My Prototype Coaster Idea!

[gigafreak30]

Hello, today I came up with this totaly awsome rollercoaster prototype idea. -The airtime machine/speed machine. I do not know what to call this. The cars would have 10 ft. swept back wings on each side of the car, and a sleek nosefin, similar to the concorde. The wings would try to lift the coaster of the tracks, but scence it is attached to the track, it cannot, so it creates lift, hence reducing friction. The ride would have a similar launch system to Intamin's strattocoasters. The track layout, could be versitile. It could be similar to a TTD style track, A non inverting speed design with loads of airtime, or a speed verson where the airtime and speed are somewhat reduced and there is inversions. Some inversions could be my "Zoomerang" (A cobra roll with a heartline twist in the middle, or some of the more traditional inversions. The brakes would be magnetic, the restraints on some models would be a clamshel with an Otsr and a seatbelt, or Just the clamshell with a seatbelt. the seats would have the pads at the side of the head to prevent head-banging. I think this would be a very smooth ride. Unlikley, but one day, I hope to have the ride made by intamin, or B&M.

[okinawaboy11]

Sounds a little iffy. Sounds to fake.

[gigafreak30]

why does it sound fake? i bet it could reach high speeds.

[okinawaboy11]

You bet, you don't know.

I bet it will never happen ;) .

[gigafreak30]

I know, It was just an idea. Nobody said you are not allowed to have an idea right? Besides. The wings would create lift. this would keep the bottom of the coaster abit above the track. this would make it go faster. the only thing on the track would be the weels, just to hold it onto the track.

[Harpo]

Your general concept is not bad, but the implementation wouldn't work as you envision it. While the top wheels would have reduced contact with the track, the bottom (upstop) wheels would have increased contact, so you'd wind up with the same amount of friction, just in different locations. Additionally, since the wind would be hitting against the wings, that would not be a zero-force event -- the air friction on the wings may easily result in slowing down the trains more than the wheel friction on the tracks.

However, keep using your imagination -- perhaps you'll come up with something similar to a design I have in my mind, which would work, but would be prohibitively expensive with current levels of technology.

When being creative, don't listen to people who merely say "It won't work." Try to get them to say what they think won't work about it. That way, you can find out if you know something they don't which allows you to believe it will work, or you can learn something new from them that allows you to make adjustments to find something that will work. Don't try to challenge them with "Well, why not?" Instead, try saying things like, "What about this design do you think is an issue?" By using "What" questions instead of "Why" questions, you're less likely to get a defensive answer like "Because it's dumb!" or "Because I said so!" Instead, with the "What" questions, you're more likely to get thoughtful answers, and those answers can help lead to new ideas!

Keep up the creative thinking, and don't let anyone ever discourage you! Remember, if creative thinkers all listened to those who said it couldn't happen, there wouldn't be a Disneyland today!

(Meanwhile, I have to admit that I'm paranoid about sharing my ideas -- I had a couple ideas years ago that I mentioned publicly, and saw them in use a few years later, without my gaining one cent from the development! It's entirely possible, and even probable, that the companies came up with the ideas on their own, but, nevertheless, it made me start keeping many of my ideas very close to my chest so no one could swipe them without hiring me!)

[gigafreak30]

well, the total wingspan could be cut down to a total of 10 feet, and perhaps an option would be to have a magnetic track, and the bottom of the ride would be magnetic, and have the wings curved up abit, and the wings facing downwards. at abit of a tilt.

[jonnyrocks]

Well my 'Grand' Idea was a floorless inverted coaster, but many other poeple seem tohave though of that too!! even m,ade a lego model of it!

I also though of a lift/elevator type lifthill, that would enable great heights in minimum space

EDIT:
by the way. what were some of those ideas that were materialized?

combined your posts, please use edit to continue a thought rather than double post, thanx.

[KingdaKa1]

It's OK, but not possible. My prototype idea is a Floorless 540 feet in the air. Sounds off, but my other ideas are launching 4-Ds, A Flying Impulse Coaster, and more

[WoddenWarior]

Originally posted by jonnyrocks
Well my 'Grand' Idea was a floorless inverted coaster

You mean....

http://www.coastergallery.com/2000/Talon2.jpg

Yeah.... that's original!

[Small Print]

/\ LMAO

[WoddenWarior]

I'll bet Harpo invented the iPod! Steve Jobs is a theif!!! :p

[gigafreak30]

I just got a possible idea to reduce drag in the back wheels. In the back, there would be a very powerfull electromagnent. on the track there would be electromagnents that keep the back of the train up. The magnent power amounts would be caluculated by the ride's computer to keep the back and the front of the ride at an even hight. The only downfall to this would be the outrageous power costs, unless the ride had a generator

[okinawaboy11]

Originally posted by jonnyrocks

I also though of a lift/elevator type lifthill, that would enable great heights in minimum space

So Did I! :p

But its already a reality.

