SRT's.....

[Blac04]

I would like to see a few more of the SRT line in the game...like the SRT-4,SRT-8,etc. I know they have the SRT-10 but i love 4 and 6 bangers too. Plus both cars would serve well as starting cars for the game or atleast be availble to download later. ANybody else like the SRT-4's and SRT-8's?

[KoenigViper]

The SRT8s would actually be the V8s. The SRT6s I believe are in Chrysler's line-up (along with the SRT8 300C).

Either way, I would love to see some more SRT8 models to go with the 300C SRT8 in the game, preferrably, the Magnum and Charger.

[schemed1]

ok if we are talking about the neon they suck and the worst peice's of shizzel ever :down:


but if its the viper yes that is a great car i want in the game :up:

[MyDixieWrecked8]

what about the srt6 crossfires? those are some bad ass cars and as for the neons i would have to say no but the charger,magnum,300c and the crossfire as i mentioned would be nice to see:up:

[KoenigViper]

ok if we are talking about the neon they suck and the worst peice's of shizzel ever :down:


but if its the viper yes that is a great car i want in the game :up:
Yes, they're crap despite being rated as one of the fastest and best FWD cars ever.:rolleyes:

[Wanderer22]

At the end of the day, they're still just Neons. I drove one once, when I was shopping for a new car. Yeah, it's quick as hell, but it's still just a Neon. I'm an average-sized guy, and it felt cramped.

The really big, utterly pointless, spoiler and the "ramscoop" that doesn't even work are just icing on the cake.

[SVT_MAN]

KoenigViper: Who rated it as the best FWD car? They're crazy. The only people I've heard praise the Neon SRT-4s are kids. They're front wheel drive and poorly built to boot. On top of that, they're ugly - SRT-4s are even worse looking than a stock Neon. They look like a boy racer car. Wouldn't fit the image of the game at all - even if they were good looking. It'd be like having Chevy Cobalts and Ford Focuses in the game. Doesn't work.

[KoenigViper]

It was rated ONE of the best....

And it is. 230Bhp for $22,040 with a 0-60 of 5.3, a time on par with some last gen. base model Mustangs. I also find that a better deal than that new Si Civic with 197Bhp for $20,290.

You mention the Cobalt. While a good car, even the SS lacks in comparison. A 5.9 0-60, 205Bhp for $21,995.

Don't even mention a Ford Focus. Even the SVT model was lacking with a 170Bhp for $19,100 with a 7.5 0-60.

Sorry, but the SRT4 was and IS a great FWD car. A nimble Neon tuned by SRT caused the car to be faster than the Cobalt SS, Civic Si (the "ricer's" choice), and even the "great" SVT Focus.

But I did not suggest putting them in the game. And styling is a choice of opinion.

[mopar4life]

The SRT-4 Neon were good for what they were. The Caliber is OK I guess as the SRT-4. They should have the Charger SRT-8 and the Crossfire SRT-6. The Crossfire fits in with the cars in this game as far as looks go. Performance maybe not.

[WildKarrde]

The SRT8 Charger would have been a much better choice than the SRT8 300C in my opinion... but oh well. :(

And the SRT4 Neon is a very good car... sadly it's FWD, but show me something else comperable that's RWD... they don't exist. Now that you can get a used SRT4 Neon for about $12,000 in excellant condition, it's one of the best deals out there. And cant' bash on it because you don't fit in it. No offence... but that's your fault. You won't fit in a Civic Si either... which is another excellant car.

[SVT_MAN]

It was rated ONE of the best....

And it is. 230Bhp for $22,040 with a 0-60 of 5.3, a time on par with some last gen. base model Mustangs. I also find that a better deal than that new Si Civic with 197Bhp for $20,290.

You mention the Cobalt. While a good car, even the SS lacks in comparison. A 5.9 0-60, 205Bhp for $21,995.

Don't even mention a Ford Focus. Even the SVT model was lacking with a 170Bhp for $19,100 with a 7.5 0-60.

Sorry, but the SRT4 was and IS a great FWD car. A nimble Neon tuned by SRT caused the car to be faster than the Cobalt SS, Civic Si (the "ricer's" choice), and even the "great" SVT Focus.

But I did not suggest putting them in the game. And styling is a choice of opinion.

First of all, I'm not claiming that the Cobalt or Focus are better cars on a drag strip. But, they are better cars. There are a lot more to cars than 0-60 times and horsepower. Why do you think people like Lotus? Handling. The SRT-4 would win against a lot of more expensive cars in a drag race, but that doesn't make it a good car. It's not well balanced, the interior is awful, and the handling is medicore. Plus it has torque steer from what I've heard. Any car with that much power through the front wheels would.

And don't make the mistake that I'm infatuated with the SVT Focus. However, make no mistake about it - it was a lot more complete car than the SRT-4 is. It was well-appointed inside, good looking outside, had fantastic brakes, and its suspension outhandles a lot of stuff from Germany. Cars don't need a lot of power to be fun. Why do you think the Mini Cooper does so well ?

The SVT Focus is a lot more fun than the SRT-4 is simply because it has character. Even without a lot of power, it has a fun factor because it handles beautifully and it has some quirkiness to it. The SRT-4 is great if you want to be faster than other cars, but not everybody just wants to go fast. I don't street race --- I could care less.

The whole point of a small car like that is to have fun in my book. The SVT Focus, while not a car I would want, outhandles a lot of BMWs. That isn't my bias -- it beat a lot of BMWs through a slalom course conducted by Car and Driver. That is a fun car. I've been in one. It's like a very very very refined cross between a go kart and a BMW.

[KoenigViper]

You talk about the SRT4 as a poorly built car. Um, I recall the SVT Focus having a sh*t load of problems and recalls.

[SVT_MAN]

You talk about the SRT4 as a poorly built car. Um, I recall the SVT Focus having a sh*t load of problems and recalls.


There's a HUGE difference between a poorly built car and a reliable car. A car can have awesome build quality and terrible reliability (see BMW). On the flipside, a car can have awesome reliability and terrible build quality (see any Chrysler built with the inline 4 found in their minivans during the late 80s and early 90s). Chrysler minivans had horrific build quality but a lot of the 4 cylinder versions are still on the road because that engine (funny enough, I'm pretty sure it's a Mitsubishi engine .. hmm) is bulletproof and takes a lot to kill it. Most of the vans are rusted out and almost everything is broken on the interior, and the gap tolerances (unbelievably) are worse than they were from the factory, but many solider on.

As far as the Focus, first of all, the Focus has very few "problems," but it did have a bunch of recalls when it was first moved into America. Almost all of those recalls were because of the changes Ford made to the American design. A lot of changes Ford made to the American design they ended up reverting back to European design and modifying that because it worked better. There hasn't been a recall on any Focus since 2002, and the Focus now at Ford dealerships has Consumer Reports Best in Class rating for small cars. The car has also received a Consumers Digest Best Buy Rating, which takes numerous factors into consideration, including reliability and recall history.

I can personally attest to the excellent build quality, superb driving dynamics, and awesome reliability of the Ford Focus. My brother-in-law owns one that he bought in 2002 -- an 01 model. He had previously owned a Grand Am which was terrible and he never made it past the 60,000 mark. Well, his Focus has done slighty better. Despite being very hard on his cars, and waiting 6,000 to 7,000 miles to change his oil (much to the dismay of my sister), his car has soldiered one without ONE problem the entire time he has owned it. It now has 130,000 miles on it. The only non-regular maintenance done on the car was a recall right after he first bought it for a suspension part. Just to give you an idea of how rough my brother-in-law is on a car, at 125,000 he brought the car in because he thought the transmission was dying since it was shifting harsh. As it turns out, he didn't have the transmission on the car flushed ONCE in the entire lifetime of the car and the fluid was very brown and dirty. When he had it flushed, it went right back to shifting like a gem.

