Wooden coaster supports - "CANCELD"

[michielh3]

The set as you see it here wil never be finished , and at least not in this form ( may I ever , ever cointinue it )

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Here it is , the first one who knows what it is , get's a picture from the next piece n my set :p
- edit - price already given , you are now to late .. but don't worry , picture will be up for public tommorrow )

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7251/sketchup200706141123315qi6.jpg
( top view )


And i would like to thank surfingoz ( sorry if i spelled it wrong ) for his great sketchup tutorials :D

[ThingMaker]

The beginnings of what could possibly be a full blown "wooden" support set?

[michielh3]

The beginnings of what could possibly be a full blown "wooden" support set?

yeah , you got it right :D

watch your pm for my picture !!

[surfingoz]

looks great, keep up the great work:up:

[fathorse]

This is definately most needed! A vital set!

[RCT-Spanky]

A little tip for anyone who started with custom scenery.

You should first have a look in the complete list of released custom scenery:
http://www.rct-theme-world.de/rct-liste/complete-list.htm

Then you will see, that we have two simlar sets like this:

One is made by Phil:

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2530/supportsingame9gj.jpg

There exist also a second set with footers, but I can't remember, who made it. If anyone knows this set, please post a link, because I need this entry also for the CS-list.

[Dan Mc]

but it is alwase nice to have a choce, and maby he is going to have more types in his wooden support pack. this may sound wird but is there any chance that you could do the meatle supports for woodys?

[michielh3]

but it is alwase nice to have a choce, and maby he is going to have more types in his wooden support pack. this may sound wird but is there any chance that you could do the meatle supports for woodys?

no, i am only going to do wood.

A little tip for anyone who started with custom scenery.

You should first have a look in the complete list of released custom scenery:
http://www.rct-theme-world.de/rct-li...plete-list.htm (http://www.rct-theme-world.de/rct-liste/complete-list.htm)

Then you will see, that we have two simlar sets like this:

One is made by Phil:

[x]

There exist also a second set with footers, but I can't remember, who made it. If anyone knows this set, please post a link, because I need this entry also for the CS-list.

I am aware of that , but are you aware of the fact that there are no corners in that set ?? or supports for curved pieces of track ?? or banked pieces ??

And i, also know that this set is going to countain, them.
( i also did a quick caculation , and came @ 167 supports models - from slightly inclined to large steep curved and banked corners - , currently i have 4 done ... )

[MrPKI]

This sounds great! So you'll be doing different heights of the triangle pieces? I'd be especially interested if you did some short ones like 1H, 2H, 3H ect. I've tried doing some supports like this with alpha textures before, but I never got it to work. Can't wait to see more.:up:

[armstrong8991]

Can't wait for this set! Wooden supports have been needed for a long time now.

[~LoveTulie]

Looks pretty good!

[ThingMaker]

A little tip for anyone who started with custom scenery.

You should first have a look in the complete list of released custom scenery:
http://www.rct-theme-world.de/rct-liste/complete-list.htm

Then you will see, that we have two simlar sets like this:

One is made by Phil:



There exist also a second set with footers, but I can't remember, who made it. If anyone knows this set, please post a link, because I need this entry also for the CS-list.


So what? And we have 800 Space Mountains, 3 sets of Catwalks, star panels up the wahzoo, etc... From what I can tell, this will be a lot more extensive then the other versions anyway.

[Belgabor]

Spanky, in this case I have to agree. Phil's seem to be welded, so any properly unwelded replacement is better :)

[LightGrenades]

Cut one of the sides out, left on one model, right on the other, so that there is no "overlap" and it will save poly's too. All you need to do is delete one of the ends.

[michielh3]

Thanks , for all the replies some helped me allot during construction , and others .. well .. they didn't helped , ooow never mind , lets get on to the pictures.

A footer + 3h box ( the footer does go deep into the ground, so when the terrain is sloped , the supports don't float. )\/

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7629/sketchup200706122035033jv7.jpg

A normal box 3h \/

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7861/sketchup200706150828228ls1.jpg

The angled support 9h ( will be in 3 , 6 , 9 high , with and without footer. ) \/

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8954/sketchup200706150830172fq3.jpg

And the beginning of my first corner support - small corner - ( note , that it's wip , and it still has 552 faces .... ) \/

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4750/sketchup200706150832082iw7.jpg

comments are welcome :D

[rctman12]

wow these will some in so handy someday will there angeld pieces 2 ?¿?

[surfingoz]

Nice, a great improvement.:up:

[coaster-inc]

are you going to add the flared out sections to go round the corners... they are one piece i really want, but might be hard to do hmm....

[DarkMeasures]

This is awesome. I usually use the steelworx to create my support structures, but this will probably look 100 times better.

[Dan Mc]

kool, very nice, this set is going to come in handy.

[wabigbear]

These really look nice, but I have to admit I'm a little leery about the possible high number of polys when used to fully deck out a complete coaster.

