OFF TOPIC! Wich do you find better?

[Anonymous]

Wich
GTA Game did you like the most? Vice City or San Andreas?
I say Vice City. It has a better stroyline and i like the city a lot more. I also find that Tommy Vercetti Is A better chracter then C.J

[albrozdud3]

Both. The storyline in both games were superb(I think San Andreas had a little better character development, although people find the 'gangsta' image it provokes as shallow) and the scope of San Andreas was incredible. However, Vice City had a certain feel to it that I really liked, and it also showcased some cool features that, for some reason, San Andreas didn't really build on(like buying businesses). So overall, I think they're both spectacular games.

[john cena]

Originally posted by Anonymous
Wich
GTA Game did you like the most? Vice City or San Andreas?
I say Vice City. It has a better stroyline and i like the city a lot more. I also find that Tommy Vercetti Is A better chracter then C.J
I agree. Also there's more songs, hidden packages are in the game, and I kinda liked the vehicles a little better in Vice City(i don't know why).

[mouser1286]

VC... SA was too "Gangsgter".

[matt__jon]

San Andreas all the way, it feels like deeper gameplay, more to do, better physics and graphics, upgrade cars (although not much to do here) two player, bigger play area PLANES! Unfortunately I don't have it for PC as I am craving some SA action right now and am without my PS2 or my copy anyway.

VC just feels really dull to me. I like GTA3 more than VC. But SA is better yet.

[Da Driv3r]

I like both of them cause they are both really fun in my opinon:D

[#1theman]

I said neither.

[TimeLine]

You really want my opinion? Ok, here it goes:

Vice City:
-Horrible city layout
-Graphically unpretty.
-The AI is extremely unintelligent.
-Some roads act like it's either a 1 way street or 2.
-Cars magically catch fire when they tip over and barely give you time to escape.


San Andreas:
-Pointless big city (didnt have trouble, just found a lot of it unnecessary)
-Also graphically unpretty.
-Cars STILL magically catch fire when tipped over.
-AI is still so stupid.

-Horrible storyline: Objective is to break your brother out of jail, but to do that, some unkown gangster goes to work for the government somehow bypassing military personal and is mystically able to fly a military jet. By that time I could've bailed his brother out of prison if it gave me that option. I would assume sneaking around past military gaurds would be harder than trying to catch a currupt cop in firetruck.


So yeah, I voted Neither.

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by TimeLine
You really want my opinion? Ok, here it goes:

Vice City:
-Horrible city layout
-Graphically unpretty.
-The AI is extremely unintelligent.
-Some roads act like it's either a 1 way street or 2.
-Cars magically catch fire when they tip over and barely give you time to escape.


San Andreas:
-Pointless big city (didnt have trouble, just found a lot of it unnecessary)
-Also graphically unpretty.
-Cars STILL magically catch fire when tipped over.
-AI is still so stupid.

-Horrible storyline: Objective is to break your brother out of jail, but to do that, some unkown gangster goes to work for the government somehow bypassing military personal and is mystically able to fly a military jet. By that time I could've bailed his brother out of prison if it gave me that option. I would assume sneaking around past military gaurds would be harder than trying to catch a currupt cop in firetruck.


So yeah, I voted Neither.

Your opinion sucks. :bored:

EDIT: Ok, I'll refute it (I don't have anything better to do :( )

VC had horrible city layout? It's based off of real-life Miami... and wasn't that bad. SA had more realistic design.

Graphics are meh in GTA... but so what? Graphics don't make the game good. Plus, GTA does have some really nice looking parts(water, lighting in SA, weather...)

1 way street or 2? WTF is that supposed to mean? There are one way streets in real life. :confused:

SA was big for a reason(to give you a lot to do)... mostly, because a lot of people wanted a bigger game.

"Magically catch fire"...? Every videogame I've ever played has the vehicles catch fire when upside down... so what? Give you no time to escape... it takes 10-15 seconds to blow up... :bulb:

AI is not particularly good... but not terrible(I've played games with worse).

