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This pic of what the new 2008 Trans Am might look like, based on the retro 5th gen Camaro, resembles the cars from the late 70s (bird on hood, shaker). Does this work in modern times or should they have gone with the plain look of the original? :reading:
http://highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2009_trans_am_concept_z.jpg
Original Bird (http://www.er3.com/firebird/67firebirdT.htm)
It looks cool, but I think I love the current model Mustang more.
Suffice to say, if it had the balls to back up the look, I'd take one if a Muzzie wasn't available.
Usufruct
05-16-2006, 10:33 AM
I just can't think of the Trans-Am without thinking of my old neighbors. Consequently, I wouldn't be able to drive one without burning my tires as much as possible, wearing a mullet and a dirty wifebeater, and screaming "yeeee haw" as loud as I possibly could, while finishing my 40 of Genesee and tossing the bottle at a passing pedestrian.
Casey388
05-16-2006, 11:51 PM
That is a pretty sweet looking ride, but i doubt it would look that good in person tho. The mustang is one car that didnt change too much from concept to showroom.
It could make the grade as a poor man's Viper, most of the extrovert looks at a lower price. That's where the 2004 GTO lost out, not enough pizzazz.:cool:
killjoy32
07-01-2006, 02:04 PM
When the new 08 or 09 camaro is released pontiac will not make a sheet metal sybling to go with it (AKA trans am, sorry to burst your bubble)
tappED
07-05-2006, 05:53 PM
I like the picture of the new 2008 Trans Am altohugh if it was any other color, it wouldnt look good aha.
EmEaston24
07-05-2006, 10:18 PM
they should change the body some
KoenigViper
07-05-2006, 10:44 PM
I agree. WAY too Camaro-like. Looks like they just put a new front on it, and kept everything else the same.
Cameron H
07-05-2006, 11:31 PM
I concure, looks just like a camaro but with a new front end:bulb:
Even in the past there was little if any difference between Camaro & Firebird in sheetmetal, mainly just in the nose and tail sections. In today's context they can come up with a different look cheaply and a new Trans Am is an easy way to add value (profit), the accountants should like that.;)
If I was into naming cars, this one might be called Cletus, lol.:D
http://www.pontiacpower.net/pictures/77tase12a.jpg
schemed1
07-18-2006, 04:11 PM
^^ what that guy said was right
but how are u going to namea car Cletus:haha:
ExiledKatan
07-18-2006, 06:49 PM
2008 Challenger > 2009 Camaro!
:D
but how are u going to namea car Cletus
Some kinda bizarre baptism ceremony,...driving fast through a shallow river bed? ;) :up:
cerebus23
07-22-2006, 08:28 PM
I just can't think of the Trans-Am without thinking of my old neighbors. Consequently, I wouldn't be able to drive one without burning my tires as much as possible, wearing a mullet and a dirty wifebeater, and screaming "yeeee haw" as loud as I possibly could, while finishing my 40 of Genesee and tossing the bottle at a passing pedestrian.
ROFL :D :punk: hilarious
mopar4life
07-23-2006, 12:03 AM
That is a PHOTOSHOPED CAMARO.Its looks good I hope they build it so I can waste it with my Plum Crazy Purple Challenger.
xDetroitMetalx
07-31-2006, 01:53 AM
Never heard anything of this but hey if they do bring it back I won't complain. I can't wait to see the mullets flying with Metallica or Kid Rock playing. It will give us all a good laugh.
I don't think it's photo shoped sir but keep dreaming about that hunk of junk beating anything GM makes. If you disagree, just know my 22 year old Vette when it was stock only lost by 2 car lengths to a new Viper O_O
It looks like something out of that movie cars. :)
xDetroitMetalx
07-31-2006, 06:15 PM
It looks like something out of that movie cars. :)
Ya that color ruins it for sure... How come Chevy always paints these concept cars some ugly blue?
If you disagree, just know my 22 year old Vette when it was stock only lost by 2 car lengths to a new Viper O_O
IMO there is only one Vette that goes well with a mullet, the C3 1975-82 era, and I mean that in a good way.;)
http://ncarboni.home.att.net/images/82CE_AtAFC_Small.jpg
VertigoSFX
08-08-2006, 01:56 PM
ya, looks exactly like the camaro, except they added the hoodscoop, the firebird on the hood, and that tall spoiler whatever uw ant to call that thing in the back, and maybe made the car a bit taller, other than that, its pretty much the same
kahuna7
08-17-2006, 06:06 AM
It's hard to make one that looks meaner than this...
http://myspace-140.vo.llnwd.net/00479/04/15/479125140_l.jpg
Camaros and Firebirds are sisters. They are very identical. the main differences are the interior, the front end, and the rear. Firebirds have been known for their flip up lights since 1982 I believe. Firebirds and Camaros even share the same engines.
Firebirds have been known for their flip up lights since 1982 I believe. Firebirds and Camaros even share the same engines.
My theory about the flip up lights on the 1982 Firebird is that it was influenced by the TV show Magnum P.I.. Magnum drove around in a red Ferrari 308 GTS, and if you look at a red 1982 Firebird it kinda resembles a poor man's Ferrari 308.:D
nobleman
08-25-2006, 11:53 PM
I hope they build the new camaro/Trans-am(firebird), Because the upcoming challenger needs something to beat in every single way. I strongly dislike the upcoming camaro/trans-am. The styling is too futuristic looking, and it's just plain ugly. they need to look back to 1969, the camaro's greatest year ever. take that body style, add some modern touches to the body, BAM! mustang and challenger competition. Because of this retro fad, I smell modern trans-am series racing.
mugenman
08-30-2006, 06:22 PM
Id rather see that than a camaro... maybe I just always liked a trans am
mugenman
08-30-2006, 06:28 PM
new challenger almost looks like the camaro
mopar4life
08-30-2006, 11:10 PM
Duh they are pony cars. Whats wrong with that. I love ALL ponycars so that doesnt matter to me.
Because of this retro fad, I smell modern trans-am series racing.
We are seeing the return of real American styling after years of blandness like the Taurus and Chrysler Neon. It's time Daimler-Chrysler brought out a new AMC Pacer, with rotary engine.:up:
http://www.american-motors.de/en/pacer/history/pacerx75.jpg
SSG Stealth USA
09-07-2006, 12:43 PM
Yep that 98-02 firebird is the best. IMO. even though I am partial, since I have one. haha I wish it was in the game.
2JZFAN
09-07-2006, 01:00 PM
I agree. WAY too Camaro-like. Looks like they just put a new front on it, and kept everything else the same.
isn't that what they always do..? :D
I have a theory about these pics/drawings of proposed new models that are put out by artists and 17 year old students, allegedly, it could be just a really informal form of public reaction testing by GM. The funny thing about the pic of the retro 1977/78 T/A is that it's baed on the 5th gen Camaro, which itself is based on the 1967-69 era cars. Even with the boxy look it's amazing how the car can be made to look unique just by playing with the tail & nose. If the new Camaro does well that means it won't cost much to come up with a small production run (5-10,000) of new LS2 6 liter T/As with retro shakers, that's bound to be a sell out even at 40K. :up:
downer
09-18-2006, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry, but that is nothing more than a HORRIBLE photoshop of the new Camaro.
MrDigital
09-18-2006, 07:33 PM
The new 2007(8?) Challenger beats that silly looking Camaro wannabe.
http://www.allpar.com/images/dodge/challenger/spy-head-on.jpg
Ceyvme
09-19-2006, 12:08 PM
If you disagree, just know my 22 year old Vette when it was stock only lost by 2 car lengths to a new Viper O_O
Bull!Your 205 hp vette isnt even enough to run low 14's. Dont try to claim your keeping up with low 12 high 11 second cars. Mid 80's vettes were sorry.
Bull!Your 205 hp vette isnt even enough to run low 14's. Dont try to claim your keeping up with low 12 high 11 second cars. Mid 80's vettes were sorry.
That isn't as odd as it sounds. The C4 was a light car, and cars in those days got a lot of performance from low power ratings. The Crossfire 350 engine was good enough to let the 1984 Corvette do 0-60 in 6.5 to 7 seconds, and the 230 hp TPI cars could break 6 seconds. Those cars had good torque, so they can surprise people used to current cars which sacrifice torque for hp.:cool:
Ceyvme
09-28-2006, 12:40 PM
That isn't as odd as it sounds. The C4 was a light car, and cars in those days got a lot of performance from low power ratings. The Crossfire 350 engine was good enough to let the 1984 Corvette do 0-60 in 6.5 to 7 seconds, and the 230 hp TPI cars could break 6 seconds. Those cars had good torque, so they can surprise people used to current cars which sacrifice torque for hp.:cool:
Sorry, that still doesnt back whats he claiming or even close to it. Hes claiming he pulled an 11 Second car with his mid 14 second vette. Who cares that it made 230 hp, thats nothing in todays cars and comparing a vette that made 170 whp and 240 wtq to a 500 whp 500 wtq car shows the lie that he spoke of. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is SLOOOOW even by early 90 and late 80's standards when mustang 5.0 manuals were breaking into the 6.3's.
