Do you think that Driver 4 will top gta?

[john cena]

I'm not that sure right now because we do have that much info on driver 4. What about you guys?

[matt__jon]

no

[PsychoMantis]

GTA created its genre, Rockstar knows that it's its star title and makes most of their revenue so they are going to put more of the revenue back into it than any other one of their games. I think it's obvious that there isn't much revenue being put back into the Driver series. I doubt that GTA will ever be topped, it will always be the leader of that genre.

[john cena]

Just because their games have multiple genres doesn't mean that they'll always be the top games. I think once they need to come up with another place and features for a gta game then a game will actually top it once and for all.

[PsychoMantis]

There will always be new features for a GTA game. GTAIII was loaded with them coming just from one console to another. As much stuff as they put in GTAIII they really put themselves into a barrier because they couldn't add much more into the other games because of the limitations of the PS2. I can't wait to see what the PS3 has in store, because GTA is really going to shine on a system with that much potential. I'm sure GTAIII wasn't as exciting for some of you people as it was for me, because GTAIII or GTA: Vice City was the first of the series they played, and they seem totally unaware of the games that were before it. I really don't like the GTA fanboys that don't even know the roots of GTA... I don't know if you are one of those people but it seems like it if you think the GTA series hasn't done much to conquer the genre thus far. Play the first GTA then play San Andreas, and say that again. And try to imagine how revolutionary the first GTA was for its time.

[john cena]

Believe me I've played gta3, gta vice city, and of course san andreas. Personally I think that vice city was alot better than andreas because when they took out the hidden packages(was in vice city and gta3) and instead put horse shoes(into San andreas), which is a stupid idea for getting weapons and vehicles. The hovercraft feature was kind of stupid and so was the jet pack. I even think the secrets in vice city were better, plus they had more vehicles then in san andreas.The music was better in Vice City than in San Andreas. There was more music in vice city than in San Andreas. The fighting moves feature is just stupid because a gangster would never waste time learning martial arts and they left out the wrestling moves as well as boxing. How lame is that? They took alot of stuff from the Sims games like the ability to eat and drink, which weren't really that important for a action game. The lifting ability was stupid as well. And incase they don't know you don't get stronger by lifting, but you get better bone density and it reduces the risk of osteoporosis. If you don't believe me then go here: http://www.sportmart.com/info/index.jsp?categoryId=222945&backTo=710956&infoType=infosport . A way to increase endurance is to practice punching bags. What is the point of that if they don't know any better about these features? They should've did some research on this stuff before even putting it in the grand theft auto series. Want to hear some more about these features? Cuz I could find some more if you don't mind. These extra features are hereby then just a waste of time. So basically the san andreas wasn't much of an increase in gameplay. If they ever try to add these features in another game then they should spend some time on research and maybe then I'll be impressed.The really only thing that was enhanced was the graphics. I think that driver 4's gameplay will do alot better than gta's. It's gameplay is really shaping up for once and the point is that this is something new to the driver series and gta games since gta 3 had that gameplay so basically I'm more interested in seeing what the new developer can do. I'm even sure he'll do better than that Martin Edmondson. I think the online play will be really big if you ask me. Online play will probably be more better to the driver series because they're going to do it before gta. GTA might as well copy driver's online play, but driver will definitly make gta fall apart in that way. I bet you one time that rockstar games is going to screw up their one of their games. It might buy driver series more time to make gameplay while gta is making the graphics, which won't be that good for in about 2-3 years. Even on ps3 the driver series might have the better gameplay and graphics. It will also depend on Stuntman 2 if it's really good then hopefully their driver series will be at it's best.If the driver series can't do it then I guess Stuntman 2 will do it.

[albrozdud3]

They put horseshoes in Las Venturas and, coincidentally, collecting them increases your "luck" at the casinos(in case you didn't know, horse shoes are considered a lucky item). But in Los Santos, you had gnag tags to spray(to fit in with the "gangster" theme) and in San Fierro you had photos to take because San Francisco is a popular tourist destination. And to showcase the swimming abilities, there were oysters to collect underwater. All of those items make more sense, and replace quite well, the hidden packages.

Whoa whoa whoa, Vice City had ~70 vehicles, while San Andreas pushes close to 200. I don't know how you got that VC had more than SA. :weird:

They included martial arts as well as kick boxing so YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE your character. That's the whole point- being able to make the game the way you want, the freedom. It is GTA's major selling point. Would a gangster bother with an Air Force jet, a minigun, or a *****? Who knows. It's up for you to decide how the game plays, which makes it fun.

And you own link says that lifting weights "builds muscle", which, if you didn't realize, means you get stronger. Again, this feature, as with most in the game, aren't required, but are available. I don't see why just including them with everything else is bad. :confused:

As far as gameplay(like, running, shooting, driving) San Andreas greatly improved over previous GTA games, and ever Driver 3. The shooting is so much better now, with the free-target mode, and the cars physics are much improved.

[Athorne]

Originally posted by matt__jon
no

[#1theman]

maybe. If it is going to be ONLINE and open-ended. That would sure top GTA SA.

When i played GTA SA the game was ****ed up. The cars r cartoony.
Personly i don't like any GTA game. Because i like racing games, and car chases like driver.

[matt__jon]

There are thousands of things they could do to GTA to make it better, except no one will, because people like john who think you should limit gameplay only to what the main character would probably do in real life and nothing else. Luckily for us, Rockstar is smarter than that, and they know fun.

You could rattle on for hours on what a gangster would not do. But how do you know? Are you a gangster john? No. You aren't.

Lets see, since CJ will probably never:

parachute
fly a plane
ride in a plane
or a helicopter
swim (sorry if that sounds racist, lol)
drive a half decent car
leave Los Santos
come back to life or be released from prison
drive a semi
drive a hovercraft (I was hoping for a military hovercraft, big)
jump onto roof tops
etc. don't feel like thinking anymore

we should leave all those out of the game for the sake of realism

You say the same thing about Driver, how it should not have certain abilities, and how do you expect Driver to ever be any better than a game thats about fun. Isn't that what games were about in the first place? fun? What happened? Everyones too concerned with realism and believability. Theres too much realism in life, thats why I play games.

And if weightlifting doesn't increase muscle, how do this thick necked muscle people get so big, other than steroids (not all of them use steroids). Sure, maybe lifting increase bone density, but it also tears the muscle apart, and when it reforms, the muscle is stronger and can lift heavier weights more often. And I doubt anyone would want to play as CJ when he's old enough to get osteoporosis.

