The ANIME club!!! (JOIN NOW)

[chronicdevil]

Well here it is, the Anime club, the place to go to watch your weekly dose of anime goodness (or badness depending on what show we're watching). Basically what we'll do is decide on a series (or number of series) to start watching, once we're all caught up and up to date, we can start discussing each episode as we go.

THIS WEEK'S SHOWS
-Death note (Episodes 6-10)
-D.Gray man (Episodes 6-10)
-Code Geass (Episodes 6-10)


TRY NOT TO BE STUPID AND GIVE AWAY SPOILERS OF SHOWS ON THE SCHEDULE. OR ANY SHOW FOR THAT MATTER!

[Aaroniero]

I will join:p

[chronicdevil]

Any suggestions or ideas? :bulb:

[Timothy2035]

sounds great. I will consider joining.


Just a note to everyone posting, don't forget to disable your sigs if they are more than 5 lines long. ;) Don't forget that this Friday the 12th, we are to be on board with the 5 line sig rule. :up:

We can do it! :up:

[Aaroniero]

Any suggestions or ideas? :bulb:

nope :bulb:

[SpiritOfFire]

I'll join. I suggest that we do stuff from the new season, since nobody [here, at least] has watched any of it.

[chronicdevil]

That reminds me, I'll write the list of members. Timothy if you've got any ideas feel free to share. And also since you're a mod I need to know if it's OK to post links to websites with fansubs (other than Animesuki if it comes to it)?
I'll join. I suggest that we do stuff from the new season, since nobody [here, at least] has watched any of it.
You need to slow down on the new stuff and catch up with the old school classic stuff. Anyway so got any ideas, I was thinking Code Geass, how many episodes will that be in total and how many have been released.

I think D.Gray man will be a must though, that's a long series so it will be good to stick with it. Also Bleach and Naruto once they get back on track maybe, or shall I leave them for the other threads?

Maybe I'll add Deathnote too, I've already read most of it but I think it's a great series to start off with.

I need more suggestions btw.

[Omid]

I think that would be good anime's to start with but if I may suggest some anime's: Naruto, Rurouni Kenshin and Gundam Wing.

I don't know but the feudal Japan era interests me more then the anime's of this era with an exception on Gundam Wing. :confused:

[Aaroniero]

death note.

[SpiritOfFire]

That reminds me, I'll write the list of members. Timothy if you've got any ideas feel free to share. And also since you're a mod I need to know if it's OK to post links to websites with fansubs (other than Animesuki if it comes to it)?

You need to slow down on the new stuff and catch up with the old school classic stuff. Anyway so got any ideas, I was thinking Code Geass, how many episodes will that be in total and how many have been released.

I think D.Gray man will be a must though, that's a long series so it will be good to stick with it. Also Bleach and Naruto once they get back on track maybe, or shall I leave them for the other threads?

Maybe I'll add Deathnote too, I've already read most of it but I think it's a great series to start off with.

I need more suggestions btw.I believe Code Geass is 24-26 episodes, and about 11 are released. Bleach filler is over, but I think people will watch and discuss that without us havinvg to say anything about it.

[Fallen_Hero]

*shrugs* I'll join

[EricDent]

Um, please only have stuff that is out on DVD in the USA right now. No "downloaded" stuff, thanks.

Please support legit Anime companies, and don't ilegally download stuff off of the internet.

You might want to stick with the more popular series at first, or go old-school for all us "old" guys (like Tim & I).

I suggest the following:

SDF Macross
Tenchi Muyo!
Negima!
Gatchaman
Mazinger Z
Giant Robo
Trigun
Outlaw Star
Cowboy Bebop
Sc-ry-ed
Dragon Ball Z
then go on from there...

BTW, I have a similar topic, where we were supposed to "discuss" anime, but there was not too much discussion. I hope your efforts do better.

BTW a proper discussion is not just saying stuff like "It sucks" or "It rulz". Please explain why you like/dislike a particular show. Or give a report on the show that you like. etc.

[St0rM04]

I'll Join.

Can't think of anything we could watch right now but i'll keep a look out.

[Kayro Shin]

I'll join.

Here are my suggestions:
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Death Note
Trigun
Cowboy Bebop
Desert Punk
Samurai 7
Hunter X Hunter

I'll think about more.

[chronicdevil]

Actually I won't bother with the member list, if people want to watch and discuss it's up to them, keeping a list kind of makes them obligated.
Um, please only have stuff that is out on DVD in the USA right now. No "downloaded" stuff, thanks.
If we're to have an online anime club, the best we can do is only watch shows that aren't licensed in the US, which is why it would be best to show recent shows. Watching stuff which is only on DVD would actually be worse, because I know most people here won't bother buying DVD's just to take part in this club, and would instead download them.

I'm not going to post the direct links to the fansubs, and very few (if any) companies are losing money because of them, in fact they probably help anime companies in the long run (unlicensed shows that is).


Anyway about the series, quite a lot of the suggestions so far have been of licensed and released series, so I don't think we should be watching them.

The reasonable suggestions so far are (the first 3 are my favoured choices so far):

-Deathnote
-Code Geass
-D.Gray man
-Monster
-Hunter x hunter
-Ghost hunt
-Kateikyoushi Hitman reborn

I think i'll make a poll on Wednesday where we can finally decide which shows to watch first. We really need more suggestions, I was hoping for some other genres like comedies, harem, and slice of life.

[Fallen_Hero]

Question, and its just out of curiousity.

Unlicensed Anime that is fansubed online isnt illegal right?

[chronicdevil]

Question, and its just out of curiousity.

Unlicensed Anime that is fansubed online isnt illegal right?
Technically all fansubs are illegal, but they're the only way for non-Japanese citizens to watch unlicensed anime. IMO they've been great for the anime community and without them the anime industry wouldn't be half of what it is today.

[Recca7]

i would like to join this, sounds awsome

[SpiritOfFire]

I never thought people would want to watch a harem series, or any kind of drama.

I say we should all watch HachiKuro.

[Recca7]

i suggest

buso renshin
gundam wing
case closed
black cat
project arms
flame of recca
deathnote
d.gray-man
eyeshield 21
claymore
yu yu hakusho
rurouni kenshin
mar
hikaru no go
shaman king

[chronicdevil]

I never thought people would want to watch a harem series, or any kind of drama.

I say we should all watch HachiKuro.
Are you joking?

And only unlicensed stuff for the time being.



Well there's not much point of having a poll, so I'll just add Death note, Code Geass and D.Gray man to the schedule. I think I'll give us all just over a week or so to get acquainted with the series, seeing as there's about 30 episodes already released for all of them. If anyone has any problems just ask.

Please don't start discussing these shows until the weekend perhaps. If you want to start earlier please use spoiler tags and say which show the spoilers are from. However don't discuss the plot of episode 6 or later for any of the series until we've all caught up. Thanks.

[Dbfan]

I'm not joining, but good thinking Chronic.