Sorry, that still doesnt back whats he claiming or even close to it. Hes claiming he pulled an 11 Second car with his mid 14 second vette. Who cares that it made 230 hp, thats nothing in todays cars and comparing a vette that made 170 whp and 240 wtq to a 500 whp 500 wtq car shows the lie that he spoke of. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds is SLOOOOW even by early 90 and late 80's standards when mustang 5.0 manuals were breaking into the 6.3's.
A common criticism of the LS1 5.7 was that it lacked torque low down, which has lead to the LS2 6.0. The point is that late model engines, even ones as big as the Chrysler 6.1 HEMI, come on cam much later in the rev band and you can get a slight jump with an older design thanks to its torque before the much higher hp of the late model car lets it pull away. I wouldn't compare 1984 with early 90s because there were big improvements in those years, there was a 1 second drop between the TBI and TPI Corvettes alone, and that was with just a 25 hp increase.
shdwghst457
05-25-2007, 09:21 PM
It's hard to make one that looks meaner than this...
http://myspace-140.vo.llnwd.net/00479/04/15/479125140_l.jpg
Camaros and Firebirds are sisters. They are very identical. the main differences are the interior, the front end, and the rear. Firebirds have been known for their flip up lights since 1982 I believe. Firebirds and Camaros even share the same engines.
excellent observation, 1982 spawned the pop up headlights, and they do indeed share engines as well, but it was not always so. this started when pontiac stopped making their own engines and started using whatever corporate GM threw to them. the Pontiac 455 was the best engine a firebird could get (especially with the rare pontiac 400 heads on it, making it the best engine GM never made). i personally own a 1992 firebird and can point out every detail that makes it a firebird. the new trans am will look much like the sister camaro but with a different front clip, most likely will NOT have popup headlights in keeping with the GenI and GenII 'birds, a different rear clip, and a vastly different interior.
Lingenfelter
05-27-2007, 10:16 PM
This pic of what the new 2008 Trans Am might look like, based on the retro 5th gen Camaro, resembles the cars from the late 70s (bird on hood, shaker). Does this work in modern times or should they have gone with the plain look of the original? :reading:
http://highperformancepontiac.com/hotnews/hppp_0607_2009_trans_am_concept_z.jpg
Original Bird (http://www.er3.com/firebird/67firebirdT.htm)
look pimp, that is a photo chopped pic of the 08 camaro. i could do that myself if i wanted.
Lingenfelter
05-27-2007, 10:17 PM
I'm sorry, but that is nothing more than a HORRIBLE photoshop of the new Camaro.
HELL YA!!! someone else who knows and gets it. ROCK ON!!!
Outlaw40
05-28-2007, 11:30 AM
excellent observation, 1982 spawned the pop up headlights, and they do indeed share engines as well, but it was not always so. this started when pontiac stopped making their own engines and started using whatever corporate GM threw to them. the Pontiac 455 was the best engine a firebird could get (especially with the rare pontiac 400 heads on it, making it the best engine GM never made). i personally own a 1992 firebird and can point out every detail that makes it a firebird. the new trans am will look much like the sister camaro but with a different front clip, most likely will NOT have popup headlights in keeping with the GenI and GenII 'birds, a different rear clip, and a vastly different interior.
AMEN TO THAT
going back to that corvette comment, the only way i think he could've been able to finish that close to the viper is if the viper driver missed a gear or some other driver error, or the corvette is modded.
