What Disney Attractions should have been built!

[jaybuoy]

Now there has to be tones of unbuilt attractions for the Disney parks since the opening of the first Disney park. But which ones do you think the parks would have profited from, and should have been built.

[kc_rc_fan]

Fire Mountain. Even though there are a lot of Disney "mountains" this would be a thrill ride it seems like to me!!

[Alpengeist]

Fire Mountain. ...anything that involves a rollercoaster is alright by me.;)

[Cyberleader]

Beastly Kingdom.

Just get on with it!

[jaybuoy]

Is beastly kingdom being built or not, and what was meant to be in it, I heard a stand up dark ride, is that it or was more planned.

[Cyberleader]

Well, they are supposed to be building it eventually. Have you ever wondered why there's a Dragon in the AK logo, but no Dragons in the park?

It would apparently include at least one new E-Ticket Attraction.

[jaybuoy]

Oh yeah, well I think the park was planning beatly kingdom from the opening of the park, and when they ran out of money, what seems to happen to all disney parks. They could not be bothered to remove the dragon from the logo. Makes sence, sort of.

[kc_rc_fan]

So their adding a new area to Animal Kingdom? If they are it means another trip to Florida.........lol.

[Dormouse]

I say Fire Mountain.

To me, Beastly Kingdom along with the roller coaster that was planned for that section, would completely take away the atmosphere that Animal Kingdom portrays.
I just don't think it would go with the flow of the rest of the park...

[kc_rc_fan]

I say Fire Mountain.

To me, Beastly Kingdom along with the roller coaster that was planned for that section, would completely take away the atmosphere that Animal Kingdom portrays.
I just don't think it would go with the flow of the rest of the park...

Well now that I look at it like that I do agree. A whole new area for Animal Kingdom would be a huge investment for the park but it would also make it more enjoyable. Whenever Animal Kingdom first came they were saying animals that are real and in your imagination. Beastly Kingdom could be imagination..

[Dormouse]

Well that is true... considering they do have Dinoland U.S.A. or whatever.

Actually, I think that Disney needs to add a coaster to one of the countries in the World Showcase at Epcot.
Perhaps a dark thrill ride that deals with dragons at the Chinese section?

[The Ghost]

^They had a plan for a dragon corkscrew coaster back when DLR still had the idea for WestCOT.

I did have an idea like that, exept that it was when I created an idea for a DLR 3rd gate, and it was more of an indoor coaster like RRC.

Oh, btw, Fire Mountain has been created already, exept in a different form (Journey to The Center of the Earth).

[jaybuoy]

I did not no fire mountain was like journey to the centre of the earth, I know its my thread but I could not find out where fire mountain was going to go, does anyone know?

[The Ghost]

Fire Mountain was supposed to be a flying coaster for MK, but then Disney realized the idea wasn't so "Disney". Remember, this was back in 1994, so if they went through with it, it could have been the world's 1st flying coaster.

Then they tried re-working the idea into another new type of ride system never seen before (the type of ride Test Track and Journey to the Center of the Earth is now), but it was later scrapped. It was picked up again during the designing phases of Tokyo DisneySea, so in a way, Fire Mountain does exist now.

[~LoveTulie]

I voted for Fire Mountain.

[BoRJoYZeE]

Fire Mountain sounds cool to me!

[ThrillRider27]

Definitely Fire Mountain!

[kn717]

Can Disney bring back the Rocket Rods? Maybe a little help from Intamin and LSM or LIM and banking turns.

[Squid2]

I personally voted for Western River Expedition, but I would have voted for almost everything.

Beastly Kingdom is high on my list of must see attractions, but Aeriel and Beauty and the Beast would be high on it as well.

However, if I was going to wish for Disney to build anything, I would vote for Shadowlands, a proposed 5th park at WDW. It would be Disney's answer to IOA... a park that focused a bit more on thrill rides than the other Disney parks.

Squid2

[RCT Enthusiast]

western river ride would be fun (i was thinking something like the jurractic park splash boats ride at IOA)

[jaybuoy]

No it was a crusie ride like jungle cruise, It would have been so cool.

[Squid2]

Actually it would have been much more similar to Pirates than Jungle Cruise. However, it would have included much more than just the boat ride; originally, a version of Big Thunder Mountain would have gone through the complex as well, along with other shows and attractions on top of the building.

Squid2

[icutoo]

I think I heard or read this somewhere...was there or wasn't there talk of a roller coaster called MT. Fuji maybe going up in EPCOT in the Japan pavillion?