[john cena]

Originally posted by john cena
Believe me I've played gta3, gta vice city, and of course san andreas. Personally I think that vice city was alot better than andreas because when they took out the hidden packages(was in vice city and gta3) and instead put horse shoes(into San andreas), which is a stupid idea for getting weapons and vehicles. The hovercraft feature was kind of stupid and so was the jet pack. I even think the secrets in vice city were better, plus they had more vehicles then in san andreas.The music was better in Vice City than in San Andreas. There was more music in vice city than in San Andreas. The fighting moves feature is just stupid because a gangster would never waste time learning martial arts and they left out the wrestling moves as well as boxing. How lame is that? They took alot of stuff from the Sims games like the ability to eat and drink, which weren't really that important for a action game. The lifting ability was stupid as well. And incase they don't know you don't get stronger by lifting, but you get better bone density and it reduces the risk of osteoporosis. If you don't believe me then go here: http://www.sportmart.com/info/index.jsp?categoryId=222945&backTo=710956&infoType=infosport . A way to increase endurance is to practice punching bags. What is the point of that if they don't know any better about these features? They should've did some research on this stuff before even putting it in the grand theft auto series. Want to hear some more about these features? Cuz I could find some more if you don't mind. These extra features are hereby then just a waste of time. So basically the san andreas wasn't much of an increase in gameplay. If they ever try to add these features in another game then they should spend some time on research and maybe then I'll be impressed.The really only thing that was enhanced was the graphics. I think that driver 4's gameplay will do alot better than gta's. It's gameplay is really shaping up for once and the point is that this is something new to the driver series and gta games since gta 3 had that gameplay so basically I'm more interested in seeing what the new developer can do. I'm even sure he'll do better than that Martin Edmondson. I think the online play will be really big if you ask me. Online play will probably be more better to the driver series because they're going to do it before gta. GTA might as well copy driver's online play, but driver will definitly make gta fall apart in that way. I bet you one time that rockstar games is going to screw up their one of their games. It might buy driver series more time to make gameplay while gta is making the graphics, which won't be that good for in about 2-3 years. Even on ps3 the driver series might have the better gameplay and graphics. It will also depend on Stuntman 2 if it's really good then hopefully their driver series will be at it's best.If the driver series can't do it then I guess Stuntman 2 will do it.
One time I went to Target and took a look at the san andreas guide and well i found that it had about somewhere 70- 90 vehicles. And in vice city there are 99 or 100 vehicles.
Originally posted by matt__jon
There are thousands of things they could do to GTA to make it better, except no one will, because people like john who think you should limit gameplay only to what the main character would probably do in real life and nothing else. Luckily for us, Rockstar is smarter than that, and they know fun.

You could rattle on for hours on what a gangster would not do. But how do you know? Are you a gangster john? No. You aren't.

Lets see, since CJ will probably never:

parachute
fly a plane
ride in a plane
or a helicopter
swim (sorry if that sounds racist, lol)
drive a half decent car
leave Los Santos
come back to life or be released from prison
drive a semi
drive a hovercraft (I was hoping for a military hovercraft, big)
jump onto roof tops
etc. don't feel like thinking anymore

we should leave all those out of the game for the sake of realism

You say the same thing about Driver, how it should not have certain abilities, and how do you expect Driver to ever be any better than a game thats about fun. Isn't that what games were about in the first place? fun? What happened? Everyones too concerned with realism and believability. Theres too much realism in life, thats why I play games.

And if weightlifting doesn't increase muscle, how do this thick necked muscle people get so big, other than steroids (not all of them use steroids). Sure, maybe lifting increase bone density, but it also tears the muscle apart, and when it reforms, the muscle is stronger and can lift heavier weights more often. And I doubt anyone would want to play as CJ when he's old enough to get osteoporosis.
Did you check out the link matt_jon? Cuz it says that there and I personally think that sportmart wouldn't lie about that. You think you know more than them? Believe me they know more about their products than you man. Maybe gta won't be topped, but i just wish that it would. I'm tired of playing their games. They should be charged with alot of money for making such mature games. Why can't a teen rated game or a everyone game be the best game for once? Tomb Raider games were teen rated and I think that they put way more work into their games than gta.

[matt__jon]

Had you linked to a universities website, I might believe you, but you linked to a stores website (I have not checked it out, but sportmart sounds like a store to me) And I did not say they are not true.

BTW, I have the San Andreas guide, I think you only looked at one page of vehicles, because theres nearly 200 in there over 3 or 4 pages. I don't remember the exact number and don't feel the need to count again to prove a point to you though. But I guess you haven't gotten far in San Andreas, because its clear just driving around that theres plenty more vehicles than Vice City.

You think you know more than them? Believe me they know more about their products than you man.
Excuse me, but you are so sure GTA will be beat (it may be) when you say most of the features are stupid. Each GTA game (this generation) has sold TEN MILLION or so copies (Or will in the near future if they haven't), what about the competitors? I prove my point.

Also, about the end of your last post, the only person who said GTA was the best game was you. Best game is a matter of opinion. You obviously hate GTA, so why do you think its the best game? Because a lot of other people say so? You need to think for yourself instead of believing everything everyone else says.

[albrozdud3]

John Cena, your own link says:

Builds muscles, which will contribute immensely to a healthy and active lifestyle

:confused:

And, well, you're just wrong about the cars. I have the San Andreas guide too, and just the cars are well over 100, plus there are trucks, SUVs, service vehicles, airplanes, helicopters, and boats. Vice City has only about 70 vehicles. :o

[john cena]

I have a vice city guide it and i counted the number of vehicles, which is either 99 or 100. I think it's 99, but then that means San Andreas really didn't do well on creating some more vehicles even though they made some changes to making new vehicles. San Andreas may be a multi genre game, but it only best at action. There's no way that it'll ever be best at every genre. I have a feeling that True Crime New York City will be alot better than gta san andreas and gta 3 liberty stories.

[albrozdud3]

You're right, Vice City does have about 100 vehicles(I was thinking of Driver 3's 70 vehicles), but:

San Andreas= 210 vehicles. Source. (http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/grand_theft_auto_sa_car_db.txt)

And adding, among other things, a
-Military Jet
-Hot Dog Truck
-ATV
-Forklift
-Useable Semi Trucks
-Train
-Stunt Plane
-Jetpack
-Hovercraft
-Go-kart
-Lowriders
-Multiple motorcycles
-Bicycles
-Street sweeper
-monster truck
-hot rods
-jumbo jet
-tow truck
-dune buggy
-multiple sports cars and sedans
-bulldozer
-combine harvester

Most of which can be further customized in mod shops. This makes the biggest, most complete list of useable vehicles in any videogame. If that isn't "creating some more vehicles" I don't know what is.

Why are so many people hell-bent on discrediting the GTA games, and particularly San Andreas? :confused:

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by albrozdud3


Why are so many people hell-bent on discrediting the GTA games, and particularly San Andreas? :confused:


Because it sux0rzz111. ;)


No, seriously, I agree. BTW, Albroz, I fixed my PS2 to the point where I can play San Andreas, and not just Driv3r. :up: :up:

[Athorne]

I really can't stand to read John Cena's slop. It is so annoying trying to read a big chunk of text. John you should really consider using paragraphs...

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by Athorne
I really can't stand to read John Cena's slop. It is so annoying trying to read a big chunk of text. John you should really consider using paragraphs...

Not as if it's worth reading. :D

[hoekandonou]

I can’t believe what’s John Cena is saying. Are you insane John?
First of all, the gameplay in Driver sucks. I just played the game for 10 minutes and now it’s in my trashcan. When GTA:SA came out, I played it a week (8 hours a day) and it never bored me. Now I just play it less frequently, because I finished it.
There are just so many things to do, even if you don’t want to play a mission, you can do a lot of other things. Like play some pool, playing computer games, kill some people,… Even the gameplay in GTA III is better than Driver.
I must say people; I’m a PC-only gamer. I hate stupid consoles like the one from Sony and Microsoft. Playing on that kiddie toys is just not my cup of tea.
So I don’t know how the gameplay on those toys is compared to the PC versions of the games.
Also for GTA there are lots of modifications on the net, didn’t find any for Driver.
As for multiplayer, it’s good to hear that Driver 4 will have a multiplayer feature in it, but as for the GTA series: Rockstar didn’t put a multiplayer feature in there games but there is some code in the game that can made this possible. There’s a multiplayer mod for GTA III and GTA:VC, there is even a multiplayer mod in development for GTA:SA.
The only improvement in the Driver series I saw was their graphics.
There’s only one thing I must agree with John cena, that the music in GTA:SA is not really great. But hey, that’s just personal taste. I’m a techno fan, and I don’t like rap.
There is a chance that Driver 4 will get better than GTA:SA but I’ll doubt that.