El_Kiki777
05-28-2007, 04:21 PM
I believe this is made up I was searching the pictures on Google images, I clicked on a picture and it took me to a forum link where this guy said he made it.
the rims are exactly the same I highly doubt that Pontiac would put the camaros rims on any of their cars.
shdwghst457
05-29-2007, 02:51 AM
I believe this is made up I was searching the pictures on Google images, I clicked on a picture and it took me to a forum link where this guy said he made it.
the rims are exactly the same I highly doubt that Pontiac would put the camaros rims on any of their cars.
they wouldn't. PONTIAC FTW
Outlaw40
05-29-2007, 06:22 PM
all i know is that they better do a new firebird when they do the camaro
Lingenfelter
05-30-2007, 02:25 PM
most likely they wont. they have been the same for ever and probably will be. lol
I say forget the firebird.. I want to see the new GTO.
Love the Monaro/GTO style.. it's not overly aggressive nor is it too soft.. it's just plain purrty.. looks a lot better on the streets!.. :D
Outlaw40
05-30-2007, 04:32 PM
the GTO is fast, but it has zero styling, the F-Bodies look much better than the new GTO, i hope they do some serious redesigning for the new one
It's elegant, simple, civilized, and just plain awesome..
I personally do not like F body Camaro's and Trans Am's... the camaro is too pointy and the trans am just looks plain weird with all those akward curves and over the top styling... I'd still drive them, but I'll take a GTO over either of those any day. I couldn't truly appreciate the GTO until I saw it on the streets.. believe me, it looks amazing.. at least to me. (looks even better when it's flying down the street) :D
Outlaw40
05-30-2007, 09:28 PM
my friends brother owns a blue 06, i like the car, and it's best feature by far is its interor, i've been thinking of trying to find maybe one of the first gen. LS1 GTO's because i'm nearing 100,000 miles on my formula, but i think that they would have kept it looking more like the monaro it would have been cooler, i'm not saying i dont like the car, i'm just saying it could be better. have you noticed how the hood fits on the one in test drive?
Well if you are referring to the hood scoops on the LS2, then I agree, they look out of place.. but they are optional after all! :D
Still though, I love the new GTO.. that's like my realistic dream car.. too bad I won't be owning one anytime soon.
Outlaw40
05-30-2007, 10:41 PM
i'd like to see what would happen if someone transplanted an LS7 crate engine into one of those. it could be done because it's the same dimentions and all that stuff, someone should try it. if they can put one in a Solstice they can put one in a goat
I think GM needs to really get behind the GTO..
They need to invest more time and money into it, right now it's just a monaro clone but it could be so much more.. it really is a great car for a great price.. but we want more features, options, performance trims!.. Lol
LS7 Pontiac GTO-R :D
Outlaw40
05-30-2007, 11:40 PM
yea, i think if they don't recreate the Firebird they should use the GTO as their forerunner in performance. make it around 28,000 somewhat equipped to compete with some of the nicer imports out there like the Mazdaspeed 6 and the evo.
MetalHeadXi158
06-03-2007, 12:20 PM
Dude you people are ****ing retarded the new camaro looks so ****ing gay and fat! It looks like that ****** car the chrysler 300 and its so stupid its bland and lame with nothing impressive and btw that picture of a new firebird was something somebody made the firebird is never coming back and the originals will never be replaced and thats why it will always be the best car in the world
Outlaw40
06-03-2007, 05:27 PM
/\ok?/\
i think i would accept a new firebird if it looked right, and i dont want an exact copy of the camaro.
mrfajita1989
06-07-2007, 09:32 PM
personally i think that GM has started to get the right idea. they got the Camaro right. now they need to continue and remake the GTO again. though i like the latest GTO, i wasnt to fond of the fact that they just took it from monarco. if they get the GTO right then they should focus on the bird. i really dont like this drawing. to me it would take away from the success of the camaro. pontiac needs to completely remake the car.
ROGUE KILL3r
06-07-2007, 11:18 PM
Looks like the new Camaro concept.
http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/chevrolet-camaro-concept-2006-712141.jpg
Captain A
06-08-2007, 05:59 PM
Looks like the new Camaro concept.
http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/chevrolet-camaro-concept-2006-712141.jpg
I have always liked the looks of the concept. It kinda looks like a Cylon from the new battlestar series. I am still not sure if that is a good thing or not.
Outlaw40
06-12-2007, 08:47 PM
GTO's look a lot better without the rear wing, it also separates them somewhat from the monaro, but if it was me i wouldn't try and make it look like any specific for fear of totally screwing it up.
I think GM needs to really get behind the GTO..