Like I said, SRT-4s are fast and for that I respect them, but Neons in general are rather uninspiring and poorly built. Neons are built with lousy interiors, lazy gap tolerances, and noisy cabins coupled with unrefined driving characteristics. I wouldn't be so familiar with them, but unfortunately I was stuck driving one in driver's ed one week.

[KoenigViper]

That's a little contradictory stating poorly built cars have great reliability. And I would never say a Ford Focus has great reliability while a BMW doesn't given we've had Beemers in our family since '87 and never had one of these reliability problems.

[SVT_MAN]

That's a little contradictory stating poorly built cars have great reliability. And I would never say a Ford Focus has great reliability while a BMW doesn't given we've had Beemers in our family since '87 and never had one of these reliability problems.

You obviously don't understand the difference between build quality and reliability then.

From an Edmunds.com article -- American Cars — Reliability versus Desirability:


Now come the latest findings from a Consumer Reports reliability survey, in which American cars performed better than European brands. This is the first time the domestics, as a group, have beaten the Europeans on reliability ratings in 20 years. Of course, headlines across the news media, from USA Today to CBS, were blasting the findings across their front pages. "Detroit's Big Three Make Gains," reported CBSNews.com, while USA Today said, "USA beats Europe for reliability" in its headline. Sure enough, the Ford Focus was shown to have half as many problems as the BMW 7 Series. And the Buick Regal proved to be the most reliable "family sedan" in the survey, beating out Toyota's Camry and Nissan's Maxima.


Even if your BMWs have been reliable, and more desirable than a Ford Focus, the BMW 7 series at least, still has more problems than the Ford Focus. Of course, a BMW has better engines, better driving dynamics and better build quality (think gap tolerances, materials on the interior --- not how long an engnie will run) ... but in terms of reliability, the Ford Focus beats the BMW 7 series. Let's put this in perspective. A 7 series, which starts at $71,000 some, is less reliable than the Focus, a car that starts at $13,995. Does that make the 7 series a worse car than the Focus? No, but it is less reliable and is likely to have more problems according to Consumer Reports. And, don't give me that crap that Consumer Reports is biased against European cars. For years, American cars have been killed in Consumer Reports by the Japanese and European cars.

In case you missed it, build quality is NOT the same as reliability.

And don't start whining about how I'm trashing on BMWs. I know that BMWs are desirable cars to many. I can't say I like the new Bangle designs at all -- I like some BMWs myself. Too bad they're ugly now. Very hard for me to like a car that looks hideous.


And I would never say a Ford Focus has great reliability while a BMW doesn't given we've had Beemers in our family since '87 and never had one of these reliability problems.


Of course you wouldn't want to brag that a Focus has better reliability than a BMW if you own a BMW. After all, it'd be embarassing to own a BMW, which costs a lot of money, and know that it's less reliable than a Ford. You own a BMW. It's only natural to think your car is the most reliable car on the road.

[xXShadowStrikeX]

Neons, I think, get in the most accidents overall.

[WildKarrde]

I believe it... they understeer like a rhino on ice. My Neon is in the shop right now because of an accident. It wasn't my fault... but if I had had a better handling car, I still could have avoided it. My Neon is an SXT though... the SRT-4 handles much better, especially with the ACR package.

[Wanderer22]

I think the fact that there's a bazillion of them out there skews the numbers a bit. I live in a college town.. a Neon is the perfect cheap little car for college students. Seriously, you can't drive for more than a couple minutes in this town without seeing one. Any decent-sized parking lot will have at least half a dozen. The movie theater on a big opening day will have more than thirty.

Around here, it would actually be more difficult to see an accident that didn't involve a Neon.

Think I'm kiddin', too.. I can step out of my front door and spot four of 'em.

[KoenigViper]

You obviously don't understand the difference between build quality and reliability then.