[Crowheart]

Can Disney bring back the Rocket Rods? Maybe a little help from Intamin and LSM or LIM and banking turns.


I would love to see this come back.
I was fortunate enough to ride them before they shut them down, it was a lot of fun.

Wish they could take a look at solving the technical problems with it and bring it back again.

[icutoo]

Here it is...

Source : http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=ms031107ms


A Daunting Task

The WDW powers that be tried to address Epcot's thrill rides shortcomings but certainly ran into some obstacles.

At one point in the early '80s, there were plans to build a wooden roller coaster in Epcot. A wooden coaster would provide some charm as well as a popular rickety ride. Designs were put into motion and along the way, it was discovered that in order for such a roller coaster to work well, certain height requirements had to be met for its initial climb-and-drop sequence. That was all well and good, but such height would clearly make the coaster dwarf any existing structure in the park and make the coaster visible from outside the park. That was unacceptable.

So the wooden coaster idea was scrapped. Rumors persist today that the actual model of the roller coaster that almost made it to Epcot is in the Boardwalk lobby. I have seen this scale model of a wooden coaster inside a glass container. Is it "the" coaster? Who knows?

There was some thought about an Epcot mountain range. This included a smaller version of Disneyland's Matterhorn with a bobsled attraction and a Mount Fuji, which would have contained a roller coaster-type attraction. Neither materialized due to a number of reasons, mostly economic.

I'm not sure if this had anything to do with the abandonment of Mount Fuji but the film manufacturer of the same name was rumored to have put a stop to Disney naming anything "Fuji" without its consent or at least without Disney replacing Kodak film with Fuji Film as the official film for Walt Disney World.

[jaybuoy]

A wooden roller coaster, not very disney is it. Im glad they did not build a wooden coaster. It would have ruined Epcot, i think.

[Harpo]

I don't think it would have ruined EPCOT, if done right, but I think it would be a better fit in other parks.

If it were to be in EPCOT, I could sort of see it at the Canada pavilion, with a lumberjack theme, or at the American Adventure with a traditional Americana theme (making a coaster that would be like something from the early 1900's). I don't think it would be a good fit in the Future World area.

If they wanted to be really scary, they could do a wooden coaster at MGM Studios, based on the 1977 disaster movie Rollercoaster. However, that movie was released by Universal, so I doubt it would show up at a Disney park.

I could also envision a jungle-themed wooden coaster at Animal Kingdom.

[The Ghost]

They could always name the ride something else instead of using the word "Fuji", like Dragon Fire (nobody's gonna sue, Drachen Fire's been gone for a long time).

Or, they can always open a Swiss section to World Showcase and make a bobsled coaster (not like the matterhorn, I mean a trackless bobsled coaster, but with more theming).

[Squid2]

While we're talking about things Disney should have done... how about the proposed new countries at Epcot, Russia and Switzerland? I would love to see a Russian section... I think it would make a very good addition to the park.

Squid2

[Harpo]

I'm eagerly awaiting the Pottsylvania pavilion. I'm hoping Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale run the gift shop. :D

[jaybuoy]

No it was not going to be a russian pavilion but a soviot union pavilion.

[Hethetheth]

Western River Expedition! :)

[Armenion]

i just love themed coasters; very fun!

but 'Beauty and the Beast - A Tiki Room style' at Fantasyland, with the music
'Be Our Guest', will be a magical attraction, with some nice effects can be very nice!

[jaybuoy]

Whats your favourtie themed coaster

[jaybuoy]

Oh sorry for double post, anyway my favourite themed attraction at disney is its a small world.

[ZoomRocks]

I think they sould just build Beastly Kingdom and fill it with thrill ride because I heard that the Animal Kingdom isn't a place for Thrill Junkies!

[themeparklover]

Anyone have concept art to post?

[Boston]

Anyone have concept art to post?

I did a quick search on google and came up with these:

http://webcot.free.fr/articles/beastly/bk.jpg
^This would be located where the Camp Minnie/Mickey currently stands. I guess there were plans to create a stand-up roller coaster and a topiary hedge maze near a castle.

http://webcot.free.fr/articles/beastly/bk02.jpg
^I guess this is the hedge maze.

http://webcot.free.fr/articles/beastly/river_dragon.jpg
^Probably something like the Jungle Cruise at MK, but with dragons and fantasy animals.

It's actually quite interesting. I wish they would have built it, as it sounds like a fun concept. :up:

[ZoomRocks]

That looks so cool, I wish that was there instead of Camp Minne-Mickey

[supercoolsuper]

Oh wow! Sweet!