As for the storyline part, you must not have paid attention very well because if you had, you wouldn't have such feable complaints.

[xtsubarublazin]

The only thing I hate SA is the back-asswards damage. :mad:

EDIT: And it was his opinion, albroz. I'd refute your comments too, but I don't have the time or desire ;)

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by xtsubarublazin
The only thing I hate SA is the back-asswards damage. :mad:

EDIT: And it was his opinion, albroz. I'd refute your comments too, but I don't have the time or desire ;)

I refuted.

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
I refuted.

Them's fighting words. :o

[xtsubarublazin]

Originally posted by albrozdud3


"Magically catch fire"...? Every videogame I've ever played has the vehicles catch fire when upside down... so what? Give you no time to escape... it takes 10-15 seconds to blow up... :bulb:



I would have to disagree with this for two reasons:

1) You've played Driv3r. Driv3r's cars do not blow up when overturned. Thus, not every videogame you've played has this.

2) I can tell you that the following games [in this general genre] did not allow their cars to explode when overturned. Driver, The Getaway, True Crime: Streets of L.A., Stuntman.

There are MANY more driving games that don't have this feature. I figure "good riddance". :up:

[albrozdud3]

True, they don't in D3... although they did in Driver 2.

GTA and Mercenaries have burning flipped vehicles. True dat, that's not very realistic... but hey, at least in adds challenge. :bulb:

[xtsubarublazin]

Refuted and pwnd by the XTMasta. :o

[fastdriver]

ouch!

[TimeLine]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
Your opinion sucks. :bored:

EDIT: Ok, I'll refute it (I don't have anything better to do :( )

VC had horrible city layout? It's based off of real-life Miami... and wasn't that bad. SA had more realistic design.


If you go to the second city, turn right on the main strip. There's a median on the stip full of trees, so each side of the strip acts as going in 1 direction. Once you go right far enough, you'll notice that the two sides split. At that fork, you'll notice cars just turn around and go into the opposite direction acting as if that 1 side is no longer 1 way.

It's very annoying speeding on the road that goes North and then just have some car completely stop in front of you and go in the opposite direction. That's just an example.





Graphics are meh in GTA... but so what? Graphics don't make the game good. Plus, GTA does have some really nice looking parts(water, lighting in SA, weather...)


But poor graphics can make it feel unrealistic and a let down. If you go to gamespot and look at the reviews from Driv3r and San Andreas, you'll notice that they rate the graphics for Driv3r a 6 and San Andreas an 8. Just by looking at the screenshots you'll notice how much better the graphics are on Driv3r, and Driv3r came out sooner as well.

I dont notice things like Lighting, but the water was just plain Meh.





1 way street or 2? WTF is that supposed to mean? There are one way streets in real life. :confused:

Look above.





SA was big for a reason(to give you a lot to do)... mostly, because a lot of people wanted a bigger game.


Yeah, I like taking around a half hour to get from 1 destination to another passing up a small little area with about 4 buildings. It gives it more of an atmosphere, but there's just too much space inbetween them.





"Magically catch fire"...? Every videogame I've ever played has the vehicles catch fire when upside down... so what? Give you no time to escape... it takes 10-15 seconds to blow up... :bulb:


For fire, refer to xtsubarublazin.

It takes around 10 seconds for a car to blow up in GTA III. In Vice City it takes around 5 or 6 seconds, then take into account that you can't exit your vehicle while it's rolling.





AI is not particularly good... but not terrible(I've played games with worse).


I say it is because of how Driv3r gets so much flak about their cop AI not being so good. Now lets compare:

GTA cop AI:
-Only will chase you if you shoot/hit someone or bump into their cop car.
-Will not shoot at anyone else but you.
-Will not go after anyone who shoots at you.
-You have to kill several citizens before they decide to shoot you.
-They often crash into each other during a police chase.


Driv3r cop AI.
-Pulls you over for speeding.
-Pulls you over for running a red light.
-Pulls you over for crashing into someone else.
-pulls you over for running car on sidewalks.
-As soon as you run someone over is when they decide to open fire.
-Shoots at other people other than you.
-Will go to the scene where someone was killed.
-Often will go for the pit maneuver at the right moment.