Isn't watching anime online from a fan site that doesn't have the license to distribute anime illegal? Or is it only lisenced anime? (If only lisenced anime, I guess that explains why you said only unlisenced stuff.)

Also, take note, watching anime on a fan site is no different than watching it on Youtube. It's all anime coming from an unlisenced foundation.

[Timothy2035]

Um, please only have stuff that is out on DVD in the USA right now. No "downloaded" stuff, thanks.

Please support legit Anime companies, and don't ilegally download stuff off of the internet.

You might want to stick with the more popular series at first, or go old-school for all us "old" guys (like Tim & I).

I suggest the following:

SDF Macross
Tenchi Muyo!
Negima!
Gatchaman
Mazinger Z
Giant Robo
Trigun
Outlaw Star
Cowboy Bebop
Sc-ry-ed
Dragon Ball Z
then go on from there...

BTW, I have a similar topic, where we were supposed to "discuss" anime, but there was not too much discussion. I hope your efforts do better.

BTW a proper discussion is not just saying stuff like "It sucks" or "It rulz". Please explain why you like/dislike a particular show. Or give a report on the show that you like. etc.

I am going to echo what Eric said here. We don't want anything related to unlicensed shows. Its better to go with tv airings and DVD releases. We can do it like a Anime Review of the Week or something. We don't want any mentioning of illegal activity on the forum. You know the end result.

Technically all fansubs are illegal, but they're the only way for non-Japanese citizens to watch unlicensed anime. IMO they've been great for the anime community and without them the anime industry wouldn't be half of what it is today.

Well if they are illegal, then we need to revamp this idea. We need to do it the proper way. Yes things are out there, but this club should observe good protocol.

So any anime discussions we do needs to be something people can get legal access to.

I am also going to move the Anime thread we have at Godzilla and let you all see some of the things in it. Maybe we can get some ideas from it. Eric did a great job in that thread.

Eric, I will leave a permanent redirect in the Godzilla forum to send the updated interests here.

[chronicdevil]

I am going to echo what Eric said here. We don't want anything related to unlicensed shows. Its better to go with tv airings and DVD releases. We can do it like a Anime Review of the Week or something. We don't want any mentioning of illegal activity on the forum. You know the end result.
I was afraid this was going to happen. There's nothing I can say to help the fact that fansubs are technically illegal when looked at carefully, however, I'd just like to point out that supporting the Youtube and Google video tags that these Atari forums make use of are 99% of the time used for some illegal activity, be it showing music videos, anime clips, or any other video that isn't solely made by the person who hosts it. However Atari decides to allow it knowing full well that it results in illegal activity. At least fansubs do support the industry in some way or another, as has been proven in the past when sales of a certain anime company fell due to the stopping of fansubs of that companies shows.

I'm not even mentioning illegal activity, it's up to the members where and how they get to see the show, it's not really my problem or Atari's, especially since this site isn't actually being used to host the shows.

Might I also add that it's an inevitability, we all know 95% of the anime watchers here are watching fansubs (as well as DVDs), as most of us have seen Japanese episodes of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece etc. It's because of the popularity that these shows gain from fansubs that Western anime companies even decide to pick these shows up. If these shows weren't proven to be popular before being licensed, chances are you and EricDent wouldn't even have most of your DVD's. I know this as a fact as I've listened to a representative from Manga entertainment UK talk about the popularity Naruto had before they licensed it, and it's because of that popularity that they were able to pick it up and (eventually) make bucket loads of money. I don't expect older watchers of anime to understand, but this generation which is based around the internet have evolved and taken fansubs with it. Let's face it, fansubs have had an indirect favourable effect on anime sales, amount of anime titles, number of anime fans and basically anime in general.

Another reason why I mention fansubs is because not all of us live in the US, and therefore couldn't pick up the official DVD's of certain series even if we tried, and can't watch them on TV either.

I don't expect you to let us continue with this club knowing all this, but I just thought I'd enlighten you on a subject which arguably has more legality (if it were possible) and morality than some activities that Atari already actively involve themselves with. I honestly doubt any of the higher ups on this forum would give a damn. I also think it would be perfectly acceptable if we watch without posting any links whatsoever that have to do with such illegal activities. All we're doing is discussing a show, denying this anime fan's duty is disrespectful to the hard working people who made the show, who made it solely for it to be seen and loved by as many people as possible. They're not losing anything because we're watching, they already get paid, and are probably going to get paid more because of the attention we give.

I love a good rant to finish the day :haha:



Anyway about changing it to an anime review. I don't oppose the idea of an anime review thread, but I made this thread in order to help me get into some new shows, and involve others who will most likely watch them anyway, if not here, then they'd probably watch it by themselves, and not gain as much from it. I assure you, even without this club, I'm going to watch the shows on the schedule anyway, and chances are so are the others. So again I don't see the problem with us just discussing them together.

[St0rM04]

Well said... I reckon what they don't know can't hurt them.

[SpiritOfFire]

Are you joking?

And only unlicensed stuff for the time being.I forgot HachiKuro was liscensed.Well, there's not official announcement yet, so it's unfair to assume that it is. And I was half-joking, to see the reaction of anyone who reads it to think that they'd actually watch drama. It's probably a scary thought.

[Recca7]

buso renshin isn't licensed is it?

[Mystic Gohan]

Yes chronic you and me both know that people would love hunter x hunter you should work that into the schedule.

[SpiritOfFire]

Yes chronic you and me both know that people would love hunter x hunter you should work that into the schedule.

Blah, too much for me

buso renshin isn't licensed is it?

No, It's not. There's too many cock jokes for this forum, though.

[St0rM04]

I've already got up to ep 6 on Deathnote (already started watching it a few weeks back) but maybe this weekend or tommorow i will start on the other 2.

[chronicdevil]

I forgot HachiKuro was liscensed.Well, there's not official announcement yet, so it's unfair to assume that it is. And I was half-joking, to see the reaction of anyone who reads it to think that they'd actually watch drama. It's probably a scary thought.
Well what drama are you talking about that's so bad? Rumbling Hearts was excellent. Comedies, harem, shoujo and just down to Earth shows are my favourite genres, I think that includes drama. It's only convenient that the shounen series I like are exceptional, otherwise most of my top 10 would be of the genres I mentioned above.
Yes chronic you and me both know that people would love hunter x hunter you should work that into the schedule.
I know it's great but it's too long, it's the kind of series you'd want to watch at you're own pace.
There's too many cock jokes for this forum, though.
Eh?

[gokuislord]

Are we still allowed to join?

[St0rM04]

Are we still allowed to join?

Yes.

Oh btw what i plan on doing is watching each episode in turn and when i've finished watching that episode i will post on here what i thought about it.Maybe i should just watch all 5 ep's and then comment on the series?.

What do you think Chronic?.