Well, I chose Fire Mountain!

[Alpengeist]

If they were to build this, please Disney no Stand-up coaster.:bored:

[jaybuoy]

Ye its not very disney.

[cdp123]

Although there is about 7 'Mountains' Disney needs an exciting coaster like this. SO, I voted for Fire Mountain.

[jaybuoy]

Yeah but everyone is saying it has already been built, journey to the centre of the centre of the earth thats what fire mountain wud have been like.

[TheSkipper]

1. Why does it look like you are replying just to bump?
2. What's with all the polls? Can't just offer a discussion?

[jaybuoy]

Ye I dont see why it really matters, I want to keep my thread going as long as possible, and Im not replying just to bump, you answer peoples questions or reply to there comments. And the fact that all my threads have polls does that really matter.

[themeparklover]

Here's some more information I have found about Beastly Kingdom-
The area was to be divided into two sections, good and evil. Using Boston's first picture as a guide, the castle on the far left was "Dragon's Tower", an indoor standing coaster that sent guests on a journey to try to getaway with the dragon's treasure. Along the way these upside down bats tried to pull you into their plan, where they would fly away with the treasure. You would eventually meet the dragon, escapeing before becoming engulfed in a ball of flames.

The good side has Quest for the Unicorn and Fantasia Gardens. Quest for the Unicorn is the large hedge maze, also seen in the second picture. Fantasia Gardens was a boat ride through parts of Fantasia, including the dancing hippos and crocodiles. Here's a piece of concept art:
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16113033624.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5655227)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16113033639.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5655229)

In 1999 happy meal toys at the park included a dragon, and outside of Camp Minnie and Mickey a fountain in the shape of a dragon can be seen:
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16113033698.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5655230)
The concept art with the boat and dragon was once real. When teh park opened, a boat ride around Discovery Island passed several things, and one was a "Sneak peek". The dragon was eventually removed, but his cave remained. Occasionally a ball of flames would emerge, and the cave still stands today, visible from the entrance to Camp Minnie and Mickey. Here's a picture:
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/16113033616.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5655228)

If only the area would open :( In recent years, it has been rumored to open under the name "Narnia", off the movie series.

[Cyberleader]

I hope they make Beastly Kingdom, and do it now and fast, as a combat to Universal's Potter area. It would be absolutely perfect!

[Alpengeist]

^I don't think that's going to happen. It appears Disney is focusing more on Star Tours 2 and a possible retheming of Adventure Island for 2009.

[wwalldot]

Haha, I vote for Fire Mountain :haha:

[Boston]

Thanks for the additional info, themeparklover. :up:

I just went to Animal Kingdom yesterday, and I planned on heading near Camp Minnie/ Mickey to see the rock formation in the shape of a dragon. But then it started to rain (and not just one of those afternoon thunderstorms) and I couldn't get to it before we all decided to leave. :(

Oh well, there's always next weekend. :D

[jarhead12343]

fire mountain. ftw

[GreatGatsby]

I'll dispel the Beastly Kingdom rumor.

Yes, Beastly Kingdom was a planned to be included as one of Disney's Animal Kingdom's lands when the park originally opened in 1998. There are many icons which were manufactured before the plans were scrapped. The "Unicorn" section of the parking lot, the dragon in the logo, and the dragon roars and fireball sounds that can still be heard on the bridge to Camp Minnie-Mickey were going to be used to spruce up the land.

The plans were scrapped because of a budget cut in the park's finances. Imagineers that were working on the land were hired by Universal Studios and brought ideas thought up by Disney to use in the park. The Lost Continent at Universal Orlando is based around Beastly Kingdom's root design. Dueling Dragons was originally planned to be at Animal Kingdom on a milder scale, but instead was taken to USO instead.

To put the "mythical theme" more in place, Expedition Everest opened in 2006. Not only was it used to draw more attendence to the once-suffering Animal Kingdom, it was also used to re-inforce the park's mythical aspect. More mythological creatures may find their way into the park as well..

There are no plans whatsoever to bring back the land, nor are there plans to create a "Beastly Kingdom" anywhere.

Any additions to the park that can be disclosed at this juncture only include the new Yak and Yeti restaurant, and possible show and parade changes.

As for the Little Mermaid darkride that some of you are hoping for: if any of you own The Little Mermaid special edition DVD, I'd go take a look at the Special Features again. ;)

[Squid2]

Gatsby, a few questions.

1: You seem very knowledgeable about happenings at Disney. Can you give us an idea of how you know these things?

2: About your comment about the Imagineers bringing over ideas thought up by Disney... isn't this HIGHLY illegial, essentially being industrial espionage? What happened because of this?

3: Any additions that can be disclosed at this juncture... One of the things I've heard from my own sources is that Beastly Kingdom is being considered again. Not in a very active way, but considering the success of Everest, it's being considered as a possibility for AK's next big thing, especially with Potter knocking at their door. I'm curious, now... because I'm hearing two very believable things that are contridictory. If BK is not the next big attraction at AK, can you tell us what is?

Squid2

[Alpengeist]

Imagineers that were working on the land were hired by Universal Studios and brought ideas thought up by Disney to use in the park. The Lost Continent at Universal Orlando is based around Beastly Kingdom's root design. Dueling Dragons was originally planned to be at Animal Kingdom on a milder scale, but instead was taken to USO instead.


That was all rumors, never confirmed.;) ...the only truth in that paragraph is that Universal hired the former Disney employees.

...and let me guess where you found this rumor, at a Disney fanboy website.:haha:

[GreatGatsby]

Gatsby, a few questions.

1: You seem very knowledgeable about happenings at Disney. Can you give us an idea of how you know these things?

I've worked at Walt Disney World for going on ten years now. My father used to be an Associate Show Designer for WDI, and for unpersonal proof, Joe Rodhe, executive Imagineer and primary force behind Expedition Everest, has confirmed that there will be no Beastly Kingdom at several conferences and shareholding meetings.

2: About your comment about the Imagineers bringing over ideas thought up by Disney... isn't this HIGHLY illegial, essentially being industrial espionage? What happened because of this?

No, it would only be illegal if the plans went through. Since they were scrapped, and since the ex-Imagineers no longer worked for WDI, they were free to use those ideas however they pleased.

3: Any additions that can be disclosed at this juncture... One of the things I've heard from my own sources is that Beastly Kingdom is being considered again. Not in a very active way, but considering the success of Everest, it's being considered as a possibility for AK's next big thing, especially with Potter knocking at their door. I'm curious, now... because I'm hearing two very believable things that are contridictory. If BK is not the next big attraction at AK, can you tell us what is?

Squid2

You're somewhat correct. As stated before, Beastly Kingdom as a whole will not come into play. However, WDI are considering many more mythological enhancements they can make to the park, be it more mythical creatures, or new shows/forms of entertainment.


That was all rumors, never confirmed.;) ...the only truth in that paragraph is that Universal hired the former Disney employees.

...and let me guess where you found this rumor, at a Disney fanboy website.:haha:

It is confirmed.

Fanboy website? When you work for the Disney company for almost a decade, we'll see where you get your information.

[Alpengeist]

It is confirmed.

Where? ...sorry if I don't take your word for it.

Fanboy website? When you work for the Disney company for almost a decade, we'll see where you get your information.

Didn't you notice the laughing icon at the end of my statement.:rolleyes: You Disney people need to lighten up.:haha:

Again, notice I have a laughing icon at the end of that last statement.;)

[Squid2]

Pardon Alpie there, he seems to be in a playful mood as of late.

The only time I've ever been into Camp Minnie-Mickey is the one time I went to see the Lion King show. I didn't hear anything, but I do remember seeing the rock. Next time I'm down there, if I have the time, I'm checking out the bridge.

I personally hope that something along the lines of Beastly Kingdom happens... AK could use some more attractions. However, last I heard the park's immediate plans were to do something about the overcrowding in Africa. Whether that means more attractions scattered away from that section or something different, well, I couldn't guess. A revamped BK would fit the bill nicely... not to mention seeing a Disney non-kiddie dragon would be great.

My main thought is, for the moment, what is Disney going to do in response to Universal not only getting the rights to Harry Potter, but the exclusive contract for Kula robotic arms going to Universal as well? These are big deals... and Disney needs to do something fairly big in response. I do know it probably was a decision inbetween getting Harry or losing Pixar... (right choice, Disney! I would have made the same decision,) but the public isn't going to see it that way, which thus leaves Universal to grab the spotlight in the USA, and maybe even the world.

Disney must respond somehow or be considered 2nd fiddle. The question is: What will they do?

Squid2

[Alpengeist]

Pardon Alpie there, he seems to be in a playful mood as of late.
True.