[john cena]

Originally posted by hoekandonou
I can’t believe what’s John Cena is saying. Are you insane John?
First of all, the gameplay in Driver sucks. I just played the game for 10 minutes and now it’s in my trashcan. When GTA:SA came out, I played it a week (8 hours a day) and it never bored me. Now I just play it less frequently, because I finished it.
There are just so many things to do, even if you don’t want to play a mission, you can do a lot of other things. Like play some pool, playing computer games, kill some people,… Even the gameplay in GTA III is better than Driver.
I must say people; I’m a PC-only gamer. I hate stupid consoles like the one from Sony and Microsoft. Playing on that kiddie toys is just not my cup of tea.
So I don’t know how the gameplay on those toys is compared to the PC versions of the games.
Also for GTA there are lots of modifications on the net, didn’t find any for Driver.
As for multiplayer, it’s good to hear that Driver 4 will have a multiplayer feature in it, but as for the GTA series: Rockstar didn’t put a multiplayer feature in there games but there is some code in the game that can made this possible. There’s a multiplayer mod for GTA III and GTA:VC, there is even a multiplayer mod in development for GTA:SA.
The only improvement in the Driver series I saw was their graphics.
There’s only one thing I must agree with John cena, that the music in GTA:SA is not really great. But hey, that’s just personal taste. I’m a techno fan, and I don’t like rap.
There is a chance that Driver 4 will get better than GTA:SA but I’ll doubt that.
Well, you maybe right about that. I mean driver games aren't doing so good right now. I'd rather see another kind of game that Reflections could come up with then being stuck with such a series. The series may have won 2 awards for playstation and when I compare driver to gta now I think that driver is really the one's who are getting annoying. We should just leave them and their games unless Stuntman 2 shows it's the best, but nobody even knows if it's coming out. Anyways there's a chance that gta won't go for the ps3 because we still didn't find any info if it's coming to the next gen consoles. How about we leave these damn driver forums once and for all and get on with the other forums. Until I hear the driver 4 gets a 8, 9, or 10 rating will I give a care about their games. I do have another thing to say. We shouldn't care about their games anymore. If you guys think that driver 4 will suck then I have something to tell you. Why would you stay on these forums if you're tired and sick of their games?
Originally posted by albrozdud3
Not as if it's worth reading. :D
If it's not worth reading then why do you think people even bother to read my topics and posts? Hey jacka** if you said that straight in my face then i'd kick your a**. And you sure wouldn't want to mess with me. I maybe 14 years old, but I plan to train and be able to lift 200 pounds on each hand(this summer for 7hrs everday) so you'd better not make me mad. I have no respect for what you do around on these forums homie and i especially don't have respect for that punk elite. He's been stiring up trouble alot of times. And besides no one likes him why should we care about him?

[matt__jon]

Uh oh, we woke the dog now! Watch out guys, I think he's serious! He plans to lift weights to get stronger. But I thought you don't get stronger from lifting weights, I thought your bone density increased? What are you gonna do, fight us with your ability to withstand osteoporosis? We'll all sit in a room for 80 years and die.

[#1theman]

Originally posted by matt__jon
What are you gonna do, fight us with your ability to withstand osteoporosis? We'll all sit in a room for 80 years and die.

HA HA HA HA

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by matt__jon
Uh oh, we woke the dog now! Watch out guys, I think he's serious! He plans to lift weights to get stronger. But I thought you don't get stronger from lifting weights, I thought your bone density increased? What are you gonna do, fight us with your ability to withstand osteoporosis? We'll all sit in a room for 80 years and die.

:haha: :up:

[Awesometroid]

Come on guys, this is lame, this is what little 5 year olds do, are you a bunch of 5 year olds? I don't think so. But anyway, I can't say I like GTA either, why does Rockstar think they just have to fill a game full of crap to make it good? Driver isn't full of it, and I hope it stays that way(they might as well put some blood in it if it's gonna be M rated though).

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by Awesometroid
Come on guys, this is lame, this is what little 5 year olds do, are you a bunch of 5 year olds? I don't think so. But anyway, I can't say I like GTA either, why does Rockstar think they just have to fill a game full of crap to make it good? Driver isn't full of it, and I hope it stays that way(they might as well put some blood in it if it's gonna be M rated though).

They don't. GTA3 was great, and it lacked nearly all the features of even Vice City. The stories and sheer size eclipse any Driver game, and they just expand the content to allow greater freedom and more fun. Driver 3 wasn't nearly as fun as any GTA game, because it lacked the content to make it worth replaying. Maybe they should fix the fundamentals of the game first, at least that would make it on-par with GTA's gameplay.

[PsychoMantis]

Originally posted by john cena
If it's not worth reading then why do you think people even bother to read my topics and posts? Hey jacka** if you said that straight in my face then i'd kick your a**. And you sure wouldn't want to mess with me. I maybe 14 years old, but I plan to train and be able to lift 200 pounds on each hand(this summer for 7hrs everday) so you'd better not make me mad. I have no respect for what you do around on these forums homie and i especially don't have respect for that punk elite. He's been stiring up trouble alot of times. And besides no one likes him why should we care about him?

With an attitude like that, you aren't going to kick anyone's ass. And thinking if someone makes you mad on the internet you are going to somehow be able to do something about it? Good luck getting your fist through that modem of yours, I hope that works out for you. Hopefully you'll just punch through an electrical current and your oh so large muscles will start spasming and you start punching yourself in the groin.

Originally posted by john cena
Believe me I've played gta3, gta vice city, and of course san andreas. <snip>

Exactly as I had thought. This is why you don't think the GTA series has moved much. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ALL OF THE SERIES. As I said before, Rockstar put so much into GTA3 that there wasn't a ton they could do from there because of the limitations of the PS2, but saying they haven't done much for the series so far is really stupid of you to say. I bought the first GTA for the PS1 when it was still $50, and I played the **** out of it. The only game in the series I currently am missing is the London 1969 expansion pack for the original GTA. John, you are what I call a GTA newbie. I don't care if you've been playing since GTA3, you don't know the half of it because you've only played half the series. After GTA and GTA2 rocking my world, when I heard about GTA3 I could have not been more estatic. Seeing the screenshots for it blew my mind. After getting it, I spent at least 10 hours a day for the first week playing it after school. After a while I calmed down a bit, but I don't think I've ever played one game for so long straight as I did that one. There is no way you can appriciate Rockstar's acheivements in that game unless you played the original GTA a looooooong time ago. So its easy to see why you might misunderstand and think Driver is better.