It seems GM agrees, they have chosen the GTO to be the sister car of the new 5th gen Camaro...even saying that sounds odd, i.e. Camaro & GTO related...but that's modern GM for you, lol.:D
Long live the Goat!!:cool:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k259/tlake_2006/GTO73.jpg
djblackmon
06-26-2007, 02:20 PM
The LS7 GTO's are already available. When you buy you're GTO, you tell them you want a LS7, and the send it out to some place to get it done.
The same goes for the Solstice, you can get a LS2 or LS7 dropped in.
As for GTO-R, thats a big no-no. GTO already stands for Gran Turismo Omologato, and adding R for racing its quite dumb.
Well.. they did STEAL the name from Ferrari... :confused:
Not to mention, there ARE GTO R's.. they're just not street legal. :D
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0605_2007_pontiac_gto_r/
http://www.theracersgroup.com/racing/pro/gto.php
Edit - I didn't know you had options when it came to the engine in the GTO.. I've never even heard about a LS7 GTO, you got any videos, I'd like to see it in action, all I found was a dyno vid.
djblackmon
06-26-2007, 03:40 PM
Oh, and it isn't a listed option. You have to go to the service/parts department, and they will order the motor for you, and swap it in. Though you can get is off GM direct for cheap, and bring it to a certified shop to put it on. But then I think what way will void your warrenty.
There is a guy on www.ls2gto.com (http://www.ls2gto.com) with a LS7 swapped GTO.
Here is the thread. http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108691 (http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108691)
The first few pages are pics and info on the install. Then comes the videos.
Yeah I figured that much Lol...
but jebus, $17,000 just for the engine.. F that.. for that kind of doe I would just slap a supercharger on the LS2. :D
_HighVoltage_
06-26-2007, 04:47 PM
I never liked Camaros, but i always loved the Firebird. The 1982-1992 generation especially, although they were kind of slow. I am thinking of buying one next year.
I don't want the new Firebird to look like that Camaro. They should stop with this "back-to-the-60s" thing and continue the aerodynamic form of the latest generation Firebird.
Mobius1Fox2
06-26-2007, 07:29 PM
djblackmon
Not to flame or anything, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Trust me, Pontiac's not taking orders on any GTOs (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33778).
For the past 3 years, I've sold Pontiacs for a living, and not only is there no '08 GTO, but there wasn't an '07 GTO either. Don't believe me? Just check Pontiac's own website (http://www.pontiac.com/) (under the "Pontiac Vehicle" menu). Next, you could never get the LS7 as an engine, even as an unlisted option, as it didn't exist yet in 2005 and therefore wasn't available for the '06 model year. Furthermore, there are no definative plans for a new GTO or Firebird, just years-old rumors and terrible photoshops circling the internet. Plus, the arrival of the Pontiac's new flagship model, the G8 (http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news070207_2008_pontiac_g8), is imminent. And finally, if you want a factory-like install (with a 2-year/24,000-mile warrenty no less) of an LS2 or LS7 in your Solstice or Sky, you've gotta talk to these guys (http://www.mallettcars.com/conversions.htm).
PS - I've owned two LS1 T/As, my current one being an '02 WS6 Hurst in Sunset Orange Metallic, and nothing is going to make me happier than stepping out of that buckboard than stepping into an Audi S5 come fall.
djblackmon
06-26-2007, 08:40 PM
I did not say there is new GTOs coming out. I said when you buy a GTO you can tell them you want to order and LS7 crate.
Mobius1Fox2
06-26-2007, 11:38 PM
I'm not trying to argue or anything, and I understand what you're saying; however, by that logic, when you are buying any car from GM, you could order a crate LS7 (http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/EngineShowcase/index.jsp?engId=LS7&engine=LS7&sku=17802397&engCat=ls)... Or not even be ordering a car at all and you could still order an LS7 from GM Performance Parts. Buying certified used GM cars from your local dealer with the GM Power Buy option is a very powerful tool and (not to be a used car salesman about it or anything) it's very easy to get exactly what you want when it comes to model trim, color, options, accessories, etc. Even though most, if not almost all, dealerships won't install a crate engine for you, especially on a used car, there are a number of professional commercial tuners who'll drop that 427 into your Goat.
You're from Jersey, so you must have heard of SLP (http://www.slponline.com/), not to mention Lingenfelter (http://www.lingenfelter.com/). Local shops are always looking to create their own Frankenstein's monster when it comes to domestic iron, too.