GreatGatsby don't take it personally, I was just kidding with you. I know it's hard to pick up on that on a forum, but I was teasing. ...you'll find I do that a lot on this forum.;)

Disney must respond somehow or be considered 2nd fiddle. The question is: What will they do?

I've heard Star Tours 2, along with a couple other rumors.

Whatever they do it's a win-win situation for us, the theme park fans.:D


Oh BTW Squid2, did you get my PM a while back?

[GreatGatsby]

I personally hope that something along the lines of Beastly Kingdom happens... AK could use some more attractions. However, last I heard the park's immediate plans were to do something about the overcrowding in Africa. Whether that means more attractions scattered away from that section or something different, well, I couldn't guess. A revamped BK would fit the bill nicely... not to mention seeing a Disney non-kiddie dragon would be great.

There hasn't been any official plans to relieve Africa. In fact, I haven't even heard that it was overcrowded in the first place. The only "overcrowding" that I've received word of is Asia. With the bridge leading from Dinoland U.S.A. directly to Expedition Everest, not to mention the main path from the Tree of Life to Asia, Anandapur (the fictional "town" of Asia) has become the traffic zone.

As I said before, more mythological creatures may make their way into Animal Kingdom very soon. Sit tight on that one. ;)

My main thought is, for the moment, what is Disney going to do in response to Universal not only getting the rights to Harry Potter, but the exclusive contract for Kula robotic arms going to Universal as well? These are big deals... and Disney needs to do something fairly big in response. I do know it probably was a decision inbetween getting Harry or losing Pixar... (right choice, Disney! I would have made the same decision,) but the public isn't going to see it that way, which thus leaves Universal to grab the spotlight in the USA, and maybe even the world.

Disney must respond somehow or be considered 2nd fiddle. The question is: What will they do?

Squid2

At the moment, Disney doesn't have to do much in response to the Harry Potter expansion over at Universal. However, that very well might change. There are, most likely, back-up plans to enforce should a drastic change in profit, attendence, or other finances occur as a result of The Wizarding World of Harry Potter being enormously successful (which, I have no doubts it will be the latest craze in the amusement industry). Plans to answer Potter's beckoning will not just occur at Animal Kingdom alone.

We are not about to lose Pixar. After the billions of dollars spent to buy them out, I apologize but we're not going to drop them anytime in the near future. Believe it or not, a dramatic increase in popularity has reflected as a result of the new The Seas with Nemo and Friends. It has generated a significant increase in popularity of The Living Seas/The Seas with Nemo and Friends.

Harry Potter is big, yes, but the enhancement to Universal's Islands of Adventure is not as big as you think. Sure, it will be quite a change, but it's not a full-out theme park. It may be classified as one, but it's only an extra land being added to IoA. I have no doubts that it will be popular, and I also have no doubts that it will be successful, but the chance that it will steal Disney's reign is unlikely, even to the highest of Universal Studios officials.

From Disney's perspective, tourism will probably boom in 2009 (expected year of Harry Potter's opening). When tourists come to Orlando, rarely do they visit one resort and one resort only. The Potter craze may draw in more visitors to Walt Disney World, so perhaps Harry might have a beneficial factor in keeping Disney on top.

As stated before, it's very unlikely that we'll do anything to answer to Universal, because frankly, we don't need to do so. As I also stated, that could change, but we do have ideas to put into effect should Potter become more popular than anticipated.

PS - The Magic Kingdom's 35th birthday is this year. Could there be some new things? Who knows! ;)

[cchiic]

A roller coaster that goes throug a volcano would be crazy

[Boston]

A roller coaster that goes throug a volcano would be crazy

A roller coaster that goes through a volcano IS crazy:

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p9778.jpg
It's already been done. Not to mention Journey to the Center of the Earth at Disney Sea.

[kc_rc_fan]

^That looks fun...and hot.

[jaybuoy]

A roller coaster that goes through a volcano IS crazy:

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p9778.jpg
It's already been done. Not to mention Journey to the Center of the Earth at Disney Sea.

I heard in about 5 years they will be demeloshing this ride:cry: I hope not thou cause I have not been on it yet.

[themeparklover]

Yeah, and Vortex at Kings Island is sinking in the mud:p

[Alpengeist]

^...and all along I thought Magnum-XL was sinking.:p


^^...and while I think a lot of the coasters at Kings Dominion should be demolished, Volcano is not one of them. While I really enjoy the ride, I still feel like Paramount wasted a great opportunity in making this a really great coaster. ...but what do you expect, it was Paramount after all.:rolleyes: