterhorn so therefore it is a imitation. It is the same ride in a sense of theme. And people dont hate WDW it is just that Disneyland is better. No matter how many rides or parks they add over at WDW, Disneyland will always be better because of its history and nastalgia and being the only park Walt Disney has walked in. When Space Mountain opens it will just kill all the rest of the parks in quality hands down.

I agree. The Magic Kingdom can't compare. Disneyland's Fantasyland beats Magic Kingdoms Fantasyland hands down. Also Disneyland is better laid out as well and also has Critter Country. I never thought Splash Mountain fit into Frontierland anyways.

[DBFan117]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
What I keep asking myself is why did they close Space Mountain for 2 years when they could have left the track the way it is (if there was nothing wrong with it), they could have just replaced the rockets, painted it, and put in new effects and you get the same ride but with a reduced closing time.

Where did you hear that because it is not true. There were plans to redo the ride and then it had some big problems and was closed early. The track had to be replaced because it was in a bad state.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by DBFan117
Where did you hear that because it is not true. There were plans to redo the ride and then it had some big problems and was closed early. The track had to be replaced because it was in a bad state.

Hmm, kind of wierd how the Matterhorn still runs on a very old track and survives. LoL. Maybe the Matterhorn should close for a while and have the track replaced as well. It might create a much smoother ride (I personally like the rough ride) but I don't recall the Matterhorn ever having a track replaced.

I guess I just wanted Space Mountain's Imagineers to be more creative with their brand new track and maybe add something different to it.

[DBFan117]

I believe the new affects will make it feel like a totally new ride. And maybe because it was closed so unexpectedly they didn't have time to design a new track. Then it would just take longer to reopen Space Mt.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by DBFan117
I believe the new affects will make it feel like a totally new ride. And maybe because it was closed so unexpectedly they didn't have time to design a new track. Then it would just take longer to reopen Space Mt.

Okay. I won't interfere with Disney's plans. I think I'm one of the few who didn't overly enjoy Space Mountain last time I was there, I guess I was hoping for a brand new one but that's fine. :)

[J_Snow]

I have no ideas what they are or are not doing to space mountain-but I would think that at least with new track there may be more opportunity to incorporate newer enhancemets to lift hill, braking, etc. Plus I would think that overall this was done to safe money since all newer fixtures would be less costly to maintain and will provide greater up-time as well...

Just my 2 cents...

[rosscoe(AU)]

There was a story going around that space mountain at nite time would become a whole new ride ( rocket mountain )

As in total darkness/Backwards/New soundtrack, any one else heard this !!

[J_Snow]

actually-now that you mention I did hear something about that-but have no clue or reference to tell us if its true or not... that would help explain the total gutting of the building though... I hope it is...

[Squid2]

Yes, it's true.... there's supposed to be different effects and a different soundtrack when it's "Rocket Mountain" However, I don't know if the cars will be backwards or not. No one knows when they're going to change the mountain to Rocket mountain... it may be certain days, or at night, or whatever.

Squid2

[DBFan117]

Originally posted by rosscoe(AU)
There was a story going around that space mountain at nite time would become a whole new ride ( rocket mountain )

As in total darkness/Backwards/New soundtrack, any one else heard this !!

It is actually Rockit Mountain and people have taken pictures of the new sign and you can see it on there. And at night it will be a different soundtrack with different effects.

And it will not open up this way when Space Mt. reopens of July 15th. Right now the rumor going around is that Rockit Mt. will begin in 2006. It will be done at the same time that Tower of Terror in DCA gets a random drop sequence.

[Coasterbuf]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Hmm, kind of wierd how the Matterhorn still runs on a very old track and survives. LoL.

The Matterhorn didn't have a heavy on board audio system retrofit causing stress on the track either!!! When you do something a ride was never designed for...well...let's just say I hope they learned their lesson.

[Coasterbuf]

Originally posted by DBFan117
I believe the new affects will make it feel like a totally new ride. And maybe because it was closed so unexpectedly they didn't have time to design a new track. Then it would just take longer to reopen Space Mt.

Had nothing to do with the early closing. The plan was always to have the same track layout and use the same plans for Hong Kong's new Space Mountain while at it.

Space Mountain is a popular ride. The need wasn't seen for a new track plan. And I have to agree. People like it fine the way it is. It will once again, be the longest line in the park when it reopens.

OH..and let's squash that silly rumor while we are at it..... NO BACKWARDS RIDE. Rockit will just be a new soundtrack and other show changes. If all goes according to plan. ;)

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Coasterbuf
Had nothing to do with the early closing. The plan was always to have the same track layout and use the same plans for Hong Kong's new Space Mountain while at it.

Space Mountain is a popular ride. The need wasn't seen for a new track plan. And I have to agree. People like it fine the way it is. It will once again, be the longest line in the park when it reopens.

OH..and let's squash that silly rumor while we are at it..... NO BACKWARDS RIDE. Rockit will just be a new soundtrack and other show changes. If all goes according to plan. ;)

Hmm, Splash really could give Space a run for its money on wait times. I'm sure Space will have massive lines when it first opens but after that, Splash Mountain just has absolutely insane lines. I've never seen that line below a 60 minute wait.

[k_peek_2000]

My bro works at disneyland and rode it twice already. he said that the track is so much smoother and the effects are 1000 times better. Basicly same track layout. Sorry to to hurt your feelings if you were expecting a total knew ride. thought its more of an extremely updated ver. of a classic. and no the subs arnt finding nemo theme, from what ive heard.

I have also heard (like usual) that Rock'n roller coaster is coming to DCA and they are bringing the people movers back. he told me, they are going to use the rocket rod tracks for it.

[DBFan117]

Originally posted by k_peek_2000
My bro works at disneyland and rode it twice already. he said that the track is so much smoother and the effects are 1000 times better. Basicly same track layout. Sorry to to hurt your feelings if you were expecting a total knew ride. thought its more of an extremely updated ver. of a classic. and no the subs arnt finding nemo theme, from what ive heard.

I have also heard (like usual) that Rock'n roller coaster is coming to DCA and they are bringing the people movers back. he told me, they are going to use the rocket rod tracks for it. Actually the subs is a finding nemo theme. I know that 100%. And there are no plans at this time for a rockin' rollercoaster at DCA. The CM's actually know very little about future plans and they make up many rumors.