[chronicdevil]

I've already got up to ep 6 on Deathnote (already started watching it a few weeks back) but maybe this weekend or tommorow i will start on the other 2.
Same here, I've got Death Note but haven't started it yet. Might not get much watching time until the 24th due to exams. And I'm still in the middle of another series which is also good.
Are we still allowed to join?
Sure, that is if I think we're still allowed to do this idea, it's basically the same as the Naruto/Bleach discussion, but with a number of series, so I'll say yes. Even if we're not allowed, you should start watching those 3 shows anyway.

EDIT:
Yes.

Oh btw what i plan on doing is watching each episode in turn and when i've finished watching that episode i will post on here what i thought about it.Maybe i should just watch all 5 ep's and then comment on the series?.

What do you think Chronic?.
You can start commenting whenever you want, just as long as it's about the episodes on the schedule, you might want to put major episode spoilers in spoiler tags just in case.

btw whereabouts do you live?

[Fallen_Hero]

I wish I had the time to follow what your watching, but during the week im just way too busy with school, and im always out on the weekends now.

I'll try and watch Deathnote for later discussion. :up:

[St0rM04]

Northamptonshire :D, Town is Corby. I seriously doubt you'll actually know where that is :P.

[chronicdevil]

I wish I had the time to follow what your watching, but during the week im just way too busy with school, and im always out on the weekends now.

I'll try and watch Deathnote for later discussion. :up:
That's a shame, well if you ever do decide to watch, just come here to discuss, there's no rush :up:
Northamptonshire , Town is Corby. I seriously doubt you'll actually know where that is :P.
Yeah you're right, I know of it, just not much. I'm a Londoner myself unfortunately.

Anyway sorry for going off topic :bulb:

[Aaroniero]

What is D.Gray man about?

[St0rM04]

That's a shame, well if you ever do decide to watch, just come here to discuss, there's no rush :up:

Yeah you're right, I know of it, just not much. I'm a Londoner myself unfortunately.

Anyway sorry for going off topic :bulb:

Hehe nice, I sometimes go there for day trips, But nothing real special.

D.Gray Man:

Allen Walker is a young Exorcist who has a cursed eye that can see the suffering of the Akumas created by The Millenium Earl. He travels to England to the Headquarters of the Exorcists where his Master has sent him to meet with the other Exorcists. The battle with the Millenium Earl and the Noah Family vs. the Exorcists intensifies when some of the best Exorcists begin to get killed by hoards of Akuma. Japan takes center stage in this end of 19th Century plot in order to not let the entire human race be turned into Akumas and the Exorcists have the power of "Innocence" that was given to them by God on their side.

[chronicdevil]

What is D.Gray man about?
My friend recommended it to me, along with Death Note and Code Geass, so it should be good, it sounds good and is probably one of the main Shounen series running at the moment. Busou Renkin is below D.Gray man in terms of popularity, so I chose that instead.

According to the synopsis above, it looks like it's going to be interesting. My friend said it's going to be quite long, so it's good that we'll be getting into it before it gets into the 50+ episodes :)

[Dbfan]

I wanna join, just to take part in this. But I have my own anime schedule. So I don't know.....Let me finish Seikimatsu No Enjeru's manga, HxH's OVAs, and then when I start Samurai 7 and Death Note I'll see what's good.

[chronicdevil]

I wanna join, just to take part in this. But I have my own anime schedule. So I don't know.....Let me finish Seikimatsu No Enjeru's manga, HxH's OVAs, and then when I start Samurai 7 and Death Note I'll see what's good.
Of course we'll all keep our own personal watching list, this is just a little something to keep us up to date with what's new. These titles are highly rated too, so I wouldn't be surprised if people would rather watch these 3 than what they're watching already. I'm sure you'll like these ones.

Have you already started the HxH OVA's? Those were probably my favourite parts, along with the final arc of the TV series. Excellent stuff.

[Dbfan]

Yes I've already started the OVAs, and I'm almost done with them. They better announce a new one soon. I don't feel like reading the manga. I'm too busy with Hellsing manga, Seikimatsu No Enjeru (although I just started Seikimatsu and don't know how long it is) and I got get into Death Note manga/anime.

But yeah, I guess I'll join. What the hell. It might be hard for me to keep up on though, but this is good. I need new anime introduced to me.

[gokuislord]

Same here, I've got Death Note but haven't started it yet. Might not get much watching time until the 24th due to exams. And I'm still in the middle of another series which is also good.

Sure, that is if I think we're still allowed to do this idea, it's basically the same as the Naruto/Bleach discussion, but with a number of series, so I'll say yes. Even if we're not allowed, you should start watching those 3 shows anyway.




I already watch Naruto and Bleach.

[SpiritOfFire]

Well what drama are you talking about that's so bad? Rumbling Hearts was excellent. Comedies, harem, shoujo and just down to Earth shows are my favourite genres, I think that includes drama. It's only convenient that the shounen series I like are exceptional, otherwise most of my top 10 would be of the genres I mentioned above.

I know it's great but it's too long, it's the kind of series you'd want to watch at you're own pace.

Eh?You misunderstood me. I like alot of drama, comedies, and shoujo. As for trying to get other people, who usually wouldn't watch that stuff, would prove to be a difficult task. And for the record, I didn't like KimiNozo after the 2nd episode, much. I mean, it had it's moments, but genericerogemale ****ed me off with all his actions, and the blue-haired girl(I want to say...Mitsuki?) was a little too selfish.

And as for Busou Renkin, it's a good show, just alot of running gags. Like pulling colorful butterfly glasses out of your man-thong.

[Dbfan]

I like comedies, even love comedies are good. Only reason I watch Neon Genesis is for the comedy in it. I've tried some drama manga...Didn't work out. All I saw was talking.

[SS4Zach]

D.Gray Man is awsome!

I read the manga.

[Dbfan]

Ahh! Zach! You changed your ava for some gender confused electrical dancer.

[SS4Zach]

Ahh! Zach! You changed your ava for some gender confused electrical dancer.

Ha!:haha:

Nope this is Pikachu and he's dancing to "I like to move it"!:p

[Recca7]

You misunderstood me. I like alot of drama, comedies, and shoujo. As for trying to get other people, who usually wouldn't watch that stuff, would prove to be a difficult task. And for the record, I didn't like KimiNozo after the 2nd episode, much. I mean, it had it's moments, but genericerogemale ****ed me off with all his actions, and the blue-haired girl(I want to say...Mitsuki?) was a little too selfish.

And as for Busou Renkin, it's a good show, just alot of running gags. Like pulling colorful butterfly glasses out of your man-thong.

yes but the creator of Buso Renkin also created one of the most awsome animes ever, Rurouni Kenshin

[chronicdevil]

Just finished the first 5 episodes of Death note, and it's shaping up to be very good, it'll probably be in my top 10 before long. It's following the manga pretty closely, and seems to be going at a nice pace, hopefully it won't be too long of a series because the manga started to get pretty predictable somewhat after a while.

I like the choice of voice actors, especially L's, he's one of my favourites (the VA for Ranma and Usopp most notably), he's got a good range of styles and voices which is excellent. Light's VA suits him perfectly (geeky while being quite cool and calm, even annoying).

