Honda cars in TDU?

[EdgeGamer]

Hey guys... from the Car List we have now there are no Honda cars. I personally love the Honda S2000 and the Honda Civic... what do you guys think, should these cars be in the game?

[Agent51]

Hey guys... from the Car List we have now there are no Honda cars. I personally love the Honda S2000 and the Honda Civic... what do you guys think, should these cars be in the game?

I think they should be in games like Midnight Club and Need For Speed but they don't belong in this game. I say that because this game is about high-end cars, and isn't about after-market tuning and upgrading and customizing, which is what you normally associate manufacturers like Honda with, especialy a civic. I don't think the civic or the S2000 fit very well in the company of Ferrari, Lambo, Aston Martin, etc etc, especially since they are rather unimpressive without all of the after-market upgrades and customization. I don't really have anything against them (I don't like the S2000s but civics are OK), but I just don't think they are a good fit for this particular game.

[EliteSnowBoardr]

yeah but this game is for pretty much anybody, you can buy and customize cars with aftermarket parts if you choose to or you could drive the high end cars, this game is not just about driving high end cars. I think atleast 1 honda should be in the game, i would rather have the s2000 than the civic, dont get me wrong i love civics but an s2000 would be better, honda would fit in a little better with mazda,nissan,chevy,shelby and ford in this game except for some of the ford cars

[Usufruct]

A Honda civic certainly doesn't belong in a game like this.

[XR8]

Civics aren't sports cars.

[Cameron H]

Civics dont belong in this game.....they would be turned into piles of ashes from the exhaust pipes of Ferrari's and Lamborghini's lol....wow I just red what I said and I sound like a complete idiot...but you get the point.:bulb:

[EdgeGamer]

You have a point bout the Civic, but a car like the S2000 would be very nice to have... remember the 350z isn't that much of a sports car but its still in the game!

TBH I would prefer a Honda S2000 over a Ferrari, even if I had unlimited budget to buy a car.

[Agent51]

yeah but this game is for pretty much anybody, you can buy and customize cars with aftermarket parts if you choose to or you could drive the high end cars, this game is not just about driving high end cars. I think atleast 1 honda should be in the game, i would rather have the s2000 than the civic, dont get me wrong i love civics but an s2000 would be better, honda would fit in a little better with mazda,nissan,chevy,shelby and ford in this game except for some of the ford cars

I know it's for everybody, but I still think Hondas belong in games geared more toward the "import tuner" scene than a game like this. I know there are other cars in it that aren't "super" cars already, like the 350z and such, but those cars still have the look of a "super" car (to an extent) whereas a civic just looks like your everyday driver car. They are rather plain and simple before body kits and other cosmetic uprgades, which haven't been announced and don't seem likely to be included in the game (aside from the factory interior/wheels/paint upgrade and the performance upgrades).

I guess the S2000 could be in there since it has the looks of a sports car and such, but still, I think they are trying to limit the amount of "tuner" cars in the game since this isn't an "underground street racer" game in the Need For Speed Underground/Midnight Club sense, where it seems like the emphasis is more on the deep customization than the racing itself.

[tappED]

I think they should be in the game becasue we dont want every racer that isnt even a good racer to start off with a lambo and have a better chance of winning. we should all start off in the game with cars like civics and worse cars then ferrari's and such, then when you win races with your not-so-good car, you can upgrade the car, race to get more $ and buy the sports cars, or if you love your car, you can keep upgrading it. Im sure the dev's will have enough upgrades to have unique cars.

edit: or even just put some spiders and spider eclipse or some celicas

[killjoy32]

I agree on the s200 but not the civic, they are way to slow and are not ecotic like the cars in the game. I see them everyday!!

[KoenigViper]

This game is based around having a dream-like lifestyle.

People with Civics don't normally own million dollar homes, let alone 64 of them.

[EdgeGamer]

kk lol... forget the Civic (agree with you guys)...