[k_peek_2000]

I can tell you. That it is extremely logical that the rock'n rollercoaster will come to the backlot. I mean TOT doesnt really have a hollywood feel to it. other than the fact of the name. and it was after a show. It really feels like a spooky ride more than anything. I can see them building a RNRC there in the future. even if my bro was B.Sin

[EastCoastn07]

You guys sound like a bunch of babies...No offense, but who cares if the coaster is similar to Mattahorn. I mean, Disneyland got a Tower of Terror but did people who like WDW whine about it, no. You look at all the Six Flags parks, have you even taken a look and seen how many Batman: The Ride clones they have or what about Deja Vu or Superman: Ultimate Flight. You don't see these parks whining about getting a clone of a ride, they are actually happy that Six Flags is spending money on them! That's what I hate about you Disney people, you get everything you ever wanted and you still find a way to whine about it. Let's cry that Disney World is getting a coaster with a similar theme as Mattahorn. It's not the same ride experience, get over it. Last time I checked, Disneyland got a whole new park with coasters and tons of rides that are all up to date. You cannot blame Disney for trying to put some more interest into bringing more people to animal kingdom. Stop crying and get over it. I doubt Disney is going to take back that 100 million just to satisfy a bunch of people whining.

[DBFan117]

I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up building a RNR and it would make a nice adition. But rumors say the next E ticket will open in 2008 and that it will be an original ride. So RNR would be some time away.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by DBFan117
Actually the subs is a finding nemo theme. I know that 100%. And there are no plans at this time for a rockin' rollercoaster at DCA. The CM's actually know very little about future plans and they make up many rumors.

No one can be positive about it because Disney hasn't confirmed Nemo. I personally don't wanto see a Nemo Ride in Tomorrowland, how would they fit the theme to Nemo and not make it very cheesy? If anything, a Nemo ride could do well in California Adventure because California does border the ocean and it could be an underwater ocean dive or something ride. People always complain about how bad California Adventure is and how it doesn't stick to a California Theme, but how would a Nemo ride fit in with a Tomorrowland theme? I love California Adventure just as much as Disneyland and I think CA could use a little more rides.

[aoshi]

I happen to like California Aventure a lot too, sometimes I spend more time there then in Disneyland. Sometimes :p

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by aoshi67
I happen to like California Aventure a lot too, sometimes I spend more time there then in Disneyland. Sometimes :p

Yay. LoL. It's nice to see some people who don't automatically trash the park because it exists.

People who live close to DLR don't realize how lucky they are to have two great parks near them. Where I live, the closest theme park is a few hundred miles away. So when I see people trash CA, it disappoints me because I would be lucky to have a park half as good as CA near me.

[alpengeist04]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Yay. LoL. It's nice to see some people who don't automatically trash the park because it exists.

People who live close to DLR don't realize how lucky they are to have two great parks near them. Where I live, the closest theme park is a few hundred miles away. So when I see people trash CA, it disappoints me because I would be lucky to have a park half as good as CA near me.

I agree RCTTalk. I'm three hours from Carowinds, PKD, and BGW.:(

[Squid2]

Alpengeist, where do you live? I keep trying to figure out where you're at.... West Viriginia is my guess.

Oh, and btw, I got to ride Alpengeist!!! Great coaster!

Squid2

[k_peek_2000]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
No one can be positive about it because Disney hasn't confirmed Nemo. I personally don't wanto see a Nemo Ride in Tomorrowland, how would they fit the theme to Nemo and not make it very cheesy? If anything, a Nemo ride could do well in California Adventure because California does border the ocean and it could be an underwater ocean dive or something ride. People always complain about how bad California Adventure is and how it doesn't stick to a California Theme, but how would a Nemo ride fit in with a Tomorrowland theme? I love California Adventure just as much as Disneyland and I think CA could use a little more rides.

That is a good idea. They do have paradise peir. and the enourmous lake. which i think is stupid because there is no reason it should be anywhere that big. heck throw a finding nemo ride in there. make it useful.

It really does look like rockin is coming to DCA, Here is a forum of CM's talking about this. http://www.visionsfantastic.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=652 . TOLD YOU!

[alpengeist04]

Originally posted by Squid2
Alpengeist, where do you live? I keep trying to figure out where you're at.... West Viriginia is my guess.

Oh, and btw, I got to ride Alpengeist!!! Great coaster!

Squid2


I live in Raleigh, North Carolina. I'm about six hours from SFOG.;)

P.S. Alpengeist is still my favorite inverted coaster.:D

[Joshua H]

Check out these photos...hardly another matterhorn...



http://www.wdwmagic.com/beastly.htm

http://webcot.free.fr/disneyworld/ak/everest/everest-model.jpg

http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/guides/animalkingdom/photos/everest_800.jpg

http://photoalbums.wdwmagic.com/data/500/7552Close_up.jpg

http://photoalbums.wdwmagic.com/data/500/7552Train.jpg

Plus the trains are going to go forward, backward, and almost straight down at one point...

http://www.wdwmagic.com/beastly.htm

Also check out...
http://www.coastersandmore.de/rides/iaapa2004/iaapa6.shtml

[alpengeist04]

Looks like it's going to be a fun ride.:D Thanks for the pics.:up:

[Joshua H]

Isn't it odd that the rear wheels can turn completely 90º, or am I just seeing that wrong?

[beck2003]

um....the wheels swivel. look closer.

i think this ride is going to be extremely unique and fun!

[J_Snow]

i hope thats not the marking of a 'spinning' coaster of any kind... those are puke machines for me...:bulb:

[BorisTheFish]

doesnt EE have a backwards section, if so, could that have anything to do with that?

[Squid2]

Okay, I can see how a single car could move sideways... but a whole train? How do you make that many separate tracks and still keep a consistent track layout? I could see one end of the train swivel about a central point... but a whole train would require multiple tracks to pull off the same stunt.

Squid2

[BorisTheFish]

Originally posted by Squid2
Okay, I can see how a single car could move sideways... but a whole train? How do you make that many separate tracks and still keep a consistent track layout? I could see one end of the train swivel about a central point... but a whole train would require multiple tracks to pull off the same stunt.

Squid2
that picture above looks like its the whole train....lets face it, it couldnt be the front of the train could it?

also, there doesnt appear to be any method of coupling other cars (that i can see at least, unless the sre slightly out of shot)

[Squid2]

One of the pictures I've seen shows two cars together, and the rear car lacks the 'engine' up front and has an extra row of seats. They're obviously hooked up together like a normal rollercoaster train, which makes me wonder why make wheels that swivel.... I'm wondering if the individual cars can somehow separate from each other and then link back up...

Anyone else have any idea why you should have swivel wheels on a full train of cars?

Squid2

[Joshua H]

I guess it could also just be so that the train can do some REALLY tight corners, so it would feel like it is dodging objects.... Are there other rides that have that appear to have the ability to swivel that much, but don't?

[k_peek_2000]

id say, the only difference between this ride and the matterhorn. is that this ride is only 80million dollars more expencive

[Joshua H]

Another photo of the car....in the background on the paper, you can see the vehicles without the engine section....

http://www.coastersandmore.de/rides/forbiddenmountain/forbiddenmountain.shtml

[HeartlineTwist]

Okay, first off, I'm going to agree with you that if it's Disneyland's Birthday/50 years, it should be the only park getting anything. But that's honestly just not practical. Disney World is pretty much the Disney Company's top draw as a whole because they get a lot of out of towners that visit all the parks. As such, they should be getting new stuff. Also, consider this: Disneyland, for the most part, has run out of useable room for any sort of big attraction. California Adventure still needs a lot of help, but they just GOT Tower of Terror, so it's not that fair. I hate to tell you, yes, the subs are coming back and YES they are going to be Nemo. How do I know this? Well, when the walls first went up, for a short time, they were Nemo themed. Then they decided not to announce it on the 5th at the last minute, thus it went to the generic "Imagineers at play".

As for Expedition Everest, your outburst is quite undeserved. If you are going to moan about something for being a clone/similar idea, then moan about things that are actually clones, like Soarin', Star Tours, Pirates of the Carribbean, The Haunted Mansion, and all of that stuff. There are many key differences with Expedition Everest: 1) Does go backwards at some point 2) Themed to Everest, not Matterhorn 3) Actually has a substantial enough drop to be called a drop 4) Backstory COMPLETELY different. Now, where are your similarities 1)Yeti 2)Mountain...I mean, beyond that, they aren't really similar. Matterhorn is much more of a tame ride and I can tell this one is going to be a little more thrill oriented. Not to mention, this fits in with the theme of the park. You'd maybe have an argument if they actually DID clone the Matterhorn, but there really is no use complaining beyond that. It's clear Disney wanted a coaster and they wanted to put it in Asia. What are you SUPPOSED to theme that to?

[k_peek_2000]

Okay, I must admit. I have been a bit whiney. But to be honest with you. When was the last major addation to disneyland? I mean a first class origional thrill ride. Rocket Rods I beleive was an attempt at a thrill ride. But It turned out. They got so little funding for Rocket Rods. They couldnt even put in banked turns. It was terrable! I'd say a big addition to Disneyland Resort was DCA. DCA was a cheap park! Only 400million dollars For a whole entire disney theme park. And now it turns out disney decides to build a single ride, that costs 100million dollars in florda. That is 1/4 of all of california adventure for 1 ride in florda. Its a slap in the face to disneyland!!!!

[HeartlineTwist]

DCA as a whole was a slap to the face of Disneyland. Florida pulls in more money. I would call Disney World the crown jewel of the theme parks because of the amount it takes in. The last major ride that was added to Disneyland that you could call a thrill ride was almost 10 years ago. That's right, Indiana Jones. As for Rocket Rods, I'm not sure the problem was with funding as much at how impractical it would be to mess around with construction on the People Mover track. But from my standing, if we're talking about the Land itself, it'd have to be Indy. Sure, this is wrong, but look at it this way: Animal Kingdom hasn't gotten anything substantial since the Primeval Whirl and Triceratop Spin thing, which both probably didn't cost all that much. If ANYTHING at Disney World deserves a new ride, it's definitely Animal Kingdom. Also, they built Tower in DCA which was SUPPOSEDLY around the 100mil mark. I don't think DCA deserved that funding. It's a flawed concept, even though I enjoy the park, it just doesn't bring in what they hoped it would and it's their faults.

[k_peek_2000]

What is bothering me is why cant they build a new ride. A NEW RIDE at disneyland. Non of this remaking old ride. that is bullsh*.
It is disneylands 50th Anniversery. They would pull in HUGE crowds if disneyland only celebrated it. In the end. It is not fair to DL. The only disneypark that really is 50 years old.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
DCA as a whole was a slap to the face of Disneyland. Florida pulls in more money. I would call Disney World the crown jewel of the theme parks because of the amount it takes in. The last major ride that was added to Disneyland that you could call a thrill ride was almost 10 years ago. That's right, Indiana Jones. As for Rocket Rods, I'm not sure the problem was with funding as much at how impractical it would be to mess around with construction on the People Mover track. But from my standing, if we're talking about the Land itself, it'd have to be Indy. Sure, this is wrong, but look at it this way: Animal Kingdom hasn't gotten anything substantial since the Primeval Whirl and Triceratop Spin thing, which both probably didn't cost all that much. If ANYTHING at Disney World deserves a new ride, it's definitely Animal Kingdom. Also, they built Tower in DCA which was SUPPOSEDLY around the 100mil mark. I don't think DCA deserved that funding. It's a flawed concept, even though I enjoy the park, it just doesn't bring in what they hoped it would and it's their faults.

Excuse me, but don't bash DCA. It's not a flawed concept. It's a great park, I wish I lived close to a park half as good as DCA, so watching someone who is so ungreatful towards a great park makes me sad. I happened to visit DCA just when it opened in February 2001 and we had an awesome time before Tower I might add. The park is a tribute to California and I see nothing flawed about that. Soarin Over California is one of my favorite rides in the resort, along with Tower and Big Thunder. I find it hard to believe that you say you enjoy the park even though you say they don't deserve any funding. If you think the park is that bad, then how on earth will DCA get better if they invest no more money into future attractions for the park?

DCA IMHO is great and your words about it saddens me because people take living close to 2 great parks for granted. Where the closest theme park I live to is at least a 6 hour drive away.

[k_peek_2000]

I live 9minutes away from DCA. The concept is not flawed. Its a great concept. Its just old. I love that place. I have nothing against DCA. I was there riding in the park in january before it opened and riding tower before it opened too! My bro is a CM so I get to go to special occasions. And ride rides before they open. I think DCA should change some themeing issues and park issues. My main and only real problem with DCA is paradice pier. The lake is literally 1/6 the entire park. Its cheap and too big. They need to take it out or do somthing with it. Other than that. Dca is great. But needs some changes.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by k_peek_2000
I live 9minutes away from DCA. The concept is not flawed. Its a great concept. Its just old. I love that place. I have nothing against DCA. I was there riding in the park in january before it opened and riding tower before it opened too! My bro is a CM so I get to go to special occasions. And ride rides before they open. I think DCA should change some themeing issues and park issues. My main and only real problem with DCA is paradice pier. The lake is literally 1/6 the entire park. Its cheap and too big. They need to take it out or do somthing with it. Other than that. Dca is great. But needs some changes.

I agree that the lake is bare. That's why I suggested that Disney puts the Finding Nemo ride in the lake. Nemo lives in an ocean, Cali borders an ocean so why not? Haha. The lake does give great photos but they really need to do something with it, I agree. I would love to come back to DCA and have subs or a different water themed ride in the lake there because it would really boost what DCA needs, which is more high quality attractions. Tower is great, Monsters is coming and I'm sure more rides will come.

Anyways, this is totally off topic but since it's July 4, would anyone know if Disneyland hit capacity today? Because I've heard it almost always does.

[Coasterbuf]

Originally posted by k_peek_2000
What is bothering me is why cant they build a new ride. A NEW RIDE at disneyland. Non of this remaking old ride. that is bullsh*.
It is disneylands 50th Anniversery. They would pull in HUGE crowds if disneyland only celebrated it.

Uh...have you been to Disneyland lately? They ARE pulling in HUGE crowds. They don't need anything to pull in any more people. There'd be no place to put them!!!

Also as someone else mentioned, Disneyland has space problems, Florida does not. So what are you willing to give up for your new ride? Most people would say nothing yet and like Disneyland the way it is. The attendance numbers reflect that. To put in a ride the size of Everest, you'd lose an entire land at Disneyland! It's just not practical. At some point they will need to remove a major ride again in order to go forward (like they did with Nature's Wonderland for Big Thunder) , but they are not there yet.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Coasterbuf
Uh...have you been to Disneyland lately? They ARE pulling in HUGE crowds. They don't need anything to pull in any more people. There'd be no place to put them!!!

Also as someone else mentioned, Disneyland has space problems, Florida does not. So what are you willing to give up for your new ride? Most people would say nothing yet and like Disneyland the way it is. The attendance numbers reflect that. To put in a ride the size of Everest, you'd lose an entire land at Disneyland! It's just not practical. At some point they will need to remove a major ride again in order to go forward (like they did with Nature's Wonderland for Big Thunder) , but they are not there yet.

I'm willing to give up Big Thunder Ranch. :). It's always closed anyways, atleast this way it will remain closed forever. :). I actually heard someone else on the boards who says that DL actually has lots of hidden room to build attractions (Voodoop).

Also, DCA also has room for expansion, if they took out that parking lot, they could even add a 6th land to the park. Of course, they can always build another Mickey and Friends Parking Structure elsewhere but that would clost a lot of money.

[Harpo]

With that Mickey and Friends parking, I am a little surprised that Disney didn't extend the Monorail to the lot. (Or, perhaps, adding a new monorail would have been an easier choice.) It just seems to me like that would have added more to the overall experience than the trams that they currently use, especially with the Monorail crossing the "Golden Gate Bridge" in California Adventure.

Oh well. It seems that Disney failed to ask for my opinion on this issue!

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by Harpo
With that Mickey and Friends parking, I am a little surprised that Disney didn't extend the Monorail to the lot. (Or, perhaps, adding a new monorail would have been an easier choice.) It just seems to me like that would have added more to the overall experience than the trams that they currently use, especially with the Monorail crossing the "Golden Gate Bridge" in California Adventure.

Oh well. It seems that Disney failed to ask for my opinion on this issue!

Heck, they didn't listen to my awesome opinion either. Haha.

OooO, I love those trams, please remain seated, please place smaller children closer to the middle, keep all arms and legs inside of the vehicle. What a great way to start your Disney experience.

I heard that it would cost 4 million dollars to expand the monorail, and that's only to connect it to DCA, so I wonder how much and how long it will take to complete the monorail to get all the way from the structure back to the actual track. I wouldn't mind it :) but I'm sure they won't spend big bucks on transportation. I even heard yesterday on July 4, when the fireworks ended, when everyone was leaving, they closed the trams to the parking structure. So 10's of thousands of people were stranded and had to walk all the way back to the parking structure. I'd fire the idiot who would close the trams because yes, the line to get on a tram would be as long as the line to get on to Splash Mountain but leaving thousands of people stranded isn't going to cheer the guests up. If these trams can carry about 200 people per tram, and a tram came after the last tram left, you could probably transport more than 1,000 people back to the lot in a little more than 5 minutes. So, going back to your point, maybe a monorail that goes to the structure could get rid of the congested walkways. At least then, everyone can be waiting for hours to get out of the structure in their cars instead of walking. :)

I heard getting back to the structure on the 4th was hel* because they weren't running the trams. I wonder how they cope when New Years rolls around... because those are the busiest days of the year...:confused: Bottom line, they have to improve their transportation.:D

[HeartlineTwist]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Excuse me, but don't bash DCA. It's not a flawed concept. It's a great park, I wish I lived close to a park half as good as DCA, so watching someone who is so ungreatful towards a great park makes me sad. I happened to visit DCA just when it opened in February 2001 and we had an awesome time before Tower I might add. The park is a tribute to California and I see nothing flawed about that. Soarin Over California is one of my favorite rides in the resort, along with Tower and Big Thunder. I find it hard to believe that you say you enjoy the park even though you say they don't deserve any funding. If you think the park is that bad, then how on earth will DCA get better if they invest no more money into future attractions for the park?

DCA IMHO is great and your words about it saddens me because people take living close to 2 great parks for granted. Where the closest theme park I live to is at least a 6 hour drive away.

I'm sorry, but you're pretty funny. First, you ASSUME that I live close to either one of those parks. Here, you indeed are wrong. I am stuck out in Oklahoma. That's around a 23 hour drive to California and about a 20 hour drive to Florida, so I'm taking neither park for granted.

Also, I still strongly stand by my idea that DCA doesn't need another new ride so soon or any sort of extensively major money thrown at it for at least another year or two, or until Disneyland gets a new E-Ticket (subs, perhaps). Like I said, last year they just got Tower of Terror. Unless you count Space Mountain, which I realize took considerable money to do what they did, and Matt's beautification of Disneyland (superb job by the way) Disneyland has not had a MAJOR E-Ticket since Indiana Jones over 10 years ago.

Like I said, I LOVE DCA. Loved it when I went in April of 2001 and loved it when I went in December of 2003. But I have to be honest and say it is a flawed concept, or at best, an above average concept that was flawed in its handling. The park lacks any sort of berm and it hurts the escapist feel of other Disney parks. Save for Screamin', Grizzly River Run, and Soarin', most of the other rides are either clones or off-the-shelf carnival sort of rides. Yes, I realize lots of rides are cloned and it happens all the time, but the Backlot section of the park would be dead if you took out every cloned concept. Yes, I realize that there are carnival type rides in other Disney parks, but carrying out the Boardwalk theme such as they did seems more like an excuse. The reason I don't think they deserve extra funding for a while is because they have been getting new rides with more frequency than Disneyland. Yes, a budding park needs it, but I'd rather Dinseyland get one great E-Ticket for 2 or 3 of DCA's rides that fail to meet their potential. Another reason I feel it is a failed concept is because it simply isn't being embraced by the general public at large, for the most part. Maybe if the whole DCA thing had started under Matt's reign, we would have a better concept/execution of a concept. I guess it just seems that so much of what ended up in the park is, at best, loosely connected to the overall theme. Based on other Disney parks around the world, ESPECIALLY the perfect example of what the Imagineers can do when funding and profit isn't the bottom line (Tokyo Disney Seas), it just seems that DCA can't stand up as well, so it should take a break for a little bit.

Like I said, don't get me wrong, I love DCA and have enjoyed the park on both of my past trips when it was open, but when it comes to new things heading to Anaheim, I prefer they head to the 'Land for a little while before heading back to DCA. That's it.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
I'm sorry, but you're pretty funny. First, you ASSUME that I live close to either one of those parks. Here, you indeed are wrong. I am stuck out in Oklahoma. That's around a 23 hour drive to California and about a 20 hour drive to Florida, so I'm taking neither park for granted.

Also, I still strongly stand by my idea that DCA doesn't need another new ride so soon or any sort of extensively major money thrown at it for at least another year or two, or until Disneyland gets a new E-Ticket (subs, perhaps). Like I said, last year they just got Tower of Terror. Unless you count Space Mountain, which I realize took considerable money to do what they did, and Matt's beautification of Disneyland (superb job by the way) Disneyland has not had a MAJOR E-Ticket since Indiana Jones over 10 years ago.

Like I said, I LOVE DCA. Loved it when I went in April of 2001 and loved it when I went in December of 2003. But I have to be honest and say it is a flawed concept, or at best, an above average concept that was flawed in its handling. The park lacks any sort of berm and it hurts the escapist feel of other Disney parks. Save for Screamin', Grizzly River Run, and Soarin', most of the other rides are either clones or off-the-shelf carnival sort of rides. Yes, I realize lots of rides are cloned and it happens all the time, but the Backlot section of the park would be dead if you took out every cloned concept. Yes, I realize that there are carnival type rides in other Disney parks, but carrying out the Boardwalk theme such as they did seems more like an excuse. The reason I don't think they deserve extra funding for a while is because they have been getting new rides with more frequency than Disneyland. Yes, a budding park needs it, but I'd rather Dinseyland get one great E-Ticket for 2 or 3 of DCA's rides that fail to meet their potential. Another reason I feel it is a failed concept is because it simply isn't being embraced by the general public at large, for the most part. Maybe if the whole DCA thing had started under Matt's reign, we would have a better concept/execution of a concept. I guess it just seems that so much of what ended up in the park is, at best, loosely connected to the overall theme. Based on other Disney parks around the world, ESPECIALLY the perfect example of what the Imagineers can do when funding and profit isn't the bottom line (Tokyo Disney Seas), it just seems that DCA can't stand up as well, so it should take a break for a little bit.

Like I said, don't get me wrong, I love DCA and have enjoyed the park on both of my past trips when it was open, but when it comes to new things heading to Anaheim, I prefer they head to the 'Land for a little while before heading back to DCA. That's it.

I live much farther away from where you are... just saying. :eek: When I was last in DL in February we met with friends and they loved California Adventure. We met them in DL, then we quickly went to California Adventure to go on Tower and Screamin. Many people do enjoy DCA, many people from out of town love the park because people have told me and some have told me their favorite ride is Tower. My parents favorite ride was probably Soarin.

The thing is, like someone posted before, DL is very short on space and getting a new E Ticket would result in getting rid of a large portion of another ride. Also, Disneyland is already having great attendance and I'm not going to lie, California Adventure isn't (whoops typo before) getting as great attendance as DL, that's why CA needs more rides.

You're pretty funny as well. Here's an example of what you are conveying: DCA does NOT deserve more funding! By the way, I love DCA. :confused: (I don't get it).

[HeartlineTwist]

The message I am conveying is that I love DCA as the park it is when I've been. That was before they even had Tower finished. BUT, that being said, it really doesn't deserve more funding FOR THE TIME BEING. It's continuously gotten new stuff and got Tower last year. Give Disneyland some new stuff. Sure, space is limited, but from what I can tell, there is a LOT of room over by Frontierland/Festival of Fools area. Heck, if you can't do that, do something worthwhile with Innoventions, HISTA, maybe a new Star Tours, or a new version of Rocket Rods/People Mover. Maybe manage to find the space in Toon Town to do something like Philharmagic.

I was one of the people that said Disneyland is running out of space. Tower is kind of shaky with me. I have not been on it, so I will reserve judgment for the most part. It does look like a good ride, with new elements. But the outside queue simply does not look as good as Florida's, and even with the mirror instead of the 5th Dimension hall, it is still a clone when the Imagineers had an opportunity to do something AMAZING. And then there's the people/rumors that support DCA getting a version of Rock'n'Rollercoaster? Ugh. I mean, can Anaheim not get anything overly original? Yes, DCA opened with original stuff, but since then, a lot has been taken from other parks.

One of the major pitfalls of DCA IMHO is the Paradise Pier lagoon because that is a LOT of space that they can't/don't seem to do or have planned to do anything too horribly productive with.

As for the attendance spike, I think that can mostly be attributed to the whole 50th Celebration leading to a spike in people staying on Resort and doing parkhopping as part of the package. I realize DCA needs time and money to get better, but Disneyland IS the better park IMO and the few problems that still remain in the Land need to be fixed before they go after the park that has a lot of problems that aren't necessarily too easily solved.

Anyways, I think the best way to continue on this discourse is to take it to a private message because this seems to have gotten horrendously derailed from topic.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
The message I am conveying is that I love DCA as the park it is when I've been. That was before they even had Tower finished. BUT, that being said, it really doesn't deserve more funding FOR THE TIME BEING. It's continuously gotten new stuff and got Tower last year. Give Disneyland some new stuff. Sure, space is limited, but from what I can tell, there is a LOT of room over by Frontierland/Festival of Fools area. Heck, if you can't do that, do something worthwhile with Innoventions, HISTA, maybe a new Star Tours, or a new version of Rocket Rods/People Mover. Maybe manage to find the space in Toon Town to do something like Philharmagic.

I was one of the people that said Disneyland is running out of space. Tower is kind of shaky with me. I have not been on it, so I will reserve judgment for the most part. It does look like a good ride, with new elements. But the outside queue simply does not look as good as Florida's, and even with the mirror instead of the 5th Dimension hall, it is still a clone when the Imagineers had an opportunity to do something AMAZING. And then there's the people/rumors that support DCA getting a version of Rock'n'Rollercoaster? Ugh. I mean, can Anaheim not get anything overly original? Yes, DCA opened with original stuff, but since then, a lot has been taken from other parks.

One of the major pitfalls of DCA IMHO is the Paradise Pier lagoon because that is a LOT of space that they can't/don't seem to do or have planned to do anything too horribly productive with.

As for the attendance spike, I think that can mostly be attributed to the whole 50th Celebration leading to a spike in people staying on Resort and doing parkhopping as part of the package. I realize DCA needs time and money to get better, but Disneyland IS the better park IMO and the few problems that still remain in the Land need to be fixed before they go after the park that has a lot of problems that aren't necessarily too easily solved.

Anyways, I think the best way to continue on this discourse is to take it to a private message because this seems to have gotten horrendously derailed from topic.

Okay, I get what you are saying.

But you said this, "Maybe manage to find the space in Toon Town to do something like Philharmagic."

I thought you said you wanted something original in the resort because Philharmagic is in The Magic Kingdom and will be in Hong Kong Disneyland as well.

The thing is, I find nothing wrong with duplicating an attraction, as long as it is a good attraction to begin with. DCA is getting Monsters Inc. as well and to my knowledge, that is an original attraction.

Disneyland is getting the subs back, I pray to God that it isn't Finding Nemo though, I love the movie but Nemo and TL don't fit. Hopefully it isn't a clone of the Paris one.

I actually believe, DCA is getting so many attractions because people complain that it lacks attractions and they are desperately trying to improve attendance by doing so. Yes, the 50th Anniversary is probably a big part on the attendance spike in Disneyland but Disneyland has always done well because it's 45 years older than DCA.

I don't agree that Disneyland is a better park than DCA. I know many people disagree with me on that :), but I love both parks equally. In your opinion DCA has problems but in my opinion I find nothing wrong with the park. The lagoon is bare but I don't consider it a problem, I consider unused space. Like I said before, the Nemo subs would fit way better in PP Lake then in Tomorrowland but Disney hasn't asked for my opinion in a while. :) Haha

[HeartlineTwist]

True, with Philharmagic, but I was saying that because DCA seems to be TEEMING with clones. Heck, the Hollywood Backlot section is the worst offender. Then you have ITTBAB. Disneyland doesn't have as much of a cloning problem. Unless I am mistaken, you could count the things that have been cloned INTO Disneyland on more than likely a single hand. Not to mention, I am suggesting they use whatever space is available, and if Toon Town needed a new ride or could fit it, Philharmagic would be a FANTASTIC fit. Then again, for the money, I would want them to do one of my other suggestions real estate-wise, which is why Philharmagic is mentioned last. I mean, it'd be cool for Disneyland to stay away from clones because they have just recently gotten a considerably inferior Pooh and a superior version of WDW's Buzz. Heck, with the rumored tests they've been doing with the subs, I don't care what the theme is or where it came from, PUT SOMETHING BACK IN THAT POND or use the space for something else.

Yeah, a Nemo theme clashes with the Tomorrowland idea a bit.

Cloned attractions as a whole aren't bad, but when you use attractions that don't leave too much to stray from (film type rides/simulators like Muppetvision, Turtle Talk, ITTBAB, Who Wants to be a Millionaire-Play It!) Tower managed to escape this problem because of both drastic visual and ride changes. The worst possible thing that can happen is when you take a great attraction and it is cloned and the clone fails to live up to where it came from.

I have my reasons for preferring Disneyland over DCA. To help see my point, if I could have either of the parks for the entire day, I would take Disneyland. These are my reasons:
1) More to do: Of course, it's 45 years older like you said.
2) Escapist: DCA can't compete. There's no berm to the park and it hurts the overall feel and theme because that particular part of Anaheim isn't too striking
3) Quality Attractions: I'm talking rides that you couldn't just find at your basic carnival, like most of Paradise Pier.
4) Better Themed Areas: This is where DCA encounters a bit of a problem. I'll break it down. Hollywood Pictures Backlot is adequately themed, an example of what the park is doing right. Condor Flats isn't too pleasing. It blends far too soon into the Grizzly Peak area and Soarin's building is dull. Yes, it's hard to disguise something that takes up the space it does, but facades are Disney's specialty and with a bit more money, they could have pulled off something a little better. (I realize the back of the building could not be helped). The Grizzly River Area is nice, but it isn't isolated enough from the other areas. The Wharf is yet again a nice area, but not much in terms of any sort of meaningful attraction. The Bugs Life area is a nice way to bring in a mandatory children's area, but the rides are subpar for Disney. Why no big family E-Ticket ride? Route 66 area doesn't really have that much going for it. And finally, Paradise Pier. I like the boardwalk theme, and enjoy it, but this is a BIG pitfall. The nonexistant berm of the park is MOST notable in this area and on these attractions. And although you can say it fits the theme well, the boardwalk theme looks cheap. Some of the concept art I have seen for this area was really cool looking and I am bummed they didn't pick something like that.
5) Better diversity of food: Sure, this is bordering to almost complete opinion, and Disneyland has a little of a size advantage, but the food here is both high in quality and in diversity, including how it is served.

I guess you don't need to look at them as PROBLEMS, but these are just the things that prevent me from considering DCA on par with Disneyland or any of the WDW Resort parks. I feel all of these are the results of poor planning and a concept that wasn't thought out entirely, or one that was, but poorly executed. I guess I just don't really like the direction the park is going right now. Sure, Monster's will probably end up being a good dark ride addition, but from what I've read about the proposed name and theme, it is a far cry from where it is. I'm sort of just rambling now, so I'll go ahead and stop. Like I said, if you want to continue discussing this in a bit deeper way, PM me.

[RCTTalk]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
True, with Philharmagic, but I was saying that because DCA seems to be TEEMING with clones. Heck, the Hollywood Backlot section is the worst offender. Then you have ITTBAB. Disneyland doesn't have as much of a cloning problem. Unless I am mistaken, you could count the things that have been cloned INTO Disneyland on more than likely a single hand. Not to mention, I am suggesting they use whatever space is available, and if Toon Town needed a new ride or could fit it, Philharmagic would be a FANTASTIC fit. Then again, for the money, I would want them to do one of my other suggestions real estate-wise, which is why Philharmagic is mentioned last. I mean, it'd be cool for Disneyland to stay away from clones because they have just recently gotten a considerably inferior Pooh and a superior version of WDW's Buzz. Heck, with the rumored tests they've been doing with the subs, I don't care what the theme is or where it came from, PUT SOMETHING BACK IN THAT POND or use the space for something else.

Yeah, a Nemo theme clashes with the Tomorrowland idea a bit.

Cloned attractions as a whole aren't bad, but when you use attractions that don't leave too much to stray from (film type rides/simulators like Muppetvision, Turtle Talk, ITTBAB, Who Wants to be a Millionaire-Play It!) Tower managed to escape this problem because of both drastic visual and ride changes. The worst possible thing that can happen is when you take a great attraction and it is cloned and the clone fails to live up to where it came from.

I have my reasons for preferring Disneyland over DCA. To help see my point, if I could have either of the parks for the entire day, I would take Disneyland. These are my reasons:
1) More to do: Of course, it's 45 years older like you said.
2) Escapist: DCA can't compete. There's no berm to the park and it hurts the overall feel and theme because that particular part of Anaheim isn't too striking
3) Quality Attractions: I'm talking rides that you couldn't just find at your basic carnival, like most of Paradise Pier.
4) Better Themed Areas: This is where DCA encounters a bit of a problem. I'll break it down. Hollywood Pictures Backlot is adequately themed, an example of what the park is doing right. Condor Flats isn't too pleasing. It blends far too soon into the Grizzly Peak area and Soarin's building is dull. Yes, it's hard to disguise something that takes up the space it does, but facades are Disney's specialty and with a bit more money, they could have pulled off something a little better. (I realize the back of the building could not be helped). The Grizzly River Area is nice, but it isn't isolated enough from the other areas. The Wharf is yet again a nice area, but not much in terms of any sort of meaningful attraction. The Bugs Life area is a nice way to bring in a mandatory children's area, but the rides are subpar for Disney. Why no big family E-Ticket ride? Route 66 area doesn't really have that much going for it. And finally, Paradise Pier. I like the boardwalk theme, and enjoy it, but this is a BIG pitfall. The nonexistant berm of the park is MOST notable in this area and on these attractions. And although you can say it fits the theme well, the boardwalk theme looks cheap. Some of the concept art I have seen for this area was really cool looking and I am bummed they didn't pick something like that.
5) Better diversity of food: Sure, this is bordering to almost complete opinion, and Disneyland has a little of a size advantage, but the food here is both high in quality and in diversity, including how it is served.

I guess you don't need to look at them as PROBLEMS, but these are just the things that prevent me from considering DCA on par with Disneyland or any of the WDW Resort parks. I feel all of these are the results of poor planning and a concept that wasn't thought out entirely, or one that was, but poorly executed. I guess I just don't really like the direction the park is going right now. Sure, Monster's will probably end up being a good dark ride addition, but from what I've read about the proposed name and theme, it is a far cry from where it is. I'm sort of just rambling now, so I'll go ahead and stop. Like I said, if you want to continue discussing this in a bit deeper way, PM me.

Disneyland has been receiving clones for a while. Space Mountain, Buzz, Pooh etc.

The thing is, DCA was never meant to be a continuation of Disneyland. It's a totally different park with totally different themes. It celebrates California, Disneyland celebrates Disney. I can't compare the two but I can say I love them both equally.

I actually love Pacific Wharf, they had great soup in a bread bowl. :)

Many people have complained that Walt Disney Studios in Paris is awful. That place only has 2 actual attractions :down: Plus Hong Kong Disneyland looks awfully bare, with less attractions than DCA. HKDL, built carnival rides in Fantasyland, Dumbo, Tea Party etc. Judging from HKDL's pictures, I would rate it much lower than DCA anyday. :D

[Squid2]

From what I've heard, Lucas has told Disney that he wants Star Tours 2, and he wants it NOW. Basically, he feels that it desperately needs to be updated, with new equiptment, special effects, etc.

Squid2

[HeartlineTwist]

Originally posted by RCTTalk
Disneyland has been receiving clones for a while. Space Mountain, Buzz, Pooh etc.

The thing is, DCA was never meant to be a continuation of Disneyland. It's a totally different park with totally different themes. It celebrates California, Disneyland celebrates Disney. I can't compare the two but I can say I love them both equally.

I actually love Pacific Wharf, they had great soup in a bread bowl. :)

Many people have complained that Walt Disney Studios in Paris is awful. That place only has 2 actual attractions :down: Plus Hong Kong Disneyland looks awfully bare, with less attractions than DCA. HKDL, built carnival rides in Fantasyland, Dumbo, Tea Party etc. Judging from HKDL's pictures, I would rate it much lower than DCA anyday. :D

I realize Disneyland has received its fair share of clones. In all fairness, Space was brought over from Magic Kingdom in 1977, two years after it opened in the MK. Buzz and Pooh, however, are basically the last two rides that Disney has added to Disneyland (unless you count Space re-opening with a few upgrades). Buzz seems superior to its WDW predecessor and Pooh just can't compete with the WDW version in my opinion. But like I said, the clones in DCA hurt because outside of scant differences in the ride buildings the attractions are basically carbon copies because they are film rides (ITTBAB, Muppetvision, Turtle Talk). Yes, I know this is same with the coasters, but the differences in things like Big Thunder are its surroundings.

I know DCA was never meant to be a continuation of Disneyland or even to be on level with Disneyland, but it's not like the parks in Florida. The parks in Florida are spread out from the other so your decision is based on which park you feel like. Here, you can stand in the middle of the Esplanade and be right BETWEEN the two parks. For being directly across from Disneyland, I just can't honestly say DCA looks as good.

I dig Pacific Wharf, but the place, right now, is an overglorified food court and needs SOMETHING.

Yes, I agree. I would take DCA over Walt Disney Studios in Paris any day, but that's not quite the discussion we are having. Same thing I would have to say for Hong Kong Disneyland (I hope it gets the conceptualized version of Pirates that I have been seeing). But Disneyland still is the better park. I know from a logical standpoint it's like comparing apples and oranges, but they are both fruits and therefore, can be compared by their basis.