That's not to knock your work - it's VERY well done, you deserve a huge round of applause for it. I'm just wondering if it's possible to try something that more closely resembles the in-game wooden supports (even borrowing the same texture) but just adds all the missing pieces without racking up a huge number of faces.

[michielh3]

These really look nice, but I have to admit I'm a little leery about the possible high number of polys when used to fully deck out a complete coaster.

That's not to knock your work - it's VERY well done, you deserve a huge round of applause for it. I'm just wondering if it's possible to try something that more closely resembles the in-game wooden supports (even borrowing the same texture) but just adds all the missing pieces without racking up a huge number of faces.

well , first of all , Thanks :D

second , this is my first attampt in cs ever , i am not done with the texture , and still learning , but the high number of faces is indeed a big problem , not even speaking about problems with the importer , which i have never used before.

And useing ingame textures + style kinda gives me a bad feeling, because the only reason i am doing this , is because the ingame texture look horrible when place next to CS.

[pepsie]

And useing ingame textures + style kinda gives me a bad feeling, because the only reason i am doing this , is because [b]the ingame texture look horrible when place next to CS.[/]

Really? :D /\\/

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x21/pepsie_/pic17.jpg

It looks good, but this means that i have to change supports on my woodie :(:up:

[DarkMeasures]

Well the supports for wooden coasters in this game just plainly look horrible.

[CoasterSim.Fan]

Nice job this should be an awsome set.

My only recommandation though will be to make sure you make them recolorble.

s for the supports in game the reason they dont look that good is because as far as I can tell there done by using alpha textures which saves alot of polygons and helps lag but in return they dont look as good.

[Iamok]

Nice, try to keep your items under 1000polys

[michielh3]

pepsie Today 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by michielh3
And useing ingame textures + style kinda gives me a bad feeling, because the only reason i am doing this , is because [b]the ingame texture look horrible when place next to CS.[/]


Really? /\\/

[x]

It looks good, but this means that i have to change supports on my woodie

LOL , i think , that replacing them when they are finished isn't going to be hard ;)

CoasterSim. Today 07:47 PM
Fan Nice job this should be an awsome set.

My only recommandation though will be to make sure you make them recolorble.

s for the supports in game the reason they dont look that good is because as far as I can tell there done by using alpha textures which saves alot of polygons and helps lag but in return they dont look as good.

yeah , making them recolorble is one of the things on my list , but first i need to know how the importer works , and find the right texture for the tunnels. :D

Iamok Today 09:40 PM
Nice, try to keep your items under 1000polys

OMG a thousand ... wtf , so then you will have a 9h corner, so 3 x a 3h = 3000 polys , + 3 sloped supports on the inside ( 3000 ) and 3 sloped on the outside ... ( 3000 )

Thats 9000 poly's for one corner , haveing 20 corners would mean at least 180000 poly's .. :eek::eek::bulb::bulb:


and btw , how do you make a multi quote ... ???

[pepsie]

how do you make a multi quote ... ???

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x21/pepsie_/Skrmklipp-5.jpg

hope this helps..

[Dan Mc]

Really? :D /\\/

It looks good, but this means that i have to change supports on my woodie :(:up:

no it doesnt no one is forcing you to download it or useing it on your woody.
some of us (like me) love the idea so keep it going please.

[pepsie]

no it doesnt no one is forcing you to download it or useing it on your woody.
some of us (like me) love the idea so keep it going please.

I want to change the supports but the way i supported it before it's going to be hard :bulb:

[ThingMaker]

I want to change the supports but the way i supported it before it's going to be hard :bulb:

Oh well, then don't download it when it's ready. A little too much self importance, don't ya think?

[rideslover]

coooooooooool. just look like the wood roller coaster being under construction with the wood, cheer. great job.

[michielh3]

[x]

hope this helps..

yeah , thnx :D

I want to change the supports but the way i supported it before it's going to be hard :bulb:
well , the set should cover everyting when done ... should ..

Oh well, then don't download it when it's ready. A little too much self importance, don't ya think?

LOL

coooooooooool. just look like the wood roller coaster being under construction with the wood, cheer. great job.

Thanks !


now , time for the update :

i have dicided then when i am already busy , i'll also do some verry small corners for the wooden mouse coaster , these corners can also be used inside the bigger corners to create a support frame ;)

verry small corner \/

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8831/sketchup200706161619356zn0.jpg

the inside support for the verry small corner :

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5899/sketchup200706161620104ey4.jpg


and sorry MrPKI , but the set will also include wooden tunnels ... mayby they will work fabulous togetter :p , so specialy for you , i might make the angled one's 1h and 2h :D

this is the open one \/

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5685/sketchup200706161620301nf4.jpg


and the closed one \/

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9717/sketchup200706161632475dq6.jpg

comment are still welcome :D,
and note the i WON'T do requests as i already have enough idea's.

[Dan Mc]

this set keeps on getting better and better, i cant wate to se whats comeing up next.

[Coastercool]

You could use the tunnels as station entrances add scenery and it would look good.

[GiKo]

wow Great JOB!

[. Style .]

Spanky, the other support set is made by Tycoon10 (or something), and they are only structures made out of Shyguys Alpine sets - not custom scenery.

Have you concidered also texturing these as a steel texture, so we can make hybrid supports? Not saying you have to, just a suggestion, but I could imagine, that it would give many, many, many objects in this pack that way.

So far it looks top notch. Can we perhaps see some imported items? Thank you, Style.

[michielh3]

Spanky, the other support set is made by Tycoon10 (or something), and they are only structures made out of Shyguys Alpine sets - not custom scenery.

Have you concidered also texturing these as a steel texture, so we can make hybrid supports? Not saying you have to, just a suggestion, but I could imagine, that it would give many, many, many objects in this pack that way.

So far it looks top notch. Can we perhaps see some imported items? Thank you, Style.

i would also love to see imported ones , but i am nowere to doing that , at this point , i can't even import a box .. but i am working on that as we speak ;)

[armstrong8991]

I think that would be really cool to see hybrid supports as well...but your wooden supports now are fantastic...and I love those tunnels!

[LightGrenades]

Spanky, the other support set is made by Tycoon10 (or something), and they are only structures made out of Shyguys Alpine sets - not custom scenery.

Have you concidered also texturing these as a steel texture, so we can make hybrid supports? Not saying you have to, just a suggestion, but I could imagine, that it would give many, many, many objects in this pack that way.

So far it looks top notch. Can we perhaps see some imported items? Thank you, Style.


Agreed. As for your textures, make them a 64X64 PNG. They are stored as smaller image types in the game.

A couple of helpful hints.

Delete faces on top and bottom of Stackable objects.
Curves work just as well with 5 sides instead of 6.
On the curve, put the wooden bar to the left or right of the corner, so that you don't have extra faces that way.
Delete any excess faces you don't need. Try and delete a line from somewhere, and if it deletes more than you wanted, just undo it. Trial and error is the key factor here.

[michielh3]

Agreed. As for your textures, make them a 64X64 PNG. They are stored as smaller image types in the game.

A couple of helpful hints.

Delete faces on top and bottom of Stackable objects.
Curves work just as well with 5 sides instead of 6.
On the curve, put the wooden bar to the left or right of the corner, so that you don't have extra faces that way.
Delete any excess faces you don't need. Try and delete a line from somewhere, and if it deletes more than you wanted, just undo it. Trial and error is the key factor here.

thanks for the hints !

The 6 sides are needed because also the most wide corners are going to have them with 6 so the whole wooden construction looks slim.
And i just deleted some lines , and brought back the faces of that corner to 460 , just by deleting some lines. :up:
and about the wooden bars , i am not sure yet , i think i am going to finish the set first , then import it , the make the changes , edit the faces , and then chek if i can delete any bars. ;)

And can someone help me with the importer .. cause i can't get it to work ... ( pm me )

[LightGrenades]

If you have some patience, I could import it just to show what it looks like in the game. It won't be till later tomorrow.

[MrPKI]

That's cool. You're tunnels are very different from mine anyway. Mine are designed to look a lot more rustic. They should complement each other well.

[rideslover]

wow tunnel that is very nice....

[Phil]

Cool, looking forward to seeing this!

Spanky, in this case I have to agree. Phil's seem to be welded, so any properly unwelded replacement is better :)

I'd just like to add, I did these way back in the start of scenery making. I was totally rubbish back then, and also, just another thing to say is that nobody knew about the unwelded and welded advantages back then.

Also what's up with everyone using sketchup I always thought that was considered a bad program to use?

[surfingoz]

^^^now sketchup has become very easy with the script belgabor wrote, since Sketchup is very easy it has become very popular. The biggest advantage that I have come across is that alignment is so easy in sketchup thanks to the placement boundaries that belgabor created, it makes creating CS very quick and accurate.

Back on track now, if you are having trouble with the importer then PM me and tell me what errors you are getting or post pictures of all your settings etc. and I should be able to point you in the right direction.

Oz

[michielh3]

I have just found a new texture , i think that this one look better :D

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5215/sketchup200706211157170xo4.jpg

And i now have been messin with the importer for 3 days now ( big thanks to surfingoz :D ) but i just can't seem to get the hang if it , everything get's all messed up and get's placed at it's side , or collision decetion when touching nothing ..

So that's why i am asking i someone else can import my pieces , please .. :(

[sr3d]

Mad :D could be used as a tunnel border thing as well, about the object being placed on it's side i got that try rotating the object by 270 on the i think it was X axis, under the transformation matrix, also try fix object orientation, might work.

[michielh3]

Mad :D could be used as a tunnel border thing as well, about the object being placed on it's side i got that try rotating the object by 270 on the i think it was X axis, under the transformation matrix, also try fix object orientation, might work.

yeah , surfingoz , also explained it to me in PM , but still i think it will take me about 3 months to learn the importer , and i would rather spend that time on buidling more pieces for the set ..

[sr3d]

You'll need to learn it eventually anyway, load up one of the sid files and untick flag 33 (I think it's 33 not got the importer on this pc to check and I'm just going out...) to remove collision detection.

[michielh3]

You'll need to learn it eventually anyway, load up one of the sid files and untick flag 33 (I think it's 33 not got the importer on this pc to check and I'm just going out...) to remove collision detection.

ok , i'll try again , but can we please continue in msn , thanks

[sr3d]

Good luck, I can't stay though I'm going out for the day today and I'm already late be on about 7pm gmt I might be on then or sometime after.

[Old-Spice]

when i import i set all unknowns to 0 and set no flags. my size and position is set to 0... and i just put my size in squares. i never have any issues whe i do it this way...

ive been trying to find a good wooden texture, i was tryin for the one that was use in the wooden coasters to let you use..... so ot world match in colow and texture... but no lick. ill keep trying!

[michielh3]

when i import i set all unknowns to 0 and set no flags. my size and position is set to 0... and i just put my size in squares. i never have any issues whe i do it this way...

ive been trying to find a good wooden texture, i was tryin for the one that was use in the wooden coasters to let you use..... so ot world match in colow and texture... but no lick. ill keep trying!

all unknows to 0 .. hmm that might work , and the what about the first 2 unknowns ?? both 0 or just as normal , nr 1 - 0(unknown1) and nr2 1(unknown 2)

and now flags ...

but just one thing , my model is 16.1m wide ( .1 for overlapping ) what should i then fill in on the squares .. 4 ??

[Old-Spice]

all unknows to 0 .. hmm that might work , and the what about the first 2 unknowns ?? both 0 or just as normal , nr 1 - 0(unknown1) and nr2 1(unknown 2)

and now flags ...

but just one thing , my model is 16.1m wide ( .1 for overlapping ) what should i then fill in on the squares .. 4 ??

Yes set all unknows to 0.... the first 2... make the firss # 0...

unckeck all flags

size and position... set them to 0

and for the size.... well you turn for ex. set the size in squares to 3x 3y and so on.... of you have one thats 2x 2y then put it in the 2 boxes... then below that you will set the position... 1 rct sq 1/4 sq 1/2 sq ext.... put 1 sq...

hope that helps

[michielh3]

just tried it , it's still on it's side , and with collision .. here is a pic .. and somehow most of the wooden beams in between also got messed up ... :weird::eek::bulb:

ingame \/

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6092/shot0289pb9.jpg

importer \/

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5909/help3lc9.jpg

[homer simpson voice/] DOOOOOOOH [\homer simpson voice]

[DasMatze]

On side: Select "Fix Orientation" in the matrix window (its in the mesh window of the OVL-Converter).

Beams invisible: Be sure every face is on the right side. In SU you have a view, where you can see which face is inside and which is outside. Every face has to be outside.

Wrong position: When you create a Full-Tile-Template in SU and select 1/4 Tile in the importer, its offset. So select Full tile or allign it in SU to an 1/4 Tile.

Collision: Try to change all unknowns to 0.

BTW: Would be even more useful, if the texture would be recolourable.

DasMatze

[michielh3]

On side: Select "Fix Orientation" in the matrix window (its in the mesh window of the OVL-Converter).

Beams invisible: Be sure every face is on the right side. In SU you have a view, where you can see which face is inside and which is outside. Every face has to be outside.

Wrong position: When you create a Full-Tile-Template in SU and select 1/4 Tile in the importer, its offset. So select Full tile or allign it in SU to an 1/4 Tile.

Collision: Try to change all unknowns to 0.

BTW: Would be even more useful, if the texture would be recolourable.

DasMatze


alright i'll try that .
And about the texture , i am happy if i can even get it in the game let alone the texture ..

-edit - are you sure there is one of those views in SU .. i can't seem to find it ... :(

- edit , again - i found it :D

- edit wow , if i made posts of this , how would skipper react .. - yeah , found it

-edit - importing and ... WTF AAAARGGHH still on it's side and collision .. but the texture is good now , so it seem i am taking on step at the time .. i'll continue tommorrow ..

[~LoveTulie]

Are you sure you did the fix orientation? You must always do that when importing sceanery.

Also, I don't think you really need "Group" on the importer enabled. When I was importing, I was told to disable that. But you'd be better of askign dasmatzes, I still can't import a wall correctly :p.

[wabigbear]

"Location within the theme" is the overall name for your set...like "Wagi's Useless Building Set". This remains the same for all items in your set.

"Group" this is the main icon for a group of like items within your theme - say "walls". For instance the icon in the #1 spot on my icon sheet could be a picture of a bear with "Wagi's Useless Building Set-Walls" written on it. The icon would be x01/y01. The string name also says "Wagi's Useless Building Set-Walls". This group setting remains the same for all individual items in the set that are of the same group (like all walls, or all objects, etc., or even a mixture of items if your group is made up that way).

"Scenery" is the icon for ONE SPECIFIC ITEM in this group. Say for instance my set has a purple wall. I have added a icon of a purple wall to the #2 spot on my icon sheet. The icon then would be x02/y01. The string name should be "Purple Wall".

I've only just started CS, but these selections have worked for everything I have created and all three set's I've made so far.

[Old-Spice]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t95/Reaper1123/help3lc9.jpg

try that... set all unknows to 0..

[michielh3]

i'll try , but wait , dinner , yeah good timing .. back in an hour :p

[LightGrenades]

You need to have a size in there as well.

[michielh3]

i tried it just like old-spice said , and it still doesn't work .. oh , btw the texture aslo got messed up again ..

and old-spice , there also wasn't any 'large object' , so i called it 'large scenery' ..

[wabigbear]

The texture could be because some of the faces are reversed in Sketchup. You can quickly check to see if that's true by opening the object in sketchup, and then under View setting the Face Style to Monochrome. Faces that are correct will be white, faces that are reversed will be light blue. To fix it just click on the blue face, click your right mouse button and select Reverse Faces from the dropdown menu.

[michielh3]

The texture could be because some of the faces are reversed in Sketchup. You can quickly check to see if that's true by opening the object in sketchup, and then under View setting the Face Style to Monochrome. Faces that are correct will be white, faces that are reversed will be light blue. To fix it just click on the blue face, click your right mouse button and select Reverse Faces from the dropdown menu.

yeah i already did that ( just found out that i excidentaly used the wrong ovl ...)

anyway , have you gotten any idea about the placing problems ??

[DasMatze]

Its still on the side? At the matrix there is a list. Be sure the fix orientation is at the bottom of the list. I always delete the default entry.

DasMatze

[Adnecles]

just a observation and not sure what you have changed but....


http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8081/help3lc9dc7.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=help3lc9dc7.jpg)



put 4 for your sizes and, the rest looks fine the way you have done it.

[michielh3]

Its still on the side? At the matrix there is a list. Be sure the fix orientation is at the bottom of the list. I always delete the default entry.

DasMatze

soo you need to delete it .. ok , lets try again ..

- edit -

... i now have 5 times the file in my scenery list ( ingame ) and in the style themed map are 0 ( i deleted the last one ) and now it gives me the no siv: for sid warning .. how can i delete those again ??
( btw , it's at it's side now , but then it gave the warning so i couldn't see the collision )

[DasMatze]

http://www.LupiUpload.de/080725/AAgQ2aL3.jpg
http://www.LupiUpload.de/080725/b9VE1cdn.jpg

;)

DasMatze

[michielh3]

[x]
[x]

;)

DasMatze

Thanks ! , done that and it worked :D , but now i still have the collision detection .. ??

do i need to set the flags back to what they used to be ??

nr 1 - 0
nr 2 - 1
nr 3 - 1
nr 4 - 2
nr 5,6,7,9 - 0
nr 8 unchekked

[DasMatze]

If you want to do a simple object (no terraforming ect.) than just set all unknowns to 0 and uncheck all flags.

DasMatze

[michielh3]

If you want to do a simple object (no terraforming ect.) than just set all unknowns to 0 and uncheck all flags.

DasMatze

ok , i'll try but i have another problem , everytime after i have made a theme file ( common and unique ) and placed it in the style/ themed map and it didn't worked , i deleted it again.

but when i run the game and go to scenery there are 5 maps saying "wooden coaster support pack" and evertime i excidentaly hoover over them with my mouse i get the 'no siv: for sid:' warning ... WTF :bulb:

[sr3d]

Save the sid file again....and it should work.

Also the importer has an install sceery set option for it just use that instead of manually copying it all.

P.S: I'm on msn now :)

[Vodhin]

Thanks ! , done that and it worked , but now i still have the collision detection .. ??

Size In Squares - set it to 1 x 1... You have not entered the other values to make the size in squares work, so just make it 1 x 1 and it should work..

[michielh3]

Save the sid file again....and it should work.

Also the importer has an install sceery set option for it just use that instead of manually copying it all.

P.S: I'm on msn now :)

yeah , but the problem is , that there are no more sid: files , i deleted them all , and all of the other files that i placed in there. I even tried to empty out the whole map , and then there were still 5 ingame sets saying "wooden coaster support pack' :bulb:

Size In Squares - set it to 1 x 1... You have not entered the other values to make the size in squares work, so just make it 1 x 1 and it should work..