Although... since cars like the Mazda RX-8 and the 350z are in the game, I don't think there's a reason not to include the S2000 as one of the starter cars for example. Personally, I've only seen stock S2000s.

[xXShadowStrikeX]

I guess it is just a matter of if they can get the licencing on them and if they think it fits in with the theme of exotic cars and a rich lifestyle/

[tappED]

ive seen a picture of a pink s2000 and it looks wicked..http://www.hestemarked.no/vip/656/Honda%20s2000.jpg

That car there looks like its able to be in the game.

[killjoy32]

thats from 2fast 2furious

[EdgeGamer]

Ye... that's Suki's S2000... the S2000 can be considered as an exotic... ok its not a Lambo but its still a car which is worth quite a lot of money and since (as I said before) cars like the RX-8 and 350z are in the game and the S2000 can be considered of the same class, I think it deserves to be in the game.

What might have happenned is that either the car is in the game but we don't know or, Honda wouldn't give out the licence.

[Agent51]

I think they should be in the game becasue we dont want every racer that isnt even a good racer to start off with a lambo and have a better chance of winning. we should all start off in the game with cars like civics and worse cars then ferrari's and such, then when you win races with your not-so-good car, you can upgrade the car, race to get more $ and buy the sports cars, or if you love your car, you can keep upgrading it. Im sure the dev's will have enough upgrades to have unique cars.

edit: or even just put some spiders and spider eclipse or some celicas

Except I believe the storyline is that you are "living the life" and have the money to make an exotic island like O'ahu your personal playground and you have the means to buy fancy cars and houses. That's why we start with cars that aren't Lambos and Ferraris but that are still "fancy" enough to be believeable that someone with the lifestyle the game is trying to convey would buy them. A 350z definately isn't a Ferrari, but it's also not a plain old Honda Civic or Acura Integra either, plenty of wealthy people drive 350zs because they LOOK way more expensive/exotic than they actually are. We don't start the game being able to afford super cars but the starting cars we can afford still aren't your plain old run-of-the-mill everday people cars.

That being said, I guess they COULD include an S2000 if they have the 350z and such, so I'm guessing it's either a licensing issue or the devs only wanted a certain number of import-tuner type cars and they already filled the quota and the S2000 didn't make the cut? Only the devs know why it wasn't in there, but I personally think the S2000s look dumb, so I'm not losing any sleep over it ;)

[SVT_MAN]

I wouldn't have a problem with the S2000 in the game. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the car has a powerful engine and good handling, it can be in the game. I'm not an S2000 fan, but I wouldn't mind it in the game. The more cars, the merrier. Just one more import tuner car to win against. As far as the Civic, the Civic's name implies why it shouldn't be in this game. Civic implies utilitarian transportation that the everyday Joe can own. Sure, some of the cars in the game can be owned by a lot of people due to their low price --- but the Civic looks like an ordinary car and it drives like an ordinary car. Stock, its 0-60 time is slow, even with the biggest engine. It does not fit the desired lifestyle in the game. You would never see Magnum PI types driving around in a Honda -- even as a starter car. A 350Z? Maybe. A S2000? Maybe. A Mustang? Maybe. A Ferrari? Definitely. Not a Civic though.

By the way, that S2000 in the post looks like a car that Mattel would release for Barbie's dream house or something. Maybe some chicks who are going to play this game would like that, but not me. That car wreaks of bad taste. As I understood it, this game is about classiness and high style. Some people may not realize it, but ricer import-style cars aren't classy and neither is Barbie's S2000 ...

[SpoonS2k]

For all the S2000 lovers....here are a few pictures. By the way, this is what a S2000 should look like, not that pink piece of rice from Fast and the Furious 2.

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/hardtop_workmeisters.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/mugen_power.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/blueion_lineup.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/deals_gap_s2k.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/br_11.jpg

[SVT_MAN]

For all the S2000 lovers....here are a few pictures. By the way, this is what a S2000 should look like, not that pink piece of rice from Fast and the Furious 2.