From an Edmunds.com article -- American Cars — Reliability versus Desirability:



Even if your BMWs have been reliable, and more desirable than a Ford Focus, the BMW 7 series at least, still has more problems than the Ford Focus. Of course, a BMW has better engines, better driving dynamics and better build quality (think gap tolerances, materials on the interior --- not how long an engnie will run) ... but in terms of reliability, the Ford Focus beats the BMW 7 series. Let's put this in perspective. A 7 series, which starts at $71,000 some, is less reliable than the Focus, a car that starts at $13,995. Does that make the 7 series a worse car than the Focus? No, but it is less reliable and is likely to have more problems according to Consumer Reports. And, don't give me that crap that Consumer Reports is biased against European cars. For years, American cars have been killed in Consumer Reports by the Japanese and European cars.

In case you missed it, build quality is NOT the same as reliability.

And don't start whining about how I'm trashing on BMWs. I know that BMWs are desirable cars to many. I can't say I like the new Bangle designs at all -- I like some BMWs myself. Too bad they're ugly now. Very hard for me to like a car that looks hideous.



Of course you wouldn't want to brag that a Focus has better reliability than a BMW if you own a BMW. After all, it'd be embarassing to own a BMW, which costs a lot of money, and know that it's less reliable than a Ford. You own a BMW. It's only natural to think your car is the most reliable car on the road.
It's natural because it's true for me. I don't own a 7Series, so that's probably why all our 5s, 840, and 3 Series now have had no problems I've read on Fords.

[SVT_MAN]

It's natural because it's true for me. I don't own a 7Series, so that's probably why all our 5s, 840, and 3 Series now have had no problems I've read on Fords.

I'm not going to sit here and argue about what problems your car has or hasn't had because it's futile and I simply don't have a way to prove it. All I am saying is that the Focus isnt the unreliable piece of crap you made it out to be when year after year it wins accolades based on driving dynamics for the price AND reliability ....

and

Based on my experiences with the car, it's one of the best front wheel drive small cars ever made. Ever.

By the way, somebody asked how reliable a BMW is and what maintenance costs are like:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060707153904AAxclQT

Another report:

Consumer Reports also found that European brands Volkswagen, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are slipping in quality, while Chrysler, Ford Motor and General Motors continue to improve. In the magazine's top picks for 2003, Honda Accord was the best four-cylinder family sedan, Volkswagen Passat the best six-cylinder. Chevrolet Avalanche dethroned Toyota Tundra as best pickup.

I believe it... they understeer like a rhino on ice.

LOL .. maybe so - but I've driven many FWD cars on ice and they ALL understeer, I don't care how well it handles. This is more a matter of friction than handling ability. RWD cars, on the other hand want to spin out. If you have NASCAR or dirt track handling expertise, you can probably save a RWD car. On the other hand, FWD will probably just keep going straight and crash into something. I guess it depends on what you'd rather have. FWD is always going to be better in the snow than RWD though.

[KoenigViper]

Please tell me why your source is quoted for 2003, when 3 years later, the company has already stated the quality is improving.

Only a very few of those answers are accurate. It does depend on what you have done, and no, it sure as hell ain't that expensive to maintain these cars if you can afford them, from the looks of it, the majority of 3 series doesn't lie.

You quote that Focus wins reliability awards and that, and BMW has poor quality. So please EXPLAIN WHY the new 3 Series has been called Car of the Year numerous times, while the Focus hasn't. I mean, if the reliability sucks, surely that would justify a Focus award :rolleyes: .

You talked about the 7 Series. Yes, it's the 7 Series the problems come in. NOT the 5, NOT the 3, and NOT the Ms.

BTW, Ford Focus reliability my ass. How come it set a RECORD in 2002?
http://consumeraffairs.com/news02/ford_focus.html
Notice the 2 problems for over 200,000 cars in 2000.