The best Cop AI was in the game Mafia where they acually went as deep as giving you speeding tickets. And this game came out before these two and also had much better graphics than GTA San Andreas. But they also score that one lower than GTA on the graphic scale.





As for the storyline part, you must not have paid attention very well because if you had, you wouldn't have such feable complaints.


If you play thru the game again, then you'll realize that everything I said about the storyline was true and therefore the story sucked.

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by TimeLine
If you go to the second city, turn right on the main strip. There's a median on the stip full of trees, so each side of the strip acts as going in 1 direction. Once you go right far enough, you'll notice that the two sides split. At that fork, you'll notice cars just turn around and go into the opposite direction acting as if that 1 side is no longer 1 way.

It's very annoying speeding on the road that goes North and then just have some car completely stop in front of you and go in the opposite direction. That's just an example.


Again... a two way street splits and turns into a one way road... not unheard of. :bulb:

But poor graphics can make it feel unrealistic and a let down. If you go to gamespot and look at the reviews from Driv3r and San Andreas, you'll notice that they rate the graphics for Driv3r a 6 and San Andreas an 8. Just by looking at the screenshots you'll notice how much better the graphics are on Driv3r, and Driv3r came out sooner as well.

I dont notice things like Lighting, but the water was just plain Meh.

Driv3r did some areas of graphics well, but failed in others. Driv3r's water looked like crap, the character animations were bad, and the game was filled with graphical glitches.

Yeah, I like taking around a half hour to get from 1 destination to another passing up a small little area with about 4 buildings. It gives it more of an atmosphere, but there's just too much space inbetween them.

It's never taken me a half hour to get from place to place, and if I'm in a hurry, I just 'jack a plane and fly. ;)

It takes around 10 seconds for a car to blow up in GTA III. In Vice City it takes around 5 or 6 seconds, then take into account that you can't exit your vehicle while it's rolling.

Ill concede that burning upsidedown vehicles is a bit of an annoyance- but by no means a debilitating problem.


GTA cop AI:
-Only will chase you if you shoot/hit someone or bump into their cop car.
-Will not shoot at anyone else but you.
-Will not go after anyone who shoots at you.
-You have to kill several citizens before they decide to shoot you.
-They often crash into each other during a police chase.

A lot of your points have nothing to do with the actual AI. The cops in GTA are just programmed not to pay attention to petty crimes, and instead come after you if you're involved in violent crimes. And yes, GTA cops do chase after other people, including those shooting at you.

Driv3r cop AI.
-Pulls you over for speeding.
-Pulls you over for running a red light.
-Pulls you over for crashing into someone else.
-pulls you over for running car on sidewalks.
-As soon as you run someone over is when they decide to open fire.
-Shoots at other people other than you.
-Will go to the scene where someone was killed.
-Often will go for the pit maneuver at the right moment.

Again, this is just how Reflections programmed their AI to work. It isn't like GTA's AI is incapable of doing the things Driv3r's does, R* just didn't want it to. It's a matter of realism, which Driv3r strides for a greater degree of. It's fine if you like more realistic games; but that doesn't mean GTA's AI "sucks".

The best Cop AI was in the game Mafia where they acually went as deep as giving you speeding tickets. And this game came out before these two and also had much better graphics than GTA San Andreas. But they also score that one lower than GTA on the graphic scale.

I have to agree about Mafia, it did have the most realistic cop system. But I have to disagree about its graphics. I played the PS2 version of mafia, and it had much, much worse graphics than any GTA game(maybe you played the PC version...?)

If you play thru the game again, then you'll realize that everything I said about the storyline was tru[quote and therefore the story sucked.

I've played the game twice, and will now take the time to refute your complaints about the storyline:

"Objective is to break your brother out of jail"- only in the last 2/3 of the game, and this is due to an evolving storyline. If you didn't catch it, the corrupt cops are in bed with the rival gang, and CJ can't return to LS, nor can he get his brother out of jail for murder.

"some unkown gangster goes to work for the government somehow bypassing military personal and is mystically able to fly a military jet."- Again, part of an evolving storyline. CJ is befriended by the CIA dude, who employs his services. He is able to fly a military jet because he passed a flying school for the CIA agent.

" By that time I could've bailed his brother out of prison if it gave me that option." - If his brother is in jail for a serious crime, you can't just bail him out (even in real life)

[TimeLine]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
Again... a two way street splits and turns into a one way road... not unheard of. :bulb:


It doesnt work like it does in real life. There is no light to where people can stop and turn, instead they go a certain distance and turn around and go into the opposite direction. Sometimes they'll even run into each other. Here is where it happens:

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5752/rampages9st.jpg



Driv3r did some areas of graphics well, but failed in others. Driv3r's water looked like crap, the character animations were bad, and the game was filled with graphical glitches.



Driv3r was the first you could acually SWIM on. The cars looked much better, the people looked better, the weapons were more realistic and the layout of the city was almost exact to those in real life. Also, I havent exp. any graphical glitches at all on my copy. But from the Driv3r copy I have and the San Andreas version I have, I could say that San Andreas has more glitches (ie. people falling out of the sky).



It's never taken me a half hour to get from place to place, and if I'm in a hurry, I just 'jack a plane and fly. ;)



That's if you're in a city.



I'll concede that burning upsidedown vehicles is a bit of an annoyance- but by no means a debilitating problem.




It's an extreme annoyance when it's on fire and you're going too slow to jump out, but too fast to completely stop in time.




A lot of your points have nothing to do with the actual AI. The cops in GTA are just programmed not to pay attention to petty crimes, and instead come after you if you're involved in violent crimes. And yes, GTA cops do chase after other people, including those shooting at you.



Then the "actual" is very much the same, except that rival gangs attack you in GTA, and normal people shoot you for killing someone or trying to steal their car in Driv3r. Only being involved in extremely violent crimes is unrealistic and it just makes GTA very, very easy. Also, I said that the GTA cops never shoot other people or chase them in their cop cars. In Vice City and San Andreas you'll just be walking by and all of a sudden they'll start randomly chasing people.



but that doesn't mean GTA's AI "sucks".



The GTA cop AI does suck compared to Driv3r cop AI, therefore Atari shouldnt take so much bashing for their game's AI being "horrible".



I have to agree about Mafia, it did have the most realistic cop system. But I have to disagree about its graphics. I played the PS2 version of mafia, and it had much, much worse graphics than any GTA game(maybe you played the PC version...?)



I played the xbox version. Now tell me which seems to have better graphics:

San Andreas (http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4199/grandtheftautosanandreas200411.jpg): Release around a year after.

Mafia (xbox) (http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9184/mafia0116040038ii.jpg)



"Objective is to break your brother out of jail"- only in the last 2/3 of the game, and this is due to an evolving storyline. If you didn't catch it, the corrupt cops are in bed with the rival gang, and CJ can't return to LS, nor can he get his brother out of jail for murder.



A lot of times you can bail people out for serious crimes and im sure I could've with a few million dollars. Or, I could've just as easily bribed with all that money.



"some unkown gangster goes to work for the government somehow bypassing military personal and is mystically able to fly a military jet."- Again, part of an evolving storyline. CJ is befriended by the CIA dude, who employs his services. He is able to fly a military jet because he passed a flying school for the CIA agent.


Yes, a black thug is for whatever reason contacted by a CIA agent...right. And in just a brief period of time, CJ is able to learn how to fly a multitude of planes, helicopters, jets. And like I said, it doesnt make any sense that a person like CJ can go up against muliple military personnel who have probly had years of training, not to mention they're all heavily armed.

[matt__jon]

Post explosion! I thought I'd never scroll to the top of the new posts. And I'm not reading them either. I'm just gonna say GTASA is a damn good game, although it has much variation in gameplay, its all very shallow, which is depressing after playing the game 20 minutes. Not nearly as depressing as Vice City though. GTA3 was better than Vice.

[#1theman]

Originally posted by TimeLine
ALL what you said

You make very good points about the GTA SA not being so good. One mission i played in it it TOOK ME 1/2hr TO GET TO A SPOT THAT TOLD ME TO DRIVE ANTHOER SPOT 1/2hr away ARG.

Yes the AI in Dr3 is pretty bad consiter other cop games. But the cops in SA are terrible. In SA the version i played the cops hit people while they where chasing me and my stars where going up. Thanks god its not like that in driver 3.

Exellent point for a "new member" around the driver fourms.

[Sedans_is_back]

Lets compare:

S.A.

+Wide open city
+You can do missions when you want
+alot of cars
+gang members automaticly shoot you when your on their turf
+You can swim
+You can customize cars
+Enterable buildings
+More freedom
+2 player...
-...that pretty much sucks
-crappy AI
-sucky car damage
-graphics could be better.


V.C
+nice City
+You can do missions when you want
-crappy AI
-sucky car damage
-graphics could be alot better.
-not as much freedom
-can't customize cars
-can't swim

Overall: San Andreas

[Driverfool]

Ok, i gotta end this.

sanandreas is the best games ever.

vice city is a really good game, is a classic that will always hold a special place in my heart.

Gta3 started it all for me , i remember i used to go over to my friends house just to play his gta because my parents wouldnt let me get it.It too is a great game.

They are all great games but they always builded onto one another, they are family so i dont think it is right to tear family apart and say one is best because they are all the best, in their own time. Gta3 was ground breaking in its time. same with vice city and sanandreas. So there for they are all equally the best.

[matt__jon]

The only thing Vice has on the other games is the Scarface mansion, even though its not the exact scarface mansion (no kilos of coke on the table)

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by Driverfool
Ok, i gotta end this.

sanandreas is the best games ever.

vice city is a really good game, is a classic that will always hold a special place in my heart.

Gta3 started it all for me , i remember i used to go over to my friends house just to play his gta because my parents wouldnt let me get it.It too is a great game.

They are all great games but they always builded onto one another, they are family so i dont think it is right to tear family apart and say one is best because they are all the best, in their own time. Gta3 was ground breaking in its time. same with vice city and sanandreas. So there for they are all equally the best.

Well said, that sums it up nicely.

I'd have to say that GTA is the best free-roaming third-person action-adventure series ever, as I don't think you can truly compare games betweens genres.

[Bowarcher]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
free-roaming third-person action-adventure series

Yeah, those types of games are pretty cool. :p

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by Bowarcher
Yeah, those types of games are pretty cool. :p

That's what I was implying: GTA nearly creates a genre itself. ;)

[Getaway Man]

1: This is a Driver forum, we're suppost to talk about Driver, however..
2: I voted both, because I cannot chose over them. Thought I really did enjoyed SA, I also enjoyed VC, even thought one is bigger, had more cars, and has more missions, they are still both my favorite GTA's. SA may be better than VC, but I will always like both.

[Jennyfer8]

Vercetti was so cool! I loved hearing his smart remarks when running from cops. Like `I did your wife` and `I think there must be some mistake`! Also, many of my favorite celebrities were on it and they did great! Ray Liotta (Tommy Vercetti), Lee Majors (Mitch Baker), Gary Busey (Phil), Danny Trejo (Umberto), and Burt Reynolds (Avery). Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a series of games continuing Vercetti's story. (By the way, I also like Ice-T who did the voice in SA)

[Da Driv3r]

Originally posted by xtsubarublazin
Them's fighting words. :o

ha:haha: i love that saying:haha:

[Jennyfer8]

Now, one of my friends (who says violent video games should be illegal) is angry because she likes many of the celebs on GTA-VC. She likes Philip Michael Thomas, Burt Reynolds, and Ray Liotta. I get a laugh watching her fume over those guys doing the game. She's fun to argue with, but she is also sensible. She doesn't try to make me quit playing the GTA stuff or Driver or whatever...

[matt__jon]

its sad your friend can't have any fun

[john cena]

Originally posted by Jennyfer8
Vercetti was so cool! I loved hearing his smart remarks when running from cops. Like `I did your wife` and `I think there must be some mistake`! Also, many of my favorite celebrities were on it and they did great! Ray Liotta (Tommy Vercetti), Lee Majors (Mitch Baker), Gary Busey (Phil), Danny Trejo (Umberto), and Burt Reynolds (Avery). Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a series of games continuing Vercetti's story. (By the way, I also like Ice-T who did the voice in SA)
And don't forget that it's also based on the movie Scarface. While SA isn't based on any such movie, which kinda bores me. I would have to say that the missions in vice city were among the best missions ever in all of the gta games, while SA's missions may have been more on drugs, driving, and simulation so I would give more credit to Vice City for having among the most realistic gangster missions that would make it more of a gangster game than SA. I mean since when do gangsters have to escape a plane after it blows up and use a parachute? I think that's kinda lame and the unrealistic parts i would have to give no credit at all. Why add parachutes or simulation when you could've just made the graphics better added more gangster missions, and perhaps gave a bigger soundtrack when you can just make a game after SA, which would have less glitches perhaps because of there being a little less features and I would say that SA is the best game that needs nothing more.

[Jennyfer8]

OMG, my nephew (age 3) damaged my copy of SA last night. Now, I got to buy a new one. (rolls eyes) But, I am not a huge hurry to do so.

PS--
How about a GTA-type game based off `Con Air`? Might be cool.

[albrozdud3]

Originally posted by john cena
And don't forget that it's also based on the movie Scarface. While SA isn't based on any such movie, which kinda bores me. I would have to say that the missions in vice city were among the best missions ever in all of the gta games, while SA's missions may have been more on drugs, driving, and simulation so I would give more credit to Vice City for having among the most realistic gangster missions that would make it more of a gangster game than SA. I mean since when do gangsters have to escape a plane after it blows up and use a parachute? I think that's kinda lame and the unrealistic parts i would have to give no credit at all. Why add parachutes or simulation when you could've just made the graphics better added more gangster missions, and perhaps gave a bigger soundtrack when you can just make a game after SA, which would have less glitches perhaps because of there being a little less features and I would say that SA is the best game that needs nothing more.

Hmmm, SA is indeed based off of movies. "Pulp Fiction", "Boyz in da hood," ... John Singleton, anyone?


And why not add parachutes?

And the two games dealt with different types of criminals... VC was mafia, SA was street gangs....

[Getaway Man]

Originally posted by albrozdud3
And the two games dealt with different types of criminals... VC was mafia, SA was street gangs....
And what about GTA 3? It was based on Italian Mafia, Colombian Cartel, Chinese Triad, Jamacain Yardie, and Japanese Yakuza with some extra missions with other gangs. GTA 3 had some what of an over flow of gangs, which p.oed me, honestly who makes a city, where you can't go to other parts without being shot at all the time. You have to get 100% of the game finished before the gangs stop shooting at you.

Vice city blew me away with its somewhat beautiful city, for which looked really nice. I like how the choppers, they fit perfectly. I admit, Vercetti's remarks are somewhat hiliarious. San Andreas sent me flying with it's huge selection of cars for which you could customize most of the cars, the fact that I could buy property and live in it (something I hated about VC), I recurit gang members and fly a freaking commercial air liner or a military fighter jet! The parachute added some sort of security to the games flying ability, would you rather fall to your doom from 800 feet in the air? Dought it, however I can't say much for Tureno's missions, they were like James Bond with a little mix of more violence, and a black dude.

[matt__jon]

they just wanted to work that whole line of gameplay into the missions so people would know it was there. Sure, it doesn't go with the rest of the game, and sometimes it wasn't fun (flying school), but its pretty cool.

I think they should really go into more depth on these features for the next game, like actual jobs where you get paid a salary to spy on double agents in the Toreno missions case, etc, but this is a Driver board, I won't talk about what the other game will need.