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/hardtop_workmeisters.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/mugen_power.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/blueion_lineup.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/deals_gap_s2k.jpg

http://s2kcarolinas.com/events/wake_dragon_06/images/br_11.jpg

Agreed. Hondas are only ruined by the people who own them.

[Brock78]

Personally, I'd rather see my Mazda 6s rather then a Miata or anything Honda ever manufactured. Just my opinion though... ;)

[S203]

How about the Honda NSX? Pretty exotic car, isnt cheap. Btw those S2k's our nice, thats coming from a elise owner. lol

[xXShadowStrikeX]

Yes the NSX is a nice car and would fit the bill. My opinion on the S2000 is somewhat divided. It can be considered to be of the same ranks as the Zs, but again, they might have filled the quota already. I like the car, but also would not care either way. Getting back to Honda though, the ricers see it as their paradise. The bikes are different, but the name Honda brings also the backdrop of 2 foot spoiler tuners.

[Brock78]

The NSX was actually manufactured by Acura (a division of Honda), but they are no longer made. I liked the car, but never really liked how the back was stretched out so much.

[xXShadowStrikeX]

It was a very long car. The styling was pretty good though.

[Brock78]

Yeah I liked the front styling and the convertible was really hot. I think they used to go for somewhere in $70k range.

[xXShadowStrikeX]

Yea they weren't all that pricey(sp?). Did they have a lot of power though?

[XR8]

Why an S2000?

I would go a NSX over a bloody S2000.

[SVT_MAN]

Yea they weren't all that pricey(sp?). Did they have a lot of power though?

Yeah, it was one engine that actually was worthy of the VTEC badge. Of course, this utilized a V6. It was a far cry from the high-revving 4 banger in the S2000 but it was at least worthy of the VTEC prestige. All VTEC means in the 4 bangers is that you need to wait till 5,000 RPM for a kick in the pants.

[XR8]

The NSX was actually manufactured by Acura (a division of Honda), but they are no longer made. I liked the car, but never really liked how the back was stretched out so much.

As far as I know, Acura is a Honda brand unique to America. In Japan and Australia, NSXs are badged as Hondas.

I almost bought a 2001 NSX in red with only 11,000kms. It was sold to another Queenslander for $91,000 AUD, I offered more, but the seller kept his word to the original buyer. Ended up with a Z4 3.0 instead, haven't regretted it all.

[SpoonS2k]

The NSX was actually manufactured by Acura (a division of Honda), but they are no longer made. I liked the car, but never really liked how the back was stretched out so much.

Sorry to say your wrong. Honda manufactured the NSX. Honda knew Americans wouldnt buy a 90k "HONDA" so they badged it as a Acura.

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/honda/nsxtyper_1.jpg

[SpoonS2k]

Yeah, it was one engine that actually was worthy of the VTEC badge. Of course, this utilized a V6. It was a far cry from the high-revving 4 banger in the S2000 but it was at least worthy of the VTEC prestige. All VTEC means in the 4 bangers is that you need to wait till 5,000 RPM for a kick in the pants.

Well, 6,000 RPM in my 4 banger but you got 3,000k worth of pull in VTEC. Not to mention 3rd gear in the S2000 pulls for so long...its amazing. Get a ride in one and you may have a change of opinion about VTEC in a 4 banger. Its a pretty wild ride.

[EdgeGamer]

We forgot one thing btw guys... we don't have an official car list and the devs said that they will be adding cars later on and haven't still finished the car list... sooo the S2000 and NSX might be already in the game or planned to be added afterwards!

Personally, I prefer the S2000 over the NSX coz I hate the NSX's rear... kinda funny.

[XR8]

I liked the NSX's rear, not sure I like the rear end on the Saleen S7 in comparison. I'm not really a fan of Japanese sports cars "rice", but the NSX is a car I would be more than happy to own, if I had to go Japanese.

[SpoonS2k]

I always thought the prelude rear end looked like the NSX rear end.

I do hope the S2000 is in the game...i will certainly buy the game then. Right now im on the fence, though i really enjoyed the demo so far.

Forza 2 <---or---> Test Drive

(Or both?) I have yet to make up my mind.

[SVT_MAN]

Well, 6,000 RPM in my 4 banger but you got 3,000k worth of pull in VTEC. Not to mention 3rd gear in the S2000 pulls for so long...its amazing. Get a ride in one and you may have a change of opinion about VTEC in a 4 banger. Its a pretty wild ride.

I've been in 12 second Honda Civics before. While they are fast, they are still not a car I would want. I'm just not really into the whole 4 cylinder sports car thing. Sure, it's impressive to have 100 hp / liter .. but what does it prove? It proves that you can do it. As engines get bigger, it gets harder and harder to push 100 hp / liter without supercharging.

I know the S2000 handles well, and I know it is fast at 10/10 .. but the thing the car lacks is torque. And I really like torque. My Mercury Sable could probably pull a comparable 60 foot at a drag strip. Sure, pretty quickly, later on down the line, you'd waste me. But, that initial "kick in the rear" is so much fun. Cars that have off-the-line the grunt like that are just a lot more fun than having to wait for "VTEC" to kick in (for me at least).

Even more embarassing, even though the car only has a 4 cylinder, it only gets 20/26 EPA mileage estimates and even worse if you drive the car hard. With a Mustang GT rated at 17/25 with a 300 hp V8, it kinda makes me wonder .. why bother with an inline 4? I know from personal experience that our 99 Mustang GT easily gets 27 mpg highway. And, you also need to consider that the high revving, DOHC nature requires premium fuel. All Mustangs, except the SVT Cobra / GT-500 Shelbys run on regular fuel. It just seems odd to me that an S2000 with a 4 cylinder wouldn't be any cheaper to run than a big V8 Mustang. Even with combined driving, we get 23 or 24. And, that's with goofing around. I mean, even a 7L LS7 V8 gets 16/26 mileage estimates. With mileage like that on big, meaty V8s, why mess around with a 4 cylinder?

Anyway, I'm not saying I don't like your car. I respect the fact that it's fast and good handling. Those are just the reasons I wouldn't buy one. It's still nicer than my car, and I respect that you had the money to purchase one. I'm still working my way through college so my money goes towards other priorities.

[SpoonS2k]

Also, one cool thing i heard about Forza 2 is that they will incorportate VTEC, so you will actually hear the sound difference and the power difference while driving a Honda/Acura car in Forza. Something i think GT4 missed and the originally Forza. If Test Drive devs puts Hondas in the game, they reallly should try and incorporate the power and sound difference once VTEC hits.

Yes, I know, but I can keep hoping...

[Brock78]

As far as I know, Acura is a Honda brand unique to America. In Japan and Australia, NSXs are badged as Hondas.

I almost bought a 2001 NSX in red with only 11,000kms. It was sold to another Queenslander for $91,000 AUD, I offered more, but the seller kept his word to the original buyer. Ended up with a Z4 3.0 instead, haven't regretted it all.
I did not know that. I've actually only come across a few of them in my life. My old neighbor used to have a 2002 red convertible. Too bad he was a big douchebag! :haha:

[SpoonS2k]

I've been in 12 second Honda Civics before. While they are fast, they are still not a car I would want. I'm just not really into the whole 4 cylinder sports car thing. Sure, it's impressive to have 100 hp / liter .. but what does it prove? It proves that you can do it. As engines get bigger, it gets harder and harder to push 100 hp / liter without supercharging.

I know the S2000 handles well, and I know it is fast at 10/10 .. but the thing the car lacks is torque. And I really like torque. My Mercury Sable could probably pull a comparable 60 foot at a drag strip. Sure, pretty quickly, later on down the line, you'd waste me. But, that initial "kick in the rear" is so much fun. Cars that have off-the-line the grunt like that are just a lot more fun than having to wait for "VTEC" to kick in (for me at least).

Even more embarassing, even though the car only has a 4 cylinder, it only gets 20/26 EPA mileage estimates and even worse if you drive the car hard. With a Mustang GT rated at 17/25 with a 300 hp V8, it kinda makes me wonder .. why bother with an inline 4? I know from personal experience that our 99 Mustang GT easily gets 27 mpg highway. And, you also need to consider that the high revving, DOHC nature requires premium fuel. All Mustangs, except the SVT Cobra / GT-500 Shelbys run on regular fuel. It just seems odd to me that an S2000 with a 4 cylinder wouldn't be any cheaper to run than a big V8 Mustang. Even with combined driving, we get 23 or 24. And, that's with goofing around. I mean, even a 7L LS7 V8 gets 16/26 mileage estimates. With mileage like that on big, meaty V8s, why mess around with a 4 cylinder?

Anyway, I'm not saying I don't like your car. I respect the fact that it's fast and good handling. Those are just the reasons I wouldn't buy one. It's still nicer than my car, and I respect that you had the money to purchase on. I'm still working my way through college so my money goes towards other priorities.

Great post and I hear what your saying. To be honest with you, its two different types of speed. My friend had a Mustang GT that I loved driving (Torque!). And personally, if i had a the $$, i would certainly restore an old muscle car. But for driving purposes, I enjoyed driving Mountain roads and track driving more than drag strip racing.

I've always felt the gas milage was pretty good for the S2000. The sticker off the S2k has the same milage, 26 city / 28 Hwy as my old car did which was a Volvo 850. Yes, premium gas is a must but thats due to the high compression ratio (11.0:1). The best part though is that on empty, it take 10 gallons to fill up.

It took two years after college for me to finally make the purchase. I had been wanting it for at least 2 years prior but I waited and made sure i could afford it. Prior to that I had wanted a Audi TT and god knows what i was thinking back then.

[SVT_MAN]

Great post and I hear what your saying. To be honest with you, its two different types of speed. My friend had a Mustang GT that I loved driving (Torque!). And personally, if i had a the $$, i would certainly restore an old muscle car. But for driving purposes, I enjoyed driving Mountain roads and track driving more than drag strip racing.

I've always felt the gas milage was pretty good for the S2000. The sticker off the S2k has the same milage, 26 city / 28 Hwy as my old car did which was a Volvo 850. Yes, premium gas is a must but thats due to the high compression ratio (11.0:1). The best part though is that on empty, it take 10 gallons to fill up.

It took two years after college for me to finally make the purchase. I had been wanting it for at least 2 years prior but I waited and made sure i could afford it. Prior to that I had wanted a Audi TT and god knows what i was thinking back then.

Personally, even though I said how much I like power, I'd rather have a car that handled well than one with 400 horsepower, so I know where you are coming from. The Mustang we own actually handles quite well (despite its archaic underpinnings and live axle). It's loads of fun to toss into power-on oversteer. I love going fast around turns. In that, I can understand why you like your S2000. I just wish that Honda would build a car as a sequel to the NSX or even a more midrange car with a bigger motor (maybe even a V8!) and rear wheel drive. Then again, Ford's only decent RWD car is the Mustang. I wish they'd bring the FPV Falcon over here from down under.

[SpoonS2k]

Isnt the Falcon the car that was in Mad Max?

They are building a sequel to the NSX and it will be a V10 with VTEC i believe, maybe more...but dont expect anytime soon. Here is a quote from Honda CEO Takeo ***ui:

"We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V10 engine in three to four years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor.”

[SpoonS2k]

After a little Google time, found out the Ford Falcon was in fact the Mad Max car. Thats BA.

http://www.madmaxmovies.com/cars/madmax/index.html

[XR8]

http://www.fpv.com.au/media/26372/banner.jpg

Better than a Crown Vic, for sure. ;)

I'm not exactly sure why we don't export to the US, there's a model within the BA Falcon range known as the XR6 Turbo, which comes with 245Kw from the factory (turbo-charged six). It can easily be tuned for minimal cash to put out 330Kw and higher, the highest I have seen is 600Kw.

The FPV F6 Typhoon is based off the XR6 Turbo, but with power uprated to 270/275Kw and the torque from this six cylinder is 560Nm, 20Nm above the 290Kw 5.4L V8 the Falcon uses.

I heard we shipped a couple of each model over to the US for evaluation and I haven't heard a thing. Ditto for Holden's vehicles.

One American car I do like the look of is the Charger, however, I have owned two American cars and the last one bit me hard. 2000 Mustang Saleen supercharged that went like a bat out of hell, but was poorly built. Now the car I had prior to that was of 1956 vintage and was a T-Bird, which was built like a Sherman tank. I suppose in America, Mustangs are disposable cars, but down here, they are very, very expensive.

[SVT_MAN]

Mustang is a showcase of American values in a lot of ways. It represents freedom for an inexpensive price. The original Mustang was actually not about going fast. It was about sport car (not sports car, there's a difference) styling at an affordable price. I think the Mustang would be a rip off to import to Australia too. It's not a remarkably refined car, but that's part of the fun. But it's only fun if you aren't paying for the refinement. Sounds like you more than paid for it down under.

I would love it if Ford brought the Falcon platform up to America. However, if they do they will need to change the styling to something closer to the 427 concept. Otherwise the same thing that happened to the GTO will happen to the Falcon. It'll die before it even gets started due to poor sales. (Americans want a bold statement -- it seems that most Aussie cars have designs that are too understated for our extremely demanding market, which, funny enough, seems to care more about how a car looks than how it performs these days .... )

Don't get me wrong -- those Falcons look great. I'd love one. However, the problem with them is that their design is too 1990s vintage. It needs to be less smooth and more squared off to compete with the likes of the CTS and the Japanese cars.

[tappED]

now that you bring up all these points, forget the civic, but add the S2000

[EdgeGamer]

now that you bring up all these points, forget the civic, but add the S2000

Ye... forget bout the Civic... This poll is going to be for the S2000 and maybe the NSX (for you NSX lovers).

[XR8]

You need to make direct comparisons, I would think the Falcon would be more than likely be replacing the Crown Victoria if it were to lob over there and, no offence, but the Crown Vic looks extremely dated in comparison.

Ford Australia imported 2,000 Mustang GTs into Australia and converted them over to RHD. Great motor and concept, only problem was the car was poorly put together. We have different conditions to America, our cars need to survive a hell of a lot more, in comparison. So, the poor Mustang never really sold too well here and Ford Australia lost a bit of money on the whole thing. Holden was considering importing in the Corvette, but after observing the lack of buyer interest in the Mustang, obviously pulled the plug, which is a shame.

I'm not exactly sure how the '05 Mustang fairs in comparison to its predecessor, but I hope well. I'm selling my M3 and planning to pickup a '05 Mustang GT over in the UK, when my brother moves over there. It will set me back about $40,000 AUD and a further $10,000 AUD for the conversion to RHD, but I just love the look, big fan of the classic Muzzies.

If you want to know how much a brand spankin' new Mustang GT costs in Australia, you'd be up for $135,000 AUD or $101,450 USD. For Aussies, that punts the Mustang GT into Boxster S, Z4 M and SLK territory, so we sort of expect a bit of quality. ;)

Me, I just hope it doesn't develop too many rattles as I do a fair bit of country driving.

[Andrewistheman]

the honda does not belong in this game now if you want a car thats not there it would be subaru WRX or : porsche

[FordGTGuy]

Hondas are not considered desired cars that poeple would want to drive for hours around Oahu you would look pretty stupid next to a Gallardo in a Civic CRX.

[SVT_MAN]

You need to make direct comparisons, I would think the Falcon would be more than likely be replacing the Crown Victoria if it were to lob over there and, no offence, but the Crown Vic looks extremely dated in comparison.

Ford Australia imported 2,000 Mustang GTs into Australia and converted them over to RHD. Great motor and concept, only problem was the car was poorly put together. We have different conditions to America, our cars need to survive a hell of a lot more, in comparison. So, the poor Mustang never really sold too well here and Ford Australia lost a bit of money on the whole thing. Holden was considering importing in the Corvette, but after observing the lack of buyer interest in the Mustang, obviously pulled the plug, which is a shame.

I'm not exactly sure how the '05 Mustang fairs in comparison to its predecessor, but I hope well. I'm selling my M3 and planning to pickup a '05 Mustang GT over in the UK, when my brother moves over there. It will set me back about $40,000 AUD and a further $10,000 AUD for the conversion to RHD, but I just love the look, big fan of the classic Muzzies.

If you want to know how much a brand spankin' new Mustang GT costs in Australia, you'd be up for $135,000 AUD or $101,450 USD. For Aussies, that punts the Mustang GT into Boxster S, Z4 M and SLK territory, so we sort of expect a bit of quality. ;)

Me, I just hope it doesn't develop too many rattles as I do a fair bit of country driving.

The 2005s are leaps and bounds ahead of the earlier Mustang models in terms of build quality. They're built at the AutoAlliance plant in Flat Rock, Michigan alongside the Mazda 6. The quality is just heaps better than the earlier models, and this comes from someone who is quite fond of the 1999 Ford Mustang GT sitting in the driveway. I'd love an 05 if I could afford one. That said, the earlier Mustangs were kind of hit and miss mainly because of quality control in the plant. We are one of the lucky ones - our Mustang is built great - no squeaks and rattles or misaligned panels. However, I know exactly what you're talking about in terms of shoddy build quality. We've rented like maybe 03 or 04 Mustang V6 models and the one had a very squeaky dashboard. Very aggrivating when you're driving long distances on a straight road during a vacation. The 05 are the first Mustangs that actually have a unique chassis floating beneath them. They didn't borrow it from another lower end car like the previous Mustangs, be it the Falcon chassis or the Fairmont Chassis (better known as the Fox platform).

You must really love the Mustangs to sell your M3 for one. Most BMW owners would scorn at hearing of that. However, I know exactly what draws you to the Mustang. Classic proportions, burbling smallblock V8, retro interior -- what's not to love? Good call.

[EdgeGamer]

Hondas are not considered desired cars that poeple would want to drive for hours around Oahu you would look pretty stupid next to a Gallardo in a Civic CRX.

As I said before... forget the Civic, I'm talking about the S2000.

BTW... wouldn't you look stupid beside a Gallardo in an RX-8, an Alpha Brera or an Audi A3 (they're all in the game)? :bulb:

[XR8]

Yeah, a few have called me stupid, especially considering the bad reputation American cars have down here for build quality. I do believe the 300C is turning that around, it is actually outselling our locally made big luxury cars and there's a six month waiting list for one.

But, I don't drive the M3 too often, I find my Z4 a much more enjoyable 'fang'. I love Mustangs and they're more affordable than Aussie muscle cars, which have experienced a huge boom; I just cannot afford the $300,000 AUD for a XY Falcon GTHO Phase III. Next best thing? A Mustang. ;)

The Saleen, irrespective of its build quality, pulled heads its way everywhere. As you can imagine, new Mustangs are very few and far between, let alone supercharged Saleen versions; 0-100 in 4.8 seconds I believe it could pull. I trounced many a ricer and had some fun, had be careful though, very easy to light up the rear bags.

[Brock78]

I talked to my roommate yesterday and he said that Acura has in fact extended NSX's for this year only. Unfortunately, they are going for like $100k for what a 300 HP engine??

[Brock78]

Sorry to say your wrong. Honda manufactured the NSX. Honda knew Americans wouldnt buy a 90k "HONDA" so they badged it as a Acura.


I wouldn't say wrong. Honda, Acura same difference..

Toyota, Lexus
Nissan, Infiniti
etc, etc

[KoenigViper]

Ok, couple things first.
1)Honda developed the NSX. 3 months after the car was released, Honda decided to bring the sports car to America under the Acura badge. We only recieved the NSX and NSX-T. The specials models like Type-S (Zero) and Type-R were not offered here.

2) In 1990, the original NSXs sold for around $55,000.

3)Brock, your roommate is wrong. 2005 was the last year. The only NSXs still around new are ones the dealers can not get rid of, and most likely have options the consumers don't want.

[XR8]

NSXs are very impressive cars:
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=F63F0E61-B8E1-4CE4-8629-B6F698D69942&p=0

[JipJopJones]

As far as I know, Acura is a Honda brand unique to America. In Japan and Australia, NSXs are badged as Hondas.

I almost bought a 2001 NSX in red with only 11,000kms. It was sold to another Queenslander for $91,000 AUD, I offered more, but the seller kept his word to the original buyer. Ended up with a Z4 3.0 instead, haven't regretted it all.

That's odd, cuz here in Vancouver Canada I have seen both Honda and Acura NSXs... I really can't tell any difference though, they're the economical super car.

[XR8]

Sounds like Canada is confused.

I'm guessing you guys have them badged as Hondas there, but some people import the Acura versions from the States.

[KoenigViper]

Isnt the Falcon the car that was in Mad Max?

They are building a sequel to the NSX and it will be a V10 with VTEC i believe, maybe more...but dont expect anytime soon. Here is a quote from Honda CEO Takeo ***ui:

"We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V10 engine in three to four years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor.”
Unforunately, the plans are not official. The next NSX has not been confirmed, and is only in a planning phase. The next-gen NSX though has dropped many of its originalitys.

While it will use a V10, it has frustrated the employees who would like a V8 so it can be used in a wider product range. The next NSX will be planned to use a front-engine, as Honda America insists that it be able to carry 2 golf-bags. Of course right now, as said, the next NSX has not been green-lighted.

XR8, can't say you bad choice, though it wouldn't have been a bad one.;)

[Brock78]

Ok, couple things first.
1)Honda developed the NSX. 3 months after the car was released, Honda decided to bring the sports car to America under the Acura badge. We only recieved the NSX and NSX-T. The specials models like Type-S (Zero) and Type-R were not offered here.

2) In 1990, the original NSXs sold for around $55,000.

3)Brock, your roommate is wrong. 2005 was the last year. The only NSXs still around new are ones the dealers can not get rid of, and most likely have options the consumers don't want.
Yes, he was wrong. Honda ceased production at the end of 2005, but are supposedly working on a successor. I haven't seen any articles dated later then this one on their site.

http://automobiles.honda.com/info/news/article.asp?ArticleID=2005071175553

[Innerg]

Hmmm wonder why Acura/Honda is putting a bigger displacement motor in the new NSX? It couldn't be because there is no replacement for displacement.. could it? :D

[mopar4life]

Like they say there is no substitute for Cubic Inches.

[evilrelic]

TDU is about top-end cars only!!! Honda civics are cheap even when they are modified

[WildKarrde]

NSX, definately, S2000... sure. Civic, most certainly not!

[schemed1]

i want a honda car in the game so i can stomp on it with my lambo or a f430

[cerebus23]

keep dreaming. :hitting-self: <-------you can do that will help you hallucinate.

i imagine part of the reason there are not more starter type cars in this game, is because soon as you can afford a corvette, mercedes, ruf, lambo, ferrari are you really gonna keep your starter car to drive around in for jollies? there might be a couple, but most i imagine will stuff that car in a garage and it rarely sees the light of day again less it to go pick on noobs in this starter cars.