Last year, over 500,000 units had latch/lock recalls.
Let's see. If I tally up the 2005 recalls for BMW, I'll get about 1,320. This is between the X5, 5 series, and 6 series. 3 models compared to 1 model....

Sorry, the Focus reliability was not better than the majority of BMWs. I also recall the big Ford GT recall.

[WildKarrde]

LOL .. maybe so - but I've driven many FWD cars on ice and they ALL understeer, I don't care how well it handles. This is more a matter of friction than handling ability. RWD cars, on the other hand want to spin out. If you have NASCAR or dirt track handling expertise, you can probably save a RWD car. On the other hand, FWD will probably just keep going straight and crash into something. I guess it depends on what you'd rather have. FWD is always going to be better in the snow than RWD though.

I wasn't on ice when my Neon SXT understeered right into the idiot dump truck that pulled out in front of me. It was a clear day, bone dry roads, and about 95 degrees out... and my Dodge Stealth R/T rarely understeered, even in rain and ice. Although on ice you had to be cautious... just like with any other car. FWD is for novices... I would rather have RWD any day of the week. Sure, it's got more of a risk for wipe-out, but if you know how to drive, ti's also a lot easier to maintain control of. Once you start understeering with an FWD, your only option is to stop, and hope you stop fast enough.

Sorry, the Focus reliability was not better than the majority of BMWs. I also recall the big Ford GT recall.

Jeremy Clarkson has had nothing but problems with his Ford GT. I still think they are awesome looking cars... but dunno if I'd want one.

[SVT_MAN]

I wasn't on ice when my Neon SXT understeered right into the idiot dump truck that pulled out in front of me. It was a clear day, bone dry roads, and about 95 degrees out... and my Dodge Stealth R/T rarely understeered, even in rain and ice. Although on ice you had to be cautious... just like with any other car. FWD is for novices... I would rather have RWD any day of the week. Sure, it's got more of a risk for wipe-out, but if you know how to drive, ti's also a lot easier to maintain control of. Once you start understeering with an FWD, your only option is to stop, and hope you stop fast enough.



Jeremy Clarkson has had nothing but problems with his Ford GT. I still think they are awesome looking cars... but dunno if I'd want one.

I agree about the FWD comment. The only problem Clarkson had with his GT was with the alarm system and it was aftermarket installed. It had nothing to do with the car. Clarkson himself said this, so I'm not sure why everybody uses this as evidence that the car sucks.

KoenigViper: The Ford GT recall was on the control arms and none of the production control arms cracked, but just to ensure customer satisfaction they chrome plated and reinforced the arms to make the customers feel like they got first class service. Ask Jay Leno - he loved the service Ford gave him.


Please tell me why your source is quoted for 2003, when 3 years later, the company has already stated the quality is improving.

Not on the 7 series.

You quote that Focus wins reliability awards and that, and BMW has poor quality. So please EXPLAIN WHY the new 3 Series has been called Car of the Year numerous times, while the Focus hasn't. I mean, if the reliability sucks, surely that would justify a Focus award .


Hahahah. I'm sorry but Motor Trend Car of the Year is the biggest joke of an award ever. Also, the 3 series has NEVER won that award so I'm not sure why you brought that up. Here are just a few of the "winners" the BMW would share if it were ever a Motor Trend Car of the Year (and it's not):

1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2

Real "winners" ..

And if you mean Car and Driver's 10 Best Awards, then you are wrong because the Ford Focus has made Car and Drivers' Ten best SEVERAL years. Five times, in fact. Yes, a lot of BMWs have made the list, but not as many BMWs as Fords. From 1983 through 2006, 27 Fords made the list -- compared with 22 BMWs.

We can go on and on and on. The bottom line is that you don't like Fords, and you're upset that I am not a BMW fan boy. I'm sorry, but I won't become one -- ever. Basically this convo is going nowhere so I'll refrain from further comment.