Here are some great articles about commercially tuned GTOs:
GM Performance Parts (http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/Racing/ls7_gto.jsp)
'04 SLP (http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0507htp_2004_pontiac_gto_feature/)
'05 SLP (http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0602htp_2005_pontiac_gto_feature/)
Lingenfelter (http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0408_2004_lingenfelter_pontiac_gto/index.html)
shame about the GTO.. it left as quickly as it came. I guess I can only dream of a GTO, as by the time I would be able to afford one it will be pretty old haha..
oh well, SRT 4 here I come.
Anyway the new vette SS is supposed to have a Vortech 6.1 400HP engine supercharged to 600hp.. so much for the LS2 and LS7.
Outlaw40
06-27-2007, 05:07 PM
the vette is actually going to be called the blue devil and the motor is going to be called the LS9, vortec and LS motors are the same, just differant applications. If you want a gto try looking for ones sitting at dealers still i know you can find them, but if you want a 6-speed good luck.
Well.. they did STEAL the name from Ferrari...
Legend has it that a journalist added the "O" to GTO on the Italian car in the first place because of the monotonous regularity with which the Ferrari 250 GT kept winning in the old days. The factory picked up on the short hand, and the rest is history.:D
The GTO has a future though when they factory fit the 7 liter to the new GTO. Did anyone see the BBC show Top Gear where Clarkson accelerated the Corvette Z06 to 150 mph using just top gear?!:cool:
gt goku daron
07-24-2007, 05:25 PM
does anyone have the ferrari 575 marnelleo
Jake33
07-24-2007, 07:53 PM
Legend has it that a journalist added the "O" to GTO on the Italian car in the first place because of the monotonous regularity with which the Ferrari 250 GT kept winning in the old days. The factory picked up on the short hand, and the rest is history.:D
The GTO has a future though when they factory fit the 7 liter to the new GTO. Did anyone see the BBC show Top Gear where Clarkson accelerated the Corvette Z06 to 150 mph using just top gear?!:cool:
It wasn't the top gear it was 5th :p, but yep.. I saw it, pretty cool video, the 5th gear take off starts at 1:10 in the video:up: here's the link; http://youtube.com/watch?v=x1vPPqOMY2w
2008 BMW M3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RaUrTidXR0s&feature=dir
Kaftan
08-01-2007, 02:52 AM
I'm fairly certain there won't be a sister Firebird to the new Camaro. When they were rolling the last 2000 collector's edition Trans Ams off the line, they were badged with "Last of the Breed" (this badge also appeared on some other TA's, apparently). Last I heard GM was considering a GTO sister car, which is a lot more plausible, seeing as how the 04-06 GTOs were already utilizing the LS2 block that's going into the new Camaro.
In any case, even if there is a sister car being planned, it won't happen for a while. GM has been really advertising their Camaro, and they'll want to give that all the thunder they can.
Kaftan
08-01-2007, 04:07 PM
I never liked Camaros, but i always loved the Firebird. The 1982-1992 generation especially, although they were kind of slow. I am thinking of buying one next year.
I don't want the new Firebird to look like that Camaro. They should stop with this "back-to-the-60s" thing and continue the aerodynamic form of the latest generation Firebird.
I think Camaros have always looked pretty bland when compared to Firebirds myself.
Also, good choice with the 3rd gen Firebirds. I like the earlier 3rd gen styles, but the later 3rd gen models are where Pontiac began to beef 'em up a little bit. Started using that 5.7, one of the predecessors to the LS1 :)
wrxstisrule
08-04-2007, 07:28 PM
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Edomedo
08-04-2007, 08:14 PM
how do i unlock a dam club in single player story mode or what ever its called?
Jake33
08-06-2007, 03:01 PM
trans am r gay:down::down::down::down:
trans am r gay? What.:confused:
how do i unlock a dam club in single player story mode or what ever its called?
Could we try and stay on topic?
It wasn't the top gear it was 5th
Ha, ha, I think the electronics wouldn't let him select 6th, even 10 years ago GM were using the skip shift facility automatically going to 5th on light throttle. The ECU would probably have blocked him trying 6th.:D
Personally, I would like to see Clarkson in a new T/A. The irony is that he has already been in the GTO several times (sold there as the Vauxhall Monaro), and he liked it.
It's going to be an interesting time for GM one way or another in the next couple of years, the new Camaro will be a make or break car. What attraction does the GTO nameplate have for anyone under 45?
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