Ever see an empire disappear?

[Bolo Mark 33]

I have. Just now, in fact. I am playing a game with 16 AI empires in a large, 2-arm spiral. A couple turns ago I got a message telling me that a rival empire had been eliminated. This is only around turn 50 or so, which is very early in the game for that sort of thing to happen, so I assumed it was a tiny, one-planet empire that broke away from another larger one.

Wrong. It was one of my neighbors to the north. All colonies in his 5 systems simply ceased to exist! No one had invaded and there were no breakaway empires due to unrest (revolts, starvation, etc.). He simply disappeared, with nothing taking his place. A few of his planets still have Eoladi on them, but the numbers are all below 1000 due to starvation--no empire, no food.

I'm trying to figure out how this could happen, but am at a loss. Anyone ever seen anything like this before? I'm getting scared :confused: Maybe I'm next.

Edit: Upon further review, it looks like he indeed starved to death. But he's Eoladi! How does that happen? An entire 5-system empire starving to the point of extinction? I'm playing with BoP's racemod, which still has them as masters of farming.

[Smithy]

hehe, thats funny. Don't think i've ever seen a 'real' empire just up and vanish like that. as for them starving their empire, maybe all the leaders and the emperor were from North Korea?

or is that going too far...

[mpotto]

Originally posted by Smithy
hehe, thats funny. Don't think i've ever seen a 'real' empire just up and vanish like that. as for them starving their empire, maybe all the leaders and the emperor were from North Korea?

or is that going too far...

Maybe you should have given the Eoladi improved weapons tech. It worked for North Korea right?

[Pax Imperium]

The only thing I can think is that the 4 other planets were below 1000 and uncontrolled when a larger meaner korean empire farther north decided to glass the imperial throne and didnt bother invading.

I've seen it happen to rivals ive destroyed early game. Didn't have the ground forces to overrun an empire so I glassed their homeworld and all of the uncontrolled colonies they had ceased to be but became magnates pretty much. After another 50 turns I have 6 ithkul worlds with 3k pop but not part of an outside empire

So, its possible to destroy an empire with out destroying its uncontrolled colonies ;)

[mpotto]

Pretty funny. Reminds me of my experience with the "Diplomans" in which a Cynoid "empire" of two red/red planets of barely over 1,000 population on the other side of the galaxy with whom I was engaged in a perpetual war.

[Laryllan]

That's most likely caused by bankruptcy. Load the game in multiplayer mode and look at their balance.

[MisterPlow]

I have seen an empire disappear when it was down to its last few planets and [presumably] had no food-making capability, as those planets kept losing population. Finally, when the last one dropped from colony to outpost, that was it. Around turn 100 or so, IIRC.

[elizibar]

Originally posted by MisterPlow
I have seen an empire disappear when it was down to its last few planets and [presumably] had no food-making capability, as those planets kept losing population. Finally, when the last one dropped from colony to outpost, that was it. Around turn 100 or so, IIRC.

Hm. I've seen that happen too. And I never could settle on the remaining planets because all their regions managed to stay full. Really annoying that game...

[Pax Imperium]

hehe thats when you use the save game editor

[Bolo Mark 33]

I've seen it happen to rivals ive destroyed early game. Didn't have the ground forces to overrun an empire so I glassed their homeworld and all of the uncontrolled colonies they had ceased to be but became magnates pretty much. After another 50 turns I have 6 ithkul worlds with 3k pop but not part of an outside empire

That sounds possible, but I just remembered that the history graph could be a valuable tool... And it makes me think something much more nefarious may have happened.

Between turns 16 and 17, the Eoladi population dropped from 13 to 4. No one can glass a planet that quickly at this point in the game. There was no ground invasion either, since the Klackons don't own any worlds in former Eoladi space.

Only their homeworld could possibly have had that many people on it by turn 16. No other colonies would be that big. But you can't exchange your own home planet or give it away as a gift, so it MUST have been glassed. But no AI empire in the game would be able to mount an effective fleet that quickly. Well, one could...

I think the NO did it. I've noticed that if you declare war on them they have a tendency to send a fleet to your homeworld and glass it. I guess the Eoladi made a rash decision around turn 10 or so and declared war on the NO. Big mistake. After it was glassed their colonies all starved and they disappeared forever :).

[Caboose]

Speaking of the NO what determines when they start coming and raiding on a large scale? Im on a game @ the mo @ about turn 100 where they are ripping me to shreds (imposs dificulty) cos their tech is way beyond mine. No one is @ war with them that i can see and I dont think ive done anything to piss them off. Its really annoying cos in 10 turns ive gone from 2nd to 9th and they are bombarding all my main planets to rubble. (cant glass in 1 turns and then they move on.)

[mpotto]

Once I saw an empire disappear into a caboose. Very disturbing :( .

[pedxing]

Originally posted by Caboose
Speaking of the NO what determines when they start coming and raiding on a large scale? Im on a game @ the mo @ about turn 100 where they are ripping me to shreds (imposs dificulty) cos their tech is way beyond mine. No one is @ war with them that i can see and I dont think ive done anything to piss them off. Its really annoying cos in 10 turns ive gone from 2nd to 9th and they are bombarding all my main planets to rubble. (cant glass in 1 turns and then they move on.) what is falling all around your head is known as the Great White Smackdown. it is applied on occasion to empires who are doing well.

they will stop after they hit your homeworld.

[JosEPh]

Originally posted by Caboose
Speaking of the NO what determines when they start coming and raiding on a large scale? Im on a game @ the mo @ about turn 100 where they are ripping me to shreds (imposs dificulty) cos their tech is way beyond mine. No one is @ war with them that i can see and I dont think ive done anything to piss them off. Its really annoying cos in 10 turns ive gone from 2nd to 9th and they are bombarding all my main planets to rubble. (cant glass in 1 turns and then they move on.)

Try *Gifting* the NO a planet. Pick a system that is small # wise in Planets and give it to them. This can give you some breathing time if they accept. Sorta worked in Evon 1.2.5.

JosEPh :)

[elizibar]

Originally posted by JosEPh
Try *Gifting* the NO a planet. Pick a system that is small # wise in Planets and give it to them. This can give you some breathing time if they accept. Sorta worked in Evon 1.2.5.

JosEPh :)

I once saw the NO end up with a number of star systems near Orion under their control shorlty after I saw a number of fleets pass through the border system I had with Orion.

Not sure if they got gifted or conquered or defected or what, but the empire that owned them originally did fall apart a few turns later.

[Bolo Mark 33]

I once saw the NO end up with a number of star systems near Orion under their control shorlty after I saw a number of fleets pass through the border system I had with Orion.

I once saw a revolt on one of the NO's home planets. No modding or anything to make it happen--and it was at least 500-600 turns into the game. The new NO empire started colonizing planets in a cul-de-sac that was accessible only from Orion.

The only way it could have happened is if an AI empire attacked Orion, but I couldn't see any signs of that. No bombed-out planets, and they still had plenty of system ships.

The NO are truly a mystery to us all :).

[Da_Blade]

Actually that happens more often, at least I remember a lot of discussion about this "back in the day". Basically they spend too much, causing unrest, causing rebellion. Something or that, can't remember exactly, it's been a few years :p