B&M Hyper for Canada

[Alpengeist]

Behemoth

May of 2008

These are approximates:

Track Length: 5,318 ft
Lift Height: 230 ft
Angle of Descent: 85 degrees


Ride Time: 3 minutes, 10 seconds
Speed: 77 mph
Ride Capacity: 1,545 guests/hour

Other Info:

Three 32-passenger trains
Eight cars, with four seats per car, per train
Prototype seating


Fiberglass and steel coaches with lapbar retraints and interlocking seat belts


Bollinger and Mabillard (B&M)
Monthey, Switzerland


Approximately $26 million


Some videos of the ride:
http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/public/fun/videos.cfm


A couple interesting things about the coaster, a 85 degree first drop and a new train design.:weird:

A couple things that bother me are the 3 trims and the helix following the MCBR.:sour:

[TheFreshEffect]

It looks exhilarating but being built over 'The Italian Job', it's more of a Six Flags move if you ask me. I wonder if the trains will add anything to the experience, they look like the ones found on an X-Coaster minus the side lapbars. On the plus side at least B&M have dropped the whole Goliath name.

[Silver Park]

Pics of the new ride found from Canada`s Wonderland`s website!
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8530/behemonthzc0.jpg
Wow,that`s an massive ride!
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5135/behemothseatingsia4.jpg
All new revolutionary B&M Seatings!

[Hemmy]

It looks exhilarating but being built over 'The Italian Job', it's more of a Six Flags move if you ask me. I wonder if the trains will add anything to the experience, they look like the ones found on an X-Coaster minus the side lapbars. On the plus side at least B&M have dropped the whole Goliath name.

Eh, its barely over the ride, a Six Flags move would be stick it in the parking lot.

This ride should be awesome but those three trims on the 3 hills after the turn around is pretty lame :down:

[Harpo]

Just a quick comment...

While there must have been quite a bit of math used in the development of this coaster, it's not a tribute to the manipulation of numerical data. The ride is Behemoth, not Behemath.

Admittedly, in the logo, it looks a bit like an "a," but it really is an "o."

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Rumor has it those 2 rear seats that are off to the side will be single rider seats to move the line faster.I don't see how it makes sense,the wait would be a little longer.

Man,I want to go here now.That ride looks like a lot of fun.Imagine sitting in those seats off to the side.What a great ride that would be.

[Maverick2007]

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION OF THIS RIDE. NO WHINING!
1. The "revolutionary" train looks really awful... Ruins the reason to get the front of you're by yourself...
2. What's with the ending?
3. The end brake run looks strange... kind of like a RCT ride...
Looks like it could be fun though. :)

[Jekoon]

The ride looks good. The trains do not.

[TheFreshEffect]

Eh, its barely over the ride, a Six Flags move would be stick it in the parking lot.

When I watched the POV it looked like it did, but from the angle of that photo (the one Silver Park posted) I can now see it isn't. Let's just hope they didn't waste all their money on this, last time I went the park needed a good refurbishment.

[Alpengeist]

Thanks for the correction, Harpo. Now fixed.:)


...as for the parking lot coasters, that was the old Six Flags. The new regime hasn't done that yet.;) ...as a matter of fact, it's been 4 years since they did that, so get over it.:haha:

[LightGrenades]

85* drop? *sulks* Me want.

I dislike the trims on the hill though.

[Harpo]

That seating arrangement is quite strange. I'd almost prefer that it be two seats in front, four seats in back.

Regardless, I think the ride looks like it'll have some really good airtime. I'm hoping those trim brakes are just to aid in control under unusual situations, such as when a strong tailwind causes the train to go faster than expected.

My wife and I are currently planning on visiting the park this Saturday. It'll be interesting to see the construction area.

Personally, I like Canada's Wonderland, but I felt it needed a signature attraction. I think this coaster will fill that need.

(I'm just hoping they still have the booth with the delicious homemade potato chips! Whoops -- drooled on the keeeeeeeeeyboard. Hmmm, eeeeeeeveeeeeeen seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeems to beeeeeeeee causing my eeeeeeeeeeeeeee button to short out. Sorry about that! :D)

[SnooSnoo]

I'm going to Canada to ride this next year. Def will be worth it.

My only problem will be the trims. The trims on Nitro KILLED the ride.. if it does it to this beast.. i'll be saddened.

[Alpengeist]

I don't mind a trim brake here and there. Heck, the trim on the third hill of Apollo is very noticeable, but it still allows for strong floater air over the hill. The thing that worries me on Behemoth is that the trims are on three consecutive hills, and that could make for a major distraction during the ride.

Let's just hope for the best.

[Harpo]

...on Behemoth ...

Thanks! This ol' "manual spellchecker" appreciates it! :D

[Hemmy]

Good thing Cedar Fair was creative with their naming and logo scheme...oh wait.

[Jekoon]

The trims killed Nitro? I can't notice them...in fact for the longest time I wondered what they were there for.

[Alpengeist]

It's not the trims, SnooSnoo. It's because El Toro is that much better. Poor Nitro.:haha:

^^^No problem, Harpo. ...and for some reason I keep wanting to spell it Behemath.:weird:

[Nethero]

It looks like a mix of Goliath and Nitro

[Brock]

It has an 85º first drop? That's steeper than Millennium Force! Here are some concept pictures of what Behemoth will look like.



http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5808/behemothlogo250ht6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Behemoths logo.


http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9712/db2007behemothaerial12vp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
An aerial view of the coaster.


http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9358/db2007behemothhills1ld7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Behemoths hills.


http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4692/db2007behemothlake1gu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Behemoth over the lake.


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4386/db2007behemothrenderingse8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A rendering of Behemoth.


http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7100/db2007behemothtrain3d1wb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A 3D train rendering of Behemoth.

[Ice101]

Silly Coaster! Love it! Since when did B&M team up with Vekoma for some trains?

[fathorse]

I found it odd that there's no dip or brake after the chain lift like most B&Ms.

[Ice101]

Only Apollo has that. Not nitro either Goliaths and Silver star doesn't have it

[Brock]

Raging Bull has a small dip after the chain lift.


Edit: For those who have no clue what a Behemoth is, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth) article on Wikipedia gives a good description of what a Behemoth was. Here's a picture of what a Behemoth looked like.


http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5453/behehz8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ice101]

I forgot about that one but that is it.

[Hemmy]

Well, actually a lot of B&Ms have it but only Raging Bull and Apollos Chariot are the only Hypers I think to use it.

[SnooSnoo]

It's not the trims, SnooSnoo. It's because El Toro is that much better. Poor Nitro.

I rode Nitro before El Toro.. <3

Well.. if it wasn't the trims.. might be because the ride was just complete airtimeless boring crap. Go Apollo's Chariot! :)

[ytivarg]

I think it looks like an amazing ride. Gonna have to get up there and ride it.

[Nethero]

I can see it becoming a recreation in the Exchange.

[Alpengeist]

Edit: For those who have no clue what a Behemoth is, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth) article on Wikipedia gives a good description of what a Behemoth was. Here's a picture of what a Behemoth looked like.

I think they are implying the monstrous size and power, but maybe that's just me.;)


I rode Nitro before El Toro.. <3

Well.. if it wasn't the trims.. might be because the ride was just complete airtimeless boring crap. Go Apollo's Chariot! :)


Trust me, I'm one of the people who think Nitro is overrated. ...I prefer Apollo too.;)

I can see it becoming a recreation in the Exchange.

Ya think.;)

[tycooner55]

Looks like a good ride. The only thing that threw me off are the trains. It's the first coaster I've ever seen B&M build that doesn't seat 4 across. Vaguely reminds me of MF's trains.

[Garfield 06]

Awesome! That is a yearly park for me (sort of). This is totally different for Canada's Wonderland. Every other ride in the park except for the Minebuster is a copy, was copied, or was modified (Thunder Run). This is big for the park!
Personally, I like the train design. It would sorta feel like you were getting your own personal ride on the coaster. Almost like a modified sitdown version of Deja' Vu's cars. Cedar Fair, you rock!

G-06

[Ice101]

It's the first coaster I've ever seen B&M build that doesn't seat 4 across.
It is the only one

[tycooner55]

^ I know. It's good to see B&M change it up once and awhile.

[Ice101]

I just hope they don't do an inverted one. They should just make more dive machines

[K1D1]

You changed your Avatar ice.

[Ice101]

Ya like it? Or should I go back to Hollywood Dream the ride

[K1D1]

I like it.:)

[SnooSnoo]

It is the only one

Actually.. the Dive Machines aren't 4 across.. they are 10/8 across respectively.


:)

[tycooner55]

^ Picky picky, but you're right. :)

[jkx95]

I can see it becoming a recreation in the Exchange.
you got it:up:
me, i really like the ride.
It's always nice to hear there's a new B&M coming around...

[DJ Atomix]

This looks like fun. I like the cars, they are quite unique. Too bad I'm way too far to ride it, but I'm sure I'll get there eventually.

[-NGS-]

Wow! Looks like a very exciting ride. I think the seating is absolutely ridiculous, unless the back two actually are used for single riders. Then it's mildly ridiculous. Why not make the back row 4 across?

Anyways, the layout looks very smooth, and the 85 degree drop is intense! I have to disagree about the trim brakes because the simulation trains took the hills with adequate speed, and I'd hate to imagine how rough it would be should a tailwind follow the trains. The layout after the MCBR is very poor, in my opinion, and could easily be improved upon with a few more airtime hills and perhaps a helix. The inclined brakes are a nice touch. :)

I doubt the ride could every be recreated in RCT, simply because of the angle the lifthill takes. If straight pieces were used for it, the final brake run would be way too long, and if angled pieces were used that would destroy the finale.

[jkx95]

well, I just recreated it.
I should have some pics up by tommarrow.

[LightGrenades]

I doubt the ride could every be recreated in RCT, simply because of the angle the lifthill takes. If straight pieces were used for it, the final brake run would be way too long, and if angled pieces were used that would destroy the finale.

There really isn't a ride that can be. I recently tried Medusa at Great Adventure and the break run ended up being much, much longer than it should have been.

[Garfield 06]

I have tried doing a B&M in the past and having it be the same as aroundthehorn. Arrgh! Btw, Behemoth's logo does look aa fair amount like La Ronde's Goliath logo. Sorry if its been said, but I just wanted to get a coaster out there.

G-06

[stormrunner2592]

wow i really hope kd gets something like bc its also an ex/paramount park and ki just got firehawk last year

[RCT Enthusiast]

Could the way the seats are arranged have to do with aerodynamics? Still It may not be as fun for the rider in those seats. So unless it needs aerodynamic help to run the course (highly doutful) I don't see why those are there.

[sxemike1215]

Here's my recreation of Behemoth. I didn't put that much effort into it so . . . yeah . . . Oh yeah and the pictures are messed up but still able to be seem I'll upload more tomorrow that aren't.


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth6.jpg
The station

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth5.jpg
Life hill first hills

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth4.jpg
Brake run twisty thing

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth3.jpg
Lift hill and brake run twisty thing

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth2.jpg
Top of lift hill and car

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth1.jpg
Lift hill and first hills

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/Hast_El_Goto/Behemoth7.jpg
Gift shop

[jkx95]

here's mine.

http://i9.tinypic.com/4ueni3n.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/61mynx0.jpg

hope you all like it.

[Harpo]

wow i really hope kd gets something like bc its also an ex/paramount park and ki just got firehawk last year

Most of the Cedar Fair parks received a 200 foot+ tall coaster shortly after Cedar Fair acquired them. Michigan's Adventure and Geauga Lake (so far) are exceptions.

Kings Island already has one coaster that tops 200 feet (Son of Beast). The other former Paramount parks do not. Of those, Canada's Wonderland has the highest attendance, so it makes sense that it would be the first to get a 200 foot+ tall coaster. It would not surprise me if similar coasters are added to the other former Paramount parks over the next few years, provided local zoning allows it.

[Alpengeist]

^Speaking of Geauga Lake, Michigan's Adventure, and Kings Dominion, a mild rumor is floating around involving these three parks. ...and it involves coaster relocations. The rumor has Thunderhawk from GL going to Michigan Adventure and Dominator going to KD. Of course, these are only rumors at this time.;)

[~LoveTulie]

Eh, it's just another Nitro with dumb trains. Nothing special. I can get more airtime on Magnum :o




Ugh but fine! It looks fun and smooth! Grr... ima only give support because it's a Cedar Point L.P. Park :o

[SnooSnoo]

^Its a good ride that adds to the industry. Doesn't mean anything where it is.. as long as its a good ride.

Nitro was horrid.. agreed.. but I got more airtime on Apollo's Chariot then Magnum.. which has been horrible this past season.

[Zach6668]

It's a good ride for those of us in Canada, where we've got no B&Ms (except a couple in Quebec).

For me, I'm up in NW Ontario, so still a 20 hour drive from Wonderland, but otherwise, I'm nowhere near a B&M. Closest park to here is Valleyfair, which is awesome, but I've been wanting to ride a B&M ever since I got back into rollercoasters. Next year, when I move down to Southern Ontario, I plan on riding it ever week. :D

[tycooner55]

I really hope Geauga Lake doesn't lose any more coasters. If they do, they will lose A LOT of attendance, including myself.

[~LoveTulie]

I really hope Geauga Lake doesn't lose any more coasters. If they do, they will lose A LOT of attendance, including myself.

Heh, they already did. It's soo deserted there now. Although, with the amount of space Superman and X-Flight took up, they could put a really good coaster in that area. Hell they could use more of the parking lot, because more than half of it isn't even used anymore.

[Nethero]

Eh, it's just another Nitro with dumb trains.

That's what I've been saying.

[Jekoon]

I really hope Geauga Lake doesn't lose any more coasters. If they do, they will lose A LOT of attendance, including myself.

I hope Kings Dominion gets Dominator. :)

[tycooner55]

^ I hope not. You can gladly take Villain instead.

[p8ntball]

I love the new trains. Everyone gets that front row seat feeling. And being tall, I hate coasters with no leg room, and this looks first class.:D:up:

Colors, haha not something that bothers me, but not something pretty IMO.

[Hemmy]

I like the new coaster design as well, but it does pose some possible problems.

It is the same length but seats fewer people than B&Ms traditional 4 across hyper trains.

Also, effecting capacity is the fact that with rides like Deja Vu which use similar seating the GP is often confused as to where to sit, and it will also split up parties.

[-NGS-]

Unless Cedar Fair plans to sell Geauga Lake--which I doubt they'll do because they need to keep the Ohio monopoly in tact--I doubt they'll be selling Dominator any time soon.

Neither recreations are extrememly good, thought the 2nd is close.

[SnooSnoo]

I'm riding this next year.

Plans have been made boys and girls! :)

[DJ Screech 09]

With angled diadonal pieces, this ride would be easy. Without them, the turnaround sucks. I would put the lift hill at an angle, though.

[Silver Park]

There is an picture of Dominator as an model,they say it will be relocated to Kings Dominion and will be placed behing Ghoster Coaster!

[Alpengeist]

^Yay, a parking lot coaster.;)

[GOLIATHpov]

I really wonder why B&M is beginning to use a different color/stripe at the bottom of the box beams on their track segment. They're using it on almost all of there coasters now!!! It just doesn't seem like B&M anymore :(

[Behemoth08]

This is the latest construction photo:
http://www.maj.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1400061

Rumor has it that the bottom of the hill is complete :D

Btw, this is my home park :up:

[Alpengeist]

^Here's another picture Behemoth08 with the first hill more completed.

http://www.maj.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1409604

[Squid2]

Looks like it's coming along fine. If they're building this the same way that they built Goliath at SFoG, they started with the final brake run, storage shed, station, then the lift hill and are now proceeding from the lift hill to the end of the track, just as you would encounter it if you were riding the coaster. (Come to think of it, Griffon was built in the same way. So was Superman: Ultimate Flight at SFoG. When B&M builds a coaster, do they always use this pattern of construction?)

I do find it interesting that, for the most part, no B&M hypers are built for a long time, then SFoG builds Goliath, it gets ranked high in the polls, then a bunch of parks order them. (Universal Studios Florida, Canada's Wonderland, Busch Gardens Tampa... I think there is one being built in Europe and Asia as well.) These coasters have always been excellent rides, and I'm surprised that they're not more popular.

I'd rather ride Goliath and Apollo's Chariot than almost every other coaster out there. (The one exception being Thunderhead at Dollywood.)

Squid2

[Alpengeist]

Squid2, I think you would also like S:ROS @ SFNE. I just don't know if you like floater or ejector air more.

As for B&M hypers, I think they're a safe choice for parks, if they can afford them. ...They are reliable, popular, and they have high people capacity.



Oh and you forgot about the rumored one for Kings Island in 09'.;)

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Seems like the only complaints of the new major rides coming to parks are the trains(Bohemoth and Farenheit)

[Harpo]

I do find it interesting that, for the most part, no B&M hypers are built for a long time, then SFoG builds Goliath, it gets ranked high in the polls, then a bunch of parks order them.

Paramount didn't seem to be too interested in the hyper coasters. The only Paramount park that had any coaster over 200 feet was Kings Island with Son of Beast. Meanwhile, in addition to the 4 200+ foot coasters at Cedar Point, Cedar Fair added such coasters at Valleyfair, Dorney Park, and Worlds of Fun. Xcelerator at Knott's also tops 200 feet. The only Cedar Fair park (ignoring the now-closed ride side of Geauga Lake) that doesn't have a 200 foot+ tall coaster is Michigan's Adventure.

So, it wouldn't surprise me to see hypers added to each of the former Paramount parks over the next few years, assuming zoning at each park allows it to happen.

[~LoveTulie]

Oh and you forgot about the rumored one for Kings Island in 09'.;)

That would be really cool, actually. I go to Kings Island every year, 1x. I think it'd be great. I love Kings Island, but I just think they need a big and good thrill. They don't have anything real 'exciting' or 'thrilling', except for their Thrill Rides (Drop Tower, Delirium, Tomb Raider, etc.).

Besides, I wouldn't be suprised if they did. Kings Island has A LOT of room to expand.

[SnooSnoo]

I'm not sure about KI.. but i'm sure that the other Paramounts.. besides KD, will be getting something nice in the next few years.

KI is much to close to CP to allow for a huge capital expansion such as a hyper. KD just got Dominator, so I dont think you'll see anything there anytime soon either.

[-NGS-]

I've been saying it (not on here) for almost a year now: Carowinds needs an Intamin coaster.

[Squid2]

I'd rather see Carowinds get a B&M hyper. They're much more comfortable for me.

Squid2

[jkx95]

b&ms are always nice.
Very smooth, and lots of floater air-time.

[Alpengeist]

I've been saying it (not on here) for almost a year now: Carowinds needs an Intamin coaster.

I agree, I'll take a Intamin Mega coaster with lots of ejector air.;)

[Jekoon]

I also prefer a Intamin hyper over a B&M. It's a more intense ride.

[Behemoth08]

Lets get back to CW shall we...

http://www.maj.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1410283

Woot!

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

being tall, I hate coasters with no leg room, and this looks first class.:D:up:

I have that problem with Wild Mouses and the old wooden trains are getting close...and I'm only about 6'-6'1

I agree,theses trains give everyone a front row view,so it doesn't matter too much wear you sit.(Well of course towards the back you get more airtime,but that's any ride)

[-NGS-]

I agree, I'll take a Intamin Mega coaster with lots of ejector air.;)

I'm not even asking for a mega coaster. A Kanonen-type coaster would be enough in my opinion.

[canada chris]

wow the drop is not even close to 85 degrees.

[Rupeeman]

I just found out that the 85 degree drop was an lie,the drop is just 75 degrees.

[tycooner55]

^ What's your source?

[jkx95]

^^
Oh really?
well, rollercoaster database (http://www.rcdb.com/id4005.htm)says otherwise

[Behemoth08]

^rcdb got that information from the official site of Canada's Wonderland. Here's the proof that it's a lie:
http://www.maj.com/gallery/Duck/ThemeParks/Wonderland2008/85.jpg

[Squid2]

It appears to be closer to 75 degrees than 85. I wonder if it was just a typo, or a deliberate lie?

Frankly, it really doesn't matter. Nonenthusiasts don't really care about the degree of the drop, and we're the only ones who care... and they being off by ten degrees from what they said isn't going to stop us from riding, is it?

Squid2

[Behemoth08]

Everybody saw the video, and were all excited to see it being a 85 degree drop. "Ohh, I just watched the animated on-ride video of Behemoth, the drop looks insane!" Well, it's no different, even if the video shows the right angle than the "supposed 85" So there's nothing different there. 75 is still a steep drop. Who cares that they lied. At least Canada's Wonderland is even getting a coaster!

[Fbh007]

Behemoth is gonna be the heightest and fastest roller coaster in Canada...Goliath was the heightest and fastest in Canada,GRRRRRRRR!!

Anyway, Behemoth looks nice.

[canada chris]

ok goliath is 175 f.t then dragn mountain 186 f.t then behemoth 230 f.t

[sheldonman14]

I am so happy I live in Toronto I am going opening night and this is going to be my first ride. I don't care that it isn't 85 feet it is still steep!