Originally posted by albrozdud3
They don't. GTA3 was great, and it lacked nearly all the features of even Vice City. The stories and sheer size eclipse any Driver game, and they just expand the content to allow greater freedom and more fun. Driver 3 wasn't nearly as fun as any GTA game, because it lacked the content to make it worth replaying. Maybe they should fix the fundamentals of the game first, at least that would make it on-par with GTA's gameplay.

I don't agree with GTA3 lacking almost all the features of Vice City, Vice City didn't add a huge amount to the already great GTA3. A few different things here and there but it was in no way revolutionary. I do agree with the other statement. The Driver series has always seemed to focus on the graphical sense of the game more than the gameplay. The original GTA had alot of fun st
upid things you could do in the game which made you just want to keep playing. In Driver, after you beat the missions, what was there to do? Free ride around doing nothing? There is just such a different feel to a GTA game, I guess its the non-linear feel, even though the storyline usually is linear. Driving to each of your missions with the idea that you could just take a break in between and blow some things up without having to exit the game is always a good thing. Driver 1 and Driv3r have alot in common, both pretty graphics for their time, both pretty boring. GTA and GTA: San Andreas have alot in common too, both not that impressive graphics for their time, but so much to do. I don't recommend anyone go and play GTA after playing their younger 3D counterparts, it will be a pretty boring experience since you've already played the super enhanced versions of pretty much the same game. Maybe if you had a time machine and had the ability to forget even playing the other games you might be able to enjoy it. :)

[john cena]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by matt__jon
Uh oh, we woke the dog now! Watch out guys, I think he's serious! He plans to lift weights to get stronger. But I thought you don't get stronger from lifting weights, I thought your bone density increased? What are you gonna do, fight us with your ability to withstand osteoporosis? We'll all sit in a room for 80 years and die. [/QUOTE
You do have a point, but that's not only what i set out to do. I also plan to increase my endurance by using speed bags and of course punching bags. I know that i wouldn't be able to fight albrozdud3 or if i were in his location then i could. You know I haven't been this mad in a while, but just so you everyone knows. If anyone gets in the ring with me I'll damage your brain. I've got a new ddt (made up by me), which i think that no one would be able to counter or sustain. I know some submission moves too and there really good moves. I made up about 3 or 4. Anyways even though I may not be able to fight you, I could still disturb you after you talk about me. And like I said, if none of you are pleased with driver 4 then why don't you just leave. Tell what's your point hanging around here if you could just stay at gtaforums.com or somewhere else huh?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PsychoMantis
With an attitude like that, you aren't going to kick anyone's ass. And thinking if someone makes you mad on the internet you are going to somehow be able to do something about it? Good luck getting your fist through that modem of yours, I hope that works out for you. Hopefully you'll just punch through an electrical current and your oh so large muscles will start spasming and you start punching yourself in the groin.



Exactly as I had thought. This is why you don't think the GTA series has moved much. BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED ALL OF THE SERIES. As I said before, Rockstar put so much into GTA3 that there wasn't a ton they could do from there because of the limitations of the PS2, but saying they haven't done much for the series so far is really stupid of you to say. I bought the first GTA for the PS1 when it was still $50, and I played the sh[b]it out of it. The only game in the series I currently am missing is the London 1969 expansion pack for the original GTA. John, you are what I call a GTA newbie. I don't care if you've been playing since GTA3, you don't know the half of it because you've only played half the series. After GTA and GTA2 rocking my world, when I heard about GTA3 I could have not been more estatic. Seeing the screenshots for it blew my mind. After getting it, I spent at least 10 hours a day for the first week playing it after school. After a while I calmed down a bit, but I don't think I've ever played one game for so long straight as I did that one. There is no way you can appriciate Rockstar's acheivements in that game unless you played the original GTA a looooooong time ago. So its easy to see why you might misunderstand and think Driver is better.


I told you already I've played gta 3 , gta vice city , and gta san andreas. If you want to know some details about me playing the game then i'll tell you some. In gta3 i got to the last mission in the game (i forgot the name of the mission). It was where you go to the Cartel's mission then Fido gives his girlfriend the money and she orders the men to kill you. Then there's men on the rooftops with M-16s(I think) and men on the ground had the same weapons as the guys on the roof. You find some armor in the garage then there's also a pistol or was it a uzi there.
You kill all the guys and you get in the Cartel Cruiser and chase your girlfriend all the way to the helipad. There's alot of men there armed with M-16s(mostly i think). When you kill them all and the helicopter will be dropping bombs at you that you must dodge and when you get upto the helipad there's a couple guys two or three or maybe one(i forgot). Then at last grab the rocket launcher and shoot the helicopter with it and you've finished the mission. Also I think maria gets killed by Fido with his shotgun during credits. In vice city i beat the last mission with Sonny Forelli and his mafia u have to kill as well as Lance Vance. There was this one time where i drove the infernus inside the mansion and it squashed sonny and some of his men. It was cool. I beat about 80 percent of vice city and in San Andreas I'm really not that far. The missions have too much glitches that it seems less fun to play. I am after the one mission where u go to this one place to practice rolling and shooting at some targets. And I don't have the ps gta games. I do know that Driver series was better than the gta series on the playstation because they won awards for game of the year, which back then gta wasn't. I also add that driver 4 will bring back things from the series itself that the fans loved about the series. If driver and driver 2 both got awards for game of the year then I guess if they bring all that back the game will then be better than gta, especially if they grab the graphics and physics from driv3r then increase them and that would probably equal a game of the year game. A "masterpiece" just what they called gta 3.

[albrozdud3]

You totally missed his point. He never said you didn't play GTA3 or Vice City. He said(correctly) that you never played GTA 1 and 2, and therefore haven't realised how big a jump the series has made between the early PS1 games and the current-gen games. It went from a fairly primitive top-down game to being the largest free-roam game on any system.

As for Driver, it started out being one of the(if not the first, I can't remember) 3-d free-roam games, added a little new content in Driver 2(my favorite of the series, although critics blasted it) and then Driver 3, which added some new aspects to the game but failed at most of them. Hopefully Driver 4 will bring back the success of the early Drivers, but in doing so I doubt it will be "better" than GTA, for the pure fact you really couldn't compare the games. Driver-Driver 2 were built much differently than GTA, so it's like comparing raspberries and strawberries. They're somewhat similar, but too different for a good comparison.

[hoekandonou]

Hey John,

The good guys of rockstar have GTA1 & 2 to download for free on their site.

Download them, play them, and then we'll talk.

Rockstar Classics Free Download Series (http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/)

And excuse me, do I have to be scared of a 14 year old boy. Come on, grow up, and come back when you have hair on your balls.

When I was 14 I didn't threaten people to kick their ass.
The computergames from those age where a lot more fun than they are now, and they didn't make people so agressive.
Yeah people, I talk about the C64 days, man those game where fun.

[john cena]

First of all hoekandonou, john cena is my username not my name. My real name is Kamil, but i'd rather be called Matt my middle name. And second of all the last time I tried downloading the gta games on my computer it didn't work. So it perhaps may not work again. And if you just want me to relive the old games, which isn't that of a good idea because i've already seen and played the ps2 ones so what's it going to do for me? I even heard that gta, gta 2, and gta london 1969 got a 6 in psm magazine. So what do you got to say that they were good. I'd rather borrow them then own them, but thanks anyways. I've tried to download them last time on my compaq computer and i needed a zip file to open it and now i also have a dell computer so i guess it will work. I'll give it a try. Just so you know. I've played driver on gameboy color and it had the similar gameplay, except for the violence and it was top down just like the playstation gta games so I'd give those games at least the same rating as driver for gameboy color, which wasn't as good as the one for playstation and pc.

