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dboy1373

03-15-2007, 01:15 AM

how bout these ideas i think that the earth explosions should be like b3 because they wer different and wen you add more power to a kamahamaha it should look huge they should also fix the damaging system were if you do a special beam cannon it leaves a devastating wound same with death beam and one of my coolest ideas i just thought about is an all NEW targeting SYSTEM for example if you are the character frieza or piccolo or goku ill tell you how this targeting system would work for these characters for frieza your about to use a deathh beam on an opponent it then goes into a targeting mode kinda like a crossair goes on the screen and you can target a body part with that move like if you want to slow them down you can aim it at their leg so they can hardly walk however to use this you must have max ki for goku its diferent wen using his kamehameha youll fire the beam and if your opponent dodges it youll be able to controll the move and the beam will chase after him or her but this will drain your enegy the longer you do this all these moves depend on how strong your opponent is like wen goku was super saiyan he took a death beam to the face and was still standing but if its someone like guldo or krillin they would be hurt or killed so thats the targeting system now after the battle you go to your character and you get to see wat damage they took and wer it was given like it will show x-rays and a non x-ray vision of there body this could also be used in story mode like for a saiyan the closer you come to death the stronger you become i know these are a must have in the dbz game
they should only have that for yamchas spirit ball

Mystic Gohan

03-15-2007, 01:24 AM

Here you guys go I found a good vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwY_blBtfc

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 01:34 AM

for freezas first transformation he should breat the saiyan armor an then grow bigger slowly
it shouldn't happend in like 2 seconds
also before transformation they should say something that they said in the anime
like freeza saying i'm done messing with you

That would b good, I see what your trying to say. Like in B3, why does he go into a pink egg?! And in T2, all of the transformations take about 1 or 2 seconds and all look really bad. When a saiyan is about to turn great ape, he transforms like any other character.....why?! He should start staring at the full moon and then he starts taking features of the great ape (like the mouth, teeth, fur etc.) Then he should start growing and the end result: A GREAT APE!! They just really need to go back and look at the episodes, and then change the stuff in the game to look like it! Easy!!:bulb:

Majin_Vegeta

03-15-2007, 01:39 AM

Hey all, just finished editing my profile, so check it out.
All right, more suggestions, here they are:

Something I call "unique personal action engine"
Now, what this is, is a unique set of actions only avalible to certain characters. Broly would have his intimidation stance and walk. (When he walked through Goku's Kamehameha)
These could be anything from animations, to unique throws, attacks, counters or what-not. I know that Tenkaichi has it's favorite moves for each characters, but there not quite spot one with the characters themselves.

But that's all I got for now, you guys are all a bunch of the wickedists fans I know, keep up the good conduct, peace.

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 01:43 AM

i think gohan should say kamehameha like this

kameha-meha
instead of how goku goes
ka-me-ha-me-ha
and i just noticed kamehameha has kame in it.

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 02:19 AM

They also need to put lots of Dragonball characters in it. How cool would a Kid Krillin be?! And also, you should b able to curve beams like Kamahamaha, like in the show.:D

MajinElite

03-15-2007, 02:34 AM

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 02:37 AM

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 02:47 AM

raditz was great ape in one of the flashbags and gt gotenks was never really seen

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 02:56 AM

raditz was great ape in one of the flashbags and gt gotenks was never really seen

Your right. I do think there should be GT goten and GT Trunks, but no fusion!!

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 03:09 AM

but it can be cool to see him
what if gohan didn't stop them we would have seen gt gotenks

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 03:19 AM

but it can be cool to see him
what if gohan didn't stop them we would have seen gt gotenks

very true......stupid gohan.

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 03:25 AM

well childofgod, you have to deploy to iraq to get one that cheap...ya know...where there is a war going on? the big one ya know, its on the news...and kamiccolo, um...do you have any idea how dumb you sound? telling me that raditz great ape can be done because he has a tail, then telling me that teen gotenks can't be done cuz he wasn't in the anime. hello great ape raditz wasn't in their either...he didn't WANT to transform.

Hey man. Raditz COULD transform if he wanted to. GT Goten and GT Trunks probably wouldn't have been able to. They both slacked off on their training, and you need roughly the same power levels to fuse.

And me sound dumb? You're just a newbie, so keep your titles to yourself thank you very much.

We all have an opinion, so don't bag each other for having one.

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 03:34 AM

do you mean me

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 03:36 AM

do you mean me

Nah, you're alright man, I was talking to MajinElite. According to him I'm dumb for saying that Raditz + Tail = Oozaru transformation, and that there should not be an adult Gotenks.

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 03:43 AM

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 03:45 AM

but raditz have been seen in a flash bag that he was oozaru but gotenks gt was never seen.

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 03:50 AM

Nah, you're alright man, I was talking to MajinElite. According to him I'm dumb for saying that Raditz + Tail = Oozaru transformation, and that there should not be an adult Gotenks.

i just have to ask where did trunks and gotens tails go

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 03:51 AM

I think the didn't had it
because you saw baby trunks without an tail

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 03:54 AM

how come gohan had one then

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 03:56 AM

I don't know

or they were right after there birth cut of like goku did between db and dbz

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 04:08 AM

no, it happend between king piccolo saga and piccolo jr. saga

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 04:19 AM

that is alright to but you know what I mean right

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 06:13 AM

I think that Goten and Trunks weren't born with a tail, it could just be a gene thing, because of the fact of 1/2 human 1/2 Saiyan. And I remember seeing a flashback of Raditz in Oozaru form, anyway, back to ideas.

I'd like to see Kabito on T3 so that Kabitoshin could have a cool Potara fusion. Same with Vegito. The holder of the Potara earrings has to lock on to the ally (must be compatible) and throw one earing to them, and they will both put it on and fuse.

However, with Kabito and Supreme Kai, they should just have to lock on to each other and take one earring off.

I have a picture of a menu display I would like show in this thread. How do you attach pictures?

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/D:%5CMy%20Files%5CMisc%5CFor%20Tenkaichi%203%5CStory%20mode%20select%20Frieza

Lightning

03-15-2007, 09:21 AM

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 09:40 AM

Does it automatically turn into a image? I thought you had to press the button with the two mountains, a sun and a yellow background (to the left for the quote function).

Lightning

03-15-2007, 09:52 AM

Yeah it does after you have uploaded it. Just go to the the IMG Code (used for Forums & Bulletins),
take that, & put it on the Forums!

ande5362

03-15-2007, 10:04 AM

In bt3 if there are gonna be 2v2 or something with all players on the screen, then the one you lock onto should be the one's health-bar who will be displayed.

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 10:40 AM

I think that pl and ki should be seperate because when your pl is low that you don't see that radar thing flashes were you are and you can charge pl like

L2 up: your pl goes up
L2 down: pl goes down
L2: charge ki

for example lik this

I think that Goten and Trunks weren't born with a tail, it could just be a gene thing, because of the fact of 1/2 human 1/2 Saiyan.

Goten and Trunks are both half saiyans. kamiccolo

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 01:39 PM

Well, I am working at an idea for a capsule shop. Here is how far I have come:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/SSJ5VegetaV2/CapsuleShop.jpg

Okay. My capsule shop should have a system where you chose between three things:
1. Ability Moves
2. Enhancements
3. Costume & Customization

1. Ability Moves:
As you can see above. This part will make you able to choose capsules from the different sagas. Most capsules can only be found in one exclusive saga. You will have to go through that saga in story mode to unlock these moves. The player in the picture above has jjust started at the Sayian Saga. He has not battled Vegeta yet. Therefor, as you can see. The capsule "Kaioken X3" is locked. You would have to accomplish that episode in order to unlock the capsule.

The capsules will be sorted out in a good way. Every capsule from the saga will be displayed at the list. There is no way that you can change them by first exiting and then walk inside again (as in B3). In that way, you would not have to try for half an hour just to find a single capsule. You can buy the capsule twice before it disappears. This is because that you will be able to make an ability move more powerful by equipping it twice to the character. If you sell it back to the capsule slot, it will once again appear at the display. In that way, you will be sure that you won't get the same capsule over and over again.

2. Enhancements:
Now this option got a different display than the ability move display. You will now have the option of just collecting every enhancement capsule in one category named "All Capsules". You will still have the option to switch between the sagas, but it isn't quite needed if you do not want to do it. There isn't much more to tell about this one. You simply buy enhancements like Senzu Bean, Sparking, Health +20 etc.

3. Costume & Customization:

Costume:
Now this is something that the game totally needs! An option of buying new costumes. You will start with a normal fighting gi for Goku in the story mode. But as the game goes on, Goku will have changed his gi several times during the story mode. Whenever you get a new gi, a message will pop up "You have now a new costume accessed in the capsule shop". Then you can go to this place and buy the costume for the characters.

There will be a list over characters when you get in. You can simply choose a character by pressing X at their display. Then you will be taken to a display like this:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/SSJ5VegetaV2/Costume.jpg

As you can see. Kid Goku will have several outfits. The price for outfits is rather high, but that is just to make it more fun:noob:

Customization:
Now you know how to buy a outfit or a costume. Now it is time for me to explain what I mean about customization.
You enter the Outfit & Customization place and then you will have the option to choose between Outfit (above) and Customization. Now then. Customization is a mode that lets you customize the outfit for your character. You can change the boots, the wrist-protection, weapons, scale of how much used the outfit is etc. This would add a lot of variaty into the character model.

Okay everyone. This is just a first shoot, not the final result:) So please suggest anything to make the idea better;):up:

Tru_Warrior

03-15-2007, 01:43 PM

cool

btw...i hope you all no that NO DEVELPER is gonna take the time out to flip through 60-sum pages. Some1 who wants to do this should copy and paste all BT3 ideas into a general topic for ideas only. No comments no nothing.

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 01:50 PM

Well, I would not encourage a lot of people to create their own topics though:bulb: Many people are only bringing forth small points which is good for the game. Just a few sentences instead of a detailed view of the idea. Kamiccolo and I got two different idea threads. This is an exception as we do both have long and detailed ideas which is core applications for the game:) I would just like to say this before 100 people post their own thread with 5 lines with 5 ideas in it:confused:

Mystic Gohan

03-15-2007, 02:05 PM

Buying outfits? No thanks.

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 03:26 PM

Why not? You access them already in story mode, but you would have to pay for them in order to have them in duel mode etc:)

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 03:48 PM

how about instead of unlocking people with costumes jut unlock costumes. so anyone can where basicly everything

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 04:16 PM

You mean like kid Goku wearing fusion clothes?

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 04:30 PM

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/MANYVILLIANSOFGOKU.jpg I think this should be the title screen for the main screen wen you start it up click on this photo bucket pic oh and thanks for helpin me be able to use pics but how did ssj5 vegeta do that with his pics

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 04:34 PM

You simply copy the location of the image and then you click at the icon to the loft of the Quote Tag button. Insert the link and the picture will display in your post.

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 04:43 PM

You simply copy the location of the image and then you click at the icon to the loft of the Quote Tag button. Insert the link and the picture will display in your post.
thanks you rock
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/MANYVILLIANSOFGOKU.jpg

dboy1373

03-15-2007, 05:18 PM

You mean like kid Goku wearing fusion clothes?
if people want that sure, but you have to buy a new one for every character
also their should be a create-a-character thing
you can create a character or a fusion of two characters. Also have transformations of charaters. but have it so you can add these things to current characters so you can transform from tien to 6 armed tien in battle

Magicalroshi

03-15-2007, 05:39 PM

why did they made 4/5 Vegeta's in tenkaichi 2 why can't they make one
and if you did then you select the saga were his power came from like android saga and then you go ssj and then you can choose your outfit blue or black

Kazuha Vinland

03-15-2007, 05:45 PM

Hmm.. that made me think of something. What if you could change the look of the characters. I do not mean changing them completely, but more like changing the looks after the saga you are in. Sayian Saga Vegeta looks totally differant than Buu Saga Vegeta etc.

IMO it should be like this:
Vegeta (Sayian Saga): He needs his oozaru transformation.
Vegeta: SSJ, Super Vegeta, [Majin Vegeta can be equipped through capsule] SSJ2
GT Vegeta: Base, SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ4

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 05:54 PM

these are the character fusion s in b2 these should be in the new game for Buu http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/buu_cell_2.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/buu_freeza.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/buu_vegeta.jpg

DjPaRyS07

03-15-2007, 06:15 PM

If another DBZ tenkaichi boudakai game were to come out anytime soon. I would just like the game makers to make it as close as they can to the anime in every single way! Just like what this post is all about. It sound good to me! I want to play the game as if I just watched the anime EXACTLY! Not too exactly but with the knowledge and aspect of the anime series knowing whats right from wrong and all his or her limits and capabilities! Things that I see most that come to mind are permanent destructable environments that STAY damaged during the whole fight. Like I said earlier, As close as you can get to DBZ ANIME REALISM. Im all for it!!! :) Keep it up gamers!!!

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 07:02 PM

SuperSaiyan1000

03-15-2007, 07:30 PM

[SIZE=3]I dont know about anyone else but i wasnt too impressed about how you had to choose characters you had to keep switching the bars it should look close to somethin like this just dont pay attention to the characters on it its just an example of how choosing characters should be (BIG PICTURE ABOVE INSERT HERE)

yea it'd be a bit hard to see all 100 (base) characters on a screen like that, especially if you're playing one a small screen already. i like the idea of getting rid of the bars they used in T2, but choosing characters like that would be a bit hard

and SSJ5 Vegeta's idea for customizing is really good. I like the idea of buying different costumes for a character and stuff like that. it reminds of tekken 5 in a way...

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 07:41 PM

Kamiccolo33
1. Go to Photobucket & create an account.

2. Save an Image to your Hard Drive or USB Stick.

3. After creating the Account, upload your desired Image from your saved place & give it a Name.

4. Copy the URL Code & place it onto where you post a reply & the Image will appear.

In bt3 if there are gonna be 2v2 or something with all players on the screen, then the one you lock onto should be the one's health-bar who will be displayed.

Thanks a lot. I'll do that in a minute.:):):):up:

cool

btw...i hope you all no that NO DEVELPER is gonna take the time out to flip through 60-sum pages. Some1 who wants to do this should copy and paste all BT3 ideas into a general topic for ideas only. No comments no nothing.

Then why would they make this thread?

Besides, they don't read other threads I don't think, just the OFFICIAL one. I'm sure there are employees who are payed to do this, print it all off and then possible they could read through it in a conference and say "Hey! He's got a cool idea, lets use it!" ......maybe.

Why not? You access them already in story mode, but you would have to pay for them in order to have them in duel mode etc:)

In story mode they should have fixed outfits so that it all fits in, but to get it in other modes you have to but it once you've completed the episode that allows you to do so. Good work.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/MANYVILLIANSOFGOKU.jpg I think this should be the title screen for the main screen wen you start it up click on this photo bucket pic oh and thanks for helpin me be able to use pics but how did ssj5 vegeta do that with his pics

Great looking pic. Needs a little more variety of the characters if it will be on the title screen, like Omega as a shadow in the background, or some other GT characters.

why did they made 4/5 Vegeta's in tenkaichi 2 why can't they make one
and if you did then you select the saga were his power came from like android saga and then you go ssj and then you can choose your outfit blue or black

I hated 4 or 5 Vegetas. They should just make the one with the different costumes. And with a capsule system it will allow you to equip his moves from a particular saga if you wanted.

If another DBZ tenkaichi boudakai game were to come out anytime soon. I would just like the game makers to make it as close as they can to the anime in every single way! Just like what this post is all about. It sound good to me! I want to play the game as if I just watched the anime EXACTLY! Not too exactly but with the knowledge and aspect of the anime series knowing whats right from wrong and all his or her limits and capabilities! Things that I see most that come to mind are permanent destructable environments that STAY damaged during the whole fight. Like I said earlier, As close as you can get to DBZ ANIME REALISM. Im all for it!!! :) Keep it up gamers!!!

Actually. I was thinking of that the other day, and I really think it would look awesome if the characters looked more 2D, but were still actually 3D. I'd like to see how it would look. It would either look cool or be a complete disaster. But I'd like to see it.:up:

Also, I hated how the characters were so shiny and bright. Like Super 13 and Lord Slug looked awful because of their bright colours. They need to fix up the characters to make them look more natural to the anime.

Okay. Here is an idea I had of what the Story mode should look like (Just an idea). To give a brief explanation. This is the Story Mode for Frieza.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Kamiccolo33/StorymodeselectFrieza.jpg?t=1174003399

It shows the list of episodes down the right hand side. Once you complete one, you unlock the next one, so on and so forth. Above the episode you select, it shows you the time limit you have, victory conditions and if it is a 1v1 or 2v2. (Or even 1v2 or 2v1). Above it shows all the fighters you will be facing in that battle. In this case, it is just Goku, but in the battle where Frieza versed Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin, it would have shown their faces, and possibly even a 2v2 battle.

It also shows the level you will be fighting on in "baba's crystal ball", as well as being the blurred background for the screen. The episode description is up the top. Frieza appears in the centre because it is his story mode. He is displayed in this form because that is the form he is in for this battle. In his previous fights, it would have displayed the other forms of Frieza, even for the next fights, it will show Mecha Frieza.

It shows a scouter with Frieza's current power level. The power level is just his level, but expressed in a more DBZ way. As you fight more battles, you will get stronger and your power level will increase. The little bars at the bottom of the scouter have some sort of representation of the total strength you can be. So here, Frieza is obviously still starting out. When you reach your maximum power level (maybe...1,000,000 or something), the bars will be tilting right to the other end.

You can press [] to check your sub stats that make up your powerlevel (ie. Stamina, Defence, Attack, Power, Resist, Speed, Ki), and the capsules equipped to Frieza. Transformation capsules are preset for story mode, just to stick close to it.

It also shows a percentage of how much of Frieza's story mode you have actually completed. When all episodes have been completed, you will have 100%. However, there may be some hidden story modes you can only get to by playing a second time around, or by winning with certain conditions like a perfect or finish with a certain move.

Anyway. That's that. If I'm really bored I might make some more.

Umm. How do you get the picture to display automatically as an image? It just appears as a link.

db-yamcha

03-15-2007, 08:18 PM

yea, you guys have loottts of good ideas. i never read it all, because there is so incredibly much, wow. but i think they should incorperate a dragonball story mode. with the old characters and their costumes, like Yamcha, krillin and everyone's costumes throughout the show. the character roster that was in the last game was good. i just think there should be more costumes for the main fighters of the show, and up to buy and customize, maybe something like make your own character, only 1, for each file, like mortal kombat deception, that you can alter over and over again, buy different costumes and costume attributes, such as wristbands, different attacks like all of the Z warriors in db/z have, different wild hairstyles, facial features, body builds, all that stuff. even different Japanese Kanji symbols, like king kai's, kami's, pilaf's, Yamcha's, the one given to the students of master Roshi and so on.. scarfs, belts, and be able to create your own character. or maybe be able to change the names of your attacks too, instead of kamehameha, you could make some name up to call it your own if you wish. but you win Zenie throughout the game to pay for each customizable attribute to your character. and still be able to play as the old characters and all of their costumes, which you need to buy as well. these are just some idea thrown out there. as well as some more arena's to fight in, maybe something like some of the planets on DBGT, or play on planet Vegeta, the planet that the Z warriors first fought Broly on. maybe more than one city area? maybe a volcanic arena, or a cave. instead of just the world tournament, you could have the otherworld tournament also. and do a little better on the characters' bodies, they looked a little corny in the last game, they probably could have been done a bit better. just some ideas thrown out there, sorry if I've used anyone elses, but it's not like I'm going to search through 60 pages or so of ideas.. though if i had the time it would be interesting. anyway, hope I'm of some help and people take my ideas into consideration..

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 08:54 PM

I dont know about anyone else but i wasnt too impressed about how you had to choose characters you had to keep switching the bars it should look close to somethin like this just dont pay attention to the characters on it its just an example of how choosing characters should be http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/dragonballzdbzgokugohangotenchichiv.jpg

Good idea but I wouldn't support it either. That's going back to the old DBZ Ultimate Battle 22 game for the PS1. I rather like the bars, and yeah? How would you fit 100 odd characters on the screen? Anyway, nice idea!
:):)

Degalon

03-15-2007, 08:56 PM

okay, I already said this before, but I am sick and tired of the awkward character and environment proportions. For example, the 30 story buildings can almost be jumped over, and when I finally got to the Fusion Reborn Saga on BT2, I was severely dissapointed when I got to janempa. I saw the movie first, and was all siked to get to him. Then I saw him, and thought "wow, hes small compared to the movie. kinda depressing". Not to mention Krilling and Kid Gohans proportions are way the heck off. Which is odd, since other small characters like garlic jr, trunks, and goten are just fine, but Krillin and gohans heads are almost deformed and way too big. And krillin is almost bigger than finalform freeze, I think. Not sure on that one, but you get my point.

And I said it before, and Ill say it again. With androids, if they are going to have an "automated" ki system, it should charge a bit faster.

especially for those who cannot absorb energy. Plus, I must mention my complaint about one of my fave characters. Super Android 17. Where the heck is his trademark attack, the Flash Bomber? It should be his ultimate attack, and basically just the same as the other "multibeambarrage" attacks, just 10x more shots, and more spread out, and not all at once, prolonging the length of the attack. Kind of like a more focused version of Buus genocide attack, but BIGGER and BADDER. As for it being the ultimate attack, I guess it doesnt have to be, but it better be able to at least send the enemy into a panic when they see it coming, since it needs to be extremely hard to manage to dodge even a third of the shots from the "Flash Bomber" special attack. Like i said, a cross between teh regular barrage attacks and Buus Genocide attack, just 10-20x more shots, slowerrate of fire than most barrages, and the shots need to be more spread out, like a literal shower of shots, rather than the usual "river rapids of energy" that make up other barrages.

I know I was repetetive, but I was very dissapointed that they simply gave him a generic blue energy blast. Hes supposed to be one of the most dangerous fighters in the series! The gun attack...even though it WAS in the show for a split second..I dont count. That was one of DBs infamous ".....uhhh.....okay..where did that come from, and why?!" moments.

Major villains like Super 17 need to be revamped. Super Buu is pointless unless you swap to one of his absorption modes. In his regular form, the Genocide attack is way too easy to avoid, plus it shouldve been his ultimate attack, instead of the suicide blast. Another attack that I hate is that some characterrs, like Piccolo, have the most useless charged Ki blast. Youknow, the kind thats really slow, and never manages to make it to the enemy? It cannot be used in close range most of the time either, due to rare chanced to have enough time to fire it off.

I do like how all of Friezas different forms have unique and entertaining attacks.

And one final thing. I am VERY SICK of hearing Insect Cells voice coming out of Imperfect and Perfect Cell. They have been doing that since the original Budokai! I should be hearing an arrogant richboys voice from Perfect cell, not some scratchy lizard/insect with a beak's voice!

....another final thing. If they ever make a true Janembas Hell, I dont want to see just a few candy things here and there. I want the sky littered with them, so you actually need to navigate through them and go around them when needed. Also, they should not just be "sitting there" They should take two or three good smashes crack, then break, and when hit and not breaking, they will be knocked around, clinking and knocking around others, like a giant pool table. Also, like in the show the giant jellybeans should simply absorb any and all energy attacks that happen to hit them, so they can ACTUALLY be used to hide from the enemy.

And another thing I want in that level is the infamous "cone of blood" that Goku got trapped in. If a player gets knocked into it, they move extremely slow until they get out, like being stunned normally. This would allow for a semi-environmental deathtrap, letting the other player have time to charge up and accurately fire their strongest attack. Go ahead and sit ther, telling me that being trapped in teh bloodcone, seeing you enemy setting up a spirit bomb, seeing it come at you, go ahead and TRY to tell me you would not be in a panic. Youd be lying.