And I never thought they'd show how truly evil Light is so early on in the series, it makes me dislike him even more than I did. If no one thinks he's evil after episode 5 I'd be quite shocked.

I'll start D.Gray man tonight, can't wait.

[SpiritOfFire]

Just finished the first 5 episodes of Death note, and it's shaping up to be very good, it'll probably be in my top 10 before long. It's following the manga pretty closely, and seems to be going at a nice pace, hopefully it won't be too long of a series because the manga started to get pretty predictable somewhat after a while.

I like the choice of voice actors, especially L's, he's one of my favourites (the VA for Ranma and Usopp most notably), he's got a good range of styles and voices which is excellent. Light's VA suits him perfectly (geeky while being quite cool and calm, even annoying).

And I never thought they'd show how truly evil Light is so early on in the series, it makes me dislike him even more than I did. If no one thinks he's evil after episode 5 I'd be quite shocked.

I'll start D.Gray man tonight, can't wait.Is it just this new Firefox, or iareall the "misspelled"(Japanese names, terms and such) words underlined in red? I don't think Light is evil, at this point in the story. He only seems evil because of how much thinking he's doing, about using a certain notebook.

[chronicdevil]

Is it just this new Firefox, or iareall the "misspelled"(Japanese names, terms and such) words underlined in red? I don't think Light is evil, at this point in the story. He only seems evil because of how much thinking he's doing, about using a certain notebook.
You must have installed a plugin that does that, it's normal on mine.

As soon as he killed Ray he was definitely evil. What he was doing before was bad, but I could understand his reasoning. However he killed an innocent man who was just doing his job, and had no remorse. Next week will be the definite evil turning point if what I know is going to happen happens in the next 5 episodes.

[SS4Zach]

You like D.Gray Man chronic?

I love the manga.:) :up:

[chronicdevil]

You like D.Gray Man chronic?

I love the manga.:) :up:
I haven't started it yet :bulb:

But from what I hear, it's good. That's what this club is for, for people to start watching the shows on the schedule.

[SS4Zach]

I didn't see the anime yet.

[chronicdevil]

I didn't see the anime yet.
Then start watching it then :haha:

[SS4Zach]

Then start watching it then :haha:

I don't know where.:p

[chronicdevil]

I don't know where.:p
How do you watch Naruto and Bleach? Search on Google. I would tell you how, but we're not allowed to discuss those sort of things.

[SpiritOfFire]

You must have installed a plugin that does that, it's normal on mine.

As soon as he killed Ray he was definitely evil. What he was doing before was bad, but I could understand his reasoning. However he killed an innocent man who was just doing his job, and had no remorse. Next week will be the definite evil turning point if what I know is going to happen happens in the next 5 episodes.I installed plugins, but I didn't restart Firefox yet, so they havent taken effect yet. And it only appears in the text box thingy.

I don't think he' evil because of that. He's working for the greater good of the world at this point, so it's natural that he'd want to get rid of those people in his way. It's not like he's trying to kill random people, or people who might give away info, like his family or friends, or something.

[chronicdevil]

I installed plugins, but I didn't restart Firefox yet, so they havent taken effect yet. And it only appears in the text box thingy.

I don't think he' evil because of that. He's working for the greater good of the world at this point, so it's natural that he'd want to get rid of those people in his way. It's not like he's trying to kill random people, or people who might give away info, like his family or friends, or something.
He's contradicting himself, he kills criminals just because they're criminals, and yet he's the worst criminal of them all. He is so evil, have you seen his face when he kills people, it's like he enjoys it. If he wasn't evil, he would at least show some remorse. He's an egotistical maniac to the highest degree.

Killing innocent people as well as criminals, using them as experiments and toying with people's lives all seem pretty evil to me. It's also his fault those people had to die, if I was him, I could easily avoid ever getting caught, he purposefully gave away clues like a moron, and he's a freaking idiot for killing Lind L. Tailor on TV.

The final verdict is that Light is an insignificant turd at the bottom of some rotting, decaying dead body, just wasting away like the pointless piece of pond life that he is. He's also a twisted lump of flesh whose ego is almost as big and dilapidated as whatever freaking a$$hole he crawled out of when he was spawned into this world, only to roam around like a complete and utter neanderthal while acting like something superior, when in actual fact he's got the same value as a Buy one get one free tampon coupon with a cash value of 0.000000000000001cent.

[SpiritOfFire]

He's contradicting himself, he kills criminals just because they're criminals, and yet he's the worst criminal of them all. He is so evil, have you seen his face when he kills people, it's like he enjoys it. If he wasn't evil, he would at least show some remorse. He's an egotistical maniac to the highest degree.

Killing innocent people as well as criminals, using them as experiments and toying with people's lives all seem pretty evil to me. It's also his fault those people had to die, if I was him, I could easily avoid ever getting caught, he purposefully gave away clues like a moron, and he's a freaking idiot for killing Lind L. Tailor on TV.

The final verdict is that Light is an insignificant turd at the bottom of some rotting, decaying dead body, just wasting away like the pointless piece of pond life that he is. He's also a twisted lump of flesh whose ego is almost as big and dilapidated as whatever freaking a$$hole he crawled out of when he was spawned into this world, only to roam around like a complete and utter neanderthal while acting like something superior, when in actual fact he's got the same value as a Buy one get one free tampon coupon with a cash value of 0.000000000000001cent.I'm trying to avoid going past episode 5, at this point. It's even harder that I don't remember what happens in 5. I'll assume 5 is the one with Raye. At this point, he just wants to change the world, not really knowing if he'd succeed or not. At the beginning, most people would feel that he's just in wanting to reduce crime. He really only feels good when he checkmate an enemy of his, like he thought he did with Lind L. Tailor, otherwise, to me it seems like a job to him. Also, he figures that he'll come into obstacles, and if Ryuk wasn't such an idiot [or, if he'd stop purposely toying with Light], then he wouldn't even have to test anything.


I Like Light at this point in the story. The protagonist - L, and the antagonist - Kira, are so likeable to me because of how tactful they are, and I often find myself wanting L to succeed an capture Kira, but at the same time, wanting Kira to create this great ideal seeming world.

I don't think he's that bad at this point. As it's been said before by Nate River, it's the power to kill people that is the real criminal.

[chronicdevil]

As it's been said before by Nate River, it's the power to kill people that is the real criminal.
That's just an excuse people make. Can't people just accept that they were wrong, instead of blaming something else.

No one forced Light to kill those people, he's the first person to use the Death note with so much enthusiasm, hence why he's evil.




Anyway just our luck, Death Note was licensed yesterday, so we'll have to take it off after episode 10, not just because it was licensed, but because the best fansubbing groups have dropped it, among other things.

We'll have to think of another series after next week.

I started D.Gray man and so far it's pretty good, only saw episode 1 though. Anyone else started it yet?

[SS4Zach]

I watched Death Note 1-6 last night.