[albrozdud3]

The point is, the GTA games have evolved dramatically since they began, and Driver hasn't.

[john cena]

Well i heard that Prince of Persia :Warrior Within won an award this year in psm magazine issue 94 for most improved sequel. I guess that means it's improved way more over gta's games. I could also tell you that Perfect Dark Zero will probably be the best damn gamer ever because one, it's coming out for xbox 360, which means it'll have alot better graphics, two it will have online(something gta still doesn't have) and three, the levels I can assure you will be better and bigger than GTA's. Plus, how do you guys know that there's going to be another gta for the ps3? Grand Theft Auto Liberty Stories didn't even come out yet so how could you know for sure that there will be a gta game for ps3? I have another point. If Perfect Dark was the best game for n64 then it must mean it will beat gta's games. Even True Crime Streets of LA was a gta killer so I know that if it comes to the ps3 there will be a slight chance it being the best game because most games and sequels will already have those things(probably). Killzone 2 might even sell more than the gta games. I'll even give you a link to Perfect Dark Zero. Here it is : http://perfectdarkzero.com/features/features_glance.htm . That's it's features.

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by john cena
Well i heard that Prince of Persia :Warrior Within won an award this year in psm magazine issue 94 for most improved sequel. I guess that means it's improved way more over gta's games. I could also tell you that Perfect Dark Zero will probably be the best damn gamer ever because one, it's coming out for xbox 360, which means it'll have alot better graphics, two it will have online(something gta still doesn't have) and three, the levels I can assure you will be better and bigger than GTA's. Plus, how do you guys know that there's going to be another gta for the ps3? Grand Theft Auto Liberty Stories didn't even come out yet so how could you know for sure that there will be a gta game for ps3? I have another point. If Perfect Dark was the best game for n64 then it must mean it will beat gta's games. Even True Crime Streets of LA was a gta killer so I know that if it comes to the ps3 there will be a slight chance it being the best game because most games and sequels will already have those things(probably). Killzone 2 might even sell more than the gta games.

Again, you're dragging all kinds of different game genres in. Perfect Dark is *gasp* a shooter, as is Killzone. Prince of Persia is a platformer game. You just can't compare them to GTA.

True Crime came nowhere near being a GTA "killer". It is probably the closest game to GTA, but nowhere matched GTA's success, critically or commercially.

And it's a rather logical assumption that R* will continue the GTA series if they care for $$$ at all.

[john cena]

I read it in the #100 issue of psm magazine that True Crime was onofficialy labeled a gta killer and it was. It says that it featured hugely more impressive visuals, a deeper combat system, voice talents that included the likes of
Christopher Walken and Gary Oldman as well as a stunning recreation of los angeles intricate street system. And True Crime Streets of LA sold over 5million copies. I think that with True Crime New York City. It will top gta. Just take a look at it here and you'll tell me that's awesome: http://www.truecrime.com/index2.html . Click on screenshots to view the screens and you'll have to sign up to find the info on the game. Plus check out the features of Perfect Dark Zero : http://perfectdarkzero.com/features/features_glance.htm . I also heard that David Jones, creator of gta games will be working on eclusive games for xbox 360, but it doesn't say that another gta game will be made. He will make a game called APB, which will be a free style MMO game based on the real world. I didn't hear it getting awards at e3, but I like this idea. I hope that they finish the gta games and make APB games. It looks like a couple police in this one screen. Could it be that this game be based on the good guys? Check out the link: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8552/GTA-Creator-to-Make-Exclusive-Games-for-Xbox-360/

[albrozdud3]

Like I said, True Crime is the closest thing to a "GTA Killer" but even it didn't reach as much acclaim by reviewers and by consumers. And no, it didn't sell 5 millions copies. List of best selling videogames. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_video_games)

Again, why are you and so many other people intent on discrediting GTA?

[matt__jon]

I guess if PSM says it it must be true. After all, PSM sets the standard for all other videogame publications around the world. Their opinion is everyones, and if it isn't, everyone must conform to their beliefs.

And just because we don't think D4 will beat GTA doesn't mean we don't think it will be good. Although I'm sure a lot of people don't think it'll be good anyway, GTA is, I'm gonna make up a word here, scrumtrulescent, i.e. very good, better than lots of games, but that doesn't mean games that aren't as good are total crap. I even liked Driver 3 (sorry, Driv3r) at points where I wasn't bored to death.

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by matt__jon
I guess if PSM says it it must be true. After all, PSM sets the standard for all other videogame publications around the world. Their opinion is everyones, and if it isn't, everyone must conform to their beliefs.

And just because we don't think D4 will beat GTA doesn't mean we don't think it will be good. Although I'm sure a lot of people don't think it'll be good anyway, GTA is, I'm gonna make up a word here, scrumtrulescent, i.e. very good, better than lots of games, but that doesn't mean games that aren't as good are total crap. I even liked Driver 3 (sorry, Driv3r) at points where I wasn't bored to death.

:up: Good word.

[PsychoMantis]

I thought it was funny that he compared the Driver for the GameBoy to the earlier GTA games because of its top down style few. Top down view wasn't what made the original GTA fun, it was the free roaming experience that no other game had. It had about as much cussing in it as the later GTA games (excluding San Andreas, the word "****" is new to the series), and some pretty funny commentary, and missions your mother would never approve of. Nothing like Driver in any way, but of course, you wouldn't want it to be. And John, how would you disturb someone that talked about you? Also, learn how to format your messages.

Originally posted by matt__jon
And just because we don't think D4 will beat GTA doesn't mean we don't think it will be good. Although I'm sure a lot of people don't think it'll be good anyway, GTA is, I'm gonna make up a word here, scrumtrulescent, i.e. very good, better than lots of games, but that doesn't mean games that aren't as good are total crap. I even liked Driver 3 (sorry, Driv3r) at points where I wasn't bored to death.

Agreed. I think the Driver series should try to focus on something else instead of trying to be more like GTA. GTA is going to rule its genre and no other game should even try to mess with that. I'm sure the Driver series can figure out its own place but it would take some thinking to figure out where it was. The Driver series was never really in a good place to begin with, nonetheless I played the games anyway and enjoyed them for the most part. But the next GTA game will always bring me more joy. I will be very happy when a Battlefield style gameplay is added to GTA for PC. Then I'll be a happy boy forever.

[matt__jon]

Driver should keep the gameplay its already done (shooting etc) but focus more on the car parts (but also make the on foot good).

They could make side games, like a stuntman side game where you work for commercials, movies, etc. And plenty of movies are filmed in New York, so why not do movie chases and other stunts on the side? There should also be arenas for destruction derbies, etc, any kind of motorsports, motocross, monster trucks, drag races, nascar, indy. Street racing too, with car upgrades, only more than the five upgrades San Andreas had, more engine tuning also, like GT4 and NFS Most Wanted put together pretty much.

[The-Necromancer]

Wow JC really went beserk. Meh, users saying to other users that I'm going to kick their ass is stupid, since you're never going to meet them in person. Hey let me say this, arrogance can lead to ignorance. And is very true.

[xtsubarublazin]

True Crime sucks :confused:

Have any of you played that game? I don't see a way in the world it can be considered close to GTA. Everything is so backwards and repetitive on that game. If I don't sell it I'm blowing it up on the 4th :up:

[The-Necromancer]

Lol, that would be cool to see. I would do the same to any game of mine, but I like them all.

[albrozdud3]

Then on the 5th the new Halo maps come out... maybe they'll pump some juice into that game :up:

[The-Necromancer]

Since it's past midnight over here, today I am going to my friends house with some other friends to play some 6 player co-op on Halo 2 and some 3 player co-op on Doom 3 with a system link. And then inviting some people over for a party at night at Kenny's house. It is going to be sweet:D :cool: .

[xtsubarublazin]

Forget videogames, I'm going to do stuff that really matters...

After getting back from D.C. on the 16th I'm getting my driving permit (I've been driving illegally as it is but this should end that ;))

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by xtsubarublazin
Forget videogames, I'm going to do stuff that really matters...

After getting back from D.C. on the 16th I'm getting my driving permit (I've been driving illegally as it is but this should end that ;))

Still no job though, eh? I'm looking too. :alien:

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
Still no job though, eh? I'm looking too. :alien:


Odd jobs. I assembled furniture for a woman earlier in the summer for $70, I cleaned some people's house for $80 yesterday and I'm working at my mom's place on the 6th (one day before I leave) for another $50.

[The-Necromancer]

Yeah some of my friends drive illegally, not really anymore because they're all 15 years or older. And I'm still 14 dammit:sour: July 17th my B-day.

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
Yeah some of my friends drive illegally, not really anymore because they're all 15 years or older. And I'm still 14 dammit:sour: July 17th my B-day.


Well no matter your age, you have to have some proof that you're able to drive and know the rules of the streets, etc, hence the reason for the driving permit.

I'm 15 and a half and could have gotten my permit quite some time ago, but we didn't have the money.

[The-Necromancer]

I'm getting a job after I turn 15.... As a grocery bagger, hey what else job am I suppose to get. I want to get a bass and the amplifier that my cousin's friend is selling. Including a guitar later on.

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
As a grocery bagger

Yeah, good luck with that... That's the only reason I don't have a job as it is. Colorado law prohibits minors from working at all in most places, and a handful of franchises will hire 15-year-olds, but one can only work like 10 hours a week :confused:

The minute I turn 16 all kinds of stuff will open up for me. I've gotten countless offers for jobs but it's my age that's keeping me back.

[The-Necromancer]

That's one reason why I hate having a late birthday. BTW this is the guitar I would want to get later on in my career :cool: :D .
http://www.freedomguitar.com/images/bcrichmockingbird1982.jpg

[PsychoMantis]

BC Rich Mockingbird? Ehh... I'm not a huge fan of BC Rich, they don't sound that good unless you spend a shitload on a really good model, and they still don't sound as good as some of the other brands you could get for the same price.

Right now I have an Ibanez GSA20, pretty good starter guitar for like $200. Only problem is the floating bridge you get with it, makes tuning it a *****. I got it because I wanted a whammy bar and I was a noob and I didn't know the difference between different bridges. Now I've learned and I know better. By the way, a floating bridge is a bridge that can be pulled up and down by a whammy bar, but its not secured by anything but the tension from the strings and 3 big springs under the guitar, therefore when you start tuning one string it moves the bridge and detunes all the other strings. Cheap Stratocasters come with a bridge that can be whammied in one direction and won't detune your strings when you tune one of them. But that BC Rich has a bridge that can be whammied both ways, but it has a locking system that keeps the other strings in tune for you. If you are looking to get a guitar with a whammy bar that you can whammy both directions, make sure to get a locking system.

[matt__jon]

I've been picking up guitar for the past few months on my brothers guitar. I'm kinda good. I guess I could be better if I read sheet music, but I don't feel like it, and instead play songs from memory, which usually ends up being a very simplified version of that song.

I'm trying to get a job too. My friend works in a hotel and says they're always hiring, so maybe I'll try there next. Need to make some money. I wish I could get a job at Lego.

[The-Necromancer]

I really want to learn how to play the handslap bass, but my friend Joe said that it would take a long time to play it correctly and that I should just start out learning the finger pick bass. My cousins friend is selling a 4 stringed Cort bass. He said that the Cort brand is one of the better brands of instruments, because they're affordable/inexpensive, durable, sound, etc. And is selling his bass and amplifier for only $400, that's good deal:up:. I'm going to work up to that.

[PsychoMantis]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
I really want to learn how to play the handslap bass, but my friend Joe said that it would take a long time to play it correctly and that I should just start out learning the finger pick bass. My cousins friend is selling a 4 stringed Cort bass. He said that the Cort brand is one of the better brands of instruments, because they're affordable/inexpensive, durable, sound, etc. And is selling his bass and amplifier for only $400, that's good deal:up:. I'm going to work up to that.

I've never heard of that brand. I would do some research if I was you first to make sure you aren't getting it broken off in your ass. Find out the model of the bass and the model of the amplifier and look it up on the internet and see how much it runs for new. Oh, and bass is in no way more fun than guitar. ;) Bass is better for starting out because the songs are much more simplified, but I'm glad I didn't learn bass over guitar. A lot more variety in the guitar section.

I recorded this just for you Necromancer, now tell me, could this be played on bass? ;) I expect you to know exactly what this song is. :D

http://planetwolfenstein.com/warm/wootar.mp3

[JAV_Swedish]

Cort Curbow 4 GM Bass Guitar (http://www.imuso.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?StockCode=EG00585)
Cort Action Bass (http://www.harmony-central.com/Bass/Data4/Cort/Action_Bass-01.html)
Cort Curbow 4 string Bass for sale (http://dallas.backpage.com/musician/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A86242&name=music%20equipment%2Finstruments)
Cort Curbow 4 Electric Bass, 4 String, Bartolini Pick-Up (http://www.guitarplaza.com/cocu4elba4st.html)

A few links to Cort Bass.

[The-Necromancer]

Originally posted by PsychoMantis
I've never heard of that brand. I would do some research if I was you first to make sure you aren't getting it broken off in your ass. Find out the model of the bass and the model of the amplifier and look it up on the internet and see how much it runs for new. Oh, and bass is in no way more fun than guitar. ;) Bass is better for starting out because the songs are much more simplified, but I'm glad I didn't learn bass over guitar. A lot more variety in the guitar section.

I recorded this just for you Necromancer, now tell me, could this be played on bass? ;) I expect you to know exactly what this song is. :D

http://planetwolfenstein.com/warm/wootar.mp3
Oh why that's the theme song from Doom 3. Were you playing that? Meh, I probably can't play that song on bass. The bass is under rated man, everyone wants to play the guitar because they want to get high popularity and get noticed right away in the band that they are in. Anyway, do you now how difficult it is to play the handslap bass. Is there such thing as the handslap guitar? Remember, I said a few times earlier that I am going to get a guitar also. My goal in life is to be a big musician in a rock band.
Oh BTW, how do you record songs and then link them on here? I would want to do the same;) .

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
Oh BTW, how do you record songs and then link them on here? I would want to do the same;) .

Good question. This was on a website I get free song streams and downloads from.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE A FREE WEBSITE WITH NO ADS
30 MEGABYTES OF SPACE FOR FILES ( MP3 ) OR WEB PAGES
PLEASE TRY

http://www.ripway.com/index.asp

However, this site only holds .mp3 files. It is possible to transfer midi files (the type of file generally associated with instruments) to a .mp3 but you're going to have to do a search for a prog to do that.

In the past I have changed my .mids from midi format to .wavs but not .mp3s so good luck.

[PsychoMantis]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
Oh why that's the theme song from Doom 3. Were you playing that? Meh, I probably can't play that song on bass. The bass is under rated man, everyone wants to play the guitar because they want to get high popularity and get noticed right away in the band that they are in. Anyway, do you now how difficult it is to play the handslap bass. Is there such thing as the handslap guitar? Remember, I said a few times earlier that I am going to get a guitar also. My goal in life is to be a big musician in a rock band.
Oh BTW, how do you record songs and then link them on here? I would want to do the same;) .

The thing is, you aren't going to start out playing the handslap bass. There are some people that can play amazing bass guitar, usually black people at GuitarCenter I notice. I saw a guy at GuitarCenter that was black playing some awesome slapbass but he had also been playing for 34 years. And yes, you can handslap on a guitar. All the good bassists I saw at GuitarCenter could also play guitar. I didn't learn to play guitar over bass because I liked the guitar more than bass. There was a time where I wanted to play bass, however, because there were a couple songs I liked alot and I wanted to play them on bass. I didn't start playing guitar so I could be popular in a rock band, trust me, it doesn't happen. No one really cares that you play guitar. I play it because I enjoy playing it. I'm not even in a band. If you do get in a band, however, you will notice that egos usually run wild amongst the guitarists mostly, because alot of people do start playing guitar because of the want of popularity just as you said. I could give less of a **** if I was popular, I know I'm better than most of the misfits in this town. Whether or not I'm popular or not. And XT is right, most of the people in bands (rock bands, primarily) that play bass are the kids who suck and can't play any other instrument.

[The-Necromancer]

Man you really are opinionated. I never did say I'm going to try starting out playing the handslap bass. You should always start out small on play instruments like guitars, basses, and drums. Like my cousin's friend said, start out small on a bass like a four stringer Cort or another affordable good brand. I wouldn't want to play the guitar to try to get popular or get noticed, I would do it because it's fun. Some of my friends play the guitar and they also don't do it because of popularity, just because they love music, and like what you said enjoy it. You would get popular if you were really good at it and/or what band you are in, otherwise no. It would depend on what kind of band you are in, you would have to be in a famous band to get popular. I also know that guitarists are more needed than bassists. But you would need a bassist for a good addition to the beat of a song. Fieldy from KoRn can play a damn good handslap bass also.
Oh BTW could you add a little more to your last sentence of what you were trying to say.

[albrozdud3]

You wanna hear some good bass-playing, you should listen to John Entwistle of The Who. They pioneered the bass solo, and heavily used the bass in their music. :up:

[The-Necromancer]

Hmmm, I love some good bass playing. And a solo, hell yeah:D .

[PsychoMantis]

It's gonna take you a LONG time to get to the point of handslap bass. Either that or its going to take you a long time to get to the point where it sounds good. I just don't like bass as much as guitar because of the such small variety of things you can do with it. You can play such a wide variety of things on the guitar... bass contributes to the low-end of a song where the guitar lacks. All it is is background noise for the most part. Some people do some cool bass solos but, you can solo on guitar too and it sounds a lot neater. Slap bass sounds really neat, and most of the reason that is because most of the bassists don't usually slap very often if at all. Why? Because they suck. The only good ones are the ones that you see soloing and such. I'm glad I started with the guitar, because its much harder to do, but much more rewarding. There have been plenty of times I did something really neat on the guitar and it put a big smile on my face cause it sounded so cool. One more thing, you can put effects on your bass when you play, but most people don't because it doesn't sound right. You don't normally see someone playing with distortion on their bass guitar. lol. I'm not sayign bass sucks, I'd like to have a bass to play myself, I just don't see a reason to strive to be a bassist. If you become a good guitarist, you're automatically a good bassist because bass is just simplified guitar with larger strings. Notes are all the same. I highly recommend your starter instrument to be a cheap acoustic guitar. Its good to start with acoustic because alot of acoustic songs are harder songs, and acoustics are harder to play. If you jump right into electric guitar you'll want to play all the rock stuff and starting off with that is not good. You'll be stuck playing powerchords for the rest of your life.

[The-Necromancer]

I would say it would take you a long time to play the handslap bass good, not a long time to take you to play it correctly. The finger picking bass isn't that great of an addition to the beat of the music. The handslap bass is. Which is why I like KoRn. I think Fieldy is a good bassist, like if you ever heard the song "Got the Life", he plays a good bass there. He is a damn good addition to the band. Right after I turn 15 I am getting a job, then buying an acoustic and electric guitar, and the bass that my cousins friend is selling. Well, I am going to take your advice and start out playing the acoustic ahead of the other two. Oh BTW, the reason I want the bass is because I have a friend that is in a band but there is no bassist, just two guitarists and a drummer. So figuring I could help them out a little bit.

[PsychoMantis]

Originally posted by The-Necromancer
I would say it would take you a long time to play the handslap bass good, not a long time to take you to play it correctly. The finger picking bass isn't that great of an addition to the beat of the music. The handslap bass is. Which is why I like KoRn. I think Fieldy is a good bassist, like if you ever heard the song "Got the Life", he plays a good bass there. He is a damn good addition to the band. Right after I turn 15 I am getting a job, then buying an acoustic and electric guitar, and the bass that my cousins friend is selling. Well, I am going to take your advice and start out playing the acoustic ahead of the other two. Oh BTW, the reason I want the bass is because I have a friend that is in a band but there is no bassist, just two guitarists and a drummer. So figuring I could help them out a little bit.

Thats good. I'd like to play the handslap bass too, but, to be quite honest I don't think I'm good enough. That and I'm too poor to buy a bass guitar and a new amp. Also, I would recommend buying a steel stringed acoustic guitar over a nylon. Nylon strings are much softer and easier on your fingers, you'd think this would be something you'd want but not really. If you play on a steel string acoustic you'll build calluses on your fingers and it will become easier to play the other instruments. Be prepared for some pain in your first weeks of playing, but don't let it get you down. :p The reason I recommend this is because, if you get good on your nylon stringed guitar then move over to electric guitar or bass, you are going to be faced with nickel strings which are wound the same way as steel strings on acoustic guitars, so you are going to be stuck forming these calluses anyway. Might as well get it done at the beginning.

[john cena]

So did u guys change your minds? By the way Parallel Lines looks, it might actually beat GTA San Andreas.

[fastdriver]

theres a high chance it will beat GTASA. BUT, will it beat GTA4(realeasing oct'06)?, that is the question. and i doubt it, because GTA4 releases half a year later and they might copy some things from D:PL from observing for half a year:bulb:

[john cena]

You're right about that fast driver, but Driver 5 may beat gta4.

[matt__jon]

Well I'll probably like D4 more in that it sounds like its gonna have a lot more upgrades. I had a good idea the other day, but I'm not gonna share them anymore because I'm not getting paid to share my ideas. And its not something I ever heard before, although, its not revolutionary, its a damn good idea, I surprised myself. Its not gonna change gameplay dramatically if implemented, but it would make the game a lot less frustrating.