[KoenigViper]

Um, try again. Motor Trend is not the only one whose stated the new 3 Series is a fantastic car. Hmm, let's see it even got 2005 Scottish Car of the Year, and was awarded car of the year at the NYC Auto Show.

And I already stated the main problems lie with the SEVEN series.
OH, and using your C&D source.
Focus-5 times
3 series -15 times

And BTW, never said I didn't like Fords. Don't try to be an ass and put words in my mouth. I don't care if you like BMWs or not either.

But when you say Ford's reliability is great when the BMW isn't is not true considering the Focus has a record, a bad record.

Yes, the 7 has a bad record.
Here's the bottom line. Fact remains, it isn't as bad as a Focus and the 3 Series will always be the better car than the Focus.

[SVT_MAN]

Um, try again. Motor Trend is not the only one whose stated the new 3 Series is a fantastic car. Hmm, let's see it even got 2005 Scottish Car of the Year, and was awarded car of the year at the NYC Auto Show.


This quote is laughable. You said Motor Trend isn't the only one who has stated the 3 Series is fantastic - in fact, the 3 Series has never won car of the year at Motor Trend so if you use that as your guideline, it's not fantastic.


And I already stated the main problems lie with the SEVEN series.
OH, and using your C&D source.
Focus-5 times
3 series -15 times

And BTW, never said I didn't like Fords. Don't try to be an ass and put words in my mouth. I don't care if you like BMWs or not either.

But when you say Ford's reliability is great when the BMW isn't is not true considering the Focus has a record, a bad record.

Yes, the 7 has a bad record.
Here's the bottom line. Fact remains, it isn't as bad as a Focus and the 3 Series will always be the better car than the Focus.

I'm putting words into your mouth? Try again. I never said that other magazines hadn't given the 3 series Accolades. The fact remains, until this post, you never specified where the 3 Series won accolades and I was simply saying that it had never won Car of the Year at Motor Trend, which is true. If you didn't specify where, how was I to know?

Yes, the 3 Series has been in C&D's 10 best 15 times, but the Focus hasn't even been on the road that many years. Prior to the Focus, Ford had other small cars which won C&D's 10 Best. The Focus has only been around since 1999 in America, making it only out for 7 years. The 3 series has been in America since 1977, or 29 years. Car and Driver has been doing 10 Best since 1983. Hmm, let's see: Focus won 5 out of 7 years. 3 Series won 15 out of 23 years (including only years the 10 Best was offered). Which has a better win ratio? Focus.

The Focus simply does not have a bad reliability record. Recalls have NOTHING to do with reliability. You seem to get all these terms mixed up. Recalls do not equal reliability. Reliability does not equal build quality. Build quality does not determine anything but how well put together a car is. That doesn't determine how long it will last. Does the 3 Series have decent reliabilty as of late? Yes, but the cost of ownership is still high.

To say that the 7 Series isn't as bad as the Focus (assuming you were focusing on the reliability) is just plain blind allegiance to the brand. Let me say it again, maybe you'll get it this time: Build quality, driving dynamics, engine power, brand prestige .. the list goes on .. they have nothing to do with reliability.

[KoenigViper]

You are forgetting that they do in certain cases.

If you build a car like a pos, I highly doubt the reliability will be too great either.

Recalls DO have something to do with reliability. Again, it depends. If a majority of people complain the car's are breaking down like the Toyota Prius, and a recall is made, then yes, the recall DID have something to do with the reliability. And with the Focus, the recalls did as well with build quality.

Obviously, if there are door/latch problems happening, the build quality is still terrific right despite the doors not locking like they're supposed too? Oh yes, that is great build quality when my d*mn door opens on the highway because the door's locks fail to do their job.

The I guess the build quality on the GT is terrific despite numerous reports that suspension arms were malfunctioning. Oh yes, terrific quality when I'm on the highway again, and my suspension arms crack. Yes, there were cracks. It had to have happened somewhere to get a recall later on. Jay Leno may have liked the service, doesn't mean everyone did. Clarkson didn't like the service too much either. That car alarm may have been installed aftermarket, but the continous of it going off was not caused by Clarkson.