Thanks ! i'll try it :)

But it does not seem verry logical because( in SU )the model is 16.1 x 16.1 meters so thats why i took 4x4 squares , why should i the fill in 1x1 ??

[Adnecles]

when you install the theme do you after trying it go into C:/atari/rollercoaster tycoon 3/style/theme and delete the folder?

If not... they stay there until you do and every time you install a new theme(with same name) it overwrites the old one with a folder inside of it.

so you may have a folder named wooden coaster support with 5 folders with same name inside it.

[michielh3]

whoops .. just found it :D

man .. that was really noob-ish from me ..

anyway , i am away for the rest of this weekend and i'll retry the importer on monday ;)

[{Freak}Rct3]

well good luck with it, your friendly neighbor {Freak}Rct3 eigenlijk woon ik in spijkenisse vlakbij rotterdam

[Crispylad]

These look great!hope you fix the problem

[michielh3]

Ok I finally got the importer to work :D

But no pics , because after some good thought about what ATH said , and after seeing the mrPKI coaster tunnels , I have now sawn the Light !

First of all , I will quit doing tunnels , because they are already in mrPKI set , i they will be compatible ;)
Second , the models will now be much more slimm , more versitle , and have less poly's.
And third , I am now looking for a good recolorable texture .. I need 2 of them , one for the conrete footers , and one for the wood.

Pictures will come when I have good textures ;)

btw. does someone have the mesures for steep and average slopes for SU ?? thanks

[MrPKI]

Average slopes go up 2H or 2 units and steeps go up 8H or 8 units. Glad to hear you got the importer to work, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of this set.:up:

[michielh3]

Thanks MrPKI :)

new pic , this is my prgress so far , with the redisign.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7343/sketchup200706301126523ey3.jpg

the set now features :

angled support 3h - 6h -9h
beam - 1h - 2h - 3h
box - 1h - 2h - 3h
crossbeam 3h ( will make a 1h - 2h - 6h )
horizontal beam


I am still looking for a texture .. without it , i can't import it to make ingame screens ;)

[Sjoelie]

this is gonne be a cool set m8

[DasMatze]

Texture:
http://dasmatze.da.funpic.de/images/rct3/0124rec1.bmp

DasMatze

[godsmuffinman]

I am very excited to get this set!!

[michielh3]

Thanks for the texture DasMatze :D

here is the first pic from the ingame 3h anlged support , as you can see i still have some texture issues , but i already found that out myself ;)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4354/shot0311of9.jpg

[Rct3NuT]

This isn't going to pop out of the ground like tycoon10's? This has a lot more variety then the other wooden support sets. Keep up the awesome work!

[Pentheon]

what about having a bottom piece that already is attatched to a footer?

cause sometimes footers dont always line up that great on some parts.

just a suggestion

[n747]

This is where an extensive alpha-mapped set might come in handy for the woodies. That way you could halve your poly count by getting rid of unseen and un-needed polygons. I haven't worked in the importer for this game, but from my experience in other 3d programs, if you can fake the model by texturing, it's highly recommended.

[sr3d]

Very, Very nice, I wouldn't use alphamaps for this myself, might save some polys but there isn't that many in them anyway, probably like 8 polys in the vertical parts?

[michielh3]

This isn't going to pop out of the ground like tycoon10's? This has a lot more variety then the other wooden support sets. Keep up the awesome work!

You are right, it is a make it yourself toolkit ;)

what about having a bottom piece that already is attatched to a footer?

cause sometimes footers dont always line up that great on some parts.

just a suggestion

I am making footers for all the types of corners + some footer for the square ones ( those will also be offset for the supports which are lowered into the ground )

This is where an extensive alpha-mapped set might come in handy for the woodies. That way you could halve your poly count by getting rid of unseen and un-needed polygons. I haven't worked in the importer for this game, but from my experience in other 3d programs, if you can fake the model by texturing, it's highly recommended.

Very, Very nice, I wouldn't use alphamaps for this myself, might save some polys but there isn't that many in them anyway, probably like 8 polys in the vertical parts?

To be honest .. i have no clue of what you both are talking about ... it's sound really usefull and extremely difficult ...



Now for the update , i have imported almost all of the models i made so far ( some aren't in the picture because of allignment problems .. )

this are all the finished pieces :

box 1h,2h,3h
horizontal beam
Vertical beam 1h,3h
crossbeam 1h,2h,3h,6h
angled supports 3h,6h

( note that these are the working pieces , not all the pieces )

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/993/shot0313cy6.jpg

as you can see , they are fully recolorable

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2218/shot0314zp8.jpg

This is what i build with it , in 5 minutes ;)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3740/shot0315lb4.jpg

I still need to make some connecting squares for those crossbeams, and as you can see , i used the supportkiller from The_Cook's 'trackbeds' as i don't know how to make them ( yet )

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9465/shot0316jg1.jpg


All comments are welcome .

[{Freak}Rct3]

looks nice, you finally managed to import everything well good luck with everything

[~LoveTulie]

Looks really good! Can't wait to see more!

[Crispylad]

Pretty sweet.But make a pic with the same color suports as the coaster.

[Iamok]

For the little spaces just make beams.
[This is advice, not a command] :o

[rctman12]

Wow that's amazing work this will come in so handy for space mountain supports awsome 5 stars

[armstrong8991]

These look great...if you ever learn how to make the support killers it would be great if they were invisible

[n747]

Wow, looks great - you may even want to bulk up the beams just a tad. If this set makes it to release, it'll be a MUCH needed and MUCH appreciated piece of this game. Great work man.

[lego3366]

nice imported pieces! cant wait to use em!

note: The_Cook's trackbeds, not Vodhins

[michielh3]

nice imported pieces! cant wait to use em!

note: The_Cook's trackbeds, not Vodhins

OOPs ... sorry The_Cook ...
Thanks for the notice :)

[Belgabor]

Looks nice so far. Two things:
- You should make pieces to enlarge big supports without overlapping. What I mean is make versions of the big sloped support and the square supports that lack the left or right part so they attack to a existing full one.
- Your sloped parts are wrong. You made the end the same diameter as the vertical or horizontal beams, but that leads to a wrong diameter "during" the slope. You need to model them in a way that the diameter is correct, but the ends vary depending on the slope angle and what they attach to. The problem is plainly visible if you look closely at your steep sloped support, the beam diameter changes over the length.

[michielh3]

Looks nice so far. Two things:
- You should make pieces to enlarge big supports without overlapping. What I mean is make versions of the big sloped support and the square supports that lack the left or right part so they attack to a existing full one.
- Your sloped parts are wrong. You made the end the same diameter as the vertical or horizontal beams, but that leads to a wrong diameter "during" the slope. You need to model them in a way that the diameter is correct, but the ends vary depending on the slope angle and what they attach to. The problem is plainly visible if you look closely at your steep sloped support, the beam diameter changes over the length.

wow thanks for those tips !

For the supports , i think of making just pieces for one support ( center beams , and a side )

as for those angled beams .. i didn't even noticed yet , so thanks !

and i found that the spacing for the diagonal beams was a placement problem , so i am going to work on those things and then report back ;)

[fathorse]

What's the latest good news on this set?

[DarkMeasures]

Awesome. I agree with bulked up supports. Despite me riding woodies that have thin supports like that, the giant wooden coasters need bigger support beams.

[Rollerman87]

Yes! Wooden supports! Now I will be the support master. Mwa ha ha! Can't wait!

[~LoveTulie]

How's it coming along?

[michielh3]

How's it coming along?

i'm just back from my vacation ( 2 and a half week in france ) and in a few days i might have some more things done

Thanks for all the comments !!

michielh3

[Azn_warrior]

ahh!! i need this!!!
good work on the supports so far...keep up the good work!

[citytrader]

Can't really tell from your pics, but arre the white supports really and truly white, or kind of that off gray color the game calls white on the supports?

Also, thanks for putting the time and effort into this, I can't wait until you are ready to release it.

[msdavis13man]

This set looks very usefull! When do you think this set will be relesed?

[michielh3]

ahh!! i need this!!!
good work on the supports so far...keep up the good work!

thanks !

Can't really tell from your pics, but arre the white supports really and truly white, or kind of that off gray color the game calls white on the supports?

Also, thanks for putting the time and effort into this, I can't wait until you are ready to release it.

the white is indeed a bit of an ofscale gray, but it looks the same as the white that is used on wooden coasters :noob:

This set looks very usefull! When do you think this set will be relesed?

thanks!
And i have no clue yet on when t will be released , might be a few weeks , could be a month or 2 .. i have no idea ..

Anyway , i am now working on some corner pieces , and i notice the beams look a bit thin indeed .. does anyone know how big the beams are that are used in reall coasters ???
Because they now are 20x20 cm beams but i think of making all the vertical beams 40x40 (hight x wide ) , the horizontal 30x40 and the crossbeams also 30x40..

I'll keep you updated ,
michielh3

[Azn_warrior]

i'm patient... but can you make those triangles go diagonally for diagonal track pieces and such? that would make this set 10 times better

[Acid X]

These look great! I too believe that these have been missing for quite a while, especially considering that in real life the huge woodies that we create in game would definitely collapse in the slightest gust of wind, haha.

[BigBurger]

Man, I thought of making a set like this. It would have been completely different from this. No big pieces, only beams. I've made lots of pictures, but... doesn't matter...

I can give you some good tips because I thought of the problems that would appear while making this set.

First of all we all need an invisible support killer for wooden coasters. These little dots look like stars...

Then, please change the texture. You're working with SketchUp so I can't really tell you options to set to make the object look best... I've got one. Just PM me and you'll get it (if you want ;) )

Then I'm convinced of the idea of single objects. Single footers, single beams, etc. I can show you some pictures of what I've done so far (PM) if you want. This way I count 33 pieces. You could save them as structures ;)

I'm really sad now... :(

[fathorse]

Anything new? This is one set I don't want to see fade away and never get finished, we've needed it too long!

[michielh3]

Anything new? This is one set I don't want to see fade away and never get finished, we've needed it too long!

I am sorry , i am burning up at this point , i have reimported everyting just to see another error mesage .. i don't know what i am doing wrong but i am now kinda hating the importer .. 4 hours work for nothing ..
And that were only about 20 pieces .. :cry:

[adamb241]

That stinks alot

[godsmuffinman]

I hate to bring up a dead thread, but I am in need of some wooden supports. Particularly at angles for corners and such. I was wondering if you're still working on this set, michielh3.

[SumDmbGuy]

I hate to bring up a dead thread, but I am in need of some wooden supports. Particularly at angles for corners and such. I was wondering if you're still working on this set, michielh3.

This thread is not that old. That rule don't apply in this part of the forums anyway.

And welcome to the waiting club. I have been watching this thread & one other one, watching for progress. The other person working on a set like this, I don't really remember his screen name. It started with oz or ended with oz. Any way I posted in his thread, so I would get e-mail the next time some one posts in that thread.

PS, Now I can keep an Eye on both threads! :D

[michielh3]

the other person , i think , is bigburger , but i am currently not working on this set , so nothing new yet , sorry .. :(

[BigBurger]

No, I'm not working on this set. My Blender doesn't run so I didn't have the cahnce for yet. But I will release wooden supports (sometime) :D

[SumDmbGuy]

The other person's screen name ended with oz or Ozzy or some thing. I'm logged in now ,so I'll do a post search & edit this post with his screen name.

[edit] His screen name is, "surfingoz", while I'm at it. The set is,"OzSupports". :D:up:

[deathfearsnone]

looks great can't wait for the download.

[michielh3]

looks great can't wait for the download.

learn to read , i am currently not working on this ..

[deathfearsnone]

learn to read , i am currently not working on this ..


sorry don't have to be so mean about it peace

[michielh3]

sorry don't have to be so mean about it peace

It's not me who is out of place , it is you , to ignorant to read a few posts more, to know what is going arround in a thread ...

And not just you , almost every new person has this , and i am kinda sick of this...

So don't take it personal , or wait .. should you .. ??


:mad:

[Ice101]

I am not a CS creator but I am just wondering how much work does it take to change textures. Cause if it isn't you shuold make a second steel support pack

[godsmuffinman]

Have you ever heard of JCat's Steelworx?

[adamb241]

wow great update i like the look of it great wook so far

[SumDmbGuy]

wow great update i like the look of it great wook so far

You need to read the whole Title of this thread. Then read post #117 and then post #121. In other words it is on hold.

[fathorse]

^ and especially #127 (cover your manhood whilst doing so).

[StarWarsFreak]

How long is this gonna be on hold? Because I've been waiting for quite some time now (since October of 2007.) The only custom scenery set like this is BigMac's and it's not very good. So yeah, please start it up some time soon.

[RCT3robin]

The only custom scenery set like this is BigMac's and it's not very good. So yeah, please start it up some time soon. no good , no good?:mad: you make it then do you even know how hard people work to get a set finished for the community:sour:
sorry if i come over very rude or hard but..:bulb:

[ThingMaker]

How long is this gonna be on hold? Because I've been waiting for quite some time now (since October of 2007.) The only custom scenery set like this is BigMac's and it's not very good. So yeah, please start it up some time soon.


Oh man, I hope he never starts it up as long as it can personally make you upset. That'll be worth it.

[coinich]

How long is this gonna be on hold? Because I've been waiting for quite some time now (since October of 2007.) The only custom scenery set like this is BigMac's and it's not very good. So yeah, please start it up some time soon.

I'm gonna be the good cop here. CS makers rarely make requests simply for the sake of doing them for others. Most sets are made by the user, for the user, and are released as gifts to the community. Stop waiting, since michielhe said s/he isn't working on it.

BigBurger's set is great, and isn't just for wooden coaster supports either, so don't go bashing it because it doesn't fit your image of what you want.

[RCT3robin]

I'm gonna be the good cop here. CS makers rarely make requests simply for the sake of doing them for others. Most sets are made by the user, for the user, and are released as gifts to the community. Stop waiting, since michielhe said s/he isn't working on it.

BigBurger's set is great, and isn't just for wooden coaster supports either, so don't go bashing it because it doesn't fit your image of what you want.
that my friend , you said very nice:downcast::up:

[michielh3]

Indeed , it was said fairly well by coinch , and as some people don't seem to get it, i'll put "canceld" as a title now ..

:bored:

[RCT3robin]

good thing michiel3 ;)
to bad its cancled ;)