I addressed this whole carnival rides issue already. Yes, things like Dumbo and Mad Tea Party are very carnival like, but that's because that's the best way to approach those two attractions. I feel that DCA has too many attractions that, themed or not, had the potential to be more than just carnival rides. Let's name them, shall we: EVERYTHING IN BUG LAND (excluding ITTBAB of course), Golden Zephyr, Muholland Madness, Jumpin' Jellyfish, Orange Stinger, Sun Wheel, Maliboomer, the Carousel (yeah, cheap shot, I know). I feel they could have provided the boardwalk/pier theme just as well with a quality E-Ticket attraction. I think it would have looked cool if they made the first tunnel of Screamin' look like a surf board, like in the concept art. As for Bug's Land, why couldn't they just put in one big Bug's Life E-Ticket dark ride and made that an area for EVERYONE to visit, not just those that have little children. I'm 16, and I'll go on EVERY ride in Fantasyland before I'd step foot in Bug's Land. (Especially MK's Fantasyland). Then again, you can't compare the two because I don't feel that Fantasyland is exclusively for kids, so let's compare to something like Toontown.

TT has a nice assortment of things for the kids to do and play around with, but they put in a quality Disney attraction like Roger Rabbit's Car-Toon Spin to make it something worth actually going into for people that aren't just taking their kids in there. After all, Walt wanted Disneyland to be a place where families could have fun TOGETHER. Heck, I even acknowledge that the preliminary design of Disneyland called for MANY carnival rides in Fantasyland, but I just feel DCA has too many for as little as it has other things to offer.

To drive matters home a bit, if you ripped every movie attraction (excludes simulators) and standard carnival ride with a little bit of theming out of ALL the Disney parks, DCA would then be one of the most bare. The tribute to California idea was one that had so much potential for Disney to play around with, but the execs dropped the ball and put the Imagineers on reigns. I'm saying the park is flawed because I don't want the future of Disney parks to be based off a formula anywhere close to what DCA was. I'll cut Disney a tad bit of slack in the potential department because it was built on a parking lot WITH a GIGANTIC HOTEL taking up a lot of space, but still.

I feel that they even further have to be compared because a single day ticket without a parkhopper is THE SAME EXACT PRICE. It is not worth it to me at that point. There are two things that warrant extended time in a park for me: atmoshpere and rides. EPCOT isn't big on the rides department, but it has fantastic atmosphere. Animal Kingdom is a little better on rides, but great atmosphere. MGM is one of the most lacking in rides, the atmosphere is decent, but the rides are something I could do all day, and the entertainment and certain sections of the park help drive the atmosphere home. MK and DL are great in both departments. Then there is DCA. I feel, for reasons I have explained, DCA gets pretty hurt in the atmosphere department, but it still holds in there. But when it comes to rides that I would actually go on, even if I repeated just the ones I liked, and watched Aladdin, I don't think I could spend an ENTIRE day in DCA, from open to close, without getting bored. And for the price of admission, the park just across the way is better in my opinion.


@squid 2: I've heard that too, and I would love for that to happen. It just might, now the Eisner is being phased out (bad blood exists between Lucas and Eisner from my knowledge). I'd like to see radical changes made and a new story. But if it turns into podracing, I'd probably shoot myself. A thirty person podracer.....o.O (I believe Star Tours holds more than that)

[k_peek_2000]

Cough*100*Cough, Thanks for posting and posting what you think of the disneyland resort!

[HeartlineTwist]

Meh..I was being conservative. I knew it was bigger than that, but far too lazy to go google for approximate numbers. Anyways, any sort of podrace idea would be laughable, unless they could explain GIGANTIC podrace engines.

Although that was most definitely sarcasm of some degee: YOU'RE WELCOME!

In my humble opinion, I don't think the crowds at Disneyland and other parks would really be any different if it were ONLY Disneyland celebrating. The whole "The whole Disney world Celebrates" just seems like an excuse to add new rides to the other resorts. I think that since those resorts would end up getting said rides anyways, it probably wouldn't change much.

I shudder at the thought/evidence that a new fireworks show and parade ALONE to headline a celebration thus far (Space Mountain should bring some more in) and bring in the people it has. Yes, I realize they've done more, including rehashing Jungle Cruise and giving Tiki Room some TLC as well as beautifying Disneyland as much as possible including a refurb of every Main Street building to my knowledge. But for the most part, it seems that the crowds pre-Space Mountain reopening could largely be attributed to the hype that the parade and fireworks generated. Pity they couldn't headline the celebration with the opening of a grand new E-ticket.

Also, from what I've been reading, I hope the crowds at Disneyland die down a little because it seems like they've entirely screwed up their Foods division and it's hurting the park because of the massive crowds. Until they get more people hired (like a few hundred last I've heard) it isn't going to get better.

Oh....I'm rambling again. My apologies.

[k_peek_2000]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
A thirty person podracer.....o.O (I believe Star Tours holds more than that)

3 Words... 8 Person Delorian.

[HeartlineTwist]

Meh. But a Delorian as per the movie could hold 5 people anyways.

A podracer, from anything we've seen, holds 1 person so the jump from one person to 100 people seems silly. Especially a transport vehicle ending up in a podrace.

[Squid2]

First of all, the podracer idea was scrapped. The original idea was that the ride started out as it normally does, there's a malfunction, you crashdive to Tatooine's surface, and the transport ends up in a podrace accidentally. However, that idea fell through before Episode I. Now I'm not sure what it is, I just know it doesn't involve the concept given above.

Squid2

[k_peek_2000]

Originally posted by HeartlineTwist
Meh. But a Delorian as per the movie could hold 5 people anyways.

A podracer, from anything we've seen, holds 1 person so the jump from one person to 100 people seems silly. Especially a transport vehicle ending up in a podrace.

Delorians only hold 2 people.
Star Tours holds 40.

[Joshua H]

http://www.amusementpics.com/DAK/EEC/DAK%200105%20264.jpg

Doesn't this picture make it look tiny? Those 1/2 grown trees look like they are 1/2 as big as Everest!

[k_peek_2000]

Wait till its built. Somthing called forced prospective. Its just beams and not decorated. They will put mini trees on it later and then it will look alot bigger.

[rctman12]

check out my space mountain recreation

[live_the_thrill]

check out my space mountain recreation

You just broke two rules, well actually three in a way:

1. No resurrection of threads over 30 days old (expect in the exchange)
2. No advertising
3. Off topic post, which you have done at least 10 times.

[Small Print]

It's the july 06 fever.:(

[marnetmar]

rctman12 - You're posting the same post all over the place advertising your coaster. Just make a thread in the Parks or Tracks forum & post some pics of your coaster & leave it at that.

Continuing to post like this will get you WL's.

Closing this old thread.