And I already provided my proof the 7 isn't. The Focus had a RECORD of RECALLS. That is NOT a good thing. It shows the car had a number of PROBLEMS to begin with. So even if the Focus had a recall on taillights, you still consider that a good build quality despite that they kept going out? Who the hell has the kind of logic? If they kept going out and caused problems somewhere, obviously, someone at Ford screwed up and didn't build the car to a good quality.

And stop with the "fanboy" comments even if they are not directly stated. That is exactly what I expect of a child, not someone like you.

[SVT_MAN]

The I guess the build quality on the GT is terrific despite numerous reports that suspension arms were malfunctioning. Oh yes, terrific quality when I'm on the highway again, and my suspension arms crack. Yes, there were cracks. It had to have happened somewhere to get a recall later on. Jay Leno may have liked the service, doesn't mean everyone did. Clarkson didn't like the service too much either. That car alarm may have been installed aftermarket, but the continous of it going off was not caused by Clarkson.


Not even worth it. Now you're just plain lying. There were not numerous reports that the suspension arms were malfunctioning. Only 111 cars were out there when Ford discovered a problem on one of its PROTOTYPEs. If you think this is the first time it has happened on a supercar, you're wrong. Ferrari and Lamborghini have recalls too, you just never hear about them because there are hardly any people affected. But Ford? You heard about them immediately because it made a compelling news story to bash on a car company that was hurting financially.

That doesn't change the fact that you lose all your credibility when you make up stuff. In fact, not a single arm malfunctioned. Whoever told you that is lying. The problem was discovered via a mechanic working for Ford on one of their prototype cars and it showed that it had the potential, under several hundred miles of extreme loads, to exhibit a hairline fracture because of the lightweight material. You can give me all the facts that you want and I'll listen all day long, but when you start lying I stop listening. Popular Mechanics explains what was wrong with the car:

During a routine inspection of a test car, an engineer apparently discovered a crack in one of the suspension's A-arms. For the GT, Ford tried a new, semisolid aluminum casting technique. The process heats aluminum to just above the melting point, so it looks like silver butter, then injects it into a mold under high pressure. The result was a casting with the strength of a more expensive forging. But a buildup of debris in the casting process created cracks. Ford had already assembled 448 GTs when the problem was discovered. And 111 cars were already in private hands. Like mine.

As soon as I heard about the situation, we took the A-arms off my car and inspected them. They checked out just fine. But Ford sent a technician to my shop anyway with eight of the most beautiful, handmade billet A-arms I've ever seen. He had all the necessary tools and swapped them in right there.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_coll_leno/1750822.html

Good day.

Recalls DO have something to do with reliability. Again, it depends. If a majority of people complain the car's are breaking down like the Toyota Prius, and a recall is made, then yes, the recall DID have something to do with the reliability. And with the Focus, the recalls did as well with build quality.

The only time a recall is going to have something to do with reliability is if a part fails prior to the recall being made. In the case of the Ford GT, that simply isn't true and this is why it's not even worth fighting about if you're going to make up crap to prove a point.

The Focus had a RECORD of RECALLS. That is NOT a good thing.

The Focus recalls were focused on (no PUN intended) by the press because it was an American manufacturer. Have you heard about all the recalls Toyota has had (this year in particular) on their cars? What about the engine sludge problems on the Toyota Sienna and 4 cylinder Camrys? Probably not because nothing can hurt the untarnishable Toyota image. BMW has had its share of recalls too. The Focus hasn't had a recall since 2002 - we've already been over that. You can't hold stuff against a car that has happened in its past. Anyway, I'm done. This is getting pointless since you don't even bother looking things up anymore. You just make up crap for the sake of proving whatever end you want.

But, for the sake of good relations, it doesn't matter. I'm moving on because I don't want to make enemies here.

[mopar4life]

SVT stick it to em.

