Wing Commander fans versus Independnece War box

[Merciful]

http://www.wcnews.com/articles/dcon2002/page4.shtml

I came about the above yesterday.

Quote: Perhaps the highlight of the show for some, destroying these insults to the space sim genre sends a message to all game developers that rip-offs will not be tolerated.

Yeah, whatever... :rolleyes:

[Hot4Darmat]

Wow, that's remarkably infantile. Especially given that the whole WC series was a quasi Star Wars rip-off. But there's no point starting to flame about this kind of stuff.

I wonder how proud those CIC folks feel about the wing commander movie? Oops, did that feel like I was starting to engage in flaming?

[RaCail]

That's depressing. I demand a recount. :(

...I quit.

[Merciful]

Originally posted by RaCail
...I quit. What, because of some losers? Shape up man! :) :up:

[Ranger]

Who wants to have a "destroy a lot of Wing Commander crap CDs and boxes" party?

[Parias]

Originally posted by Merciful
Quote: Perhaps the highlight of the show for some, destroying these insults to the space sim genre sends a message to all game developers that rip-offs will not be tolerated.

Good grief, rarely have I seen rabid fanboyism from those Wing Commander fans run so deep. How the hell is Independence War even relevant to this article?

Edit: VVVV Granted, I just find the stupidity of this article to be depressing.

[Vagamus]

Originally posted by Parias
Good grief, rarely have I seen rabid fanboyism from those Wing Commander fans run so deep. How the hell is Independence War even relevant to this article? Read your briefs, Parias. Flame wars are rarely relevent to anyone but silly ass angsty monkey pumpers.

[hoom]

:bored: We discussed this lameness years ago.

[RaCail]

Originally posted by Merciful
What, because of some losers? Shape up man! :) :up:

Actually, nah. I don't quit. After all these years, I finally beat Trouble with Gunstars. :o

[Hamsterlord]

All I can see in this is that there's one less precious, precious original copy of IW:DE in the world, thanks to a bunch of screaming jackasses.

[SchnozBott]

I nominate the participants of that event as the new scapegoats for the decline of the space sim genre within the gaming industry. They've earned it.

I really seriously didn't imagine there were people out there like that, but I suppose there really are.

[Shadowcat SFC]

W.T.F.?

That's... so far beyond stupid, I have no words to express it.

*blank expression*

[Second Chance]

The way that girl with the chainmail tiara head thing was dressed up spoke volumes about what kind of people were in that hotel room. :haha:

I'm actually surprised they weren't wearing their homemade Wing Commander uniforms like they usually do when they go out on weekends.

I heard they also got into a slapping fight with the Trek conventioners from the other side of the hotel. But it was broken up by the ever-intimidating cloak-robed Jedi club.

:haha:

[hoom]

People, people!

Either I am currently undergoing the most crazy & vivid case of deja vous or we have had this discussion here before.

To wit, I ain't making comments about it again.

[Greb]

I don't get it, how is I-war supposed to be a rip off of Wingcommander? :noob: I've never seen the film, but I've played *i think* Wingcommander 3 and it doesn't seem anything like I-war.

Greb

Edit - hoom, I know what you mean. I once posted about a homeworld TC mod to I-war (never got finished, BTW) only to have dread post a link back to an old thread about it, which I even posted in! :haha:

[SchnozBott]

Originally posted by Greb
I don't get it, how is I-war supposed to be a rip off of Wingcommander? :noob: I've never seen the film, but I've played *i think* Wingcommander 3 and it doesn't seem anything like I-war.


It goes to show how much forethought or discrimination went into their little orgy of destruction. One of the most entertaining things about the I-War games are how refreshingly different they are from space sim franchises that are less realistic.

Incidentally, WC3 was perhaps the last decent game in the series, although it did represent the first step towards that whole 'interactive movie' fad. Since getting into the I-War and Freespace games though, I've not felt even the slightest impetus to revisit those clunky old WC games, even if they could be made to work.

Wing Commander movie? Never happened. ;)

[FireCrack]

Ironicly enough, the only game i dontr see there is BC3000AD

[Stone]

hoom is right. Somebody posted up this link a while back. It must've been a couple of years now though. I had forgotten all about this site.

[Second Chance]

Well I've never had this discussion before. And neither have any of the other members who have joined since "a couple of years now". So I'll make the most of my chance to make fun of them now.

(I will still never understand why it's such a crime to revive an old topic. Maybe it makes older members of forums feel "special", because they can say "Been there, done that. Discussion over. You newbies shouldn't discuss things us elders have already talked about. It bores us. And these forums are here for us, not you." It's one thing if the same topic has 10 concurrent threads and is a common pointless discussion, but otherwise it would be nice for newer members to be a part of the forum too. So there. :p)

[Red_Hex]

Originally posted by Second Chance
I will still never understand why it's such a crime to revive an old topic. Maybe it makes older members of forums feel "special", because they can say "Been there, done that. Discussion over. You newbies shouldn't discuss things us elders have already talked about. It bores us. And these forums are here for us, not you."yep. wtf is the point of hanging around a forum for years if you dont get to lord it over newbies?

im only saying it cos you all know its true. most systems of membership are based upon it anyway.

what im more interested in is, hoom IS a relative newbie. who did he used to be and why is he no longer?

[MichaelShane]

Originally posted by Red Hex
what im more interested in is, hoom IS a relative newbie. who did he used to be and why is he no longer? Funny... I'd wondered that also. Why the name change? :p

[hoom]

arrrse (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=52228)
I thought this was a nicer nick & couldn't work out how to get the name for that account changed so made this new one...
Even that account is a relative newcomer around here but it really doesn't seem like that long ago that this was discussed.

For the record:
My recollection is that I was/still am unable to understand how the hell these fools got it in their mind that Iwar could possibly be described as a Wingcommander ripoff.

Mainly in this thread I have been surprised by the reactions of people who partook of the original thread, posting as if they hadn't seen this travesty before :confused:

[Dreadnaught]

I remember seeing this a while ago and thinking:

A) They really know nothing about I-War

B) They actually found a girl to take part in this? :bulb:

A few years later, I think it's safe to begin speculating on the high and mighty positions they reached in their lives.:downcast:

[Stone]

My apologies to Second Chance and Merciful.

It's not a crime to revive old posts or to bring up topics that were discussed before. It's one of the things that keep this community up and living. Post whatever you'd like if you think that it's interesting and would be of interest to someone in the community. I didn't mean to come off as an elitist oldtimer. All I can think is that it was a little early in the morning here in Alaska when I posted and I was still a little sleepy.

[Merciful]

Hey, hey, hey! No need to apologise. :cool:

BTW, speaking of old timers, didn't we once compare who was the most senior old timer? Stephen won due not only being fan of I-War before it was released, but even before Infogrames became the publisher.


ps. I think if those WC fans had faced the European I-War box, they would have lost. The boxes over here were made of hard and dense kind of cardboard. :noob:

[hoom]

Thats a good point!
They seem to have had some difficulty even with the flimsy stuff of the US version but that UK version was much thicker.

Yeah, about the only thing thats more tragic than seeing those old classics destroyed is the lame things they did to do the destruction.

[Second Chance]

In all seriousness; the most tragic thing of all is that, with all the time and energy spent destroying products guilty of being "not Wing Commander", they haven't contributed to the improvement of the genre in any way.

If only they would have put all that work into learning how to create a new, better space game.

But again, much like mud-slinger politics, it all comes down to rabid supporters and "being the last one standing", rather than rising above the rest through your own virtues. They would rather see all other space games destroyed than face the idea that there might be a game better than theirs (or even merely equal).

How sad to lose copies of any space game. At least they were contributions to the genre. :(

[Nightwatch]

I have to admit I keep the old wing commander sets around for one reason. A few years ago I found a program that could rip out the movies from the CDs. I have it on my list to find a decent AVI compresser and then put them up on a site somewhere. The WC4 set actually has some great space movie battle scenes that are definatly worth preserving.

But smashing up I-war. Come on. I wouldn't even do that with copies of Star Trek Armada or Birth of the Federation.

[Parias]

Originally posted by Nigh****ch
I have to admit I keep the old wing commander sets around for one reason. A few years ago I found a program that could rip out the movies from the CDs. I have it on my list to find a decent AVI compresser...

VirtualDUB ----> Convert the movies to DivX, or XviD or something to that effect.

Or better yet you could just use the "Windows Movie Maker" tool included with Windows XP to convert all of the movies into high-quality streaming format for convenience. :)

Originally posted by Second Chance
How sad to lose copies of any space game. At least they were contributions to the genre. :(

That's a point I don't think anybody could disagree with. Granted, the article's old, but it's also very childish and, quite frankly, depressing. I'll never understand how those rapid WC fans operate. Sure, the franchise was great, but this is a bit much, isn't it?

[WX_Peregrin]

This is my first time seeing this...I was clawing at my monitor saying, "I COULD USE THAT COPY!"

*breaks down and cries at the destruction of beautiful space sim nostalgia, as taps is heard playing in the wind*

In all seriousness though...wth...? :weird:

[Momaw]

Originally posted by Dreadnaught
B) They actually found a girl to take part in this? :bulb:
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It's too bad that her illogical fanaticism renders her unfit for courtship. A girl gamer, and into space/sci-fi gaming? A rare and precious thing under other circumstances. :p

I'm surprised that they didn't know the microwave trick, myself.

[Duffy]

Hmm, it really is deperessing to see such an idiotic behaviour done by such 'grown ups'. Must be a stab in the chest when you've worked on any of those games and seeing how people are ruing a fine made copy in such a childish way. I don't think it's the developers that are destroying space sims, it's people like them.

This Wing Commander issue also brings me back to the day when I bought my first game of I-War. It was around Christmas I believe and I wanted to buy a new game so I headed to the stores with my dad. I found 2 games that caught my interest and I was doubting for nearly an hour which to choose, much to my father's annoyance of course. He had to wait the whole time. The two games were I-War and Wing Commander. I eventually went for I-War and I never regretted it for even a nanosecond of my life. And seeing those pictures only confirm that I'm proud to have bought my copy of I-War. :D

[comet965]

What a buncha immature pudwhackers!! I-War and EOC are so much above the WC series that there is no comparison. I have played both and they are just not in the same catagory.

[TonViper]

I would almost go so far as to say they aren't even in the same genre.

The WC series is an arcade flight-sim in space with a strong focus on the between mission cut-scenes, while I-War and EoC are newtonian based spacesims with a strong emphasis on in-mission storytelling, and in EoC's case a much looser mission base.

The only similarities between them are that they both take place in space and both use jump points to travel between star-systems.

[SchnozBott]

Wow, I wonder what stimulus caused this thread to get resurrected? I guess the remembrance of that event just pops up now and again...

[Harry]

Well, I wasn't here when it was originally posted.
Actually sorry I even checked out that lame a** site. :down:
Only shows whats going on at the shallow end of the gene pool. :rolleyes:

[Nanoprobe]

I was here when this was first posted - I don't mind so much that it's been reposted, it's just that seeing this again reminded me of that sick feeling I had last time.

It's not that they're fans of one game destroying the box of another, it's the sheer lunacy of those fans that amazes me.