Edit:I didn't watch D Gray Man because I don't know where to get the episodes.

[chronicdevil]

I watched Death Note 1-6 last night.

Edit:I didn't watch D Gray Man because I don't know where to get the episodes.
What did you think?

Has anyone started D.Gray man? I finished 1-5, i'll start Code Geass tonight maybe.

D.Gray man's had a bit of a slow start so far, I'm hoping it'll get a lot better.

[SpiritOfFire]

I saw D.Gray-man. I don't think it's as interesting as Code Geass or Death Note. Especially since it's rumored to be 50 some episodes long.

[chronicdevil]

I saw D.Gray-man. I don't think it's as interesting as Code Geass or Death Note. Especially since it's rumored to be 50 some episodes long.
I think the fact that it could be quite long may be what might make this such a great series. It's got a lot of potential, what with the different types of Exorcists, Akuma and Innocence. Already I can sense some cliche's, like the rival who becomes a friend, and the initial plot of going on a quest to find something, when the real story unfolds when something's discovered while on this quest. Well stuff like that works when done well so it's all good.

[SS4Zach]

What did you think?

Has anyone started D.Gray man? I finished 1-5, i'll start Code Geass tonight maybe.

D.Gray man's had a bit of a slow start so far, I'm hoping it'll get a lot better.

I love it!:)

I like the manga more though.

Edit:Can I have some info about Code Geass?

[chronicdevil]

I love it!:)

I like the manga more though.

Edit:Can I have some info about Code Geass?
I think so far the Death note anime is almost identical to the manga, so I prefer the anime at the moment.

Here's the ANN summary of Code Geass:

The Empire of Britannia has invaded Japan using giant robot weapons called Knightmare Frames. Japan is now referred to as Area 11, and its people the 11's. A Britannian who was living in Japan at the time, Lelouch, vowed to his Japanese friend Suzaku that he'd destroy Britannia. Years later, Lelouch is in high school, but regularly skips out of school to go play chess and gamble on himself. One day, he stumbles on terrorists 11's who've stolen a military secret and is caught by a member of the Britannian task force sent after them, who is Suzaku. As the rest of the squad arrives, Suzaku is shot for disobeying orders, while the military secret, a young girl, gives Lelouch the power of Geass, which makes anyone obey any order. While Suzaku is secretly made the pilot of Britannia's brand new prototype Knightmare, Lancelot, Lelouch becomes the masked knight Zero to lead the rebellion to destroy Britannia once and for all.

[Aaroniero]

Anyone see death note episode 13?

[SS4Zach]

Im not really of robot animes....worst robot anime was Big O.:bulb:

No I haven't superbuu125.

[Aaroniero]

Im not really of robot animes....worst robot anime was Big O.:bulb:

No I haven't superbuu125.

I don't like robot animes at all. :bored:

[Kayro Shin]

Anyone see death note episode 13?

I just finished it, awesome episode.

[SS4Zach]

I just finished it, awesome episode.

I'll watch episodes 7-13 tonight.:)

[SpiritOfFire]

Code Geass is good with Pizza Hut. Just so you get the most outof the experience :)

[Dbfan]

I think everyone should read Hellsing manga. It's too good to not read.

[chronicdevil]

OK I just watched the first few eps of Code Geass, and so far it's pretty good, it's not your average mech series. Something about it reminds me of Death Note, mainly because the main character is trying to change the world with the help of a new power that gives him control over people.

Although so far I prefer Lelouch to Light as he actually has an understandable reason as to why he does what he does.

[SpiritOfFire]

I was just about to stop playing Okami to come and see if anyone watched Code Geass. Told you it was a good series. I also prefer 0/Lulu to Light, but I feel they both have good reasons, or had, in Raito's case.

[chronicdevil]

...or had, in Raito's case.
What's that supposed to mean?

I haven't actually finished reading Death note, is that a hint that he dies, I hope so, if he does tell me in a spoiler, I won't mind.

[SpiritOfFire]

What's that supposed to mean?

I haven't actually finished reading Death note, is that a hint that he dies, I hope so, if he does tell me in a spoiler, I won't mind.Well, I meant "did", by he becomes all disillusioned with his original goal, and becomes corrupt. I wasn't suggesting that he dies there, but yeah, he does. By Ryuk as promised.

[chronicdevil]

Well, I meant "did", by he becomes all disillusioned with his original goal, and becomes corrupt. I wasn't suggesting that he dies there, but yeah, he does. By Ryuk as promised.
Well I finally finished reading Death Note, and it was a great ending to a great series, I was laughing quite a bit towards the end

mainly because the look on Light's dying face was priceless, in fact all the messed up faces he made in that warehouse were priceless, I loved it. I don't remember Ryuk telling Light that he'd be the one to kill him, when did that happen? And what happened to Sayu, did she become psychologically damaged due to the kidnapping incident?

[SpiritOfFire]

Well I finally finished reading Death Note, and it was a great ending to a great series, I was laughing quite a bit towards the end

mainly because the look on Light's dying face was priceless, in fact all the messed up faces he made in that warehouse were priceless, I loved it. I don't remember Ryuk telling Light that he'd be the one to kill him, when did that happen? And what happened to Sayu, did she become psychologically damaged due to the kidnapping incident?

I wondered what happened to her afterward too, but they said that's what happened afterward.
I thought he made a great speech, he was doing pretty well until the part where Matsuda ****ed everything up. That *******, he's still one of my favorites though. He was one letter away! argh! I hope someone named Nate Rive died that day. Ryuk told Light that he was going to write his name in the notebook from the very first day. I feel that even though Ryuk said he wasn't going to pick a side, he would've saved Light if he didn't know that he would die.
All in all, a good ending, except for Near. God, I hate him less than Mello. He had the nerve to say that him and Mello were better than L. Oh, please.

All in all, a good ending, except for Near. God, I hate him less than Mello.

[chronicdevil]

I wondered what happened to her afterward too, but they said that's what happened afterward.
I thought he made a great speech, he was doing pretty well until the part where Matsuda ****ed everything up. That *******, he's still one of my favorites though. He was one letter away! argh! I hope someone named Nate Rive died that day. Ryuk told Light that he was going to write his name in the notebook from the very first day. I feel that even though Ryuk said he wasn't going to pick a side, he would've saved Light if he didn't know that he would die.
All in all, a good ending, except for Near. God, I hate him less than Mello. He had the nerve to say that him and Mello were better than L. Oh, please.

Well it all went downhill for Light as soon as he said 'Victory is mine' (which is such a lame line to say at such a point, if it was me I would've been swearing and laughing my a$$ off). I loved the bit with Matsuda, serves him right, to be foiled by the stupidest member on the team, what an a$$ he is :haha: :haha:

Either way I don't think Ryuk would have saved Light, you saw how pathetic he looked. Ryuk would have died if he saved him wouldn't he, if Light was getting the death penalty that is?

I wasn't too fond of Near and Mello in the beginning, because I missed L way too much, but towards the end, I grew to like them. And they are right, both of them are better than L, after all they caught the guy who he couldn't. But L is definitely one of my all time favourite characters, one of the reasons why I hate Light.

I don't see how Death note will last less than 40 episodes, seems more like a 52 ep series to me personally.

[dbzmaster28]

ill join.

[blackman34]

stop wit spoilers please



ima join

[Boku77]

Hey has anybody seen the "street fighter" anime show..Its hot!!

[Mystic Gohan]

Hey has anybody seen the "street fighter" anime show..Its hot!!

Its gay......literally. I dont think I have seen anything gayer( is that even a word?) than it. I loved everything about the Steet Fighter franchise until USA TV network came out with that live action movie and the anime SF2 came out in Japan.

[SpiritOfFire]

I cannot turn off the fanboy mode now, it's too late. First off, let me say that I believe L>K>N>M

Not really a First off, L knew who Kira was, he just didn't want to prove it in such degrading ways. I admit N is pretty good, but in the end, all he managed to do was confront K about something that L knew from the first time he laid eyes on him. Yes, you could say that L lost, but you could also say that N & M lost, the goal of the game was to bring K in to justice, they failed in that aspect. without the information that L got, K would've never been caught, because even you can admit that N&M didn't figure out anything new.

[chronicdevil]

stop wit spoilers please
You didn't read them did you?

To join just watch the series in the first post and start discussing. But don't read the spoilers, it kinda ruins the whole point of them being spoilers.
I cannot turn off the fanboy mode now, it's too late. First off, let me say that I believe L>K>N>M

Not really a First off, L knew who Kira was, he just didn't want to prove it in such degrading ways. I admit N is pretty good, but in the end, all he managed to do was confront K about something that L knew from the first time he laid eyes on him. Yes, you could say that L lost, but you could also say that N & M lost, the goal of the game was to bring K in to justice, they failed in that aspect. without the information that L got, K would've never been caught, because even you can admit that N&M didn't figure out anything new.
The aim was to expose Light as Kira, and that's what they did, and that's the thing L failed to do even after suspecting and confronting Light from the very beginning. I'd also say L was more prepared to prove Kira's identity in degrading ways when compared to N, in fact most of what N did seemed more logical compared to L. And no matter how smart L was, I can't get over the fact that he let Light kill Higuchi, when Light was sitting right next to him and was holding the freakin Death note. How stupid can you be?

I'd also say N and M found out quite a lot of new information, namely that 2 of the rules were fake, that Mikami was the X-Kira, and most importantly that Light was indeed Kira...among other things that I can't remember at this time. All in all I don't see how you can think that N and M are not better than L, although I'll agree somewhat to L>=K>N>M individually.

[SpiritOfFire]

You didn't read them did you?

To join just watch the series in the first post and start discussing. But don't read the spoilers, it kinda ruins the whole point of them being spoilers.

The aim was to expose Light as Kira, and that's what they did, and that's the thing L failed to do even after suspecting and confronting Light from the very beginning. I'd also say L was more prepared to prove Kira's identity in degrading ways when compared to N, in fact most of what N did seemed more logical compared to L. And no matter how smart L was, I can't get over the fact that he let Light kill Higuchi, when Light was sitting right next to him and was holding the freakin Death note. How stupid can you be?

I'd also say N and M found out quite a lot of new information, namely that 2 of the rules were fake, that Mikami was the X-Kira, and most importantly that Light was indeed Kira...among other things that I can't remember at this time. All in all I don't see how you can think that N and M are not better than L, although I'll agree somewhat to L>=K>N>M individually.

I'll highlight everything I remember that they found out.
Found out about the Death Note~L did this
Found out about Shinigami~L did this
Figured out that new L=Kira~L knew that if he lost, this would happen
Found out who X-Kira was~didn't exist, and wouldn't have if L was around
Connected Tacky with Kira~same as ^
Revealed one fake rule~Yeah...they got this one.
Got Kira killed~no matter who caught him, he would've died.

I only see two of these as real accomplishments, that somebody else didn't already do. Yeah, they got him to admit it, which was something L couldn't do, but that was because Mikami messed up, which is also why I believe K>N>M, Light didn't mess up, I believe, until he pulled out the watch at the end. Mikami did in essence make a good call, but he shouldn't have done it out of schedule. You're trying to say that they together are better than L because they caught K, but that's not necessarily true.

Also, that one part is interesting, because L was under the assumption that even though Light is definately Kira, he had no memory of being Kira, and also didn't know that you'd regain your memories if you touched the Note. Also, nobody knew about his watch pieces. L would've really overlooked something if his name was in the notebook, but it was on a little slip of paper that nobody knew about. That was an excellent plan on Light-O's side.

[chronicdevil]

I'll highlight everything I remember that they found out.
Found out about the Death Note~L did this
Found out about Shinigami~L did this
Figured out that new L=Kira~L knew that if he lost, this would happen
Found out who X-Kira was~didn't exist, and wouldn't have if L was around
Connected Tacky with Kira~same as ^
Revealed one fake rule~Yeah...they got this one.
Got Kira killed~no matter who caught him, he would've died.

I only see two of these as real accomplishments, that somebody else didn't already do. Yeah, they got him to admit it, which was something L couldn't do, but that was because Mikami messed up, which is also why I believe K>N>M, Light didn't mess up, I believe, until he pulled out the watch at the end. Mikami did in essence make a good call, but he shouldn't have done it out of schedule. You're trying to say that they together are better than L because they caught K, but that's not necessarily true.

Also, that one part is interesting, because L was under the assumption that even though Light is definately Kira, he had no memory of being Kira, and also didn't know that you'd regain your memories if you touched the Note. Also, nobody knew about his watch pieces. L would've really overlooked something if his name was in the notebook, but it was on a little slip of paper that nobody knew about. That was an excellent plan on Light-O's side.
N alone came to the conclusion that the Death note existed based entirely on information that the government provided him (even though the government never knew of the Death note themselves). And given that the whole Kira case was top secret, this information couldn't have been a lot. This alone is an incredible feat in terms of his deductive skills. However you could say that it's because of L that the information existed in the first place, but that doesn't necessarily mean N couldn't have made the discovery by himself. It would have rendered the majority of the series completely pointless if N had made that conclusion on his own.

You also make it sound as if the information they discovered had no real significance or importance due to the fact that L had already made those discoveries, but you have to keep in mind how difficult it was for L to just find out about the Death note. Figuring out that 2 of the rules were fake is actually a major discovery, as it was because of those rules that most of the suspicion on Light and Misa was lifted (even when the evidence against Misa was overwhelming).

Other than the fact that N and M caught Kira, I also think the two of them are superior to L because of how they completely outsmarted Light. It wasn't exactly Mikami's fault, as his actions were taken into account by Light. It was because of Mello that Near was able to completely outwit Light...something that L never did.