I point out these things because most everyone else is just tryin to integrate things like "dragon rush" from B3 (which I personally loathed), or magnify the story mode even more, even though bt3 did an exemplary job this time, cutting little to no corners compared to other dragonball games.p
or they mention the graphics, which, in all honesty, can not really be jumped that much more, other than the designs of the energy attacks, without losing the feel of the original show.
The animations, ya, make em better. And some of the character designs feel off, such as Videls creepy crosseyed face. She scares the heck outta me. And please, PLEASE stop making parts that force me to play as utterly weak joke characters like Hercule. Speaking of the joke characters, the "they cant fly, so fall" gimmick was funny in the beginning, but then you realize how frustrating it is to use them in an actualy fight, since the game revolves around arial combat.

....one final FINAL thing. When I am not flying through the air, I want to be able to walk and run, when Im ont he ground. Im down on earth, and slowly move forward, and it makes me float. Well, then whats the point of being able to "land"? I want ground combat to feel more like GROUND combat!

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 09:17 PM

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 09:33 PM

Yep. I also agree. Degalon, your ideas on this one are 10/10.

A hate it how your are two stories tall compared to a building in the city, and that Krillin is way bigger than he is supposed to be, and he's almost bigger than Vegeta. His head is especially wacked. The buildings should be close together cluttered and a real city! No little dome houses and open areas in my opinion. They can be saved for a Ginger Town level or something.

Great Apes, Hirudigarn and Janempa especially need to be bigger.

I put an image on my post and it only comes through as a link. How do you make it come onto your post as an image?

Zellgadis

03-15-2007, 10:32 PM

Kamiccolo when you putting together more Tenkaichi 3 videos?

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 10:51 PM

Well you see i didnt mean to say to put all characters on one page you could have like diferent saga pages to choose from like cell saga and movies like bardock and lord slug and other characters like generic soldiers or for example you get ready to pick characters and a box of sagas/ movies comes up and then etc you then choose either sagas or movies then it gets more detailed like what saga or what movie once you pick your saga thats wen that screen will show up so you know wat i mean so there wont be so many characters on the screen maybe like a maximum number of characters depending on the saga i just think if theyre going to add more characters in the game they should have this in the game and it would make it easier to find characters in stead of just bars and each character would be organized in each saga its not natural to have GT Vegeta in the cell saga right? so each catagorey is neat easier to find and kinda fun in a way and wen you pick your character and choose alt costumes itll actually show wat your gonna ware in the battl kinda like b2 and one last thing the costumes got to be way different for example goku what the hell happened basically all the same they could of added vegetas armor to his costumes remember he trained in the hyper ballic time chamber with gohan thats wat they trained in and even for krillin give him piccolos out fit in the broly second coming ive made my point pretty clear I CAN HELP YOU GUYS OUT WHO NEED HELP WITH PHOTOS this is how you do it
#1 go to your photo bucket file and click on the img link it will say copy it automatically does this
#2 then you go to post reply or quote or watever your doing and paste your pic then just put in your post dont be alarmed it wil come up as a link wen you are typing your post but then wen you save your post and post it up your pic will be there hope i helped ANY QUESTIONS JUST ASK ME !!!!!!

Kamiccolo33

03-15-2007, 11:00 PM

With the character selection idea. I think it wouldn't be half bad. It would look fairly neat, and have them in 2d form, not 3d. Manga style looks better. When you press R1 or something they change costumes. And having the different sagas would be cool, but how would it work on 2 player. When you want to go to the next saga and your friend is choosing from another?

They need a really good system for making it easy to select characters, and it should show the costume changes in the menu. And really rare costumes that the fighter never really has, like Saiyan armour for Goku, Piccolo outfit for Krillin, Pink shirt for Vegeta. You should have to play through and get a perfect in a certain battle, then you can buy it, but it is really expensive, say, 20,000 zeni for a normal costume, and 60,000 zeni for a rare one.

Anyway, here is a rough idea of what I had in my mind of story mode in the form of episodes.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Kamiccolo33/StorymodeselectFrieza.jpg

YAYY!!! It worked! Thanks guys.

It shows the list of episodes down the right hand side. Once you complete one, you unlock the next one, so on and so forth. Above the episode you select, it shows you the time limit you have, victory conditions and if it is a 1v1 or 2v2. (Or even 1v2 or 2v1). Above it shows all the fighters you will be facing in that battle. In this case, it is just Goku, but in the battle where Frieza versed Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin, it would have shown their faces, and possibly even a 2v2 battle.

It also shows the level you will be fighting on in "baba's crystal ball", as well as being the blurred background for the screen. The episode description is up the top. Frieza appears in the centre because it is his story mode. He is displayed in this form because that is the form he is in for this battle. In his previous fights, it would have displayed the other forms of Frieza, even for the next fights, it will show Mecha Frieza.

It shows a scouter with Frieza's current power level. The power level is just his level, but expressed in a more DBZ way. As you fight more battles, you will get stronger and your power level will increase. The little bars at the bottom of the scouter have some sort of representation of the total strength you can be. So here, Frieza is obviously still starting out. When you reach your maximum power level (maybe...1,000,000 or something), the bars will be tilting right to the other end.

You can press [] to check your sub stats that make up your powerlevel (ie. Stamina, Defence, Attack, Power, Resist, Speed, Ki), and the capsules equipped to Frieza. Transformation capsules are preset for story mode, just to stick close to it.

It also shows a percentage of how much of Frieza's story mode you have actually completed. When all episodes have been completed, you will have 100%. However, there may be some hidden story modes you can only get to by playing a second time around, or by winning with certain conditions like a perfect or finish with a certain move.

You know what. I'm pretty bored right now, so I might make some more videos. Thanks for the help with the pics guys.

ss4 Broly`

03-15-2007, 11:37 PM

Hey no problem kamiccolo you got me on the whole 2 player character selection i dont know maybe the screen could be split in half or somethin and nice idea were did you get that thats pretty cool pic and set up is it from another game? any other help anyone needs ill be theyre to help

Majin_Vegeta

03-15-2007, 11:38 PM

Hey everyone, Majin_Vegeta here again.

Suggestion 1: Slow motion button/Dragon Cam. During combat the player would have the ability to slow down time and charged up an attack either in melee to perform a charged stun attacked that when performed camera would zoom into the action to provide a cinematic feel. Also the same would be able to be done with Special moves. Ex: Goku would be able to slow down time with Kamehameha and charge it, while camera slowed down and examined the action, the player would teleport, changing the camera angle to behind Goku after reapearing, then upon release of Kamehameha, camera would "zoom" to the face to show expression. Having this would able the next DBZ game to have the really feeling of "DBZ" because of the cameras in game ai. During fights "moments of power" would be slowed down and viewed at "Action oriented shots"

Tell me what you all think and give some other suggestions if you would like pertaining to my idea.

Suggestion 2: Real time viewing through pause menu. 360 degree still veiwing.

Thanks, take care all.

~ Majin_Vegeta

Buurcule

03-15-2007, 11:44 PM

Kamiccolo33

03-16-2007, 12:33 AM

Thanks ss4broly. I did make it myself, and I just got the pictures from all over the place. The idea and setup was my own.

Like I said, there would be a problem when you want to select with 2 player. Having split screen would just complicate things and make the whole screen cluttered I think. But I do like the initial idea.

And about slow motion, that should play a big factor. Like when you go in for the super punches to the stomach of face that make the other player split or cough up blood. With the PS3 engine I believe they can achieve all this slow-mo and camera angle stuff.

There will be another video in the making, so hold on guys.

Kazuha Vinland

03-16-2007, 02:23 AM

In story mode they should have fixed outfits so that it all fits in, but to get it in other modes you have to but it once you've completed the episode that allows you to do so. Good work.
That was exactly what I was thinking. Thanx:D

MajinElite

03-16-2007, 02:39 AM

Hey man. Raditz COULD transform if he wanted to. GT Goten and GT Trunks probably wouldn't have been able to. They both slacked off on their training, and you need roughly the same power levels to fuse.

And me sound dumb? You're just a newbie, so keep your titles to yourself thank you very much.

We all have an opinion, so don't bag each other for having one.

first off don't start by calling me a newbie, thats a word that kids use to sound important. like its great to sit at a computer all day...i said you sound dumb...yeah, one kid suggests having a teen gotenks and you say no fan fic...i agree, but we had a what if character list anyway, i mean, when did you see raditz, turles, and nappa in great ape form. you're saying that gotenks can't be made cuz they slacked off on training, and i'm saying in that case the great apes shouldn't be there cuz they weren't in the anime. besides what are you...like 17 years old?

Kazuha Vinland

03-16-2007, 02:45 AM

The oozarus were in the Bardock movie I think... or it was in the sayian saga.

Kamiccolo33

03-16-2007, 03:10 AM

besides what are you...like 17 years old?

Yes.

And you saw Raditz and Nappa and Vegeta as Oozarus in flashbacks according to some of the members here. So, technically...that puts them in the anime. GT Gotenks on the other hand...

Now, back to the topic. It's what you've all been waiting for my friends, it's Part 4 of "For Tenkaichi 3" Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt6UzjeOBUc

P.S. What do you think of the menu screen I did for Frieza. What do you think SSJ5Vegeta_ver3?

Kazuha Vinland

03-16-2007, 09:24 AM

I think it got a lot of the main points in it, but the layout simply needs to get changed:) I do not have photoshop, so I will try to draw something at paint. So no graphic critics please:p

Mystic Gohan

03-16-2007, 09:26 AM

Why not? You access them already in story mode, but you would have to pay for them in order to have them in duel mode etc:)

Yeah you got a point. We do want to make more like an RPG.:up:

Mystic Gohan

03-16-2007, 09:32 AM

What? Are we talking about the same subject here?

Kazuha Vinland

03-16-2007, 09:47 AM

Mystic Gohan

03-16-2007, 09:57 AM

Oooorrrrr.......we can leave all that up to the programmed CPU like last time. But yeah now that I think about it buying outfits wouldnt be half bad. Each character should also get jopke costumes like in other anime games. But I have to disagree with dboy's suggestion of interchangable costumes for that seems to much like fan fic to me. You can do that all you want if we get the character maker feature.

Magicalroshi

03-16-2007, 11:13 AM

I hated 4 or 5 Vegetas. They should just make the one with the different costumes. And with a capsule system it will allow you to equip his moves from a particular saga if you wanted.

But What if they put powerlevel in it how do you choose the vegeta from the saiyan saga instead of the vegeta from gt

ss4 Broly`

03-16-2007, 04:29 PM

I agree with the slow-mo feature it would be awesome Oh and look at this these are dbz t2 pics from the wii look how real they look and heres a pic of teen goku he chould be in the game and look at this ssj goku these are must needs in the game http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/gokuteen.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/goku.jpg http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/932683_20060424_screen002.jpg This is from the nintendo Wii the environments should look like this

Degalon

03-16-2007, 04:33 PM

But What if they put powerlevel in it how do you choose the vegeta from the saiyan saga instead of the vegeta from gt

Okay, Honestly, with vegeta, his move list is pretty vague. In the show, when did he ever fire a galick gun? when he first appeared? Other than Final flash, and Big bang attack, which were only used, like...twice each, what moves does vegeta really have?

I really had no problem with the different vegetas this time. When I "moved up a vegeta" I actually felt like I had progressed in "power".

On the other hand, I just flat dont like vegeta too much.

Kazuha Vinland

03-16-2007, 04:33 PM

No, it should not. It should look like in Budokai 3, only being completely destuctible. Those envoirments in T2 are sluggish and unfocused. There are more or less none objects and the entire enviorment is the same freaking color. Not good at all.

http://picnic.ciao.com/fr/179236.jpg

ss4 Broly`

03-16-2007, 04:55 PM

yeah iguess and remember wen you kick some one hard or use a kamehameha on your opponent it sent them through a cutscene and they got knocked through things like rocks and stuff this is how it should be in the new game except you get to controll it and the moves chould be a lot bigger like the spirit bomb it looks tiny in t2 it should look like the spirit bomb in the buu saga coclusion in t2 that was a huge spirit bomb in the game but it made the ingame spirit bomb look like a joke

ChildofGod

03-16-2007, 05:37 PM

Hey guys, I had something to share with you . Something that has truly been on my mind ever since i saw the Bojack movie. Where is the DB country located on Earth? I heard krillin mention in the movie that in the tournament fighters from all over the world would be competing...and he mentioned Australia and other countries. That confused me.

G.O.G

03-16-2007, 06:41 PM

every character possible, reflect super moves, what-ifs character, more stages and in-game stage change, endless combo possiblity, create-a-player, less downtime after moves, a little more gore like in the anime

Zellgadis

03-16-2007, 07:41 PM

Kamicolo....how come with your idea you want to lower everyone's powerlevel and make the maximum 1,000,000?

Why not keep it realistic to the show?

Frieza's powerlevel there should be about 5,000,000.

If you're worried about it taking too long to raise your powerlevel then remember that your powerlevel should rise more rapidly as it increases just like the show.

Kamiccolo33

03-16-2007, 07:42 PM

Nope. My mistake. I thought you quoted an other message:haha:

Oh well. The thing is that I think that you should be able to switch the outfit during the story mode. Example:

Frieza Saga:
Goku is having his normal Gi on. Then he meets Frieza and the fight starts. After the fight, the clothes Goku is wearing would be ripped up a bit and so on. So you should not only switch outfits during the story mode, but you should also switch the damage taken. When you then get to the part where Goku arrives to Earth, he will wear the Yadrat outfit. He will only wear this outfit for a short period, so that is making it quite rare. That again will make the price tag for it rather high. So you would change the outfit several times during a saga. Either through damage from fights or if the story just makes it so that you will have to change outfit;)

Yep I agree. Once you've done the required task in the story mode it should be available in Capsule Shop.

Just a note on the Yadrit Outfit. Goku should only wear it once when he's testing his power against Trunks. You should have to get a perfect in that fight and then you are able to get the Yadrit outfit.

So you see rare costumes like these are hard to get. Requiring perfects, or beaten with certain amount of time. But also, price-wise, it should be more too. Say, if a normal costume was 30,000 zeni, the Yadrit outfit would be 70,000 zeni.

But What if they put powerlevel in it how do you choose the vegeta from the saiyan saga instead of the vegeta from gt

They're not going to put exact powerlevels from the show. If they did, think about the total imbalance there would be between characters.

And what about Goku. His powerlevel changes through the anime, so does everyones, so Vegeta should be no different from them, just one character, with the different costumes.

Just saw your comment there Zellgadis. It's not an actual power level, it's just a level, like in the T2 where it ranged from 8 - 160, or whatever it was, but this time it has a more DBZ feel. Having actual powerlevels would throw everything out of balance completely.

Weaker characters should have a disadvantage over stronger characters, but once you level them up, they can be as strong as anyone else.

Gokuhan_SSJ4

03-16-2007, 08:52 PM

The game is almost perfect as is but i can see a few areas that need some work and maybe an option that will make it alot more fun for the fans

#1 you need to alow more dircet cusomisation to the charactors IE Move lists need to be edited a bit so you can have the moves you want for each transformation and give more room for the capsuls in the move list not just 7 "i think we all get the 7 thing by now"

CUSTOM CHARACTOR'S PLEASE we have all made our our own DBZ type charactors up im sure it would be cool to flesh them out so to speak i for one would LOVE that !!! transformations allowed lol

Also PLEASE LET US PLAY ONLINE!!!!! This isnt even a sugjestion it is a demand why hasn't it already been done i love the game "2" but i dotn have anyone to play with just cpu ....Weak!

But i love the game i am not bashing it i play it every day since i bought it the day it came out!!!

dbz@yahoo.com

03-16-2007, 09:19 PM

the ps3 may be 20x more powerful than the ps2 but that's because it has all that bull**** added into it. That's what makes the ps3 seem like it's the greatest of all time when in true reality, it's NOT!!!

Just because Vegeta's special moves are limited doesn't mean he is really bad. I know of people who love Vegeta as a character in DBZ and the games and they can think of better reasons as to why they like him better than you. Come on man, can't you be more self-explanatory? I'd love to hear more from a dislikable vegeta fan......that's if you have anything else to say about the PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you do "Give me energy" three times while playing with him?

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :cool: :cool: :cool: that would seem pretty weird if they had 5 people fighting all at once. You know how the screen goes split screen if you play 2 players? If you play 5 players, the game would be off the charts, but this is a really cool idea. I wonder how playing with 5 players all at once would look in dbz budokai tenkaichi 3.

adding online gameplay shouldn't be a problem at all, but as for the custom characters added into the next gen console, I DON'T agree with this AT ALL!!!!!!!! even though to most dbz fans, it looks cool.

obeida

03-17-2007, 12:07 AM

I dont know if anyone has posted this but be able to be bad or good maybe in a choice or destiny mode maybe say you were cell you can attack west city (to be able to destroy whole earth and citys) and have vegeta attack first then the z fighters attack you and if you decide to be good then cell might be involved in kid buu or even start cell back in the sayain saga plus make even goku be able to destroy the universe bad way to win.

Also none of the high speed rush ehh i hated that and the volleys can stay but allitle bit easier to dodge my character took like 5 secs to do kamehameha when the other guy doing his half a sec volley anyone reading this? Oh also the ability to train but not the gruesome 10 day training just to be able to kill radits. If anyone read this tell me if its a good idea?

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 12:14 AM

Welcome, and what? I understood the first part but the second part has escaped me.

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 12:30 AM

Yes.

And you saw Raditz and Nappa and Vegeta as Oozarus in flashbacks according to some of the members here. So, technically...that puts them in the anime. GT Gotenks on the other hand...

Now, back to the topic. It's what you've all been waiting for my friends, it's Part 4 of "For Tenkaichi 3" Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt6UzjeOBUc

P.S. What do you think of the menu screen I did for Frieza. What do you think SSJ5Vegeta_ver3?

actually thats a "no" there never was a flash back of them in great ape form...and grow up. the only saiyans ever seen in great ape were, bardock, and his group, vegeta, and kid goku.

obeida

03-17-2007, 12:33 AM

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 12:37 AM

well i was just saying no more of that rush thing like kid buus mystical combination, when i was facing my bro he would use that move from like end of the screen and just twist around me and just keep reapeting that same move over and over...

Thats not likely to happen seeing how half the finishers are rush moves. Just counter it with SSJ3 Goku's energy feild, it wont be as annoying anymore.:up:

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 12:37 AM

well i was just saying no more of that rush thing like kid buus mystical combination, when i was facing my bro he would use that move from like end of the screen and just twist around me and just keep reapeting that same move over and over...

if you dash towards him it'll stop it. or you could use a damage field. or even a power block...hold block then hold the energy button with it.

obeida

03-17-2007, 12:40 AM

thx for the advice the finishers im ok with but not the normal ones and its kinda hard to press the buttons that fast when the person is like 2 feet away from you ...

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 12:49 AM

thx for the advice the finishers im ok with but not the normal ones and its kinda hard to press the buttons that fast when the person is like 2 feet away from you ...

if i know their gonna do it, i just keep tapping L2 and X so that i can at least try to stop them...but yeah, i agree sometimes its a pain. like with videl in the dragon arena mode. but practice and you'll do alright.

Ultimate X Fire

03-17-2007, 12:50 AM

t3 shouldhavewhatiffusion

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 12:57 AM

i don't know...i do like the idea of some what-if fusions, you're not saying every character should have one? cuz some kid already suggested that and it got shot down by alot of us. but i liked tiencha, and gokule. those were pretty funny.

obeida

03-17-2007, 01:12 AM

^^ooook

anyways one other thing the story mode too be reallllly long to me a game is as good as garbage when the story mode is over for most games...

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 01:43 AM

^^ooook

anyways one other thing the story mode too be reallllly long to me a game is as good as garbage when the story mode is over for most games...

i agree, i suggested starting the story mode from dragonball then working all the way through DBZ then into DBGT. also, about multi player, maybe you should be able to get a cable so that you and the second player can use two different screens...for versus and cooperative. the battles should be simultaneous(prolly spelt wrong). when the z-fighters fought the cell jrs it wasn't one after the other, it was all out. they should put in the ability to fight more the one at a time. then add a cooperative play for the story mode...using two tv sets to do it. that would be really cool.

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 01:53 AM

Yep.

Lightning

03-17-2007, 01:53 AM

Weaker characters should have a disadvantage over stronger characters, but
once you level them up, they can be as strong as anyone else.

That I can wholly say I agree on!

i agree, i suggested starting the story mode from dragonball then working all the
way through DBZ then into DBGT.

Most definitely, like MG said on Page 5!

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 01:58 AM

just added some to my last post...don't know why i did it that way...

Kamiccolo33

03-17-2007, 02:12 AM

actually thats a "no" there never was a flash back of them in great ape form...and grow up. the only saiyans ever seen in great ape were, bardock, and his group, vegeta, and kid goku.

Well...I can't excel my growth rate. And just because I'm 17, doesn't make me any more "dumb" then anybody else. Age doesn't matter when it comes to ideas. And people have said there have been flashbacks of Raditz in great ape. But, if you want to keep dragging this on, you can fight it out with yourself.

Anyway. I think story mode will be really long if instead of going through the whole series in chronological order, each character should have their own story mode, so that there is a lot of story to it. Most characters won't have the full story from DB to GT, and some from the movies will only have 3 or 4, so it's not like playing the whole thing 100 times for every character. But it would be more fun this way because you fight with other characters, learn to use them, learn abilities as you go through their story, and unlock costumes as well. And maybe when you complete 100% of everybody's story mode you can buy a super rare item from the shop, or get a Master Membership card. What about that huh?

And online mode would be cool. You could verse guys over the net. And accessing the PS3 internet is free I think, so people will be insane not to play it. You and a friend could be in your room, versing another 2 friends somewhere else in the world. And you as a user should have a power level, or experience level so you can keep training to be the strongest.

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 02:25 AM

Kamiccolo did you make those vids?

Deatox

03-17-2007, 02:41 AM

what id like to see in bt3 is a better custom character system. building the characters experience like in budokai 3, i like the set moves for each character like the bt2. but what iv been waiting for is custom cloting, not heaps of sets on costumes but custom (meaning anything on anyone). through the sagas we so the z fighters change there styles, id like to see all these costumes available for any of the characters to wear. maybe not for all characters, but for the z fighters, especially the saiyans, cos seeing someone like cell with clothes on would be wierd, and let face it people only use the saiyans when they play, so give them a bit more variety. some examples of costumes are: saiyan armour (all styles), namekian battle cothes (including weighted and without weights), gokus atire (training clothes, yardrat atire), trunk's capsule corp clothes, the black tights and white gloves and boots gohan wore when fighting Dabura, and even just mix and match tops and bottoms wouls be awesome, also no tops. thats what id like to see most in bt3.

id also like the see king vegeta added to the roster of characters, thanks.

Kamiccolo33

03-17-2007, 03:09 AM

Kamiccolo did you make those vids?

Yeah. I did:D. What do you think?

VBG

03-17-2007, 03:29 AM

I agree with obeida, they made the blast volleys too powerful and too fast. I can beat anyone just using blast volley again and again if I am losing...

Kazuha Vinland

03-17-2007, 03:37 AM

actually thats a "no" there never was a flash back of them in great ape form...and grow up. the only saiyans ever seen in great ape were, bardock, and his group, vegeta, and kid goku.

Okay Kamiccolo. I can handle this one for you. In the book Dragonball #17 Raditz states that Goku could have killed the population even easier since the planet got a moon. Goku did not know what he was talking about, but then we saw a picture of an oozaru as Raditz explained that the oozaru form were the true face of all sayians. Raditz has obviously transformed into an oozaru in the past. Maybe we haven't seen it in that clip, but there is absolutely nothing that denies the fact that all full blooded sayians are able to transform. There you go...

Kamiccolo33

03-17-2007, 05:15 AM

Okay Kamiccolo. I can handle this one for you. In the book Dragonball #17 Raditz states that Goku could have killed the population even easier since the planet got a moon. Goku did not know what he was talking about, but then we saw a picture of an oozaru as Raditz explained that the oozaru form were the true face of all sayians. Raditz has obviously transformed into an oozaru in the past. Maybe we haven't seen it in that clip, but there is absolutely nothing that denies the fact that all full blooded sayians are able to transform. There you go...

Thanks for backing me up. This guy just won't let it go.

If anybody has B3 and now T2, do you guys notice that Omega Shenron has gotten a little worse.

His Whirlwind Spin is gone. I don't know if it was a made up move for Budokai 3, but it was awesome. Dragon Thunder could have been kept the same as B3 as well. They were some new inventive moves and were quite good. I'd like to see him retain those moves on the next Tenkaichi. As well as when he makes the Minus Power Energy Ball, the beams of light shoot out of his chest and you can charge up the ball and then shoot it.

But Minus Power Energy Ball is alright since it's pretty fast and undodgable. But charging it up would be nice.

Eternal-Dragon

03-17-2007, 09:44 AM

I would love to have an rpg like story mode, that you start when Goku first meets Bulma and ends when he leaves with Shenron. I think the characters should level up on their own and gain experience, and they learn moves overtime, instead of having them all at once. I think they should make more characters in the cutscenes. For instance, Bulma was an important character, but she was never seen in BT2. Have more speaking time as well as more battles that happened in the show. Put battles in against the lesser characters like Manwolf, etc. But don't make them unlockable characters. because no one would use them anyway. In other words just make the game exactly like the anime, but you play it.

There should also be more unlockable characters, alternative outfits, and areas like the Tree of Might, or Janemba's World. And I created my own new character list and I got about 160 characters all together with tranformations and fusions. So that be nice with that many. Also, with that many characters, I don't think it would be necessary for a custom character, I just don't think it would be a great idea.

ss4 Broly`

03-17-2007, 12:39 PM

Thats true kamiccolo his moves wer taken out of t2 and if you pay attention to nappa and omega they have that same move is it burn crush or volcano explosion i dont know but i think it would have been cool to have his real move list along with the other dragons especially nova shenron and the ice guy his brother and these gt saiyans should be in the game heres a pic http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/dragonballzdbzgtsaiyans2.jpg

Majin Trunks

03-17-2007, 12:47 PM

Umm...If I am right: SSj GT Gohan,Vegeta,Goten,Trunks and SSj4 Goku?

ss4 Broly`

03-17-2007, 01:04 PM

Well just leave out ssj4 goku because hes already in the game but the gt characters got to be in this game like the rest of the saiyan guys in the pic oh and if you think i mean just there super saiyan forms than no there base forms to im not that dumb to leave out the base forms

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 03:05 PM

Yeah. I did:D. What do you think?

You have skills dude, just by watching your vids I get new ideas.:up: Keep up the good work.

ss4 Broly`

03-17-2007, 03:48 PM

Yeah i just got done watching your last vid its great it would be awesome to do that in the new game you also gave me an idea on tag team if the battles wer at the same time like having a 2on1 but all of the guys are on the battle field at the same time you could have team moves like one guy grabs the opponent from behind and the other punch him in the stomach and there could be a way for the opponent to dodge like wat bardock did wen the guy punched his own partner in the back you could also do that double team move that goku and vegeta did inside of buu it was like a galic gun kamehameha

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 04:20 PM

Hey guys well just got back from Playstation forums where I'm spearheading the BT3 thread movement there and this is a suggestion from a member there

Hi i think that if bt3 is going to be successful it will need a much longer story mode and much more "what if" sagas instead of just the 3 on bt2 however the raditz and zarbon "what if" sagas were exellant but the Majin Buu 1 just sucked. Here is a list of many possible "what if" sagas:
Raditz survived Picollo's special beam cannon.
Vegeta is killed on planet earth by Goku (when he comes with Nappa).
Bardock escapes planet Vegeta and comes to earth for Goku.
Recoome kills Vegeta, Krillin and Gohan before Goku arrives on Namek.
Vegeta turns super saiyan before Goku .
Goku is killed by Frieza's death beam resulting in Gohan becoming the 1st super saiyan.
Goku is killed on Namek ( which he should have been- that was suppose to be the end of dragonball z).
Cell absorbs Krillin instead of andriod #18.
Cell is destroyed by ultra super Trunks.
Majin Buu doesnt get resurrected, resulting in Majin Vegeta to become the main villian, once again.
Goku and Gohan fuse, creating Gokhan.
Buu absorbs Goku instead of Gohan forcing the fusion between Gohan and Vegeta, Vegetan.
After the death of Kid Buu, Goku hits his head and becomes Kakarot again and he faces the Z fighters (either with or against vegeta).
They should start the story mode from Dragonball not Dragonballz. Also the should learn moves as the game pogresses because it is stupid being able to se Gokus Spirit Bomb on Raditz before he has even been to the other dimension and trained with King Kai. Power level should be a major factor on this game, this is because if on bt2 you face Hercule with Buu, Buu's strongest attack (not custom) won't kill Hercule despite the fact Hercule would be totally obliterated by the blast as 1 punch should KO him on bt3. Also you should be able to increase your power level by using a certain control causing the character to scream.

There should be more than just 2 characters in a battle during a tag match, like when Tien, Piccollo, Krillin and Gohan face Nappa. This will bring a whole new aspect to the game however Nappa would have to be extremely strong and the Z fighters extremely weak and during this battle you should be able to command the COM to either defend, attack ect... Also NO boundaries in an arena you should be able to fight on the whole of the planet you are on.

Another good improvement the should have is to be able to follow a character to their end (if Frieza, Cell, ect) or until they finish fighting (Goku, Gohan, ect) without playing as any other characters. The leveling up system needs to be fixed as you start at level 1 and grow 1 level at a time but when you grow a level you can put exp points on a chosen attribute ( attack, defence, blast 1, ect).

Finally i think they should have much more characters, "what if " characters like Majin Goku or tiemcha and the ability to make a custom characters and have him fight in the story sags, whether he be Namekian, Saiyan, Human, ect.

by Roku hi bob22 a.k.a mitch

ss4 Broly`

03-17-2007, 05:44 PM

cool except the facte that most people here hate what ifs and create a character

Magicalroshi

03-17-2007, 06:51 PM

They're not going to put exact powerlevels from the show. If they did, think about the total imbalance there would be between characters.

And what about Goku. His powerlevel changes through the anime, so does everyones, so Vegeta should be no different from them, just one character, with the different costumes.

Just saw your comment there Zellgadis. It's not an actual power level, it's just a level, like in the T2 where it ranged from 8 - 160, or whatever it was, but this time it has a more DBZ feel. Having actual powerlevels would throw everything out of balance completely.

One little thing in T2 when saibamen against vegeta you felt the differrence
but when both costume it depended on the skills of the player himself.

when you do pl you can have a great differrence when you choose normal
but when you trained them, then you can take away the difference

Deatox

03-17-2007, 08:10 PM

id like to see a lot more RPG elements in this game. My favourite games are the grand theft auto games and something like that combined with the Dragonball story would be amazing!!! so just give Rockstar games a call or something lol :) i repeat "AMAZING"!!! and story mode right through dragonball, DBZ, and GT cos im hearing a lot of requests to make it longer. also id like to see Jr goku and Jr Vegeta, the 2 u see fighting at the world martial arts tournament at the end of GT when u see old Pan. i can also see a lot of 'what if' stories involving those 2, heck just make a new series starting fresh with those 2, not a game but new animae series, just a suggestion :) thanks

Deathreborn

03-17-2007, 08:16 PM

in tenkaichi 3 there should be a koiken goku and a normal the koiken goku can only go koiken but he can go from koiken x2 to koiken x30 or x50 and the normal goku has the super sayjin stuff ?

Deatox

03-17-2007, 08:17 PM

the androids should have a constantly full power up bar, in the show they had unlimited energy, they never had to recharge thats what made then such a threat in the show but in the game its what makes them even worse than every 1 else having to recharge at such a slow rate. thanks

in tenkaichi 3 there should be a koiken goku and a normal the koiken goku can only go koiken but he can go from koiken x2 to koiken x30 or x50 and the normal goku has the super sayjin stuff ?

i like the kaoken goku idea and totally second that!

Don't double post, next time use the edit button, thanks! ~ Marby

MajinElite

03-17-2007, 08:24 PM

Mystic Gohan

03-17-2007, 08:42 PM

i like the kaoken goku idea and totally second that!

I wouldnt mind a Kaioken times 3. In the anime he has steam coming from his body like Gear Second Luffy they should add that.

Zellgadis

03-17-2007, 11:36 PM

the androids should have a constantly full power up bar, in the show they had unlimited energy, they never had to recharge thats what made then such a threat in the show but in the game its what makes them even worse than every 1 else having to recharge at such a slow rate. thanks

That might be realistic to the show but in terms of gameplay it would be cheap, them being able to fire off B2's and UB's one after another. I like how they are now. Personally I prefer them more than anyone else because they're energy recharges automatically, so I don't have think about it. I use mostly melee combat so I always have full energy. The androids are my favorite characters.

ChildofGod

03-18-2007, 12:57 AM

Guys, if you really wanna confirm your arguments, and if you have the need to see any of the episodes for reference, you should go to some of the websites that have them for free (including movies). This is one of the ones I use.

Do not link to sites where you can download DBZ footage, it's illegal, thanks! ~ Marby

Just select what version you want to use. Its one of those vote and download all you want type sites. The quality of the episodes are pretty good and the download times are quick. Hope this helps

I have always wondered the possibilities of having a DBZ World that was similar to our own. Of course you still had all the features in the DBZ world that were used to....like Master Roshi's Island or Earth's Tower. What do you guys think?

ss4 Broly`

03-18-2007, 01:21 AM

I wouldnt mind a Kaioken times 3. In the anime he has steam coming from his body like Gear Second Luffy they should add that. yeah but remember the one from lord slug that was like a super saiyan with kaoken

ChildofGod

03-18-2007, 01:49 AM

yeah but remember the one from lord slug that was like a super saiyan with kaoken

Their was an actual super saiyin with kaioken. He used it against pikkon.

Lightning

03-18-2007, 01:55 AM

These are some great Ideas!

Kamiccolo33

03-18-2007, 02:43 AM

Having 2 goku's, one with kaiokens and one with SSJs wouldn't be right. There should just be one, and you should be able to equip different levels of kaioken as you go through the game. You start with x2, x3, x4, x10. However, Kaioken should just give you a burst of stats and you charge at your opponent and you can pinball them around. It shouldn't be an attack.

Then in Super Saiyan or any bigger transformations, it turns to Super Kaioken. That would be much better in my opinion.

And Androids having full energy would be realistic, but yeah, you can't have that in a game. They'd be unstoppable. Maybe if energy went like this.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////

This is your energy bar. It consists of 2 bars. The yellow one on top, and the red one on bottom.

When you use ki energy, the yellow bar goes down.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////

Then when you spend all your yellow bar, is starts eating at your red bar underneath, lets call this the MAX Ki.

You can power up your yellow bar at all times, but it can never power up over your MAX Ki. So if you spend some of your MAX Ki underneath...

///////////////////////

...then that's the MAX you can power up to.

The MAX Ki will recharge over time on its own.

Then basically, once you spend all your MAX Ki, it starts eating at your health until you obviously die.

Using a whole tonne of Ki attacks in one go will fatigue your fighter, so you have to watch out.

With Androids, their MAX Ki could never run out and start hurting their health. Their MAX Ki could go to a minimum of 25% or something like that.

This method will allow the realistic use of energy like on the anime, where you have to manage it wisely, but you can use it all if you want to finish an opponent off.

There might be some flaws in this, I know, so it will need to be refined some more.

obeida

03-18-2007, 02:54 AM

all im looking forward for is total destrutive battle grounds like if you grab or kick your enemy hell go deep in the earth dont know how that ganna work but it would be nice also to have city with cars and such and then destroy them.

Kazuha Vinland

03-18-2007, 05:48 AM

I am afraid that I do not agree with you this time Kamiccolo. Ki shall simply not affect your life bar. It is the power used to fire off KI based attacks and that is pretty much it. For the androids, well. My problem with them in T2 was that the KI recovered very slowly. Just put up the speed somewhat and problem solved:)

I would rather keep the KI bar system like in Budokai 3. In my opinion, that system were far better than the Tenkaichi 2 system. Here is the reasons:
- You could control your ki a lot better. This is a result of the splitted bars.
- The finishing moves took different amount of KI.
- Teleports became easier to control.
- You did not have to go into max mode.

There are just a few adjustments I would like to make. There were rarely any moves that took above 2 ki bars. I would them to split it up even more, so that you would actually have to use up till 4 ki bars in order to release the strongest moves in the game. There should also be a mode called "Burst mode" in this mode, your characters stats will raise and you will also get new combos for the character. Special moves can now be performed like super uppercut, tripple rotating spinjumpkick etc. This mode is not required to do any ultimates, but it will make them stronger. Burst mode does however consume ki pretty fast, so you got to attack quickly. After you have done it, you will have to wait 15 seconds before you can do it again.

Oh well, onto the finishing moves. Here is what I think should be the standards:

1 Ki bar: Normal finishing moves, often performed in base mode. Does from 4000 to 6000 damage. Only weak beams and balls.

2 Ki bar: Ki Volley finishing moves, often performed in either base or 1st transformation mode. This is more difficult to dodge, and it therefor also takes about 4000 to 6000 damage.

3 Ki bar: Heavier Ki volley finishing moves, super explosive wave, strong beams like charged Masenko, strong ball attacks like Full Power Ball attack or Big bang Attack and also extreme combo triggers (like in B1 with the Dragon Fist where Goku just keep punching the heck out of the opponent). Those moves will often be chargeable, and most used by 1st and 2nd transformation stages. It will take about 7000 to 9000 damage.

4 Ki bar: Now this is for the most powerful moves in the game. Not all characters will have these moves at all. These goes for Final Flash, Kamehameha X10, Final Shine, Ultra Kamehameha (SSJ3 Goku) etc. These moves will take from 10 000 to 13 000 damage.

5 Ki bar: Ultimates only. No matter how strong the ultimates are. This will take everything above 15 000 damage (except for weakest characters like Hercule and Master Roshi). The strongest ultimates delivering over 25 000 damage will however not go into this category.

7 Ki bar: Strongest Ultimates only. Very few of those, but there are some like; Spirit Bomb, Final Explosion, Big Bang Kamehameha X100 and so on. Those will take 25 000+ damage.

Note: In Budokai 3 you were actually able to remember the difference in damage when you did a combo. I think the reason for that is that the moves took a lot less damage at the scale. UB moves did not take 25 000, they took 2 500. I would like to get that system back, so the set-up above was just to not make any confusion. You simply takes away one "0" at the end of the move;)

obeida

03-18-2007, 11:55 AM

^^ Very good ssj 5 vegeta i realy like the system but one bar to do a move ...
that is ganna be alot of spamming even if it does 6000 continually your going to die also the budokai system i think was worse isnt it funner to see like 25000
to 500 look at the difference

500-25000 much more like your destroying your opponent than a 50 damage attack. Other than that excellent chart.

Kazuha Vinland

03-18-2007, 12:08 PM

Well, you got to remember that it will take more time to charge up 1 bar in T3 than charging 1 bar in T2. I think that 1 bar equals about 2 T2 ki bars. By having 2500 instead of 25 000 you will be able to much more easy control your combos and find out which ones are the best. In T2 you do basically not care about the number since it is that high anyway. I do not think that it will reduce the "destroying your opponent" feeling as the opponent still lose just as much life at the health bar. Just with some easier to read off numbers :)

dboy1373

03-18-2007, 02:47 PM

for create a character they should have you choose how damaged your outfit should be. Like if you want to create a ss3 gohan i wouldn't want him in a perfect outfit
thats not hwo it happend in the show
and also i would want dragonball in story mode
i can't beleive they would have gt before db in the games
i want do go thru the all 3 series

Mystic Gohan

03-18-2007, 03:02 PM

yeah but remember the one from lord slug that was like a super saiyan with kaoken

Nope. That was Pseudo Super Saya-jin. No Kaioken invovled in that one.

Kazuha Vinland

03-18-2007, 03:31 PM

It is called Quasi-Super Saiyan....

http://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/saiyan/images/quasi_1.jpghttp://www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/saiyan/images/quasi_2.jpg

Mystic Gohan

03-18-2007, 03:34 PM

Cant see the pic.:bored:

Kazuha Vinland

03-18-2007, 03:37 PM

Huh? I can see it perfectly well :S

Lightning

03-18-2007, 03:43 PM

Try loading them again. I too can not see them!

Herby3000

03-18-2007, 05:35 PM

I would like to see a more of a MMOG or what not or part of the game to be MMO. There would have to be max lvls but with items you can get an edge. To get stronger and what not you would have to train to raise your power level, strg, ki, attacks, defence, exc. You could learn new attacks so at first you would only have a few. Training could be many things such as killing things, lifting, sparring, punching a punching bag and so on. Also Missions could be made and also have the story mode to go with it. You get awarded with zeni and stats or experience. You could also do these missions with other players online.

The fighting and stuff is great how it is on BT3 but i think there should be a few more ways to dodge and block attacks. Make worlds to explore and other planets. You can beable to fly around and run in the world and have spaceships to take you to other planets like in the show. Make it so more then one character can fight in a battle so like 1vs2 or 2 vs 2 are fighting all at the same time. Which would go along with the co-op and just fighting with your buddies against others.

Make it so you can make a custom charecter so you can look how you want to and not just charecters from the show. You can also equip clothing and things so you also have an outfit you like. Weapons would be another thing to add if you really would want one.

I would really like to see co-op missions and stuff though. What ever console it is for if it is the playstation version or the Wii have it so you can save any character and load them. So if a friend comes over and you play it together they can save there character and play it later.

This could get very detailed but at the moment I dont have the time but will work on it if anyone likes the idea. Ive always wanted a online DBZ game. Ive played on many RPGs which really isnt much fun since theres no graphics. Ive also played on byond which there are several Online DBZ games but cant get really detailed sinceit is only a 2D game and not enough there to make it awsome. You could take many ideas from them and other online games to make this work. The possibilities could be limitless. I think many people would play it and looking at how many people play those RPGs and those little 2D games you can make on byond. Atari should really make one of these DBZ games MMOG.

I also know probly everyhing is all over on this post but i realy didnt plan it all out before i started i just taught of things and put it down. If anyone would like a better post i can work on one and more detailed.

Mystic Gohan

03-18-2007, 05:37 PM

Welcome. Most of that was already said.

Herby3000

03-18-2007, 05:47 PM

lol good. I didnt read all 70 some pages lol so i didnt know that. But MMOG would be awsome to have.

Mystic Gohan

03-18-2007, 05:48 PM

Hold on let me show you something.

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574900

Click on the link

Just got an idea,

We need to be able to have an option to remove the HUD, pause a game and make it into a wall paper for our PS3, have accurate character avatars in the char. select screen, and fix the nose of the kids in the game. The kids dont have noses like the adults but rather inverted "c" shaped noses

http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/images/animation/blue_velvet/29.jpg

This is kid Goku's nose

http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/images/animation/blue_velvet/25.jpg

And this is adult Goku's nose

See the difference we need to be nit picking people.

XTREEMMAK

03-18-2007, 08:49 PM

After seeing allot of these DBZ games roll by, I decided to paint two pictures of what I think would make the perfect DBZ games for me.

1. Dragon Ball Z World
Features:
*Freeform moving and fighting like the Tenchaichi series only without world limit boundaries.
*Budokai 3 + Tenchaichi 2 style fighting engine still cell shaded.
*Open world terrain generation, exploration, and destruction. The terrain would be generated based on a map from Atari of the world and as you fly, the terrain is developed, similar to GTA or Oblivion. When big attacks like a Final Flash or Spirt Bombs are performed, if you're in a big city area, it totally obliterates that section of the city not the entire city. If you do it at the same spot, the hole gets bigger, kind of like what Tien did to Cell. Same goes for country areas except lush country areas turn into deserts.
*Terrain incremental destruction and crumple (kind of like the terrain from Worms 3D and Full Auto put together)
*Quest Missions and side quest missions.
*The ability to explore almost every part of the world (similar to Elders Scroll Oblivion)
including buildings, caves, and cities.
*Everybody is in it
*Voice Acting
*Side animation cut scenes
*Some but not excessive What if content (Napa as a Super Sayajin lol)
(*Mature Content: The ability to rip off libs when the health level of the competitor gets very low)
*The story would be as or almost as intuitive as the show. Every cut scene and event is present and you have the ability to reenact them (Hiding from Vegeta to protect the Dragon Ball, getting Raditz in the line of fire (wow original right? lol), ect, or distort them for fun (like being Zarbon and pissing off Freeza or something lol).

Platforms:
PS3 and XBOX360 (if possible... lol)

2. Dragon Ball Evolution
Story backbone (not full. If you want to pitch in and help then go ahead lol):
Years have passed since the GT series and the heroes of earth have died. However the blood of these great fighters still run strong amongst their decedents. Goku, son of Pan (I think that's how it went...or was it Grandma Pan? W.E.) sets out for the Dragon Balls (for what ever reason...mabe some great evil is afoot and about to resorect this ancient evil from the past, not from the DBZ erra though). However, Goku is warned that others will also be looking for the Dragon Balls. That person is you. As a member of the DB world, you have the ability to hunt down the Dragon Balls and decide as you go where you'd like to stand. As a person who wants the Dragon Balls to fight against the oncoming evil, join the evil and fight off the do gooders (Goku and a new Z fighters team (not all characters look exactly like the old ones), or use the dragon balls for yourself.

Features:
*Alot of the same aspects above
*The ability to create your own Z fighter
*Create there attacks
*Through Atari's online server, bring your character online and play the story or just battle each other.
*With online transfer similar to what they did for THUGS (Tony Hawks Under Ground), be able to transfer voice samples to your sytem (or just through the XBox Headset) to sample with your attacks or use prebuilt samples.

That took some time. But wanted to share. Was fun. Let me know if you like it.

ssj majuub

03-18-2007, 11:41 PM

the passage and its ideas were flawless but wat if you could create your own character? if u could generate the body, hair, race, attributes, moves, powerups, you know, the usual stuff. wat if u could clone a character just to make him/her look better? what if u could fuse certain characters with others to make a new one? and if u were to create a character, would u be able to edit his body along with the forms he can transform into?

wat do u think?

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/images/icons/addonicons/icon26.gif

Kamiccolo33

03-19-2007, 01:26 AM

The noses...I don't know if it's that important, or if it's on their "to-do" list, but I see your point.

In past Budokais, Teen Gohan looked like an elf with the pointy nose.

MysticBroly

03-19-2007, 02:42 AM

hmm ok some of better ideas i think should be included are:

---Multiplayer battles. This would be the absolute number 1 addition to the game. I mean come on 1 vs 3 2 vs 1 etc.. four of your mates all playing at once = awesome. Of course it would have to be double split screens but i got a 60 inch plasma widescreen so thats ok :))

---Create Mode. Whether creating a fighter, an attack, attire, 'what if' transformations or alternate forms, etc. etc. this would be an awesome feature it would fullfill every DBZ fans creative needs.

---Online Play.. too be honest i really wouldn't be too bothered if this didnt make an appearance as i prefer sittin around and picking apart my friends but a lot of people don't have the luxury of friends that are actually worthy of a challenge or that prefer a good DBZ game over another.

---The Perfect Balance between Character Superiority and Characters having a fighting chance. What this means is that while Super Saiyan 3 Goku has an obvious advantage over someone like Super Saiyan Vegeta. The difference is not so much that it is impossible for Vegeta to peform an upset. I hear a lot of people complaining about how some weaker characters are still strong enough to do ridiculous amounts of damage on much stronger characters while others prefer it that way in attempts to keep things from becoming too unbalanced. My theory is...

Characters are seperated into 2 Categories. Class A and Class B. Neither character classes can peform tasks the other cannot, However Characters of Class A can peform these same tasks more effectively while characters of class B can peform them more efficiently.

for example lets say the cutoff point for Class A characters would be Super Perfect Cell / Super Saiyan 2 Adult Gohan (Buu Saga ). Meaning everyone stronger would also be Class A whilst everyone weaker would be class B.

Class A characters would have a 05-25% increase on stats such as Strength, Defense, etc.. depending on how much stronger they are. For example Super Saiyan 2 Goku may have a 05% attack increase over Class B's Super Saiyan Goku, while Super Saiyan 3 would have a 10% increase, Super Saiyan 4 Goku a 20% increase and SSJ Gogeta/ SSJ Vegetto a 25% increase.

In the same fashion stronger characters from Class B would have attribute boosts over the weaker characters of class B. e.g. Frieza would have an attack level 5% weaker than Super Saiyan Goku, while Base Goku would have an attack 10% weaker of course someone like Hercule would then have one 25% weaker.

Now while Class A characters may be able to deal more damage Class B characters would be able to do the same type of move. It will deal less damage but it will also consume less energy. Thats pretty much how it is now but other advantages would also be implicated with additional features as i will explain later.

---Reworked Attributes and Levelling up system. This is DBZ after all so there really should only be one levelling up system and that should be power levels. quite obviously this should depend entirely on your characters attributes. My theory is as follows.

Health - Every character starts off with either 2-3 Health Bars if they are of Class B and 3-4 Health Bars if they are Class A. Each Health bar is exactly 10,000 units of damage. For every level of Health you gain your overall Health will increase by 1000 units of damage i.e. 1/10 of a Health Bar. Therefore for every 10 levels of Health you gain, you will recieve an extra Health bar and so on and so forth.. The Maximum Health Level would be 100, meaning an extra 10 Health bars or 100,000 Damage. (Fusion characters would of course be able to exceed this maximum)

Ki - Ki usage would become far far more important as it would work much like Health. Instead of small energy bars it would be one complete bar just like Health. Each bar also containing 10,000 units of energy. Again Class B characters will start with 2-3 complete bars while Class A will have 3-4. However Ki will not be able to be regenerated and once it is all used up there will be next to nothing. Also like Health when your Ki level increases you will have much more ki bars available to you. Every action will require Ki to perform except basic melee, Transformations will also require certain levels of Ki to maintain. The only exceptions will be permanent transformations such as Frieza's alternate forms or Bojacks etc.. Of course there will be many support capsules that will make Ki consumption much more easier to manage. (again fusion characters would be able to exceed the maximums.)

(Speed) A New feature i would like to see would be "Reaction Time" This would work sorta like 'wild sense' where you would consume a single blast 1 counter. and whenever your opponent used a Blast 2 or Ultimate Blast it would come into effect.
(It would also replace B2/UB teleport evasion as i found that insanely flawed. you spent all your energy performing your UB and your opponent evades it effortless with the push of a single button= not fair)
Anway depending on your characters speed level you will be given a specific amount of time to react to your opponents blast 2/ Ultimate Blast, whether evading, countering, deflecting or simply guarding. For example lets say the default reaction time for Class B characters was slightly less than 1 second, for arguments sake we'll make it 0.9 seconds while the default reaction time for Class A characters would be 1.1 seconds. For every level of speed you gained this reaction time would increase by 0.1 seconds or 1/10 of a second.

Scenario One. Class B Super Saiyan Goku has a speed level of 40 giving him a reaction time of just under 5 seconds. If a character peformed an ultimate blast on Goku Goku's reaction time would activate and the attack would be peformed in slo-motion allowing Goku his exact reaction time (4.9 seconds) before the blast hit. Thus the greater reaction time the easier it becomes to either counter or evade an attack.

However this may also work offensively if you or your opponent choose too. By activating your Reaction time before peforming an attack you can reduce your opponents Reaction time to as little as the default Reaction time.

Scenario 2: Class B Super Saiyan Goku has a speed of 40 and is faced with an attack from Class B Super Saiyan Gohan. Ordinarily Goku would have a 4.9 second reaction time however Gohan also activates his Reaction time ability before his attack. Since Gohan has a speed of 45. Goku loses 40 levels of speed returning his reaction time to the Class B default of 0.9 seconds.

If the situation was reversed however and Goku attacked Gohan, Gohans speed would be reduced to 05 and his reaction time would only be 1.4 seconds. as oppossed to 5.4 seconds.

Rather than both characters maintaining the same reaction speed the speed levels cancel each other out and the lower speed would revert back to the default reaction time while the greater would keep only the difference between speeds . (hope thats easy to understand.)

Max Power Mode- max power mode would need reworking.. some kind of stealth max power mode would be an advantage where maybe it only appeared once you were 50% into it. Again Class A would have a longer period of time in max power mode than Class B but not so much that they were godly.

Thats all for now...

Lightning

03-19-2007, 09:13 AM

This is outstanding. Very good effort MysticBroly. Hope to see more from you soon. Keep it up!:up:

AND WELCOME TO THE FORUMS! HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY!:cool: :) :jump: :respect:

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 09:43 AM

hmm ok some of better ideas i think should be included are:

---Multiplayer battles. This would be the absolute number 1 addition to the game. I mean come on 1 vs 3 2 vs 1 etc.. four of your mates all playing at once = awesome. Of course it would have to be double split screens but i got a 60 inch plasma widescreen so thats ok :))
But not everyone got a 60" plasma TV. But that is not a problem.. Why do people think that you need a megascreen to fit in 4 players at the screen:bored: Haven't you ever played 4 player on a racing game?:confused:

---Create Mode. Whether creating a fighter, an attack, attire, 'what if' transformations or alternate forms, etc. etc. this would be an awesome feature it would fullfill every DBZ fans creative needs.
I will say this for the first time, but probably not the last. Use a pencil or a computer to do this:bulb: it is not required to be in the game. It would only be unneeded filler.

---Online Play.. too be honest i really wouldn't be too bothered if this didnt make an appearance as i prefer sittin around and picking apart my friends but a lot of people don't have the luxury of friends that are actually worthy of a challenge or that prefer a good DBZ game over another.
I do got a lot of friends, but you're right. There aren't many of them that like DBZ:downcast: They just have to put in online!

---The Perfect Balance between Character Superiority and Characters having a fighting chance. What this means is that while Super Saiyan 3 Goku has an obvious advantage over someone like Super Saiyan Vegeta. The difference is not so much that it is impossible for Vegeta to peform an upset. I hear a lot of people complaining about how some weaker characters are still strong enough to do ridiculous amounts of damage on much stronger characters while others prefer it that way in attempts to keep things from becoming too unbalanced. My theory is...

Characters are seperated into 2 Categories. Class A and Class B. Neither character classes can peform tasks the other cannot, However Characters of Class A can peform these same tasks more effectively while characters of class B can peform them more efficiently.

for example lets say the cutoff point for Class A characters would be Super Perfect Cell / Super Saiyan 2 Adult Gohan (Buu Saga ). Meaning everyone stronger would also be Class A whilst everyone weaker would be class B.

Class A characters would have a 05-25% increase on stats such as Strength, Defense, etc.. depending on how much stronger they are. For example Super Saiyan 2 Goku may have a 05% attack increase over Class B's Super Saiyan Goku, while Super Saiyan 3 would have a 10% increase, Super Saiyan 4 Goku a 20% increase and SSJ Gogeta/ SSJ Vegetto a 25% increase.

In the same fashion stronger characters from Class B would have attribute boosts over the weaker characters of class B. e.g. Frieza would have an attack level 5% weaker than Super Saiyan Goku, while Base Goku would have an attack 10% weaker of course someone like Hercule would then have one 25% weaker.

Now while Class A characters may be able to deal more damage Class B characters would be able to do the same type of move. It will deal less damage but it will also consume less energy. Thats pretty much how it is now but other advantages would also be implicated with additional features as i will explain later.
This is as far I can see, your only original idea. I am not sure I agree 100% with it though. Wouldn't it been better if they just put raised stats at the transformations, or if someone is in base mode, but very strong. Increase the stats somewhat. Same goes for fusion. I think it should be separated into 3 stats:
- Attack
- Speed
- Ki

So for Goku...
Base: 100% speed, 100 % attack, 100% ki
SSJ: 105% speed, 105% attack, 100% ki
SSJ2: 110% speed, 115% attack, 90% ki
SSJ3: 115% speed, 125% attack, 70% ki
SSJ4: 125% speed, 140% attack, 90% ki

---Reworked Attributes and Levelling up system. This is DBZ after all so there really should only be one levelling up system and that should be power levels. quite obviously this should depend entirely on your characters attributes. My theory is as follows.

Health - Every character starts off with either 2-3 Health Bars if they are of Class B and 3-4 Health Bars if they are Class A. Each Health bar is exactly 10,000 units of damage. For every level of Health you gain your overall Health will increase by 1000 units of damage i.e. 1/10 of a Health Bar. Therefore for every 10 levels of Health you gain, you will recieve an extra Health bar and so on and so forth.. The Maximum Health Level would be 100, meaning an extra 10 Health bars or 100,000 Damage. (Fusion characters would of course be able to exceed this maximum)

Ki - Ki usage would become far far more important as it would work much like Health. Instead of small energy bars it would be one complete bar just like Health. Each bar also containing 10,000 units of energy. Again Class B characters will start with 2-3 complete bars while Class A will have 3-4. However Ki will not be able to be regenerated and once it is all used up there will be next to nothing. Also like Health when your Ki level increases you will have much more ki bars available to you. Every action will require Ki to perform except basic melee, Transformations will also require certain levels of Ki to maintain. The only exceptions will be permanent transformations such as Frieza's alternate forms or Bojacks etc.. Of course there will be many support capsules that will make Ki consumption much more easier to manage. (again fusion characters would be able to exceed the maximums.)

(Speed) A New feature i would like to see would be "Reaction Time" This would work sorta like 'wild sense' where you would consume a single blast 1 counter. and whenever your opponent used a Blast 2 or Ultimate Blast it would come into effect.
(It would also replace B2/UB teleport evasion as i found that insanely flawed. you spent all your energy performing your UB and your opponent evades it effortless with the push of a single button= not fair)
Anway depending on your characters speed level you will be given a specific amount of time to react to your opponents blast 2/ Ultimate Blast, whether evading, countering, deflecting or simply guarding. For example lets say the default reaction time for Class B characters was slightly less than 1 second, for arguments sake we'll make it 0.9 seconds while the default reaction time for Class A characters would be 1.1 seconds. For every level of speed you gained this reaction time would increase by 0.1 seconds or 1/10 of a second.

Scenario One. Class B Super Saiyan Goku has a speed level of 40 giving him a reaction time of just under 5 seconds. If a character peformed an ultimate blast on Goku Goku's reaction time would activate and the attack would be peformed in slo-motion allowing Goku his exact reaction time (4.9 seconds) before the blast hit. Thus the greater reaction time the easier it becomes to either counter or evade an attack.

However this may also work offensively if you or your opponent choose too. By activating your Reaction time before peforming an attack you can reduce your opponents Reaction time to as little as the default Reaction time.

Scenario 2: Class B Super Saiyan Goku has a speed of 40 and is faced with an attack from Class B Super Saiyan Gohan. Ordinarily Goku would have a 4.9 second reaction time however Gohan also activates his Reaction time ability before his attack. Since Gohan has a speed of 45. Goku loses 40 levels of speed returning his reaction time to the Class B default of 0.9 seconds.

If the situation was reversed however and Goku attacked Gohan, Gohans speed would be reduced to 05 and his reaction time would only be 1.4 seconds. as oppossed to 5.4 seconds.

Rather than both characters maintaining the same reaction speed the speed levels cancel each other out and the lower speed would revert back to the default reaction time while the greater would keep only the difference between speeds . (hope thats easy to understand.)

Max Power Mode- max power mode would need reworking.. some kind of stealth max power mode would be an advantage where maybe it only appeared once you were 50% into it. Again Class A would have a longer period of time in max power mode than Class B but not so much that they were godly.

No, just no...

Majin Trunks

03-19-2007, 10:12 AM

Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 suggestion list: (NOTE: CREDITS ON THE END)
(New section starts with green,parts start with red text.)
Starting with character list...ending to summary.

CHARACTERS:

Before Dragon Ball characters

Kid Prince Vegeta--Oozaru
Grandpa Gohan
Master Mutaito
King Vegeta--Oozaru
Bardock---Oozaru
Shugesh---Oozaru
Fasha---Oozaru
Tora---Oozaru
Borgos---Oozaru

Dragon Ball characters

Kid Goku--Oozaru
Master Roshi--Max Power
Kid Kuririn
Yamcha
Nam
Bacterian
Giran
Android 8
Chiaotzu
Kid Chi-Chi
Teen Chi-Chi
Mr.Popo
Ox-King
Tien
Bora
Upa
Yajirobe
Yamcha
Dracula Man
Invisible Man
Mummy Man
Devil Man
Cymbal
Emperor Pilaf in Pilafborg
King Piccolo
Mai in Pilafborg
Tao---Cyborg
Piccolo Jr.---Giant---Giant 2
Shu---In Pilafborg
Tambourine
Ranfan
Commander Red
Assistant Black
General White
General Blue
General Copper
Captain Yellow
Captain Silver
Monster Buyon
Murasaki
Sergeant Metallic
Hasky
Teen Goku

Dragon Ball Z characters

Kid Gohan---Oozaru
Teen Gohan---SSj1---SSj2
Adult Gohan---SSj1---SSj2---GT.Saiyaman---Mystic Gohan
Mirai/Future Gohan----SSj1
Goku---Kaioken---SSj1---SSj2---SSj3---Golden Oozaru---SSj4---Gogeta---SSj4 Gogeta---Vegito---Super Vegito
Goten--SSj1---Gotenks---SSj1 Gotenks---SSj3 Gotenks
Teen Goten(Long haired after Kid Buu defeated)---SSj1
Teen Trunks(after Kid Buu defeated)---SSj1
Supreme Kai---Kibitoshin
Kuririn
Baby Pan
Tapion
Hirudegarn
Piccolo---Sync with Nail---Fuse with Kami
Nail---Sync with Piccolo
Mirai Trunks(With sword)---SSj1
Mirai Trunks---SSj1---USSj1---USSj2
Kid Uub
Vegeta---SSj1---Ussj--SSj2---SSj4---Vegito---Super Vegito---SSj4 Gogeta---Gogeta
Videl---Saiyawoman
Android 13---Super 13
Android 14
Android 15
Android 16
Android 17---Super 17
HFIL Fighter 17---Super 17
Android 18
Android 19
King Gurumes
Bongo
King Kuruesu
Bojack---Full Power
Broly---RSSj---SSj---LSSj---Bio Broly
Majin Buu---Majuub
Super Buu---Gohan absorbed---Gotenks absorbed
Super Kid Buu
Kid Buu
Majin Buu Pure Evil
Garlick Jr.---Giant
Captain Ginuy
Cell---2nd form---Perfect---Full Perfect
Cooler---Final Form
Meta-Cooler
Neiz
Dore
Salza
Dabura
Dr.Gero
Frieza---2nd form---3rd form---Final form---100% Full power
Mecha Frieza
King Cold
Lord Slug---Young---Giant
Nappa---Oozaru
Pui Pui
Raditz--Oozaru
Cui
Hatchhyack
Saibamen
Spopovich
Turles---Eaten Fruit from Tree of Might--Oozaru
Yakon
Yamu
Arqua
Paragus
Hercule
Jewel
Kilah
Olibu
Pikkon
Amond
Cacao
Deiz
Rezun
Rakasei
Angira
Wings
Gyosh
Medamotcha
Zeeun
Pintar
Zaacro
Raiti
Kollifum
Saegi

Garlick Jr.s Henchmen:

Mustard
Spice
Salt
Vinegar
Nicky

Frieza's Henchmen

Captain Ginuy
Guldo
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
Dodoria
Zarbon---Monster
Appule
Blueberry
Raspberry
Cui
Orin

Bojack's Henchmen

Bido
Bujin
Kogu
Zangya

Dragon Ball Gt

GT Gohan---Ssj1--SSj2---Mystic---Gt.Saiyaman
GT Kid Goku----SSj1---SSj2---SSj3--Golden Oozaru---SSj4
GT Goku---SSj1---SSj2---SSj3
GT Goten--SSj1
Kibitokai
Pan
Marron
GT Trunks--SSj1
Uub--Majuub
GT Vegeta---SSj1---SSj2---SSj4
Vegeta Jr.---SSj1
Goku jr.---SSj1
Baby---Form 2---Baby Vegeta---Baby Vegeta 1---Baby Vegeta 2---Baby Vegeta Oozaru---Form 3 when he leaves earth
Nezi
Ribet
Bizu
Don Para
Bon Para
Cardinal Mutchy Mutchy
Eis Shenron
Rildo---Form 1----Form 2---Form 3
Haze Shenron
Zoonama
Ledgic
Lord Don Kee
Luud
Naturon Shenron
Nuova Shenron
Oceanus Shenron
Rage Shenron
Son Para
Syn Shenron---Omega

Stages(night and day to all except Namek and otherworld):

Ancient City – From the Bojack Movie.
Baba’s Palace – All around the palace and a bit of desert.
Babidi’s Spaceship – Inside Babidi’s Spaceship. Changes sometimes to Pui Pui’s Planet, Yakon’s Planet and Dabura’s fighting ground.
Big Gete Star – Where they versed Metal Cooler
Cell Games Arena – The arena with green fields and place where tournament was observed from.
City – A big thick city with really tall buildings. Look at city from Hirudigarn movie.
Desert Wasteland – Like where Majin Vegeta and Goku fought.
Dr. Willows Lab – From the movie
Forest – Where Piccolo fought Cooler’s squad when he used his stretchy arm.
Frieza’s Spaceship – Inside and just outside of Frieza’s spaceship in space.
Glacier – From the Super Android 13 movie.
Gravity Chamber – Where Vegeta trains in.
Hercule’s Tournament (Bojack Movie) – The one with all the different levels.
HFIL – Where Goku fought Janemba. Includes spikes and blood pool etc.
Highway – Where Vegeta fought Android 18.
Hyperbolic Time Chamber – Look more like in anime.
Inside Buu – When Vegito was eaten by Super Buu.
Islands – Where Piccolo and Android 17 fought.
Kami’s Lookout + Korin’s Tower – The whole length of the tower, top to ground.
King Kai’s Planet – Where Ginyu Force versed Yamcha, Tien, etc.
King Yema’s Palace – Around the check-in station.
Master Roshi’s House – The small island where Spice Force fought.
Mountains – Where Cooler and Goku fought.
Namek – Including a small village and can go up to Guru’s house.
Namek Destroyed – Include dark green sky, giant holes, electricity sparks, lava and sea twisters.
New Planet Vegeta – From the Broly movie.
Ocean – A plain ocean level at the end of a port where Gotenks met to fight Buu.
Otherworld Tournament – Include the mushroom head guy, the space around the tournament.
Plains – Where Raditz and Goky fought.
Planet (Bardock fought Dodoria and gang) – The planet with red sky from movie)
Planet (Bardock got his powers) – The night planet where Bardock got his foresight.
Planet Tuffle – From GT, where SS4 Goku fought Baby.
Planet Vegeta – The old Planet Vegeta.
Planet Yadrit – Where Goku crash-landed.
Red Ribbon Base – Level from Budokai 2
Rocky Wasteland – Outside of Babidi’s Spaceship and similar to where versed Gero.
Snake Way – Snake way with the clouds below.
Supreme Kai’s World – Where Kid Buu versed Goku and Vegeta. More valleys etc.
Town – Similar to Ginger Town where Piccolo versed Imperfect Cell.
Tree of Might – From the Tree of Might Movie. All around the tree in the centre.
World Tournament – The world tournament arena. Can fly all over the tournament grounds.

There should be lots more levels, and twice as big as they already are, with big open areas, and then other places where players can hide in. And the ceilings should be really high so that you can fight in the clouds. And every level should have its own destroyed level.

Terrain should effect speed and other things when fighting for example

When underwater fighting should not be as fast as it is on the land-- it should be slower---way slower and would be difficult to fight and when u use a kamehameha or something underwater-- water should come up like a bomb hit underwater and it would splash everywhere (and if u use a spirit bomb where the water is or some other attack u should be able to get rid of all the water in that area and make it a lil crater or something u know what i mean)
When in the desert it should be a little hard to run and kick and when u kick sand should come up and you should be able to blind the opponent with the sand that is kicked up.

A Wider area Huge area is a definite plus.

How about being able to go inside the buildings that you see whether in planet namek or in the city-- you should be able to go in there and hide if needed and be able to find some heath upgrades or something and while in their you may sense your opponents **POWER LEVEL** or presence (as well as the opponent) and be able to throw a surprise ki attack the opponent and he wouldnt know what hit him. You should also be able to fight in there as well (for example going into a 6 story building and fighting and stuff--but you could just shoot it down if you'd like)

Sagas:

DB:
Emperor Pilaf
1st world martial arts
Red ribbon
General Blue
Commander Red
Baba
Tien
King Piccolo
Piccolo Jr.

DBZ:

Saiyan
Namek
Garlic Jr.
Android
Buu

DBGT:

Lost episodes
Baby
Super 17
Shadow Dragon

Movies and Specials:

Specials:
Bardock:The father of Goku
The history of Trunks
Hero's Legacy
Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans

Movies:

DB:
Curse of the Blood Rubies
Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
Mystical Adventure
The Path to Power

DBZ:

Dead Zone
World's strongest
Tree of Might
Lord Slug
Cooler's Revenge
Return of Cooler
Super Android 13
Broly:The legendary Super Saiyan
Bojack Unbound
Broly :2nd coming
Bio Broly
Fusion Reborn
Wrath of the Dragon

Create a Character:

Race: Ability to choose your race. There should be the following available: Saiyan,Human,Namek,Alien (meaning general types like the many henchmen you see serving Freeza in the anime), saibamen and android.

Gender: Pretty much self explanatory.If need to explain,Male/Female

Clothing: Let's you from 1 to 3 costumes you may swap between.

Colour: Edit eye, hair, clothing, skin, energy, and aura colour (note: you can edit your special attack colours separately).

Face/Body/Hair: Edit your face, build, body, and hairstyle.

Size: Whether you're a shrimp like baldy or a gorilla like Nappa.

Moves: Edit you attack list. You might've trained with Roshi and have the Kamehameha, or you might be Freeza's personal body guard and have learnt some of his moves ´such as Death Beam.

Style: This is just some misc options, such as how you walk, your battle stance, your pre battle animation (you may set this differently for different characters. Or select several from a list and choose which one to use before battle), what winning animation is used, and etcetera.

Transformation: What transformations you can perform. This is limited by race.(EX:Saiyan:SSj1,SSj2 and So on,Namek,Big,Fused,so on.)

Voice: Record several different lines of speech for; pre battle, victory, loss, being hit hard, using a super attack (such as you would generaly say "KA-ME-HA-ME-HA!!!" for the kamehameha), and etcetera.

Biography: Write your own background.

Create a Saga:

1. Select a map the story takes place in (aka: namek or earth).

2. Place all the secrets across the map (aka: little star thingies.) and any cut scenes you want for that particular event.

3. Place all the main story events (Red dots) across the map.

4. Make the cutscenes for your story events, secret events, and others (how to make them is described below.).

5. Edit other features such as fights in the story event or random encountery thing.

Create a cut-scene:

1. You go into cut scene making mode.

2. You select the character you want to speak first. Or you select the "Narrator", which is either a either a sound effect (like the ones in budokai 3), or a speech bubble with the text the narrator says. (Skip to "5" if you picked 'Narrator', or "6" if you picked 'Sound effect'.)

3. You choose the expression of the character (meaning happy, scared, hurt, angry, etcetera).

4. You pick the type of speech bubble used (meaning shouting, whispering, normal or thought).

5. You input the text that the character/narrator says.

6. You put in the sound effect or speech that you desire. (optional)

7. Choose what will happen after the speech/sound is ‘X’ed (meaning the player presses the X button to get the next text/sound/fight.). Out of: another person speaking, a sound effect, narration, conversation end, or a fight starts.

8. You repeat the process if you picked speech, narration or sound effect, and you put in the fight you want if you picked fight. If you end the conversation there you may go back and edit any details you want changed or save it and leave (saving it is optional).

Modes:

Put mini-game modes,and modes that unlock stuff,there should be a mode where you do the story by using villains,EX:
Raditz VS Goku and see what happens if villains would win.

Story
The story mode on Tenkaichi 2 looked like there was no effort put into making it at all.

The RPG side of it was good, but I'd like to see every character having their own story mode, whether they only have five to eight battles, or (Goku) probably having something near fifty. If a character only battles once or twice, like Zarbon or Android #19, make them some extra battles that would actually fit into the story. For instance, Zarbon could fight some of the Namekians before fighting Vegeta, or #19 could fight Dr. Gero as testing of his modifications.

Also, I'd like to see every battle introduced and exited by a clip from the acutal show. Like when Vegeta fights #18, it can explain that Vegeta chased after the Androids, and then show a bit of their discussion and they start the fight, then to end it off, Vegeta is cast aside by #18 easily.

Different character's story modes should be unlocked when you get that character through somebody elses story mode.

And one final word on characters. There does not need to be 50 Vegetas on BT3.

And put on every fight,but no generic people without names on the game.

Customization:

In BT3 I'd really like to see the customization system change. I'd like to see the capsule system return for their attacks, like on BT3. However, there could be some alterations. Every character could have 5 -7 slots (depending on character - ones with most attacks, like goku, will have 7. Others like Nail, would have 5) for attacks and abilities. The abilities explained in next section. Then, each character should have 1 - 2 slots for special enhancements. These would be a really cool idea I think. For instance:

Saiyan Blood - Stats increase as health is restored (Saiyans only)
Regeneration - Health restores at a steadier rate (Namekians, Cell, Majin Buus)
Survival - Abilities do not decrease under water (Frieza, Cooler, King Cold)
Immortality - Can only be KO'd with Finishing and Ultimate Moves (Garlic Jr)

etc...

Different characters would have different abilities. Some might have not real special ability unique to them, and would have to equip generic abilities such as Attack +5 etc...

Leveling Up
I'd like to see characters level up during story mode and training modes and other special modes. But not like previousely before.

Why not incorperate the actual sense of power levels from the actual show. So instead of Lv 1 - 99, why not Power Levels of 10 000 - 99 000. It would be the same thing, but it would make the game feel a lot more like the show. Each character would start at a different power level to begin with, for instance. Krillin starts at 5 000, and Goku starts at 10 000, and Cell starts at 18 000, and Broly starts at 28 000. This would mean characters would be a little stronger than others like in the actual show, that is of course unless you train lower characters up alot. Also, the higher power level characters are obtained later in the game of course, so by the time you unlock them, your character has levelled up a little.

I also liked the way characters level up from an old DBZ game. Remember this one guys, Dragonball GT Final Bout. If you've ever played it, it has a Build Up system where your characters stats increase depending on what they do in battle. So if you punch a lot, your punches get stronger. If you power up a lot, you can power up a lot quicker. Of course, by the time you just keep doing the same punch right to the end of the game, you can kill them with one punch. It shouldn't get as drastic as that, but the stats should be there and they should increase. The different stats should be able to reach 999, and when all of them add up, they should all equate to the overall power level of the character.

Abilities
First problem. I don't like the way the abilities are on Tenkaichi 1 or 2. It's too much of a limit to have only 2 attacks and 2 special abilities and 1 ultimate attack. On Budokai 1 -3, it was awesome because each character had the number of moves that they needed. On this, they are too limited, and abilities they use on the show are left out in the game. For instance, Goku didn't have Solar Flare in BT2, and Vegeta alternates from having Final Flash and Big Bang every transformation.

In BT3,I'd like to see each character have the number of abilities that they actually have on the shows. When you first play the game, the characters should have the abilities they start with, and when you play through their story mode and level them up, they should learn new attacks. For instance. Goku starts out with Kamehameha and Solar Flare, and then he learns Kaioken and Spirit Bomb when he trains with King Kai, Instant Transmission when he comes back from Yadratt, Warp Kamehameha when he comes out of the Time Chamber, etc.

About Power lvl's:

I'd like to see the restoration of the old capsule system, and gain the capsules instead of permanently learning the attack. If with capsules, they would be able to customize their character. That's part of the fun of it.

Then, instead of everybody having a volley or a rush, the rushes and volleys should also come in the form of capsules, for instance: Energy Wave, Power Volley, Full Power Volley, Energy Barrage, High Speed Rush, etc. And they're all different like:

Energy Volley - Requires 1 energy bar. Light damage. Quick succession.
Power Energy Volley- Requires 2 energy bars. Medium damage. Quicker succession.
Full Power Energy Volley - Requires 3 energy bars. Heavy damage. Quickest succession.

Energy Barrage - Requires 1 energy bar. Light damage. Loose homing in.
Power Energy Barrage - Requires 2 energy bars. Medium damage. Medium homing in.
Full Power Energy Barrage - Requires 3 energy bars. Heavy damage. Tight homing in.

Energy Wave - Requires 1 energy bar. Light damage.
Power Energy Wave - Requires 2 energy bars. Medium damage.
Full Power Energy Wave - Requires 3 energy bars. Heavy damage.

Energy Blast - Requires 1 energy bar. Light damage. Small radius.
Power Energy Blast - Requires 2 energy bars. Medium damage. Medium radius.
Full Power Energy Blast - Requires 3 energy bars. Heavy damage. Large radius.

etc...

And to equip all capsules to characters, it should require that they be a certain power level. So, for instance:

Energy Wave - Power Lv. 5 000^
Power Energy Wave - Power Lv. 30 000^
Full Power Energy Wave - Power Lv. 60 000^

Kamehameha - Power Lv. 10 000^
Super Kamehameha - Power Lv. 30 000^
x10 Kamehameha - Power Lv. 60 000^

So, the same with character's signature abilities.

I think all characters should have a power level (not representing any actual power level in the show). So, Goku would start out (for example) with a power level of 120 000. And Krillin would start out at a power level of 90 000. Frieza - 160 000, Cell - 200 000, Buu - 270 000, Omega Shenron - 400 000. Or something like that.

Each character starts out with a different base level (very lightly based on their strength on the show compared to other characters, giving them slight advantages over weaker characters.

When you train your characters their power levels will rise as they get stronger (to a maximum of 1,000,000 over a long time)

The stronger characters get unlocked later on in the game, so that makes up for the training the weaker characters got at the start of the game. After characters get trained, they will be stronger than other characters will lower power levels.

Each character will have a different balance of stat levels.

Here is how the stats should be based.

POWER LEVEL - (is an equation of all the stats below)

Health - stat controlling amount of health
Ki - stat controlling amount of energy
Technique - stat controlling speed which the tech bar fills up (tech acts as blast 1 bar)
Transform - stat controlling speed of which transform bar fills (how soon can transform, how fast it recovers)
Regeneration - stat controlling speed of which health and energy recovers

Strength - stat controlling influence on physical attacks
Power - stat controlling influence on ki based attacks
Defence - stat controlling influence on defense against physical attacks
Resistance - stat controlling influence on defence against ki based attacks
Speed - stat controlling influence on overall speed

Charge - stat controlling speed of which ki is gathered
Evade - stat controlling ability to evade attacks
Ability - stat controlling effectiveness of abilities (solar flare, afterimage...etc.)
Blast - stat controlling effectiveness of finishing moves (kamehameha etc..)
Ultimate - stat controlling effectiveness of ultimate moves (spirit bomb, big bang attack etc...)

Training- stat controlling how fast the character is able to level up. This stat can only be changed by capsules put on the character which raise it.

The max of each stat is 62,500. So they all of them maxed out would equate to the max overall Power Level being 1,000,000.

Training a character to 1 000 000 should get harder as they get stronger. And take a long time.

When a character is selected in Vs mode etc. You should be able to select either "Normal" - character with base stats. "Custom" - Character with trained stats".

Stats like these would give the game a sense of reality towards the Dragonball Z anime, and make the game worth playing for prolonged time to train your characters. And characters' base levels are stronger than characters from earlier in the anime so they are a little bit stronger to adhere to the Dragonball timeline.

So in summary:
Characters learn abilities through capsules equipped
Characters gain these capsules by playing through their own stories
Capsules can be equipped depending on the character's Power Lv.

Capsule System:

Ability - Unique capsules like Kamehameha and Death Ball, to generic capsules that anybody can equip (for those with few attacks) like Energy Volley.

Transformations - Capsules containing transformations and fusions, like SS, SS2 and Potara Fusion.

Enhancements - Capsules with unique enhancements such as Saiyan Blood (stronger when HP restored) and Survival (HP and stats are not hindered underwater - for frieza family), and then the generic enhancements like Attack +2 or Senzu Bean or Halo...

For example, Goku has 7 ability slots because he has a lot of abilities, and 5 transformations slots because he has a lot of transformations, and 2 enhancement slots.

Goku's Capsule Slots:

Ability
1 - Kamehameha
2 - Solar Flare
3 - Kaioken
4 - Instant Transmission
5 - Spirit Bomb
6 - Warp Kamehameha
7 - Full Power Energy Volley (a generic ability anybody can equip)

But he also has abilities left out that couldn't fit like Afterimage, Super Dragonfist, etc...

Transformation
1 - SS1
2 - SS2
3 - SS3
4-Golden Oozaru
5 - SS4

But he also has fusions that wont fit unless he customizes and plays around with what he likes on him best,Golden Oozaru should be a form too,SSj4 capsule's requirement to have Golden Oozaru form.

Enhancement
1 - Saiyan Blood
2 - Senzu Bean

Different players will have different amounts of slot openings for different types of capsules, depending on how many they have for that area. So Kid Gohan might have only 4 abilities slots, 2 transformation slots, but 4 enhancement slots.

And also, transformations should be like B3 where they don't change your abilities at all, unless like SS4 where it changes kamehameha to x10. And transforming changes your stats.

And just another note. With guys with Oozaru transformations. They should have to have that ability where they put the energy ball in the sky, and use that first and then lock onto it in battle. If players who don't have that attack, like Gohan, then he'll have to rely on the enemy putting it there. Because his only happen by random chance like in the shows.

And if you don't equip the transformation of Oozaru, then they don't have the tail and therefor cannot have a tail unless they have the Oozaru transformation capsule equipped.

About Fighting and moves
Moves should be more explosive and awesome
When in close fighting--countering should be brutal and more violen--intense-- for example -- Block a left punch with the right arm and the camera would close in and you could headbutt him in the head and then shoot some volley shots at him close up and the character would say things like "HEH HEH" or "NICE TRY" but cooler of course just usin an example during the counter as well as taunt -- use your imagination im just sayin

Also when fighting you should be able to weaken a part of the body for example if you continue to pound away on the legs--when the walk they would limp and kicking would be a little slower and pound away on the arms they will punch a little slower.

Give everyone an unique moves,not like every Oozaru having Chou Makou... and moves like Full power energy something should be deleted and make uniques.

Some moves,Stardust Breaker of Gogeta example,put it into cut-scene and still give enemy an change to evade,block or parry.

Sound and Music
The sound is getting better, but is still not quite good.

When beams get fired, the sound only comes once from the player releasing the beam, and then for the rest of the time it is silent. For instance, when the beam flies right past you, it makes no noise, or if it hits the ground, it still makes no noise. There needs to be a lot more explosion and beam noises.

I'd like to see a lot more variety in phrases etc. said by the voice cast.

I'd like to see the music from the shows, full stop.

Transformations
Nice try, but transformations need to be restored from B3. On BT2, they looked really corny and they just changed their moves around.

I'd like to see transformations require the filling up of a transformation bar, and when you transform, the character just transforms right there in the middle of the fight. If they transform really powerfully, like SS4, or Perfect Cell, things around them should break, and rubble should fly around.

Transforming should raise player stats. Trasformations should be equipped to the character as well in the form of capsules, but not in the same area as attacks. Trasnforming should not change moves, but upgrade moves, like Kamehameha. Kamehameha changes to Super Kamehameha at SS2, and to x10 Kamehameha at SS4. Not changes completely. That was silly. Transformations should end when the transformation bar goes to low or something.

For Super Saiyans. Have you ever noticed that when they are just standing there, they have that really blonde hair, and then they go into a sort of angry mode and they turn really gold and are surrounded by the flame. You should be able to do that with the Super Saiyans. They should burst into that mode and they stats get raised a little. Their energy goes down while they are in this stage. They get out of the burst mode when they run out of energy, or when they are forcibaly knocked away.

And I would want ability to choose starting form like in BT2 and Transform mid-battle by rocks floating etc.Nature around you should react differently to your transformations depending on character.

And transformations should go like this:Start gathering Ki...Nature and environment reacts,press R3 and transform when enough Ki and B1 bars have been gathered.

Bring up more realistic environment!!

Costumes
Here are the really important outfits that need to be included:

Goku [Normal outfit with symbols] [Late DBZ without symbols] [GT outfit] [Saiyan outfit -worn in time chamber-] [Yadrit costume] [Orange outfit without the top and shoes]
Vegeta [Saiyan armour with tail and scouter] [Namek Saga Saiyan armour] [Cell Saga Saiyan armour] [Buu Saga Saiyan armour] [GT outfit with haircut]
Piccolo [Cape] [No cape] [King Piccolo outfit]
Trunks [Jacket on] [Jacket off] [Saiyan armour, long hair] [GT Trunks] ['Histoy of Trunks' outfit]
Adult Gohan [Blue training outfit] [Goku's outfit] [Saiyaman outfit without sunnies or helmet] [Kai outfit]
Kid Gohan [Dragonball on head costume] [Outfit when in the wild] [Piccolo's outfit, long hair] [Piccolo's outfit, short hair] [Saiyan armour, short hair]

etc...

So, make every character have all of their outfits. DBZ fans will love you for this, I'm sure.

That's all I can say without taking up the entire forum.
But just to close off,I can give the developers one final piece of advice. Study the show!!!

Gameplay
I liked how attacks like Kamehameha could be powered up by holding the energy button down. I'd like to see more attacks with the ability to be charged, including: Dodon Ray, Death Beam, etc. So, all the signature beams and energy balls should be powered up at will.

I think also that abilities should be used seamlessly throughout the fights. For instance, on the previous BT games, when attacks are used, it zooms up to show the character. They should just be used, just like when powered up attacks are performed. The fight would be more intense like this.

Ultimate attacks look really rushed on the games, and sometimes they need to be used in a rush. I'd like to see Ultimate attacks incorperated seamlessly in the gameplay like the other moves, but look really powerful. If they are, you'd have to knock the enemy down or have them tired out. Max power mode is too predictable. Ultimate moves need to be usable in a different way. A way that isn't so obvious.

The explosions were lacking on the previous BTs. I'd like to see more explosions, even when they miss the player and hit the ground. They should be big, scatter dirt everywhere, and light up the arena.

Destructables like chunks of rock and buildings should break into different peices. So if you send a beam through a building, it doesn't blow up the whole building, it only blasts away the part that was hit.

I'd like to see different levels of hit aways, you know, like when you charge up your punch more, the longer you send them flying for. I'd like to see three stages of it. Light hit away just knocks them out of range, but they don't fall out of the sky. Medium hit away knocks them back a bit, and if you hit them into anything they smash up against it and rubble flies off, like on the show. Then, the heaviest knockback will send them flying at full speed across the level, flying through everything.

I'd like to see more combos, and that they look more unique for each character. Their movements should be studies on the show, (the technique and the speed and force of them), and then implicated into the game. So the fights contain the same speed and power from the DBZ episodes.

I'd like to see beams and blasts look be destructive. On previous installments of BTs, the smaller beams look seethrough and like they don't contain much punch. Characters should be able to charge them up to different levels and they should throw the beams like they contain a lot of punch.

I'd like to see craters and burn marks appear on the ground and objects.

I'd like to see characters have different levels of damage. It's been good so far on the games. However, the damaged look to each character should look unique. Like, when Dr. Gero gets damaged, he loses the hat, the same for Chaitzu, little Gohan in his dragonball hat outfit...

I'd like to see health and energy recover so slightly during the fight. That way, Saiyans can get stronger as fights drag on.

I also like it when energy attacks use up bars of energy, like 2 bars, or 3 bars.

Ultimate moves should be used

I'd like to see some different game modes as well.

I don't like to see the characters bounce around on the ground when you get smashed down like they are full of air. They should hit and slide, and dust should be kicked up, and you can see the mark in the ground like on B3.

I like how you can fight beams together, but you should be able to fight beams, blasts and barriers together. I really like when you both fly at each other that they do a quick round of punches.

This is a definite must for multiplayer is online play of course and so is something like a 2 vs 2 match or 3 vs 1 match. Not talking about a tag battle or free battle like in BT2 im talking about having 3 people playing at the same time and fighting one dude. I forgot some of the episodes in which this happens but just for example. (Goku and Vegeta fighting Omega shenron at the same time) That is a definite must in this game. I would definitely like to see this and I dont think anyone would disagree with me that this would probably be one of the best features for multiplayer in a DBZ Game and must be implemented for online play as well

Cmon say Frieza, Cooler, and Cell (all at the same time) trying to beat SSJ4 Goku in multiplayer. or 2 vs 2 Freiza and Cooler vs Goku and Vegeta (at the same time i.e. requiring multitap or online play) Once Goku take out cooler him and vegeta goes for freiza or it could be goku just knocks down cooler and leaves him dizzy for a second then goku beats up freiza with vegeta then goes back to cooler . and so forth Yall get the idea.
Another thing to add is for single player.
Remember in BT2 the dragon adventure mode where when u go over a city that you could enter youd have to press x or something to go in. well in bt3 you should just be able to descend in the city with no load screens or nothing, and you would see cars and people as u descend or whatever something like that. and u could do quests and stuff like in legacy of goku and all that. An Rpg style real time fighting game in single player. Be sweet.

About Characters:

Nameks:

Put the following Nameks on the game: Nail,King Piccolo and Piccolo.
Give two transformations to Piccolo,maybe to other Nameks too,Giant and Super Giant as Piccolo did against Goku on volume #16.

Also do put King Piccolo's minions on game.Tambourine,Drum and rest.

Saiyans:

Put the original,I mean first Saiyan warriors,Bardock,Kid Vegeta,and Bardock's Gang,Also include King Vegeta,Raditz,Adult Vegeta,Turles,His gang,Nappa and all Major Saiyans with name,who've appeared.

Forms of the Saiyans:
Goku:Oozaru,SSj1,USSj1,USSj2,SSj2,SSj3
Kid Vegeta:Oozaru
Adult Vegeta:Oozaru,SSj1,USSj,SSj2,Majin should be proper form.
King Vegeta:Oozaru
Bardock:Oozaru
Nappa:Oozaru
Raditz:Oozaru
Turles:Oozaru
Bardock's gang:Oozarus
GT Kid Goku:SSj1,SSj3,Golden Oozaru,SSj4
GT Vegeta:SSj1,SSj2,SSj4
GT Trunks:SSj1
GT Goten:SSj1
GT Gohan:Saiyaman,SSj1,SSj2,Mystic
Kid Gohan:Oozaru
Kid Goku:Oozaru
Teen Gohan:SSj1,SSj2
Adult Gohan:GT.Saiyaman,SSj1,SSj2,Mystic
Teen Goten(Before DBGT after Kid Buu):SSj1
Teen Trunks(Before DBGT after Kid Buu):SSj1
Vegeta jr.:SSj1
Goku jr.:SSj1
Adult Trunks:SSj1,USSj1,USSj2
Pan:None
Baby/Kid Pan:None
Kid Trunks:SSj1
Kid Goten:SSj1

Fusions :
Adult Vegeta+Goku:Gogeta
Adult Vegeta+Goku:Vegito:Super Vegito
Kid Goten+Kid Trunks:Gotenks:SSj1:SSj3
Kibito+Supreme Kai:Kibitoshin
SSj4 GT Kid Goku+SSj4 GT Vegeta:SSj4 Gogeta

Humans:
Include these people new as humans:All from world tournies.

Humans should not be able to transform,but all could have power-up like:

Yamcha:Wolf's awakening
Tien:Avenging Chiaotzu
Chiaotzu:"I'll do my best,Mr.Tien"
Krillin:Must survive...

Aliens:
Aliens like Frieza,Cooler,Garlic,Janemba and so on,should be in and also henchmen's.

I do not have much to say from these.

Character Models
The actual characters themselves looked much better on B3. They look blocky and chunky and lifeless on the Tenkaichi series. They move stiffly, like their whole body is one piece. I'd like to see the models redone, and the characters move more realistically, like they do on the show.

What will be needed to T3 compared to T2:

1.Much, much larger maps.
2.Online play.
3.More than two characters on the field at once.
4.Water physics.
5.Grass physics.
6.Transformations that make the ground crack and the grass blow wildly, and etcetera.
7.Better AI.
8.More destructible environment.
9.Explosion damage. Such as if you blast someone with spirit bomb but it misses them by a couple of meters, then they get damaged by the explosion from it.

CREDITS:

Character list: Majin Trunks

Stage list: Majin Trunks,Kamiccolo33,Dbz#1,Dbz_hunter 001,SS5Vegeta_ver3,Blue_kiko_kid,Super Trunks,Lightning,Mystic Gohan,Vishkugeta,Morgan2042,OXKing,Zellgadis

Saga list: Majin Trunks

Create A character: Conners

Create a saga: Conners

Create a cut-scene: Conners

Modes :Majin Trunks

Story: Kamiccolo33 & Majin Trunks

Customization: Kamiccolo33

About power lvl's: Kamiccolo33

About fighting and moves: HolyBlesser & Majin Trunks

Sound and Music: Kamiccolo33

Transformations: Kamiccolo33 & Majin Trunks

Costumes: Kamiccolo33

Gameplay: Kamiccolo33 & HolyBlesser

About characters :Majin Trunks

Character Models: Kamiccolo33

What'll be needed to T3 compared to T2: Conners

Thanks all who have helped me making this suggestion list!!!

Now it's your turn,agree,disagree...comment,anything!

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 12:41 PM

CHARACTERS:

Before Dragon Ball characters

9 characters

Dragon Ball characters
42 characters

Dragon Ball Z characters
84 characters

Garlick Jr.s Henchmen:
5 characters

Frieza's Henchmen
12 characters

Bojack's Henchmen
4 characters

Dragon Ball GT
33 characters

9 + 42 + 84 + 5 + 12 + 4 + 33 = 189 characters without transformations included. Now that is REALLY FREAKING CRAZY optimistic of you. Do you actually think that there is even 1% chance that they put in all those characters?:downcast: No... that list is simply not good enough. Sure we want every character from Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. But let us just face the fact. Bandai and Spike is not able to make that many characters. They do not have the money, the time or the creativity to make all those characters in less than 3 years. Just think off all the work they have to put in making characters. Voice acting, move lists, combos, special-effects, stats, story mode etc. To be honest. All those characters will never be in Tenkaichi 3 :downcast:We might expect maybe 80 or 90 characters, but you are asking for the doubled number. It simply will not work. We all just got to remember and think about that there is actually people creating those characters. They do with other words not create themselves:)

Stages (night and day to all except Namek and otherworld):
41 Battle Stages
Again. There are 41 stages in total on that list. How should Spike or Bandai possibly make that many stages on such little time? It is next to impossible and highly unrealistic. In shooting-games there are often many rather large places to go. So by taking advantage of the BluRay disc, you could actually fit quite many battle stages in the game. But let us keep it on a realistic level. Here is my suggestion for battle stages:

1. Ancient City – From the Bojack Movie
2. Baba’s Palace – All around the palace and a bit of desert.
3. Big Gete Star – Where they versed Metal Cooler
4. Cell Games Arena – The arena with green fields and place where tournament was observed from.
5. City – A big thick city with really tall buildings. Look at city from Hirudigarn movie.
6. Desert Wasteland – Like where Majin Vegeta and Goku fought.
7. Forest – Where Piccolo fought Cooler’s squad when he used his stretchy arm.
8. Glacier – From the Super Android 13 movie.
9. Hercule’s Tournament (Bojack Movie) – The one with all the different levels.
10. HFIL – Where Goku fought Janemba. Includes spikes and blood pool etc.
11. Highway – Where Vegeta fought Android 18.
12. Hyperbolic Time Chamber – Look more like in anime.
13. Inside Buu – When Vegito was eaten by Super Buu.
14. Kami’s Lookout + Korin’s Tower – The whole length of the tower, top to ground.
15. Master Roshi’s House – The small island where Spice Force fought.
16. Namek – Including a small village and can go up to Guru’s house.
17. New Planet Vegeta – From the Broly movie.
18. Otherworld Tournament – Include the mushroom head guy, the space around the tournament.
19. Plains – Where Raditz and Goky fought.
20. Planet Tuffle – From GT, where SS4 Goku fought Baby.
21. Planet Vegeta – The old Planet Vegeta.
22. Red Ribbon Base – Level from Budokai 2
23. Supreme Kai’s World – Where Kid Buu versed Goku and Vegeta. More valleys etc.
24. Town – Similar to Ginger Town where Piccolo versed Imperfect Cell.
25. Tree of Might – From the Tree of Might Movie. All around the tree in the centre.
26. World Tournament – The world tournament arena. Can fly all over the tournament grounds.

Extra Stages:
These stages are smaller than the other and are used for “Build Up mode” where you can raise your character stats.
Gravity Chamber – Where Vegeta trains in.
King Kai’s Planet – Where Ginyu Force versed Yamcha, Tien, etc.

There should be a lot more levels, and twice as big as they already are, with big open areas, and then other places where players can hide in. And the ceilings should be really high so that you can fight in the clouds. And every level should have its own destroyed level. They should be somewhat bigger, but I think the mainpoint they got to focus on is dragging the objects into the fields. It doesn't matter how large the battle stages are, as long as there is no objects there. Then you would not recognize the different places, but instead just give a damn in the environments. By letting you reach more objects, you can attain a better feeling of the environments. Just look at this picture. You see all the details, which actually makes it fun to look at. The Tenkaichi stages were so empty that it became boring.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/Budokai3 (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920505_20040816_screen002.jpg)

Terrain should effect speed and other things when fighting for example:
When underwater fighting should not be as fast as it is on the land-- it should be slower---way slower and would be difficult to fight and when u use a kamehameha or something underwater-- water should come up like a bomb hit underwater and it would splash everywhere (and if u use a spirit bomb where the water is or some other attack u should be able to get rid of all the water in that area and make it a lil crater or something u know what i mean)
When in the desert it should be a little hard to run and kick and when u kick sand should come up and you should be able to blind the opponent with the sand that is kicked up.Very slowly under water. No. Slightly decrease in speed, yes. I also agree on that there should be better water effects. First off all, they need to create an engine that allows the things to get destroyed differently every time. It need to look realistic, even though it is just an anime. Being in the dessert should not affect your stats. There should instead be some special effects like sand tracks, holes in the sand, scratchmarks and also some effects between the character and the sand. That would be great:heart:

A Wider area Huge area is a definite plus.
How about being able to go inside the buildings that you see whether in planet namek or in the city-- you should be able to go in there and hide if needed and be able to find some heath upgrades or something and while in their you may sense your opponents **POWER LEVEL** or presence (as well as the opponent) and be able to throw a surprise ki attack the opponent and he wouldnt know what hit him. You should also be able to fight in there as well (for example going into a 6 story building and fighting and stuff--but you could just shoot it down if you'd like)Well, I think you should only be able to get inside and fight in the larger rooms. Then I mean the center of Tree of Might, falling to the ground from Kami's tower etc. I think it would have been kind of cool to have a "hide-mode" where you got an eye-to-the-battlefield view so that you could watch the environments and throw KI blasts at the opponent. However, if the opponent senses you and destroys the object that your inside, then you would take more damage than usual:)

Sagas:
DB:
8 sagasWell, I would like these sagas a lot and I defiantly think they should put them in. However, there would not be that many fights in each saga as some of them only got a few fighters. A lot off it could have been fitted into long and good cutscenes. And cutscenes should of course be just like Budokai 1. And then I mean 90%. The only thing they need to change is.. well, the graphics :) But for the love of God, do not create the cutscenes with the same graphics as it is in-battle.

DBZ:
5 sagasI did actually not think that I should say this in this topic. But that is far too few:haha: They need to split them up in sections throughout every saga mentioned above. They should just take the sagas directly from the DBZ US website. They got all the "second-sagas".

DBGT:
4 sagasAs far as I can see, this is okay. Just make sure that they include a lot of episodes into the sagas, so that we do not miss a lot;)

Movies and Specials:
Specials:
Bardock:The father of Goku
The history of Trunks
Hero's Legacy
Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans
Movies:

DB:
Curse of the Blood Rubies
Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
Mystical Adventure
The Path to Power
DBZ:

Dead Zone
World's strongest
Tree of Might
Lord Slug
Cooler's Revenge
Return of Cooler
Super Android 13
Broly:The legendary Super Saiyan
Bojack Unbound
Broly :2nd coming
Bio Broly
Fusion Reborn
Wrath of the DragonSpecials - Great!
Movies:
Dragon Ball - Do not include those as they are pretty much summaries from the dragonball sagas.
Dragon Ball Z - Include them all, except from Bio-Broly...maybe.
Create a Character:
Summarized: You can make your own what if character.This would of course be a nice feature. I did not want to put nice "little" feature as it actually is pretty big. I would not want this in Tenkaichi 3. Reason? Well, Tenkaichi 3 will be a fighting game. Not a dress-up-doll game. It simply doesn't have any relevance to the game at all:downcast: I think it would be best if they did just make a shop called "Outfit shop" where you could buy different outfits during the game. You would also be able to customize special parts of the clothes, such as boots, wrist-protection, armor etc. But that is really the maximum for how far I would take it:eek:

Create a Saga:
Summarize: How to create a saga.This would only be unnecessary filler in my opinion. They can create what if sagas already before you buy the game. There is no need for such a mode. Creating such what if sagas should remain for the video editing;)

Create a cut-scene:
Summarize: How to create a cutscene.Pretty much the same as above. This is a highly unnecessary feature that would only take time and work for the developing team. Sacrifice this for something else. Something with more important and relevant to the game.

Modes:
Put mini-game modes,and modes that unlock stuff,there should be a mode where you do the story by using villains,EX:
Raditz VS Goku and see what happens if villains would win.The what if sagas should be accessible through completing a saga. Mini-games should be part of a mode like in Budokai 3.

Story
The story mode on Tenkaichi 2 looked like there was no effort put into making it at all. The RPG side of it was good, but I'd like to see every character having their own story mode, whether they only have five to eight battles, or (Goku) probably having something near fifty. If a character only battles once or twice, like Zarbon or Android #19, make them some extra battles that would actually fit into the story. For instance, Zarbon could fight some of the Namekians before fighting Vegeta, or #19 could fight Dr. Gero as testing of his modifications.I think that the story mode should be based off on cutscenes only, just like in Budokai 1. However, it would be nice to also combine the map feature from Budokai 3 which allows you to go around the planet and get to different spots. I think I need to think a bit about this one.

Also, I'd like to see every battle introduced and exited by a clip from the actual show. Like when Vegeta fights #18, it can explain that Vegeta chased after the Androids, and then show a bit of their discussion and they start the fight, then to end it off, Vegeta is cast aside by #18 easily.
Different character's story modes should be unlocked when you get that character through somebody elses story mode.Not clips from the show. But cutscenes, yes indeed. See above for description.

And one final word on characters. There does not need to be 50 Vegetas on BT3.I only see the need of 3 different Vegetas.
1. Sayian Saga (As he must be able to transform into an oozaru)
2. Vegeta
3. GT Vegeta

Okay. I think I will stop there for the moment. There are simply too much to reply on:bulb: I might finish it later though, as I saw that there is quite some big things that needs to get changed. Powerlevel system for an instance. But these ideas are mostly great, but I have tried to suggest and reply to all of them;)

Lightning

03-19-2007, 01:05 PM

Yeah they are very good!

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 01:50 PM

I think I will maybe also make a list:rolleyes: So if anyone wants to share some ideas and get feedback, simply PM me:)

Majin Trunks

03-19-2007, 03:06 PM

I might want Kid Prince Vegeta too.

ss4 Broly`

03-19-2007, 03:37 PM

[quote=Majin Trunks;

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Well im 200% agreeable with this entire idea its like the way dbz is ment to be and one thing i can say is your wrong vegeta the character list can be this big because all they have to do is take the disc data that they have on the other characters and just modifiy them so it really wouldnt be a problem and then just spend time on the newer characters also the create a character idea is great and the environments like you said should be fully destructable and the move special wen you zoom in is also predictable like you said my brothers and friends always dodge this so you might as well just do hand to hand combat its actually more useful i would also like to say that the stories should be FULL not just like 8 things you go to per saga and there should be a time limit wer you just beat raditz and you here the saiyans are coming so you have like maybe a certain amount of time to train and become strong enough to pose a threat to them thats a must in the new game Same with the androids and one more thing about the story when you beat a saga you should not auto matically aquire super saiyan you should have to train very hard to attain it some might say well then the story wont fit like wen you face frieza but wen you do reach this point it wont be possible to pose a threat to frieza without the super saiyan so wat im sayin is that the story mode would be alot more longer and funner instead of just makin it easy for you so i hope some agree with this

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 03:56 PM

Do not quote such large messages >_< Just set something like User: <your message> is it really that difficult?

Mystic Gohan

03-19-2007, 04:00 PM

Thank you.

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 04:19 PM

lol!:haha: do not take it personal^^

ss4 Broly`

03-19-2007, 05:04 PM

Sorry that was an accident i knew i was dpin somethin wrong cause it kept sayin you have used more than 50000 characters please make it small lol sorry guys

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 05:12 PM

No problem. Just click at the edit button and then it is almost gone already:heart: and also, delete the double post;):up:

ss4 Broly`

03-19-2007, 05:15 PM

yeah sorry lol

Kazuha Vinland

03-19-2007, 05:20 PM

hehe:up::p

Oh well. What do you guys think about online multiplayer mode. Should there be anything special, like rapidly updated what ifs which you and a team can join up on?

TacticalMax

03-19-2007, 05:39 PM

I read everything up til lightning and I just want to say that BT3 should be similar to BT2 except more characters, more punch fighting techniques and better arena effects such as rocks crumbling and all that lightning said. Have all the characters in that ever existed in db, dbz and dbz gt put in BT3! Including - Goku and Vegeta juniors. when Goku and vegeta (original) were kids, all gt androids, all forms and looks of trunks, all forms and looks of Goku, all forms and looks for Gohan and add a few other people such as nail and Vegeta's father so on and so on. Have all the chars from BT2 only add more people, the more chars the better even those who dont really affect the story THAT much. I agree with lightning and all but... The fights against the humans should be equal. They should all be equal fighting skills.

ss4 Broly`

03-19-2007, 05:52 PM

Yeah i agree with you vegeta we need online i need it for better competition and the what if idea of yours is brilliant that would be great!!!! kH2 most emotional Game ever

Epyon

03-19-2007, 06:42 PM

SSJ5 Vegeta.....why wouldn't you want a create-a-character mode? That would awesome.

Also, I 100% agree that there should be power levels in the next game, but I just don't see why everyone insists on having the power levels be unrealistic and having a limit of 1,000,000.

As long as the power levels rise more rapidly the higher they get (just like the show) then we're fine.

If the power levels are unrealistic then it still wouldn't feel any more like DBZ than the B3 leveling system.

obeida

03-19-2007, 08:53 PM

Wow i leave like one day and already all this this is excellent but do you really think Atari is looking we need them to see this unless there already looking hmm... nope dont think there listening. Also about the create your own character YOU DON'T WANT IT DON'T PLAY WITH IT IN T3!!!!!

Kamiccolo33

03-20-2007, 02:00 AM

Master Mutaito
Nam
Bacterian
Giran
Android 8
Kid Chi-Chi
Mr.Popo
Ox-King
Bora
Upa
Dracula Man
Invisible Man
Mummy Man
Devil Man
Emperor Pilaf in Pilafborg
Mai in Pilafborg
Piccolo Jr.---Giant---Giant 2
Shu---In Pilafborg
Ranfan
Commander Red
Assistant Black
General White
General Blue
General Copper
Captain Yellow
Captain Silver
Monster Buyon
Murasaki
Sergeant Metallic
Hasky
Teen Goku

The list may be a bit big, like SSJ%Vegeta said. But they need to put effort into this. There are some characters that are unnecessary because they can't really fight up to the standards of DBZ characters. These would be the characters I'd leave out if they had to. And GT Gohan, GT Trunks and GT Vegeta should just be alternate costumes, not different characters. This would save a bit of time.

Just don't cut corners when creating characters, you know what I mean.

And Create-a-character and create-a-saga and all that should not be included, because if they do that, then they won't have time to do other things that are more important to the DBZ game.

Hope they saw that post!

:up:

Ekco_Star

03-20-2007, 02:28 AM

If only dimps or someone was listening that might do something with this. You guys should agree on about a page or 2 of Ideas and see if the Admin could get a way for you gys to send it to Dimps. Or whoever is makin it this time around.

Kazuha Vinland

03-20-2007, 02:36 AM

Budokai series = Dimps
Tenkaichi series = Bandai/Spike

dboy1373

03-20-2007, 02:37 AM

MysticBroly

03-20-2007, 05:12 AM

lol very true. I Say chuck all the Gohans in

Kid Gohan - Oozaru

Gt. Saiyaman

Teen Gohan - SSJ - SSJ2

Adult Gohan - SSJ - SSJ2

Future Gohan - SSJ (Trunks Timeline)

Mystic Gohan

Or what you could do is have Adult Gohan occupying one character slot but have four different Base forms for him. His regular Base form which would allow two transformations, both SSJ and SSJ2. His Gt Saiyaman Base Form which may also include his SSJ/SSJ2 transformation as he showed during the world tourneyment. His Trunks Timeline Base with one arm and a single SSJ transformation and the last with his Mystic Power up. You would obviously only be able to take on one of these forms during a battle.

Or you could simply have it ..

Adult Gohan - Gt Saiyaman - SSJ - SSJ2 - Mystic

ss4 Broly`

03-20-2007, 08:22 AM

Teen Goku is a definite must for the piccolo saga
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/Master_Gogeta/gokuteen.jpg

Kazuha Vinland

03-20-2007, 01:11 PM

Kid Gohan - Unlock Potential
Teen Gohan - SSJ - SSJ2
Adult Gohan - SSJ - SSJ2 - Mystic
Great Saiyaman

ss4 Broly`

03-20-2007, 01:48 PM

just take what transformations they had in b1 and there you go

ChildofGod

03-20-2007, 02:40 PM

Kazuha Vinland

03-20-2007, 02:53 PM

Kinda old, but thanx anyway :)

ss4 Broly`

03-20-2007, 03:16 PM

does this mean there will be no tenkaichi 3 i hope not thats for sure it says that the japaneese version will be out in 08 and it doesnt even say squat about a north american release so this may not be for us man that sucks then we get nothing ahhhh man hope our ideas diddnt get wasted cause i dont wanna wait a year for a game or even 2 years man thad suck

ChildofGod

03-20-2007, 04:12 PM

Well this game didn't have anything to do with Atari, so hopefully there will still be a BT3.

Jiggy37

03-20-2007, 05:06 PM

Sorry guys..if this is old, but there is a new DBZ MMO game coming out and for some reason I think its going to let us down. I just hope its not like WoW or some other MMORPG. Here is the link:

http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=4280

i really want to be excited, but...meh...You know, that game is just another reason I want create-a-character in BT3. I don't like the thought that another DBZ game series is going to come out of nowhere and it will have character creation but the game itself will probably be lame, while BT3 will be a great game but it won't have character creation. I want one game that does it all.
And, besides, if that other company can make that feature, I believe Atari can too. Because this really doesn't look that hard to do to me (look at the bottom part):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/JiggyStar/08747_DBO2_122_426lo.jpg

But I don't know anything about game development, so I guess I could be wrong.

ss4 Broly`

03-20-2007, 07:00 PM

well i hope you guys are right

Epyon

03-20-2007, 09:13 PM

Yeah that is a completely different game.

Donny Clay said a PS3 game is in the works and Dragonball Online is only on the PC.

Kamiccolo33

03-21-2007, 01:57 AM

I'd have to day, Character creation probably wont be, and shouldn't be in T3. What would you guys rather have, heaps of detailed fighters with their own abilities and models, or create a character and all fighters are just a little improved since the last Tenkaichi?

I myself, believe that if they attempted a create-a-character mode, then they'll lose focus on some more important issues for the game. They should just focus on the Dragonball Zness of the game, if that makes any sense.

Buurcule

03-21-2007, 02:18 AM

i'm sorry but i don't want to transform from ss2 gohan to saiyaman
is it really an upgrade. Does he do it in the show. What is the point. Have him toatly seperate. Icould understand gohan--ss gohan-ss2gohan-mistic gohan but saiyaman isn't an upgrade its just gohan with a costum on

Yeah, your right. I hate it how Great Saiyaman is a transformation. It should be a separate character, or it could even be a costume.

And could someone help me please?
How do you get the site to stop sending emails when I post or subscribe to a forum? :haha::haha:

Kazuha Vinland

03-21-2007, 02:21 AM

Kamiccolo33

03-21-2007, 02:55 AM

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::)
Someone agrees! Well, it's common sense isn't it SSJ5Vegeta. And besides, they can get their fix of creating a character when this DBOnline hits the western world.

MysticBroly

03-21-2007, 05:29 AM

this is PS3 baby bigger is better. Create a character needs to be a feature. 100 + characters is all fine and dandy but come on who really needs all those damn characters like Guldo and Cui next thing you'll have Pan's gay little robot as a playable character. Its pointless in having 20 odd characters that can't even compete with the others.

I mean come on if you don't like the feature just don't use it.. but picture making your very own character and having him go up against the likes of Goku and Vegeta. I mean Superman vs Goku lol that'll be f--kin awesome.

They'll have so many people working on this game that no corners will need to be cut in order to develop this feature. You're all just being pessimistic.

Kamiccolo33

03-21-2007, 06:09 AM

What do you mean who wants characters like Guldo and Cui? We get sick of playing as Goku all the time. We want a large diversity of characters rather than some totally made up character.

Don't get me wrong, I won't have a problem with create-a-character as long as the rest of the game (that actually matters in the end) is 100%.:haha::haha:

Hey?!??....these guys are moving!:eek::eek::rolleyes::cry::confused::bored::up:

Epyon

03-21-2007, 10:12 AM

I don't see why adding create-a-character would make the developers lose all their focus on the other things.

Is it really that hard to implement?

Zellgadis

03-21-2007, 11:40 AM

Yeah, your right. I hate it how Great Saiyaman is a transformation. It should be a separate character, or it could even be a costume.

He's not a transformation, he's just an alternate base from Adult Gohan. You can't transform into him from SSJ2, you have to start as him and you can only revert back to base and then power back up to SSJ+. The only thing I might change is to be able to transform directly from Great Saiyaman into a SSJ/SSJ2 like he did before he was about to rip the limbs off Spopovich. But I think he's fine where he is. Until they take away Teen Gohan's NSFHS, and change Adult Gohan's movelist so it's not the same attacks 3 times in a row, then I'll just be using the other Gohans.

Kazuha Vinland

03-21-2007, 12:40 PM

You are able to transform into Saiyamen O.o Just press R3 + ->

Zellgadis

03-21-2007, 02:43 PM

From a SSJ2?

Kazuha Vinland

03-21-2007, 04:51 PM

Not so sure. I do only remember that I once transformed from base to Saiyaman O_o But you might be able from SSJ2 as well.

ss4 Broly`

03-21-2007, 05:09 PM

well dont get me wrong donny clay said theres a game for the ps3 it doesnt nessecarily mean its dbz im not disagreeing but lets say it is for the ps3 ok but it could change systems over time you know what i mean?

Zellgadis

03-21-2007, 05:52 PM

Not so sure. I do only remember that I once transformed from base to Saiyaman O_o But you might be able from SSJ2 as well.

I never even thought I could do that, I'll have to try that out. Thanks.

css vega

03-21-2007, 06:02 PM

Guys heres a link to a site with alot of great suggestions http://forums.supercheats.com/topic.php?topic=42487&page=1
ps they always finish series on same console the first ones on. Wii release was just side release.

css vega

03-21-2007, 06:15 PM

I totally agree with you Epyon.

ps sorry for this a double post

ChildofGod

03-22-2007, 12:19 AM

I said it once before, I'll say it again. They have soo much space...why not use it? Why not try their best to put all of these great ideas in the game? This is Next Gen...come on.

Kamiccolo33

03-22-2007, 12:20 AM

Welcome to the forums css vega.:) You can just edit a post next time, but I've made this beginners mistake when I first joined. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.

Does anybody think Guldo should actually have his time freeze? Where he actually freezing time.

It could work like this. It's classed as a technique, so he can use it freely through battle, but there will be limits. Like, it requires Blast 1 points or similar, depending if they change the system (hopefully.)

Everything else in the level should pause, Guldo can move freely as he holds his breath. As Guldo moves, on the enemy's screen it appears Guldo hasn't moved at all. If Guldo moves out of the enemies view the enemy automatically locks off of Guldo.

While in time freeze, the factor that keeps it going is his blast 1 bar. If he reaches 0, then the time freeze stops. Therefore, if you use it with only a little blast 1 points, then it will end quickly, if you use it with more, it will give you some time to move.

As soon as Guldo uses an attack, the time freeze stops, to keep it moderately fair. This will come in handy if guldo wants to move around or hide or perform a sneak attack.

Let me know what you think...:haha::cry::o (I like these little smilies now that they move. Let me know I'm not the crazy one):)

css vega

03-22-2007, 01:33 AM

Yo ChildofGod the thing is it would be ps2 because they always finish the series on the same console the first one was on ok.

Kamiccolo33

03-22-2007, 01:39 AM

Yo ChildofGod the thing is it would be ps2 because they always finish the series on the same console the first one was on ok.

But they're working on next generation consoles now, so that is probably untrue. They specifically said they are working on a DBZ PS3 title, so that could be T3. I doubt they'd bring it to PS2 because that could only just handle T2 as it was, and it doesn't have much room for improvement on that console.

Kazuha Vinland

03-22-2007, 02:46 AM

Not this again. PS2 = Tenkaichi 2, PS3 = Tenkaichi 3

Kamiccolo33

03-22-2007, 05:33 AM

I'm quite sick of talking about which console it is going to be on as well. So let's just end it here and now and say, this is the thread for ideas, not arguments about the console! There, that should do it.

Ok, this idea is in my thread. If you want to see more of my ideas, be sure to check it out.

BUILD-UP MODE
Just going over some basics again first. There are the stats the power level is made up of. The total number of stats below equals your PL.

POWER LEVEL - (is an equation of all the stats below)

Health - stat controlling amount of health
Ki - stat controlling amount of energy
Technique - stat controlling speed which the tech bar fills up (tech acts as blast 1 bar)
Transform - stat controlling speed of which transform bar fills (how soon can transform, how fast it recovers) Bar will allow some transformations to be easy to go to.
Regeneration - stat controlling speed of which health and energy recovers

Strength - stat controlling influence on physical attacks
Power - stat controlling influence on ki based attacks
Defence - stat controlling influence on defense against physical attacks
Resistance - stat controlling influence on defence against ki based attacks
Speed - stat controlling influence on overall speed

Charge - stat controlling speed of which ki is gathered
Evade - stat controlling ability to evade attacks
Ability - stat controlling effectiveness of abilities (solar flare, afterimage...etc.)
Blast - stat controlling effectiveness of finishing moves (kamehameha etc..)
Ultimate - stat controlling effectiveness of ultimate moves (spirit bomb, big bang attack etc...)

Training- stat controlling how fast the character is able to level up. This stat can only be changed by capsules put on the character which raise it.

OK. Here is how these stats will be influenced during story mode battles etc. where you can level up. Stats are raised by performing each of these requirements. You can refer to how the stats affect your character above.

But just to make clear, these stats will not go up EACH time you do the requirements in battle. There should be some level of restraint as to how often they go up, I'll leave that up to them.

Health - being heavily damaged in battle
Ki - using large amounts of ki attacks in battle, charing ki attacks, depleting ki bar
Technique - using large amounts of techniques in battle
Transform - transforming and depleting the transformation bar
Regeneration - recovering from damage to full health again

Strength - succeeding in using physical based attacks
Power - succeeding in using ki based attacks
Defence - succeed in defending against physical based attacks
Resistance - succeed in defending against ki based attacks
Speed - performing dashes towards opponent with smashes, speed boosting items

Charge - charging ki for large amounts of time, charging to full ki
Evade - succeed in evading attacks
Ability - succeed in using techniques in battle
Blast - succeed in using finishing moves in battle that are not defended against
Ultimate - succeed in using ultimate moves to KO enemy in battle

Training- can only be changed with capsules that speed up the rate of which stats increase. Shouldn't be able to increase rate more than 10%.

Should be able to increase it by:
2% - takes up 1 slot
5% - takes up 2 slot
10% - takes up 3 slots

css vega

03-22-2007, 06:51 AM

the thing is alot of people say ps3 blows me I just think it's a bit to expensive. It could be or it could be a entire new series and who knows it could for the Wii too or it could a Wii exlusive game I mean bt3 and maybe a new series on the ps3.

Lightning

03-22-2007, 08:27 AM

No lets settle this right now!

The Playstation 2 as well as the Xbox & Gamecube with the amount of space on the Disk as well as the
Graphical Power and Processing Power will not be able to handle the amount of requests & demand for
the next DB Game. That is a clear fact! Here is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28sixth_generation%29.

The ones that should get it are the Playstation 3, and mabye the Xbox 360 (notice I said 'mabye') as
the amount of Disk Space, Graphical Power, and Processing Power easily prove these Consoles will
easily pull off what we want to see in the next Game! Here is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28seventh_generation%29

Welcome to the forums css vega.:) You can just edit a post next time,
but I've made this beginners mistake when I first joined. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.

Does anybody think Guldo should actually have his time freeze? Where he actually freezing time.

It could work like this. It's classed as a technique, so he can use it freely through battle, but there will
be limits. Like, it requires Blast 1 points or similar, depending if they change the system (hopefully.)

Everything else in the level should pause, Guldo can move freely as he holds his breath. As Guldo
moves, on the enemy's screen it appears Guldo hasn't moved at all. If Guldo moves out of the enemies
view the enemy automatically locks off of Guldo.

While in time freeze, the factor that keeps it going is his blast 1 bar. If he reaches 0, then the time
freeze stops. Therefore, if you use it with only a little blast 1 points, then it will end quickly, if you use
it with more, it will give you some time to move.

As soon as Guldo uses an attack, the time freeze stops, to keep it moderately fair. This will come in
handy if guldo wants to move around or hide or perform a sneak attack.

Let me know what you think...:haha::cry::o (I like these little smilies now that they move. Let me know I'm not the crazy one):)

Kamicollo33, I said this on Page 1 of my Ideas that he should have this ability.

And I agree with the way you laid it out with him holding his breath, the evnvironment just dead still,
and him getting a limit to how long he can hold his breath until the Time Freeze stops. When this
happens the screen which is a blur should (like NFS: Most Wanted & NFS: Carbon after coming out of a
Slow Motion) start to come back to it's normal feel! He should also (like the Series) start to move
around and attack his opponents in whatever way he desires.

He should also (like Captain Ginyu, Frieza, Cell, Janemba) use Psycokenesis (the ability to move any
object with your mind) as he demonstrated when fighting Gohan & Krillin. Then focusing on any object,
lift it up & throw it like a Weapon to hit or land on anything he feels like!

Zellgadis

03-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Guldo definately needs that power. He's too pathetic in this game.

On a side note, I'm gonna go on a short rant about what's wrong with BT2.

1) Now that you brought up telekinesis powers - ENOUGH with the psychic or giant rock throw. The environments should have objects, like cars, or even rocks and ice boulders that are kicked up and created during the fight to be picked up and thrown at your opponent if you have those powers or are big like in an ape - or anyone that's strong enough for that matter! Not sure of this is canon, but when Majin Vegeta initially attacked Fat Buu, he did with using spiked rocks from the ground. A small-azz rock appearing out of nowhere is retarded. There should be a button combination to pick up objects to be thrown. The environments have to be much more interactive.

2) Cutscene Hellzone Grenade, Energy Barrage Volleys, etc all of that has to be removed. It is very rare that any attacks in the show followed your opponent. Therefore, to do them they have to step up and make regular Ki blasts do more damage and be able to fire an unlimited amount so long as your energy desires. THAT should be your energy barrage.

3) I like how in BT2 not all Ki blasts are entirely on target up close. I think they shouldn't follow you at all, you should have to time when you fire them like in the show. If they follow you, it gives the opponent a chance to catch you deflecting them away, blocking them, or getting hit so he can fire a blast or rush. GHEY!!

4) Unblockable attacks that follow you = 'nuff said.

5) Not losing energy (ki) after failing to land a rush attack is unfair. What's the point of an explosive wave if they can just sit there and wait for it to end to do it again? It should be like in BT1 where if you missed, you lost the energy. Or they can just take them out all together, like I want. To replace instant cutscene rushes, they can have button combinations that you are required to hit to activate a rush combo, provided you have enough energy. Just like when Fighting Trunks enters into his 2nd combo string, his punches are much faster - it could follow something like that.

It's very easy to win at this game if you exploit the things I mentioned here.

Super 4 Vegeta

03-22-2007, 02:55 PM

Here's my idea for Goku's spirit bomb!

-Pretty much the same system as BT2.

1. He should be able to clash with small balls if powered by 1 "Give me your engergy" and large balls with 2-3.

2. If you press the transform button during spirit bomb and contain Super Saiyan then you should perform a super spirit bomb if you used it twice.

3. If you transform to super saiyan and do not use your 2-3 "Give me your energy" charged spirit bomb instead of just dissapearing your ultimate should be "Super Spirit Bomb Explosion Wave" like in Movie 7.

4. If you transform beyond Super Saiyan then your ultimate should absorb the spirit bomb, and all stats should go up for a brief amount of time keeping you in Max Power mode longer, and raising attack power and everything else to a much higher level.
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Here's my idea for Character's Blast 2 Moves!

1. Add 4 blast 2 moves for some character, and an ultimate blast.

2. At least 2 blast 2 moves for each character, and an ultimate blast.
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Here's my idea for Rushes!

1. All rushes should be short range, no other side of the enviornment rushes which are too cheap.

2. A long range rush (if it must exist) should take at least 4 ki bars.
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Here's my idea for Teleportation!

1. Like in B3 you should be able to teleport in back of people if you have 2 bars of ki and could teleport in the Anime (Great Saiyaman 2 should not count).

2. They should add many more combos including teleportation combos that appear like Android 13's "Silent Assasin," but of course are much shorter in length.
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Here's my Enviornment Ideas!

1. Weather should play a more active role, if it is raining it should be tough to see the screen and attacks should be less accurate.

2. Areas with lava should hurt the characters by erupting onto them if close to a volcano, but not a one hit KO by running into a lava pool.

3. Wind should play a part like rain, but obviously not obstructing the screen.

4. If looking directly at a close star (what I mean is a Sun), it should blind the screen slightly.

5. A level with snow should be added which interacts by covering the characters nocked into it, but no real affect on characters. Snowy days should act as rain.

6. The hyperbolic time chamber should have all these attributes randomly changing.
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My Ideas on Health!

1. Some characters should have more health and defense than others, in dueling mode you should be able to choose how much health a character has but not the defense which you never see.

2. Health should be distributed by Energy level not whatever they used in BT2. e.g. Super 17 should have more health than Dodoria, but Frieza, Cooler and Cell could have close to the same health.
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My Ideas on Character Creation!

-Even though I used to hate character creation for DBZ, I have been convinced by people on the forums and playing other CC(character creation games).

1. You should be able to choose your Species, and completely customize your characters with attire DBZ characters did not necessarily wear.

2. It might be difficult to create new moves but you should be able to choose a beam used by another character and change it to any color, and name you choose. e.g. You choose Kamehameha and normally it is blue, but you choose yellow and call it Ki Blast.

3. You should be able to choose the size of your character from small(Pan) to medium(Goku) to large(Super 17) to huge(Great Ape) to Really Huge(Hirudegarn).

4. You should be able to choose how fat or muscular your character is Normal(Goku), Fat(Dodoria), or muscular like Broly.

5. You should be able to create 1 Alternate outfit per created character, and should be able to create 10 characters.
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This is the End of Most of my Ideas. All DBZ characters should be added except obviously stupid ones like "Farmer with Shotgun", and peole from "Plan to Eradicate All Saiyans"!

Gogetenks ssj4

03-22-2007, 03:16 PM

first of all a big salute to all the dragonball z fans out there! second,suggestions for the BT3:
-why shouldn't they make BT3 a dbz unique game,never before seen in the other dbz games before, adding its OWN sagas,a system where you can build your own character and travel to other planets conquering or saving them...this way players could put the abilities they love the most to their very own character and that ability will grow stronger as you use it more and more often.The game should feature your own legacywhere you are born from a distant race which nobody has heard of and you make your way through the universe seeking to battle the strongest(this way you meet with the people of earth and all the Zfighters) and as you progress through the game your karma will become either good or bad depending on the good/bad deeds done in the game, and as your karma changes so will your appearance and your abilities.

-and make BT3 online (it would totally make my dream come true)

Maybe my ideas are stupid,or maybe they have a little spark...cya guys

css vega

03-22-2007, 06:06 PM

There is character I really wanna see is Hatchhyack.
heres the article:
Dragon Ball Z Gaiden Saiyajin Zetsumetsu Keikaku

Plan to Destroy the Saiyajin
Written by Takao Koyama (story)
Starring Masako Nozawa (Son Gokk / Son Gohan / Tullece)
Ryo Horikawa (Vegeta)
Toshio Furukawa (Piccolo)
Takeshi Kusao (Trunks)
Hiromi Tsuru (Bulma)
Naoko Watanabe (Chi Chi)
Toku Nishio (Mr. Popo)
Tomiko Suzuki (Dende)
Ryuusei Nakao (Freeza / Coola)
Hisao Egawa (Monster / Goddo Gadon)
Yuusaku Yara (Slug)
Shinji Ogawa (Dr. Raichi)
Joji Yanami (Kaiosama / Narration)
Distributed by Bandai
Release date(s) August, 1993
Running time 60 minutes
Language Japanese

[edit] Synopsis
Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
Dr. Raichi is the only survivor of the Tsufurujin (Tuffles in the FUNimation dub), a race that once lived on Planet Plant, before the coming of the Saiyajin (Saiyans in the English dubs). The Saiyajin not only massacred the entire Tsufurujin race, but also stole their technology and conquered the planet, renaming it Vegeta in honor of their king. Raichi managed to escape with a capsule and found refuge on a nearby planet in a galaxy with no light, the Dark Planet. His only wish is to eradicate the last remaining Saiyans.

To do this, Dr. Raichi puts devices on the planet that destroy all life. When Mr. Popo finds out that only a few hours are left, Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo rush to destroy the evil devices. They manage destroy all but one. Suddenly, Freeza, Coola, Tullece and Lord Slug appear and they engage the heroes in a fight (Goku VS Coola, Trunks VS Freeza, Gohan VS Tullece and Piccolo VS Lord Slug). It was revealed by North Kaio that the villains were ghost warriors, and would continually come back to life when slain, unless they were defeated in the same way they were originally killed.

The heroes track down Dr. Raichi to the Dark Planet and engage him, discovering that his ghost warriors are generated by a machine called Hatchhyack, a device powered by the hate of the Tsufurujin. It is also revealed that Dr. Raichi is also a ghost warrior, generated by Hatchhyack. When Vegeta vaporizes Raichi, preventing him from re-materializing, Hatchhyack appears in a powerful android body, whose power might even exceed Broly's, according to Goku. Hatchhyack devastates the heroes, until the Super Saiyajin all combine their powers together into one massive wave of energy that defeats him, ending the threat of the ghost warriors.

[edit] Notes
This is an OVA, first released on VHS in August 1993, just after the Famicom game Dragon Ball Z Gaiden: Saiya-jin Zetsumetsu Keikaku. Indeed, this OVA was a sort of "animated walkthrough" for the Famicom game. In 1994, the footage of this OVA was turned into a digital comic (a video game entirely made of animated sequences, in which the player's only task is to choose between several options to go to the next sequence) for the Playdia. The OVA has been re-released in 2003 in Japan as an extra feature in the "Dragon Box" DVD boxed set.

Returning villains include: Tullece, Lord Slug, Freeza and Coola. The Tsufurujin race have made their appearance in Dragon Ball GT.

The OVA's timeline occurs after Broly's first appearance, but before Bojack's movie. Future Trunks has trimmed his hair, and fights with the same Saiyajin armor Vegeta uses in the JinzM'ningen to Cell saga. Goku did mention Broly's name in the OVA. However, Goku appears to be very much alive in this OVA when he should not be due to his death in the fight with Cell.

The box cover has Gohan posing as a Super Saiyan 2. In the OVA Gohan does not ascend to this level.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/Raichimonster.jpg/150px-Raichimonster.jpg

SuperSaiyan1000

03-22-2007, 07:41 PM

why did you right that here? the only thing that i saw that was somewhat useful to this thread was "There is character I really wanna see is Hatchhyak". everything else should be in some other thread...

and Super Saiyan 4 vegeta, all your ideas are really good. the one thing i don't really like is the Goku's spirit bomb idea. even if you used one "Give me your strength", it should be strong enough to go against large ball attacks. everything else is good.

Epyon

03-22-2007, 09:19 PM

Here's my idea for Teleportation!

1. Like in B3 you should be able to teleport in back of people if you have 2 bars of ki and could teleport in the Anime (Great Saiyaman 2 should not count).

You should only be able to pull this off if timed just perfect like in BT2. Whenever I play B3 both players just stand there waiting for the other to attack so they can counter. Either this or it should just be more difficult.

-why shouldn't they make BT3 a dbz unique game,never before seen in the other dbz games before, adding its OWN sagas,a system where you can build your own character and travel to other planets conquering or saving them...this way players could put the abilities they love the most to their very own character and that ability will grow stronger as you use it more and more often.The game should feature your own legacywhere you are born from a distant race which nobody has heard of and you make your way through the universe seeking to battle the strongest(this way you meet with the people of earth and all the Zfighters) and as you progress through the game your karma will become either good or bad depending on the good/bad deeds done in the game, and as your karma changes so will your appearance and your abilities.

This is almost exactly what Zellgadis and myself have said.

Just go to page 58 and look for my longest post. I completely outlined what the Ultimate DBZ Game would be. It's a lot like your idea.

MysticBroly

03-22-2007, 10:04 PM

hmmm after playing a lot of password characters you start to see the same thing over and over again. Therefore i would like a much much broader range of z items with much more unique and different abilities for each. Also there should be a limit on certain items i.e. no 5 kiss of 18's :) that is all for now

Kamiccolo33

03-23-2007, 01:34 AM

MysticBroly

03-23-2007, 05:24 AM

Ok Heres my list.. this is probably my last contribution to this page

Game modes..

Story mode - RPG based and will include an all new co-op mode which will be based around the main two characters of each saga, with other characters being included in mini story modes within these sagas. Each saga will include a large number of ‘what if’ scenarios. Some will inter relate with other ‘what if’ scenarios featured later on. DBZ Music and Cutscenes would need to be incorporated in the story mode also. .

Online Mode. - Title pretty much covers it.

Ranking Mode. - Similar to B3 in which your characters make their way up the rankings. This would also have a co-op version, tag version and team version. Characters and the top of the rankings would be near godly and virtually impossible to beat without having an immense amount of skill.

VS Mode. - The new feature here would be the multiplayer battles that everyone desperately wants. This will include up to four players all playing at once on double split screens, whether 2 vs 2, 3 vs 1 or all on all, (which by the way would be insanely awesome)

Practice Mode. - Ok this would basically be the same as BT2 but much more advanced. It would include the training mode where you are taught all the basics plus the updated practice mode with the new co-op mode in which you can practice moves with another player. You can also work on your countering and defensive techniques much easier as you can select what type of offensive techniques your CPU opponent will use.

Tournament Mode - Basically the same as BT2.

Item Shop - Purchase all your favourite character equip capsules. There would be a much broader and unique range of items available this time round. All items will actually be useful this time around rather than having a bunch of pointless items that no one will ever use EVER.

Create-Mode - ok. The icing on the cake. Similar to create a wrestler in smackdown games but not that complex. A Simple ‘select between a number body types, skin tones, hair styles, facial characteristics, battle attire’ etc. etc. This will be accompanied by a create a move set aswell.

Ok Thats the main stuff out of the way..

Available Characters
Now since this is Tenkaichi it is obvious that the cast of characters will exceed all previous games beforehand. This is fine by me personally i would be happy (if not happier) with a cast of about 60-80 of only the important characters. I really don’t need 5 versions of Vegeta or Gohan.I also wouldn’t mind it if Guldo or Cui didn’t make a repeat appearance. There are a few characters i would like to see make there first appearance on a Tenkaichi game.

These characters include.. Olibu, Chi Chi, Hirudegarn 1st Form, Nova & Ice Shenron, King Vegeta, GT Goten, (just cos he a pimp) it will also include a lot of Non Playable characters as well i.e. Puar, Mr Popo, Ox King Korin etc.

Available Stages..
Ok.. Hmmm new stages i would include would be. HFIL, Inside Buu, Otherworld, i.e. King Kai’s planet, snake way, king yemma’s palace etc, Planet Vegeta, Babidi’s Ship.

Misc. New Features.

Larger, more interactive and more destructible environments, inter-related maps i.e. The ability to move from once environment to another mid battle. e.g. Fighting in the mountains then branching off towards the glaciers, or fighting on King kai’s planet then taking the battle to snake highway and eventually king yemma or even below to HFIL. (obviously wouldn’t work in multiplayer battles though.)

New levelling up system based on Power levels. Characters would be ranked based on Power levels, they would be able to raise these by competing in story or ranking modes. Power level would be based on your characters attribute levels. These would include Health, Ki, Attack, Defense, etc.. Not so much a total but more of an average. Most of the stats would also have to be reworked as a few of them were practically pointless in BT2. Ki especially needs to have a much greater effect on battles than it did in BT2. I.e. Your Ki level should be similar to your health levl whereas you have a certain limit before you can no longer continue, therefore requiring more tactical use rather than infinite blast 2‘s over and over again. Speed also needs to have more of a significance. I believe if your character is clearly superior in speed over your opponent this should be shown in battle with either an enhanced ability to dodge or evade. Or a delayed reaction in dodging or evading by your opponent.

Power sensing and Suppressing. This would be a new feature that could be used in story mode or multiplayer modes whereas you can raise or suppress your power levels in attempts to either hide, draw out an opponent, or try and scare an opponent off by showing superiority.

More advanced combo systems, more real time action, ie. less automated attacks or shorter ones. more intense battle graphics

Xeno_Rufus

03-23-2007, 06:23 AM

Know I'm sure dozens of people have said this already, but I would like to see a more destruction! Just smashing someone into the ground and leaving a crater makes me happy ^_^. I wish the destruction wasn't already set too, I wish it was something that varies every time you do it. Also one thing I would love to see is a character creation thing where you can actually create your own fighter, his name, looks, skills, specials...yada yada.

css vega

03-23-2007, 06:36 AM

SuperSaiyan1000 if you read closely you'll descover he's stronger than broly.

Epyon

03-23-2007, 12:13 PM

A players level should have more of a DBZ feel, so instead of Lv 1 - 160, why not call it a Power Level instead and make it from something like:

10 000 - 9 999 999

This way you can spend an lot of time levelling up a character. And you have the sense of ultimate training.

I just don't understand why you want a limit of 1,000,000.

Like I said before, you should be able to go as high as SSJ4 Gojeta went (or whomever was the strongest in the show).

If you think it would take too long, remember that power levels increase more rapidly as they increase. So going from 1,000 to 2,000 would take as long as getting from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 and so on...

You said before that you didn't want to go beyond 1,000,000 because it would be unbalanced. I don't understand what you mean.

If there is a limit of 1,000,000 it still would be unrealistic and thus would take away the whole DBZ feel in my opinion. And that's the point of having it.

I want to reach 10,000,000 and be like, "Nice, I'm as strong as SSJ Goku now." But with your idea I would only be like 100,000 and that would take away the whole point of measuring myself against the actual characters from the show.

Kazuha Vinland

03-23-2007, 01:06 PM

Zellgadis

03-23-2007, 03:24 PM

I agree with everything except the point that going from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 should not be the same as from 1,000 to 2,000. You should have to do more battles than normal in order to level up that high IMO.

It still should take a good amount of time to be able to increase one's base power level to 2,000,000 from 1,000,000 - but basically what Epyon is saying is that power levels increase by a percentage. The stronger you are - the more gravity you can handle to become stronger quicker, the more training you can endure before exhaustion, the bigger the beating you can take and thus the bigger power boost when rejuvenated, etc. Power levels are not linear since it does not take as much work to go from 545,000 to 550,000 as it does to get from 5,000 to 10,000. Still a 5,000 increase, but through a specific percentage (depending on character) it's much easier to increase the same amount of power the stronger you get.

Niiiiceee.

Gogetenks ssj4

03-23-2007, 04:33 PM

how much time would it take to actually make such a game?:alien:

Nate321

03-23-2007, 04:38 PM

Seems like most of our ideas are being pored into other dbz games, check out www.myfavoritegames.com and you will see what i mean

Mack-Tien

03-23-2007, 04:40 PM

I have a feeling that BT3 will not even come close to appetizing fans. Its going to be some lackadaisacal effort by spike to try to make the game good. They dont know about dragonballz as much as pure fans do. They just know what they saw and read. I highly doubt that they took the time to look at every episode of dragonball,z, and gt. Its going to be the same game is BT2 but with a little better graphics and some earth shaking moves. No super destruction or great looking charge ups. And it probably will have a bad cast too. Wishful thinking is wanting it to be a little like the series.

OLD SCHOOL

03-23-2007, 05:12 PM

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF U TAKE UR CUSTOM CHARACTER TO TRAINING IN THE HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER HE GETS STRONGER AND JUST LIKE IN THE SO A DAY IS A YEAR AND WHEN UR DONE IT TELLS U HOW MANY YEARS U TRAINED AND THE LEVEL HIS POWER RAISED TO I DONT KNOW IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN BRUNG UP BUT WHAT DO U THINK I WANT U GUYS IMPUT

majinwarrior24

03-23-2007, 05:17 PM

ya I like the idea but it shouldn't be affective in all modes like dueling for example.And why do you type in Capslock?

OLD SCHOOL

03-23-2007, 05:21 PM

ya I like the idea but it shouldn't be affective in all modes like dueling for example.And why do you type in Capslock?

I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD DONT U

dboy1373

03-23-2007, 05:56 PM

they should have 100 to 10,000,000 as the levels
like in the show and if you have a scouter you
can see what the characters level is
also they should have downloadable content
like you can download other characters for a dollar
or arenas or something for 5
all of the systems have internet and hard drives
also i can't stress this enough
have dragonball in storymode but you shouldn't be able to fly
they didn't fly untill piccolo jr. saga
create a character mode i wouldn't mind

DonClayFan4Life

03-23-2007, 06:40 PM

Overall:
My suggestion for BT3 would be to have every single character in the anime playable, yes... that means I want to use the announcer from the cell games to whoop on Broly. Every character should be in there no matter how insignificant, just use the same animations and no voices for the few characters that don't have a big role in the series (oolong would be cool, because he can transform into whatever he wants, same with puar).

Also, more costumes! I want to see Vegeta with his cool pink BADMAN shirt on (even tho he has it on in the BT2 menu, it still has to be ingame XD), and goku with his capsule corp. spacesuit, small things like that would be really cool to see, attention to detail is a must, people really notice these kinds of things.

During a fight, not everything has to be "BRING IT ON!" or like "I'm going to kill you", or "I am the prince of all saiyans". Not all the fights have to start out all crazy like that, it could be light hearted or humorous aswell, and would still work.

Get Akira Toriyama to draw some real menu pictures please, or use cels from the actual show XD, some of the drawings in BT2 are painful, and don't look real at all.

Gameplay:
I'd want to see some sort of Rebound feature, like if you get blasted into a wall, or mountain, you should be able to press block to recover and jump off that wall/mountain at about the same speed or faster (would be cool if you can charge the jump) that you were flying towards it.

Visuals:
I would like to see bigger explosions, DBZ is all about explosions, huge explosions, and lots of dust and debris (expescially when powering up). No more poofs of smoke when an energy blast hits the floor in BT3 please.

Physics, hopefully in BT3 there will be some sort of real IK physics involved, no more stiff fighting/damage animations. If a character punches but gets kicked in the stomach at the same time, his/her arm should be out and the other players foot should be stretched out the opponents back (watch the piccolo vs android 17 fight haha, we need more of this stuff). Well maybe not that exaggerated, but you know, thier arm should be out, and the animation shouldn't cut to a regular damage animation instantly.

Better facial expressions, just copy and past from the anime if your having trouble, and copy off that.

Last but not least, we need some actual face recognition in BT3, so the player can be fully emersed in the frantic and powerful battles of DBZ. Here are some Examples:

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i376020_kame.JPG

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i375998_spec.JPG

:up:

Can't wait till BT3 comes out! :cool:

Jiggy37

03-23-2007, 07:26 PM

how much time would it take to actually make such a game?:alien:I think some people are getting their hopes up impossibly high... Things like power levels and more characters can be done, but some people want like these huge stages the size of a GTA city, and you can make craters all over the place, and you can choose to fly or stay strictly on the ground and there are different mechanics for each style, and the physics are completely realistic, and there are 90+ characters not counting transformations, and all the characters have completely different moves with nothing repeated between any of them, and the story mode uses scenes from the anime, and you can have at least four people fighting on screen at once... That's all just enormous. That seems like it would take four years even for a team of 300+ people.

Kamiccolo33

03-23-2007, 07:42 PM

I just don't understand why you want a limit of 1,000,000.

Like I said before, you should be able to go as high as SSJ4 Gojeta went (or whomever was the strongest in the show).

If you think it would take too long, remember that power levels increase more rapidly as they increase. So going from 1,000 to 2,000 would take as long as getting from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 and so on...

You said before that you didn't want to go beyond 1,000,000 because it would be unbalanced. I don't understand what you mean.

If there is a limit of 1,000,000 it still would be unrealistic and thus would take away the whole DBZ feel in my opinion. And that's the point of having it.

I want to reach 10,000,000 and be like, "Nice, I'm as strong as SSJ Goku now." But with your idea I would only be like 100,000 and that would take away the whole point of measuring myself against the actual characters from the show.

No no no. As it says on my post, it's 10,000 - 9,999,999. Characters like Chaiotzu and Krillin start at 13,000 or 14,000. As you unlock characters, the unlocked ones will be stronger becasue you get them later on in the game, not making them weak compared to the other characters you have already unlocked. So like, Frieza is unlocked at 80,000, Cell is unlocked at 200,000, Buu is unlocked at 300,000, and Omega Shenron is unlocked at 700,000.

But my reason for 10,000 - 9,999,999, is that if somebody wants a Power Level of up to 100,000,000, then when they are versing someone with a Power Level of 1,000,000 even, the power difference will be SO much that it won't be a fight, it will be throw a volley of punches and he's dead.

So if its 10,000 - 9,999,999 it is still a large range, while still not varying SO much that it gets ridiculous. But those with a higher power level compared to a smaller one will still have a great advantage. But you never know, the lower PL character might still be able to win by tactics.

And keep in mind Power Levels don't represent anybody's power level from the show, it just replaces the boring old level system T2 had, and it has a real DBZ feel.

Now its not like "Levelling up from 10,000 to 20,000 and then from 500,000 to 600,000." It all depends on your actual stat increase after a battle. So after a battle, parts of your stats increase depending on what you do in battle.

So, your PL is equal to the sum of all your stats.

POWER LEVEL - (is an equation of all the stats below)

Health - stat controlling amount of health
Ki - stat controlling amount of energy
Technique - stat controlling speed which the tech bar fills up (tech acts as blast 1 bar)
Transform - stat controlling speed of which transform bar fills (how soon can transform, how fast it recovers) Bar will allow some transformations to be easy to go to.
Regeneration - stat controlling speed of which health and energy recovers

Strength - stat controlling influence on physical attacks
Power - stat controlling influence on ki based attacks
Defence - stat controlling influence on defense against physical attacks
Resistance - stat controlling influence on defence against ki based attacks
Speed - stat controlling influence on overall speed

Charge - stat controlling speed of which ki is gathered
Evade - stat controlling ability to evade attacks
Ability - stat controlling effectiveness of abilities (solar flare, afterimage...etc.)
Blast - stat controlling effectiveness of finishing moves (kamehameha etc..)
Ultimate - stat controlling effectiveness of ultimate moves (spirit bomb, big bang attack etc...)

Training- stat controlling how fast the character is able to level up. This stat can only be changed by capsules put on the character which raise it. This does not effect Power Level.

The MAX each stat can grow before it will not go up any more is 666,666. And having it so large means that there is no noticeable difference from having a Speed stat of 1 compared to 2, but there is a real difference from 1 compared to 50.

So I hope you understand what I'm getting at now. In summary:

-All stats added up equal your Power Level.
-Certain stats increase depending on what you did in that battle.
-Your Power Level can be MAXED out to 99,999,999.
-Power Levels do not represent any true power level from the show.

Hope that's made it easier.

I agree with everything except the point that going from 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 should not be the same as from 1,000 to 2,000. You should have to do more battles than normal in order to level up that high IMO.

It should not, I agree, and I wasn't saying that. It's your actual stats that increase, and all of them added up equal your Power Level. So you might go from 589,880 > 589,889 because your Attack Stat + 2, and your Defence Stat + 3, your Technique Stat +3 and your Speed Stat + 1.

So it takes a long time to get to a MAX PL of 9,999,999. It takes a lot of hard work and training.

they should have 100 to 10,000,000 as the levels
like in the show and if you have a scouter you
can see what the characters level is
also they should have downloadable content
like you can download other characters for a dollar
or arenas or something for 5
all of the systems have internet and hard drives
also i can't stress this enough
have dragonball in storymode but you shouldn't be able to fly
they didn't fly untill piccolo jr. saga
create a character mode i wouldn't mind

You know what. You've caught onto something there. I don't know about paying for it, but after the game's release, they should have downloadable content.

Like:

New Levels
New Characters
New Skills
New Costumes

You should be able to download some of these because they didn't get time to add them in with the release of the game, so they put it out there for your to download.

Once you download them, they should go right to you Capsule Shop and you have to buy them from the Capsule Shop...just an idea.

But that would be great. That way if they didn't put something in and they want to go back and do that, then they can, and fans can be happy. So like, if they didn't have time to put in Garlic Jr's Castle, then they could put it out there a few weeks after the release to unlock.

But then, maybe they'll get carried away and start releasing bits and pieces a year after its release. I think after a year they should just stop though.

This would keep the game going as well, and fans will appreciate it more. Even though they should put it in to begin with, if there are valid reasons why they didn't have time, they can still do so after it is released.

dboy1373

03-23-2007, 07:53 PM

i dont think they should start at 1000
do you think if a coughter was pointed at yajorobi at the beging of dragonball z it would be 1000
you know what they should start at 10

OLD SCHOOL

03-23-2007, 08:10 PM

FOR SAYIANS THEIR STAT WOULD GO UP HIGHER THAN OTHER Z FIGHTERS BECAUSE THEY GET STRONGER WITH EVERY FIGHT AND LETS SAY U WIN A NEAR DEATH BATTLE THEN IT WOULD JUMP EVEN HIGHER AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE SHOW LETS THROW IN A REJUVENATION TANK ALSO TO HEAL THOSE INJURIES

Kamiccolo33

03-23-2007, 10:52 PM

i dont think they should start at 1000
do you think if a coughter was pointed at yajorobi at the beging of dragonball z it would be 1000
you know what they should start at 10

Like I said before, it doesn't represent exact power levels. Yajirobe would start out at the exact minimum, and maybe only Hercule can start out at 100 because he's an exception :haha:. But I liked your thinking with the downloadable features like extra levels and stuff. But like I said you should have to pay for them, I mean, you've already bought the game.

FOR SAYIANS THEIR STAT WOULD GO UP HIGHER THAN OTHER Z FIGHTERS BECAUSE THEY GET STRONGER WITH EVERY FIGHT AND LETS SAY U WIN A NEAR DEATH BATTLE THEN IT WOULD JUMP EVEN HIGHER AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE SHOW LETS THROW IN A REJUVENATION TANK ALSO TO HEAL THOSE INJURIES

OKAY! They should be able to level up quicker, but, when I think about it, I'll add a few to my levelling up idea.

You should also be able to equip capsules that let you level up just a little bit quicker. But it should never be able to get out of control.

Lv Up +2% - 1 capsule slot.
Lv Up +5% - 2 capsule slots.
Lv Up +10% - 3 capsule slots.

But maybe for Saiyans there is a special levelling up booster...

Elite Fighters:
Lv Up +6% - 1 capsule.

You know, just to give them an advantage.

And with Saiyans, they have special enhancements abilities that allow them to gain stats during battle when they recover from injuries.

Saiyan Blood:
Stat increase with recovery. 1 capsule slot.

So if you recover 1 health bar, you get a 5% Strength, Power, Defence, Resistance...

So a 5% increase for every health bar they recover. That should count with Senzu Beans, other recovery items, and items you find in level.

So if you recover 6 bars, that's a 30% increase.

Also, they should remake the item system.

Epyon

03-24-2007, 12:56 AM

But in my opinion the whole reason of having power levels is to measure yourself against the characters from the show.

Besides, if you're going to have a limit of 100,000,000 why not just bring it all the way up to 1,000,000,000?

If you're worried about characters being unbalanced then the solution is simple.

All you have to do is implement the exact power levels in the storyline since the enemies you'll be facing will always be within range and then just add two different multiplayer modes like in B3. One where every character is normal and one like the Dragon Arena where all the characters have their own specific power levels.

So if you do something as simple as that you'll never have to worry about balance. And if you feel someone would get discouraged that they can't beat their friend's character at 200,000,000 because they're only at 5,000,000, (online play anyone? ;)) remember that power levels increase more rapidly as they get higher like I said. So it wouldn't take a century, but it would also add much more playing time, meaning and more DBZ feel to the game.

Come on, how cool would it be to lose to your friend online with SSJ1 Vegeta with a power level of around 23,000,000 (just like the show) to Super Namek Piccolo (fused with Kami) with a power level of around 40,000,000 (just like the show), but then before your next fight you spend some time training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or searching the Earth for powerful opponents to challenge for example and then you turn into Super Vegeta with a power level of 100,000,000. Then ofcourse you kick your friends ass and send him to the next dimension.

So, in conclusion we can still have the realistic power levels in the story mode and Dragon Arena mode while keeping all the characters normal in the regular duel mode.

OLD SCHOOL

03-24-2007, 01:34 AM

Mystic Gohan

03-24-2007, 01:45 AM

THAT SOUNDS GOOD N ALL BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WITH ALL THE GOOD IDEAS WE HAVE IT WOULD TAKE FOREVER TO GET THEM ALL IN THE NEXT GAME AND IF THEY DID GET EVERYTHING DO U KNOW HOW HIGH THE EXPECTATION OF THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE ITS SUSICIDE SO WE'LL SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN SMALL DOSES

I dont think there will be a BT4. There are milking the same story repeatedly. Bandai did a smart move by developing an MMORPG. So go ahead and max out this game there is not much you can do after the MMORPG comes out.

Kamiccolo33

03-24-2007, 01:57 AM

I can't win with the power level discussion. So let's end that...

T3 will be the last one I believe. So that means they've got to put all their effort into it. Maybe they should hire like...another 100 people. But these should be no ordinary people, these people should be DBZ fans! :eek:

That's not a bad point. Do you think there are any hardcore DBZ fans at Spike like us? Maybe they should hire us.:D

An online mode where you fly the map and search for fights would be good. Imagine scanning the world from above as you fly through the sky, and down below in arenas are fights happening, or people waiting for fights. You should be able to view the power levels of all the fighters in that arena, and if you want a challenge, you go to them.

They need some awesome features this time around. I don't want to see the same old modes from T2.

Kazuha Vinland

03-24-2007, 04:23 AM

Hiring DBZ fans is a perfect thing. I hope they will do it.

Kamiccolo33

03-24-2007, 05:07 AM

Hiring DBZ fans is a perfect thing. I hope they will do it.

It makes sense right?:rolleyes:

Kazuha Vinland

03-24-2007, 05:47 AM

Yup, it does. I am sure that the game would improve in so many ways if they did.

Mystic Gohan

03-24-2007, 12:32 PM

But you have to be careful on which fans you hire. Some can have some deep rooted biased opinions that might get icluded into the game and we dont want that.

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 12:44 PM

:up: i totally agree 100% that DB needs more representation. More dragonball characters too, like OOLONG!!!!:D :D But also the story mode could start, before DB, like i was thinking King Vegeta leading the saiyans to attack the tuffles on Plant as the first level. then after a few levels with maybe Bardock we can move onto DB then DBZ then DBGT...

Mystic Gohan

03-24-2007, 12:47 PM

That would completely spoil the story for newcomers to the series. Starting from were the manga started is the best move. Welcome to Atari forums.

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 12:52 PM

That would completely spoil the story for newcomers to the series. Starting from were the manga started is the best move. Welcome to Atari forums.

:confused: well, maybe, but it would make a heck of alot more sense. plus if we do a few levels with the saiyans, then we can bombard them with tons of dragonball levels so they completely forget about vegeta, frieza, etc.;)

Majin Trunks

03-24-2007, 12:59 PM

Yea but just like Bardock:The Father of Goku,movie is on T2 is unlocked somewhere,so the timeline before DB would be unlockable later.

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 01:01 PM

i've been thinking, if they are to add DB levels what should they be?:downcast: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

what do you guys think?

Like SSJ5Vegeta_Ver3 said, please don't double post, next time use the edit button, thanks! ~ Marby

Kazuha Vinland

03-24-2007, 01:17 PM

That you should stop double posting. To be on topic. I think they should make a proper system and calculate the power for everyone. Frieza is at 12 000 000 at 100% and then they will just have to guess everything above.

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 01:20 PM

Kazuha Vinland

03-24-2007, 01:49 PM

When you post two messages in a row without anyone else posting between you. It is not allowed, it is a rule we have here.

Gogetenks ssj4

03-24-2007, 02:15 PM

Bandai is going to release an mmorpg??can u give me a link please i really want to check it out,i've been expecting this for sooo long

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 02:18 PM

When you post two messages in a row without anyone else posting between you. It is not allowed, it is a rule we have here.

kk sry, i did not know

Majin Trunks

03-24-2007, 02:21 PM

Just remember to obey it for now.

UltimateGohan77

03-24-2007, 02:23 PM

just saying what i would want in bt3.( i just typed what i would like whitout thinking to much :p )

fight locations
they should make that you choose a planet to fight on. so if u pick earth u should be able to fly al arround the plant and fight al over. it should be massive !!!! u can go to kami lookout or go to the north pool or to a city. but also be carefull not to shoot to much at the planet because it may explode and kill both opponents :)
there should me day and night whil u play (night the moon great apes... :) )
prob. only 2 plantes to choose from earth and planet namek so they should be REAAAAALLYY BIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGG. bye that i mean it should really feel when u fly around the plant that its a real planet (at max speed it should take like 1 min to fly al around :s so that u can imagine how big or even bigger XD ). so it its al the maps we know so far all in 1 map but even bigger . so that 1 planet is enoguh for free for all online play (maybe like 100 player per planet ) im just saying numbers :)

beamweapons
when u power up to fire a kamehameha wave there should be lighting dark sky ,earth shaking,big waves near sea,... and when u fire and u mis there should be a big crater!!! or shen ur on the ground and u shot at the opponen infront of u there should be a line in the ground (dont know how u say it in english but a somthing like a crater but aah u know u saw it in the series :p )

fighting
more combos and rush moves and more special moves per character(al special moves the character ever did) or typacal moves that each character should be able to do.
but if then a char has 5 special moves not make the all verry strong (3 classes of special moves or so and 1 ultimate move )
when u fight u shoudl try to raise ur power level to ur highest the higher u raise ur power level the stronger u are iuntil u reach ur max level. for online play u should be able to lower ur power level to hide to recover ur health and so,...

graphics
the planets(earth,namek,..) should in goood deatail

online gameplay
so because the planets to fight on are massssive!!!!!! player should join a server(and thats 1 planet) and fight on it search other player and fight them . searching other players bye sensing there energy. if the planet gets destroyed (it just resets)
online gameplay should be 2kinds and with each kind u can choose free for all or 1vs1 or tag teams,..
1. with power levels and 2. normal
with power levels player should be able tomake there own character or use a real one and train it and come online and fiight. but there powerlevel wil be at 0 when they join so no one can detect them . but they wil need to rise there powerlevel when they want to go to fight (so you can choose to power urself up to maximum or hold back a liltle bit so that u can suprise someone that ur even more powerfull .
also while u play online u should get more xp for lvling .
and u should also gain some kind of money for killing other players . and with that money u can buy items for ur character like senzu beans ,potions,.... to use when ur playing on a planet.
this would be really fun !!!!

transformations
they should take longer so when ur goku and u want to go to super saiyin 1 you should need to power up until u reach the powerlevel where u can go super saiyin . but not make that u power up ur energy to max and then transform. and now that brings me to another idea :D there should em a extra bar ( health bar, energy bar AND powerlevel bar). so when power up ur energy go's faster up than ur powerlevel bar and then when ur energy bar reaches a certain amount of energy and u reach the needed power level for super saiyin then u transform (it should no be instant maybe 3 sec of transformation litle bit cut scene style but that does not stop the game.
:)
and for the other kinds of transformations
they should look like in the series how they happen but not take to long 6 sec or so(becoming grat ape, janemba,...

and al characters

wel this is al what i would like and some other things that i forgot to mention.

Epyon

03-24-2007, 02:41 PM

I can't win with the power level discussion. So let's end that...

Victory!

DBZ_hunter11

03-24-2007, 05:32 PM

What really is of great importance of the DB series that can be in story mode that played as a key feature, besides king piccolo, alogth, Kami, Nail, and King Piccolo should all be playable in BT3. I'd have to say out of all the DB i've really seen my favorite part is wen that pterodactyl kidnapped Bulma:p

y do u all care about PS3 anyway, it sucks.:down: horribly:down: :down: :down: :mad: :weird: Wii is the way 2 go!!:up: :D :D ;)

Don't double post, next time use the edit button, thanks! ~ Marby

Kazuha Vinland

03-24-2007, 07:03 PM

Ha ha ha... following the crowd eh? Wii is not going to win the console war. It is not a next gen like 360 and PS3. PS3 is 20x more powerful than Wii. In a year or two, the real battle will begin:) but let us get back on topic.

I sure wish I just could have a weekend off to create more ideas and combine them all:bored:

OLD SCHOOL

03-24-2007, 07:05 PM

y do u all care about PS3 anyway, it sucks.:down: horribly:down: :down: :down: :mad: :weird: Wii is the way 2 go!!:up: :D :D ;)
the wii is for babys and what the hell is that stick am i spouse to play wit dat give me a real controler not dat kid ****

ss4 Broly`

03-24-2007, 07:23 PM

Well listen here jabroni ill tell me wat you think wait idont care wat you think PS3 may be crappy now but u just wait you wii jabroni the PS3 is gonna rock the wiis world now CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE HELL IM COOKIN JABRONI the ps3 shouldnt even have competition with the wii expensive as it is im behind this system 200% because ps2 is been my system all these years so im stickin with sony NOW CAN YOU DIG THAT SUCKKKKKAAAAA !!!!!!!!

Kamiccolo33

03-24-2007, 07:31 PM

Woah, easy there boy. But you're right, PS3 can fit about 20 Wii's in its belly.:D

Now, let's steer away from console wars...

When you transform into a great ape, it should actually show the process, like, you start to grow and your clothes rip off :confused: and your hair starts to grow.

But then, it's not just as simple as switching character models from, say, Goku to Great ape. But, maybe they should consider trying. It will beat the flash of light and then.... oh, I'm a monkey now.

And Epyon, I will be back to defeat you one day...:p:)

3000

03-24-2007, 08:17 PM

.......... they are making a Tenkaichi 3?

Dude, How much more can u add?