[KoenigViper]

So, had the Ford GT recall never been made, whose to say it wouldn't have happened? Oh, that's right. The same problem. 283 units were recorded to have bars that could have cracked. It didn't happen then, but it could of.

You also told me reliability has nothing to do with build quality. Now, the most you can tell me is exactly what I said. It does on certain conditions. Who made bullsh*t up now?

You don't hear about Lamborghini because they don't have anything near these. The '97 and '98 Diablos had recalls on structure. The Murcielago had recalls on steering columns. That's it. Those are the main issues, and only 245 were recalled...in 2002.

Oh and don't make crap about the Focus. It had 2 recalls in '04, and in '03. Both were the same problems. Exterior Lighting and door latches.

Please don't give me info on the Toyota and BMW recalls. I already talked about that.

EDIT: But as you said, I don't want to make enemies either since I'd rather not see us fighting as much over nonsense like I've seen on the UK Boards. So I do apologize for my harsh language.

[SVT_MAN]

Well, Ford isn't shy about making recalls after the Explorer fiascos. They are socially responsible, which is one good outcome of the Explorer issues.

I looked again, and the article which said that the Focus didn't have any recalls after the 02 model seems correct. I might be wrong -- but it's not a big deal.

I know you mentioned BMW recalls.

Anyway, no biggie .. just a discussion.

[Brock78]

SVT stick it to em.
You mean her. ;)

[Blac04]

Wow ladies and gents..got a little off topic there...funny though.....i just wanted to see my SRT-4 in a game against some of the best. i know its a neon.....but the boys at Mopar worked hard on a car that beat every car in its class in almost everything except interior styling. I for one will say the interior is alittle bland, but that can be fixed. I'm only 5'6" so i fit nicely in the car...love the bucket seats....and no i'm not some 16 year old punk kid who just got his license and mommy and daddy bought him a car. As far as handling and performance......please try not to think of it as a neon....cause it seems the only thing they have incommon is body styling. It seems though i am the only one that would like to see it in the game. Oh and one last thing...correct me if i'm wrong...but this game allows modifications....nowadays one can make any car handle beatter or perform better with the right mods. I love muscle cars...but i pefer sport compacts for there handling and overall fun ability. Now having that and still being able to hang with the big boys in a straight line.......priceless. 2005 was the last year for the "neon" SRT-4. Only made it 3 years...might be a collectors item one day. I just figured it would be nice to see it put in the game for other "neon" SRT-4 owners. Everybody's taste are different...thats what makes the car scene so great...diversity...wouldn't be as much fun if we were all running pretty much the same car....would it? Anyhow thanks for the posts guys..feel free to continue on the subject.

[WildKarrde]

I agree, the Neon, and the SRT-4 are totally different. I own a Neon SXT w/ Manual transmission... I've test driven a few Neon SRT-4's, and they are totally different. I don't plan on ever buying an SRT-4 in real life... but if they put then in TDU, I'd probably pick one up just for kicks, and since it'd be one of the few cars in the game I've actually driven. That, the Miata... the Mustang GT (that I really didn't like, sorry) and the RX8. I might buy the Mustang GT just because I like the way it looks... we'll see.

[Brock78]

I agree, the Neon, and the SRT-4 are totally different. I own a Neon SXT w/ Manual transmission... I've test driven a few Neon SRT-4's, and they are totally different. I don't plan on ever buying an SRT-4 in real life... but if they put then in TDU, I'd probably pick one up just for kicks, and since it'd be one of the few cars in the game I've actually driven. That, the Miata... the Mustang GT (that I really didn't like, sorry) and the RX8. I might buy the Mustang GT just because I like the way it looks... we'll see.
I'm not a fan of any of the new Mustangs. I do like the classics and the 90's 5.0's.

I agree it would be cool to drive cars in the game you have actually driven in real life. Most of us aren't lucky or rich enough to drive Lambo's, Ferrari's, etc in real life.