[Canadian dude]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
You wanna hear some good bass-playing, you should listen to John Entwistle of The Who. They pioneered the bass solo, and heavily used the bass in their music. :up:
Or "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" ;) :cool:

[ScArEy_CaT_18]

I Said Yeah it will beat Gta..It will the way it looks now it will kick @$$ and i can't wait till when this game comes out cause im gonna get it the first god damn day it comes out..I PAYED 89 $ For Driv3r And Holly Crap that was the second day it game out for Christ sakes...But i might wait till this game lowers in price i mean if it's 60 $ Holly Crap i'll be first in line!I Just cant wait till this game comes out! THIS WILL BEAT GTA I KNOW IT WILL!;)

[matt__jon]

$89? Please tell me thats in Canadian money or something?

[ScArEy_CaT_18]

Right on.

[albrozdud3]

I still maintain that there is no such thing as "beating" another game. And if you mean "will Driver 4 beat San Andreas in sales?" then no. Driver will never outsell GTA. If you mean, "will Driver 4 beat GTA in revolutionizing gameplay?" then, no also. Driver 4 looks to be implementing some pretty good, standard driving/action gameplay features, but nothing so spectacular that it will forever change the genre(as GTA did).

[matt__jon]

I like GTA and all, but sometimes when playing it, I just get the feeling of extreme cheapness. You're supposed to think you can do anything, and when you realize you can't, it feels like a cheap, unpolished game. Its still fun to play. Actually, I've barely felt that way about GTA3 or San Andreas, although they do get stingy in some areas, Vice City never really appealed much to me.

Its like the toy pictured on the box compared to whats really inside.

[Getaway Man]

I have always like Driver, and in my mind it will blow GTA away. In real life, only time will really tell. It's not that I don't like GTA, it's just that Driver was always something that I really liked. Sure GTA has shootings, and chases, but it's all sorta boring. Cops don't have much of an A.I. but to pop up out of no where. I like car chases, so I will always stick with Driver.

John Cena, Matt? Whatever, chill out will ya? I am not dissing, or against your argument, but GTA has topped Driver since GTA 3, why one asks? Because it is entertaining to some, for some they like shooting or beating innocent civilians, others like the huge explosions, and others like the city they are playing in. I know if Driver is as popular as Halo was, then GTA will be blown away, but I sadly don't think so. I don't think it will, however, ever be as popular as Halo. I just want a new Driver game to play, I don't want some damn statistics that talk about how horrible a game is that I enjoyed. I want to enjoy myself without some fan-boy bugging me about how their game is better than mine. That's all videogames were mean't for, entertainment.

[matt__jon]

In GTA they don't put as much effort into every seperate aspect of the game as they can. In Driver, well, except 3, (sorry to say) they seem to put more effort into the game, it shows from the graphics and physics, damage, cop chases.

The thing that most excites me about D4 is 3 times the traffic of D3 and upgrades. They say theres gonna be a lot of upgrades, hopefully thats true, I hated San Andreas how there were maybe 2 different things per part of car you could choose, sometimes not that much. I also disliked that some cars couldn't be modified in any way. If I want to put a racing bumper on a school bus, I should be allowed to, just to make it look completely rediculous. And a spoiler. Don't forget sidepipes. Oh yes! Also, the roll bars like on the Cobra are needed, and we should be able to make any car into a convertible! Please!??

[albrozdud3]

GTA never dominated in one area of gameplay; rather, it dominated by sheer scope. The size of GTA is what makes it what it is.

[fastdriver]

GTA3 has worse AI(cops) than Dr3 (WOW!) i just hear the sirens, but they dont follow me in GTA3, then after 10 secs i have no stars

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by fastdriver
GTA3 has worse AI(cops) than Dr3 (WOW!) i just hear the sirens, but they dont follow me in GTA3, then after 10 secs i have no stars

GTA3 was also 3 years older than Driver 3. ;)

[john cena]

Well now that we've given so much hope and faith into Driver Parallel Lines, I think that we can agree that it might top gta. Does anyone agree that this may happen?

[brok]

hear that gurgling noise? that's the sound of me getting sucked into a fanboy thread. Ahhhh!

Look, let's be brutally honest here. 3 things driver had over GTA back in the day were great car chases, a great film director, and (a limited, but still very fun) split screen multiplayer. Driver has now lost two of those features- and it was so close to being the first to get the proper multiplayer in a city-sandbox game thing happening, too.

As for GTA, they're always thinking two steps ahead of everyone else, and genuinely thinking up new ways to make their games better. Having no hidden pickups worse than having nothing? horseshoes worse than idols? Rather drive around aimlessly than do anything gta had? what utter crap! Sure I didn't really bother collecting all the hidden packages either but the fact is that the feature is there if I want it.

Speaking of features- for pete's sake, GTA3 has more features than D:PL, and how many years has it been since gta3? sure, the driving physics was pretty bad in vice city, but look how far gta and driver have come since gta3. It speaks for itself, really. I want a good car chase experience, so I'm getting D:PL. If I want to do anything else, I'll go GTA. Honestly anyone thinking this game can rise up (especially after the worldwide scam that was driv3r) and topple liberty city stories or whatever gta comes next is kidding themselves.

Car Physics, and maybe graphics, that's all it's got. And good graphics doesn't maketh the game. GTA's graphics and car handling aren't as good, but they work perfectly fine, which is more than can be said for D:PL's boat/train/aircraft/swimming/multiplayer/incentive to explore features.

'It's a driving game' they say. Yes, and that's all it will ever be.

EDIT:

Ok so I actually read the last coupla pages and it looks like the gta3 point has got across already, so I'll just briefly say that Perfect Dark Zero was a bit too sexed up and style over substance to truly compare to the infinite depth and bliss that was the original Perfect Dark, which I still play all the damn time. Not that I can really blame them, having to make a sequel that caters to the uber hardcore xbox live crowd that get off to the likes of halo. Damn you FPS's that don't put bots in your games! us offline players need them! ARRRRGH!

well there goes all my dignity, so I'll just shuffle out of the fanboy thread now. Knew I shouldn'tve opened this pandora's box of fandom.

[Yackemflaber]

as Ive said in another thread similar to this, i dont want to compare two games that are in completely different categories

[Mr. Tanner]

What? Driver and GTA are related. Both are crime related/action games. Driver's more about driving, while GTA's more about on foot stuff and killing. But they're both crime related.

[john cena]

What? Driver and GTA are related. Both are crime related/action games. Driver's more about driving, while GTA's more about on foot stuff and killing. But they're both crime related.
Yeah. You're definetly right about that.

[Yackemflaber]

Yeah. You're definetly right about that.
wow, you either make really long posts that I dont care to read, and then you make some really short unnecessary posts

anyway, If I must vote I will say that it will be a tie, they both will rock on and live forever (depending on how much saint's row kicks's GTA's ass)

[john cena]

Well it's not like I'm the only doing it. I'm sure that a ton of other people do this too. You don't have to be so rude Yackemflaber. It's best if you keep your mouth shut and keep your comments to yourself.:mad:

[Mr. Tanner]

Yes Yackemflaber, please let's just respect each other, John Cena's my friend. We're all friends, so let's all cooperate OK.

[john cena]

Thank you very much Mr. Tanner. Now that's how everyone should be talking to one another.