Personally I don't think there's anything to excuse L's utter failure to not oversee Light's actions in the helicopter. L is supposedly the person who you believe to be smarter than not 1 but 2 of the people who helped catch Light. L has proven to have incredible intelligence and perception on numerous occasions, and has made discoveries that any person of normal or even above average intelligence would find inconceivable, and yet he couldn't even keep an eye on his number 1 Kira suspect (a known genious might I add) that was handcuffed to him, was sitting less than a few centimetres from him in a helicopter with little space to move around, AND had the known murder weapon in his hands. You'd think he'd at least be able to make sure he knew exactly what he was doing with the note. The reason he didn't is because he assumed that Light wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything with him next to him, but come on, this is supposed to be someone who's one step ahead of everyone, of course he's going to do the opposite to what a normal person would do.

And the plan sucked big time, Light was just lucky that L was too stupid to at least look over to him for a minute or so, maybe more, seeing as Light had enough time to regain his memories, think of a plan, carefully take apart his watch and pull a small piece of paper out, take out a needle, ***** his finger until enough blood came out, carefully right someone's name onto a small piece of paper using his blood and a needle, put the paper and watch away AND wait for 40 long seconds.

[SpiritOfFire]

N alone came to the conclusion that the Death note existed based entirely on information that the government provided him (even though the government never knew of the Death note themselves). And given that the whole Kira case was top secret, this information couldn't have been a lot. This alone is an incredible feat in terms of his deductive skills. However you could say that it's because of L that the information existed in the first place, but that doesn't necessarily mean N couldn't have made the discovery by himself. It would have rendered the majority of the series completely pointless if N had made that conclusion on his own.

You also make it sound as if the information they discovered had no real significance or importance due to the fact that L had already made those discoveries, but you have to keep in mind how difficult it was for L to just find out about the Death note. Figuring out that 2 of the rules were fake is actually a major discovery, as it was because of those rules that most of the suspicion on Light and Misa was lifted (even when the evidence against Misa was overwhelming).

Other than the fact that N and M caught Kira, I also think the two of them are superior to L because of how they completely outsmarted Light. It wasn't exactly Mikami's fault, as his actions were taken into account by Light. It was because of Mello that Near was able to completely outwit Light...something that L never did.

Personally I don't think there's anything to excuse L's utter failure to not oversee Light's actions in the helicopter. L is supposedly the person who you believe to be smarter than not 1 but 2 of the people who helped catch Light. L has proven to have incredible intelligence and perception on numerous occasions, and has made discoveries that any person of normal or even above average intelligence would find inconceivable, and yet he couldn't even keep an eye on his number 1 Kira suspect (a known genious might I add) that was handcuffed to him, was sitting less than a few centimetres from him in a helicopter with little space to move around, AND had the known murder weapon in his hands. You'd think he'd at least be able to make sure he knew exactly what he was doing with the note. The reason he didn't is because he assumed that Light wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything with him next to him, but come on, this is supposed to be someone who's one step ahead of everyone, of course he's going to do the opposite to what a normal person would do.

And the plan sucked big time, Light was just lucky that L was too stupid to at least look over to him for a minute or so, maybe more, seeing as Light had enough time to regain his memories, think of a plan, carefully take apart his watch and pull a small piece of paper out, take out a needle, ***** his finger until enough blood came out, carefully right someone's name onto a small piece of paper using his blood and a needle, put the paper and watch away AND wait for 40 long seconds.This is getting interesting, indeed.

I remember that he was told that the Death Note existed, yet just didn't ever see it to confirm. Also, I agree that N has good deductive abilities, but he mostly pursues hunches, and hypothetical scenarios rather than having enough evidence to supportive. 9You could call this informed guesswork, or something. Also, there's no way that Ne could've gotten anywhere without L before him in terms of the Kira investigation, because Near is too afraid. If you compare L's strategy, which was to box Kira in so that he couldn't move. Obviously if L would've died when Light wasn't right under monitor, he told the KIT to assume that Light is Kira. He got up close with the suspect and actually monitored him, and probed him probably several times a day. Light only won because he used Rem as a Proxy, it's effective, but that doesn't make him any better. L's number one suggestion was to just kill Light and see if the murder stopped. Near's way of capturing Kira was a simple assumption that Kira wouldn't know what he'd done, but in fact, he did know, the only reason it didn't work out is because Mikami messed up. It's 93% Mikami's fault, and Near's plan was based on pure luck.

First of all, the story takes place from somewhere between 2003-2010. L met his end on November 5, 2004. Between then, Near and Mello had been on the Kira case, for 6 whole years. That's not too quickly to deduce something if you ask me. I'll admit that they found out that the rule was fake, but they only found out one of them before Ryuk actually told them, and that was because Mello checked. L couldn't check because the Investigation team wouldn't let him, but that's not my point.

And with the Notebook, they weren't sure that it was the tool that killed people yet. And he didn't just think of a plan, this was premeditated, he knew that when he lost his memories that he'd catch the new Kira, touch the notebook eventally, and then write the name on the paper in his watch. The time frame that this scene occured in was probably very short. He probably got his memories and plan back the instant the touched the Death Note, and immediately did the writing. It must've taken 12 seconds at most. When a commander is leading a mission, he's watching the battle and giving orders, not necessarily always watching his subordinates work.

[chronicdevil]

This is getting interesting, indeed.

I remember that he was told that the Death Note existed, yet just didn't ever see it to confirm. Also, I agree that N has good deductive abilities, but he mostly pursues hunches, and hypothetical scenarios rather than having enough evidence to supportive. 9You could call this informed guesswork, or something. Also, there's no way that Ne could've gotten anywhere without L before him in terms of the Kira investigation, because Near is too afraid. If you compare L's strategy, which was to box Kira in so that he couldn't move. Obviously if L would've died when Light wasn't right under monitor, he told the KIT to assume that Light is Kira. He got up close with the suspect and actually monitored him, and probed him probably several times a day. Light only won because he used Rem as a Proxy, it's effective, but that doesn't make him any better. L's number one suggestion was to just kill Light and see if the murder stopped. Near's way of capturing Kira was a simple assumption that Kira wouldn't know what he'd done, but in fact, he did know, the only reason it didn't work out is because Mikami messed up. It's 93% Mikami's fault, and Near's plan was based on pure luck.

First of all, the story takes place from somewhere between 2003-2010. L met his end on November 5, 2004. Between then, Near and Mello had been on the Kira case, for 6 whole years. That's not too quickly to deduce something if you ask me. I'll admit that they found out that the rule was fake, but they only found out one of them before Ryuk actually told them, and that was because Mello checked. L couldn't check because the Investigation team wouldn't let him, but that's not my point.

And with the Notebook, they weren't sure that it was the tool that killed people yet. And he didn't just think of a plan, this was premeditated, he knew that when he lost his memories that he'd catch the new Kira, touch the notebook eventally, and then write the name on the paper in his watch. The time frame that this scene occured in was probably very short. He probably got his memories and plan back the instant the touched the Death Note, and immediately did the writing. It must've taken 12 seconds at most. When a commander is leading a mission, he's watching the battle and giving orders, not necessarily always watching his subordinates work.
N wasn't told that the Death note existed, he used his own research on the Kira case to come to that conclusion, research that he built up by himself during the 3 years after L's death.

Both L and Near pursue hunches based on little evidence, if I remember correctly, L pursued his hunch that Light was Kira when he was only 5% sure (and failed). The job of the detective is to go out and find the evidence, and it just so happened that N and M were able to find such evidence whereas L was not.

It's impossible to say whether N and M would have caught Kira without L, so there's no point in me saying anymore about that, but it's certainly not impossible.

Light defeated L because he was able to manipulate the people around him, which is a very effective method like you said. And even though Light and L had near enough the same intelligence, it's because of that ability that in that situation it's clear that Light was the better of the two.

The fact that L is only one person severely limits his options. N and M weren't nearly as bound by those around them, which made it a lot easier for them to implement their ideas and strategies. It's because of his limitation that L wasn't able to carry out what you believe to be his number one plan (although I still don't think he would have killed Light even if he wanted to). This is another reason why N and M are superior, as two heads are definitely better than one.

Near's plan wasn't based on luck, he knew what he was doing, he took advantage and made use of what he knew. And it wasn't Mikami's fault, he was doing what he was supposed to, it's Light's fault for not taking everything into account (i.e. the effects of Mikami's strict routine and thought process). Like I said before (and what Near himself said), it was Mello who allowed Near to stay ahead of Light, if it wasn't for him, Light would have won. Which is the very reason why individually N and M couldn't surpass L, but together they did just that. You shouldn't need anything more than that to understand it, seeing as it says so in the manga.

About the dates, Near and Mello started the case in 2005-6, and Light died in early 2010, so that's only roughly 4 years. Either way the time it took doesn't hold much significance, as long as they achieved their goal. You're right that L couldn't check one of the rules, but this again is one of his limitations.

Not being sure if the note book is the murder weapon is even more reason to keep an eye on it don't you think? I highly doubt it took 12 seconds to write the name, but even if it did, we know it took a further 40 seconds for him to die. Now 52 seconds is a long time for someone in such a closed space to not at least glance to the right just a bit, especially given the circumstances I mentioned above. There's no reason to defend L in this case, it's his own negligence that caused the events to come. If he had taken the note book away before Higuchi died, Light would have lost his memories and the case would have been solved. Of course L's stupidity was necessary for the story to continue, but that doesn't forgive the fact that his actions (or lack of) were pretty stupid. Now whether N and M would have made that mistake we'll never know...although I doubt they would, as even I wouldn't make that mistake if I were in L's position, would you?

[SpiritOfFire]

N wasn't told that the Death note existed, he used his own research on the Kira case to come to that conclusion, research that he built up by himself during the 3 years after L's death.

Both L and Near pursue hunches based on little evidence, if I remember correctly, L pursued his hunch that Light was Kira when he was only 5% sure (and failed). The job of the detective is to go out and find the evidence, and it just so happened that N and M were able to find such evidence whereas L was not.

It's impossible to say whether N and M would have caught Kira without L, so there's no point in me saying anymore about that, but it's certainly not impossible.

Light defeated L because he was able to manipulate the people around him, which is a very effective method like you said. And even though Light and L had near enough the same intelligence, it's because of that ability that in that situation it's clear that Light was the better of the two.

The fact that L is only one person severely limits his options. N and M weren't nearly as bound by those around them, which made it a lot easier for them to implement their ideas and strategies. It's because of his limitation that L wasn't able to carry out what you believe to be his number one plan (although I still don't think he would have killed Light even if he wanted to). This is another reason why N and M are superior, as two heads are definitely better than one.

Near's plan wasn't based on luck, he knew what he was doing, he took advantage and made use of what he knew. And it wasn't Mikami's fault, he was doing what he was supposed to, it's Light's fault for not taking everything into account (i.e. the effects of Mikami's strict routine and thought process). Like I said before (and what Near himself said), it was Mello who allowed Near to stay ahead of Light, if it wasn't for him, Light would have won. Which is the very reason why individually N and M couldn't surpass L, but together they did just that. You shouldn't need anything more than that to understand it, seeing as it says so in the manga.

About the dates, Near and Mello started the case in 2005-6, and Light died in early 2010, so that's only roughly 4 years. Either way the time it took doesn't hold much significance, as long as they achieved their goal. You're right that L couldn't check one of the rules, but this again is one of his limitations.

Not being sure if the note book is the murder weapon is even more reason to keep an eye on it don't you think? I highly doubt it took 12 seconds to write the name, but even if it did, we know it took a further 40 seconds for him to die. Now 52 seconds is a long time for someone in such a closed space to not at least glance to the right just a bit, especially given the circumstances I mentioned above. There's no reason to defend L in this case, it's his own negligence that caused the events to come. If he had taken the note book away before Higuchi died, Light would have lost his memories and the case would have been solved. Of course L's stupidity was necessary for the story to continue, but that doesn't forgive the fact that his actions (or lack of) were pretty stupid. Now whether N and M would have made that mistake we'll never know...although I doubt they would, as even I wouldn't make that mistake if I were in L's position, would you?Excuse me if this seems half-assed.
I wasn't sure about that part, and still am not, but I'll take your word for it.

That's a flawed statement, as they both had the evidence. Even Light admitted that the only proof in the world is the Death Note. And even though L was only X% sure, Light was his only suspect, and you can never be sure unless the suspicion is 0%. That's highly logical.

I won't necessarily "argue" with you on that, as it didn't happen so nobody can know. But I still say they couldn't do it, even together. To me they're just some freakin' kids. And in that situation, M would be more successful that N. M had a good tactic going, be it crude. Near was just sitting there, gathering information.

Light did take into account what Mikami did, and when. It was Mikami's fault for breaking habit and going back to that bank. You wouldn't even think that a straight-scheduled guy like him would break tradition, and that was exactly why Light lost. If Matt had not have seen Mikami go back and do something, Near's plan would not haver worked. Mikami should've waited until when he did his daily killings to do it. In other words, If Mikami didn't mess up, Mello wouldn't have figured it out, and Light would've won. And yes, I do need more than what Near said, he didn't even care that L was dead, of course HE would never say L was better than the ones who caught the criminal.

I only said about the time because you were talking about how fast Near managed to put everything together. L's the 3 greatest detectives in the world, he can do whatever he wants to, I figure he didn't want to because he'd just be a murderer. I'll admit that Mello could just test out whatever because he didn't care about anything but his chocolate bars, and that gave way for alot of possibilities.

And actually, I probably would not have looked at Light during that time either. You never know what could happen when you're leading an operation, Higuchi could've pulled out a gun or something, you have to watch things closely, but he doesn't have several sets of eyes. And I'm not sure about this, but I think that Light's suspection percentage was pretty low at that time, so maybe L eased up on him a bit. It had to have been low, because Light wasn't Kira during that time, don't you think?

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