[WoddenWarior]

Originally posted by gigafreak30
I just got a possible idea to reduce drag in the back wheels. In the back, there would be a very powerfull electromagnent. on the track there would be electromagnents that keep the back of the train up. The magnent power amounts would be caluculated by the ride's computer to keep the back and the front of the ride at an even hight. The only downfall to this would be the outrageous power costs, unless the ride had a generator


But, the lift would still pull the upstop wheels onto the top of the track. That only works with the bullet trains because there is no lift involved.

Isn't science great?

[raptorrvnge4928]

just got a possible idea to reduce drag in the back wheels. In the back, there would be a very powerfull electromagnent. on the track there would be electromagnents that keep the back of the train up. The magnent power amounts would be caluculated by the ride's computer to keep the back and the front of the ride at an even hight. The only downfall to this would be the outrageous power costs, unless the ride had a generator

Are you speaking about using electromagnets instead of wheels, or as a companion to wheels on a coaster? Either/or I see problems on both.

If a companion to wheels: The electromagnetic would act as an attraction, or a repulsion.. which in this case would be a repulsion. The problem I see is that anytime you change directions that are in a convex manner, such as going over a hill, you have the problem of inertia. If the coaster is trying to leave the track, due to inertia, then you will still get friction from upstop wheels.

If used instead of wheels, then how do you designate whether you are seeking an attraction or repulsion force? You could do the ole opposite polls thing with the magnets, but as far as I know, you cant find a way to limit the attractive force.

but on the bright side, would the problem with current needs, really be a problem? Granted I go to school for civil engineering, but if you have to charged coils, and you move them, and as long as there are a different number of coils on each respective coil, doesnt that create voltage?

[Harpo]

Originally posted by gigafreak30
by the way. what were some of those ideas that were materialized?

2 examples that are easy to explain:

There's one ride that's an exact image of something I drew a few years before it was built. At Cedar Point, it's known as Troika. It has other names at other locations.

Before Vekoma's SLC, I came up with a concept for a suspended looping coaster. While it has many similarities to Vekoma's version, I think mine would be more exciting.

There are other examples that would be more difficult to explain. For example, Grizzly Run at Disney's California Adventure uses some of the concepts I thought up years before CA.

[RCT2head]

Originally posted by gigafreak30
well, the total wingspan could be cut down to a total of 10 feet, and perhaps an option would be to have a magnetic track, and the bottom of the ride would be magnetic, and have the wings curved up abit, and the wings facing downwards. at abit of a tilt.

well with that large of a wingspan, u could actually have it pop out like at the top of the hill after the launch, if it were a similar layout like ttd... make for a slower descent, which is prolly much more scarier than a fast ascent... especially if it goes slow til like a 1/3 way down and then the wings gradually go back in, so the train can pick up speed... like when it'd be in the start of a massive twisted track...
the reason i say it should pop out is because when near a platform, it has an easier chance to break from ppl stepping on it and whatnot, and it'd take up alot of space....

[BGTB2005]

My idea is a MagLev (MAGnetic LEVitation) rollercoaster using permanent magnets.

[gigafreak30]

ooh... nice. my next stupid idea is a launching flying coaster with a 90 degree drop

[BGTB2005]

Originally posted by gigafreak30
ooh... nice. my next stupid idea is a launching flying coaster with a 90 degree drop
Is the drop immediately after the launch or from the top of the hill the train needs to take?

[lewis31lewis52]

Harpo, I remember reading about the Troika design at Tour the Point. Kinda funny if you ask me.

And I think that guy was being sarcastic about the inverted floorless. I hope.

[aoshi]

What about an inverted standup? I bet that would be pretty interesting and I'm sure it's possible.

[BGTB2005]

Originally posted by aoshi
What about an inverted standup? I bet that would be pretty interesting and I'm sure it's possible.

As long as its not floorless.:eek:

[aoshi]

Originally posted by BGTB2005
As long as its not floorless.:eek:
:haha: New meaning to "Hold on tight!"

[Harpo]

I'd actually like to see a new skiing-style roller coaster. Strap on roller skates, grab onto a rope, and get pulled behind the coaster train at 90 miles an hour! OK, so it may be just a tad dangerous, but, as Leslie Nielsen said in the Naked Gun movies (actually, he first said it in the short-lived Police Squad television show), you take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street, or sticking your face in a fan.

[BorisTheFish]

Originally posted by Harpo
Before Vekoma's SLC, I came up with a concept for a suspended looping coaster. While it has many similarities to Vekoma's version, I think mine would be more exciting.
and smoother i hope?

[Harpo]

It would almost have to be smoother! Can't imagine it being much rougher!

[RTCnoob384]

Originally posted by Harpo
It would almost have to be smoother! Can't imagine it being much rougher! i think you have these ratings:

Soft
Smooth
Inbetween
Rough
Really Rough
Death
Vekoma

from softest to roughest... Vekoma wants to kill us all

[Harpo]

Very close, but I think Togo needs to follow Vekoma in the heirarchy. Also, Dismemberment should probably be between Really Rough and Death.

[BGTB2005]

Originally posted by aoshi
:haha: New meaning to "Hold on tight!"

:haha:ROFL:haha: