Please no AF

[fktizle]

I have gone through these forums hundreds of times and in many posts that have wanted characters for the next game, they put in AF characters. I understand maybe putting in an extra What if character, but to add a whole bunch of AF characters is NEVER going to happen. Akira said he doesn't want anymore DBZ, no more, meaning he wouldn't want it in the games either. These are official DBZ games, not MUGEN. Unless you guys buy the DBZ franchise from TOEI, it will never happen. Now, I am not opposed to a Create a Character mode, like in many Wrestling games, but that would have to take a lot of time and consideration. And really, how strong is SSJ6 Gogetenks gonna be? He could probably beat Android 8 with a Ki Blast:haha:. Seriously though, if you add one or two AF characters, more people will request more characters, so let's just keep it on the story, at least until we have all the characters from Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball GT, and the movies.

[ultimateGoHaN99]

Someone made a thread on this but thanks anyways

[donrol93]

youre right. af is fan-made. i used to think it was real, but it's fake! i want real characters from db, dbz, & dbgt, not some fake forms like ss5 or ss6 or ss45!:haha:

[Brocco]

It's really annoying.

[Resol]

Dude saibamen would destroy android 8 with a ki blast.

[SHINZO]

im tired of AF too,but Dragonball online coming soon and will allow people to create there own characters,and the guy who made the Dbz story is going to make a story for Dragonball Online,don't know his name though,i forgot.I think his name's Akira Toryama.It was announced that he's making the whole stroy for DB Online for the 360,So we'll probably see some AF characters in that game,because it allows you to create your own character.

[~~''K-U-L''~~]

How does this thread stop the AF lovers?:downcast:

[Shaz/Vegeta]

im tired of AF too,but Dragonball online coming soon and will allow people to create there own characters,and the guy who made the Dbz story is going to make a story for Dragonball Online,don't know his name though,i forgot.I think his name's Akira Toryama.It was announced that he's making the whole stroy for DB Online for the 360,So we'll probably see some AF characters in that game,because it allows you to create your own character.

Are there any screenshots of that game?

[Almighty Gohan]

Are there any screenshots of that game?

Here ya go Vegetable.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/DBO_Screen1.jpg

[Bakutenryu]

It would be hillarious that at the moment you created this thread, they included a "Hyper-Super Saiyajin 99999999 Ultimate Battle Edition" form for Goku in the next game.

[Shaz/Vegeta]

Here ya go Vegetable. <snip>

LOL well does'nt look that attracting. But still its ok

[liubei]

apparently the only races you can choose from in DB online are humans, nameks, and saiyans. But really, who would choose a human when you can be a saiyan? They look pretty much the same anyway.

[TimTheLord]

lol

Why don;t you want SSJ6.

But seriously no AF.

[dbz_hunter 001]

db online should be good, or at least i am hoping it will be. if the game is really good, i won't need to buy dbz games for another 2 yrs possibly. plus i will have bt3 and since i am getting it for the wii, i doubt i will need to buy another tenkaichi game unless the game has massive improvements (more battles in story mode and all the chars ever in db, z, and gt. this includes henchmen, and all chars that ever fought in the sagas)

[Kamiccolo33]

AF, a big NO NO!! AF is not dragonball at all, so no. Some what ifs are ok, like Buu absorptions and some fusions gone wrong, but NEVER should AF be in a Dragonball game. No, nonono :bored:

[True Perfection]

AF is just crap certain people made due to the fact they can't get over that the Dragon Ball series is over.

And honestly it's ridiculous. Everyone either becomes a SSJ4 or SSJ5 even Nappa and King Vegeta! Or everybody fuses with everybody. It's just a huge mess of crap.

[Mattroid]

Here ya go Vegetable.

Isn't that the main character from Chrono Trigger??

[gingervegeta]

what is this dragon ball online ? what platform is it for ? is it some sort of rpg it certainly looks like it

[Soul-Ex]

Guys, AF rox. Get over it. YYour juts sad thet dbZ is ovr.

[Kayro Shin]

what platform is it for ?

PC and Xbox 360.

[VBG]

Yeah, but it's a korean thing I think.

[Mattroid]

They like mmorpg's, right?

[Conners]

I agree that SSJ5, 6, or anything above 4 should never see the light of a DBZ game... Still, some AF is fun and interesting, such as SSJ Bardock defeating Frieza (I wanted so much for that to happen...)! There are also other What-If characters where it doesn't make sense for them to not be in DBZ, such as SSJ3 Vegeta--surely Vegeta would've gotten that far by GT... Or SSJ Pan, she was able to give Rildo (who Goku said was stronger than Majin Buu) a pretty good beating...
If we stick to nothing but the exact same story every game, it will eventually get boring, so some things I think we should allow for.

[<_Spike_>]

Yeah, but it's a korean thing I think.

If you mean DBOnline, hell no...it's not some free thing being developed by people no one has heard about. It's a full game with a world wide release. And it actually sounds really cool...you can even get married, have kids, control those kids and make whole new races, fighting styles and attacks >.>

[Lil Darryl0]

AF would be great for Dragon Ball Online, well not advancing saiyans but more like custom creativity. But adding AF to a regular console game would be confusing.

[ultimate_saiyan]

apparently the only races you can choose from in DB online are humans, nameks, and saiyans. But really, who would choose a human when you can be a saiyan? They look pretty much the same anyway.

Saiyans haven't been confirmed, just speculated.

[Lil Darryl0]

I could see why they may be having a hard time deciding to put in Saiyans. Since most players will pick them and of course then there would be no use for a human character unless you can turn into an Androids later on by picking human race.



Not everyone like AF though. You have to accept that they have their opinions and you have yours. And no one wants a flame war on such a lovely thread.

[knook]

lol, i hate AF haters, you ALL think its crap because of SS170-3 but those arent followers of the AF way, AF is a continuation for DBGT and usually features Goku and Vegeta JUST like all normal series, be nice and realise that AF can be great if used in the right way but most of you pass of AF characters as What-Ifs but you where all excited about the new fusions, remember AF is just a continuation of GT and they can be crap but some can be great, just embrace Fan-Fics because if you think about it AF dosent exist the only real AF is by PGV.

[<_Spike_>]

The thing is, AF kills it because DB should be considered finished after GT. Fanfics based during the series aren't so bad, they usually don't invent whole new things. Fanfics with made up characters aren't so bad because it's not so related to Z, AF and all those claiming to be AF fanfics is a case of "Too much of a good thing"...it's like...making a Matrix 4...it over-kills on an already complete and acceptable finishing point of a series.

[ssj4 majinbroly]

apparently the only races you can choose from in DB online are humans, nameks, and saiyans. But really, who would choose a human when you can be a saiyan? They look pretty much the same anyway.
no tapion types, no c3ells types no androids, NO MECHAS!!!!
no sufils no majins just sayains nameks and humans im not buying it att all

when is it out anyway??

[Lil Darryl0]

They could have an expansion later on.

[GT_Goku_SSJ]

and the point to this thread is ???

[knook]

to annoy AF fans :mad:

[GT_Goku_SSJ]

ah..

[knook]

you see now, please close this rather pointless thread

[Forgive-me]

You know, your intentions mean nothing. You made a thread knowing it is against the rules to make non-BT3 related threads.:downcast:

[<_Spike_>]

Like you never break the rules u-u

[knook]

SEE what you've done people are trying to be witty :cry:




no offence :haha:

[Forgive-me]

Like you never break the rules u-u
Yeah but I'm special.:heart:

[knook]

true, so true

[Kunato]

I agree that SSJ5, 6, or anything above 4 should never see the light of a DBZ game... Still, some AF is fun and interesting, such as SSJ Bardock defeating Frieza (I wanted so much for that to happen...)!

Really? I think SSJ 5 is more realistic than SSJ Bardock. It is only logical that there are further levels of SSJ, seeing as there are invented new ones all the time (for example 3 and 4). Bardock, however, wasn't even near the power level needed to become a SSJ. He didn't have a pure heart, either. Saying that SSJ Bardock is more likely to happen just because you like the character is not very logical.

[Forgive-me]

AF is some sad pathetic fanfiction that got far too out of hand.

Anyway, Bardock was evil not good. Just because he stood up to his master doesn't make him good. A saiyan is a saiyan.

Any AF fan needs to have his ********s stomped into the ground while manure is poured down his throat via a tube.

[Soul-Ex]

Any AF fan needs to have his ********s stomped into the ground while manure is poured down his throat via a tube.



That's very pleasant.:):weird:

[Forgive-me]

So it once say it twice say that I loooooooovvvvvveeee you.

Because....

You're my only cup cake my only cup cake you make me hungry when skies are gray. You never know thee how much I love you, so please don't take my cupcake away.
Get use to it.;)

[Lil Darryl0]

AF is some sad pathetic fanfiction that got far too out of hand.

Anyway, Bardock was evil not good. Just because he stood up to his master doesn't make him good. A saiyan is a saiyan.

Any AF fan needs to have his ********s stomped into the ground while manure is poured down his throat via a tube.
Seems like someone's fan fiction recieved a bad review.

[Forgive-me]

Seems like someone's fan fiction recieved a bad review.
Directed to me?

Actually, I love criticism. It helps me improve on what I made errors in. Also, I have posted one of my fanfics here before with a pretty good feed back.;)

Anyway, my fanfiction is based on Z. I don't do the other ****.

[True Perfection]

some AF is fun and interesting, such as SSJ Bardock defeating Frieza (I wanted so much for that to happen...)! There are also other What-If characters where it doesn't make sense for them to not be in DBZ, such as SSJ3 Vegeta--surely Vegeta would've gotten that far by GT... Or SSJ Pan, she was able to give Rildo (who Goku said was stronger than Majin Buu) a pretty good beating...


I don't even like THAT. It's cool at first but then get's annoying and pathetic later. Much like Budokai 2's complete what-if scenario. And remember GT isn't cannon. And Bardock would of never been able to reach SSJ. He needed a much higher power level.

AF is also very messed up as they try to have continuity with GT which isn't a good thing...
:p

[Deathwing]

AF is some sad pathetic fanfiction that got far too out of hand.

Anyway, Bardock was evil not good. Just because he stood up to his master doesn't make him good. A saiyan is a saiyan.

Any AF fan needs to have his ********s stomped into the ground while manure is poured down his throat via a tube.

Ouch...

This thread should be closed, it makes no sense aswell GT and AF

[knook]

AF is some sad pathetic fanfiction that got far too out of hand.

Anyway, Bardock was evil not good. Just because he stood up to his master doesn't make him good. A saiyan is a saiyan.

Any AF fan needs to have his ********s stomped into the ground while manure is poured down his throat via a tube.

i said you were Special, now you want to stomp on my ********s :cry:


Breaking News:
a serial AF fan killer has started a vicious slaughter AF fans ********s dont get me started on what happens to the Women

[<_Spike_>]

That's very pleasant.:):weird:

But quite true.

[Conners]

Really? I think SSJ 5 is more realistic than SSJ Bardock. It is only logical that there are further levels of SSJ, seeing as there are invented new ones all the time (for example 3 and 4). Bardock, however, wasn't even near the power level needed to become a SSJ. He didn't have a pure heart, either. Saying that SSJ Bardock is more likely to happen just because you like the character is not very logical. :rolleyes:.... SSJ5 is completely made up with no basis whatsoever. Even SSJ4 is stretching it... although you can say that for the whole of GT... If there was an SSJ5, then SSJ4 Gogeta would've been able to transform into it (although I might accept the SSJ4 Gogeta's red hair as being SSJ5...).
Ummm... GOTEN was able to turn SSJ... Bardock's power seemed to be increasing with every second, the way he was going... Also, in Tenkaichi 3 (and most other story modes with Bardock) you're able to beat Frieza without turning SSJ.... that is ten times less likely than Bardock becoming a Super Saiyan, and a lot less fun.
Wait, Vegeta had a pure heart when he turned into a Super Saiyan... :weird:? Why couldn't Bardock have a pure heart?-- he seemed to be improving as the movie went on.
Oh yes, and blowing up the world is extremely logical... Real-life aside, you can't rule a story completely with logic. If you did, Vegeta would've just killed everyone on Earth, or Gohan would've been killed by Recoome rather than surviving getting his neck broken. Saying you think SSJ5 is more likely just because you don't like SSJ Bardock is also not very logical :p.

[True Perfection]

Wait, Vegeta had a pure heart when he turned into a Super Saiyan... :weird:? Why couldn't Bardock have a pure heart?-- he seemed to be improving as the movie went on.

He had a pure evil heart. And remember you also need a fairly high power level around one hundred thousand plus. Otherwise Goku would of become a Super Saiyan when Tambourine killed Krillin in Dragon Ball.
:up:

Also, in Tenkaichi 3 (and most other story modes with Bardock) you're able to beat Frieza without turning SSJ....

Remember they are just games. They don't follow the series logic.

[TimTheLord]

Lets look at some AF fusions.

Kiriccolo? Krillin and Piccolo fused. No. That is not possible. Their power levels are not equal and their sizes are completely different, they cold not perform the fusion dance.

Vegicciilo? Vegeta and Piccolo fused. No. Vegeta had a hard time fusing with a saiyan, do you really think he would go to the level of fusing with a Namek? NO. No to mention the astronomical difference int heir power level. It would not happen.

Boronks? Broly and Trunks. No. Why would Broly suddenly become good? There is no logical reason, even if his life was in danger. Again massive difference in power levels and size. Would not work.

I could say more, but why? AF is BS. It will never happen. I don;t mind people liking the idea of AF, but please do not try to thrust it at us, and put it in our DBZ games. Just don't.

[True Perfection]

Kiriccolo? Krillin and Piccolo fused. No. That is not possible. Their power levels are not equal and their sizes are completely different, they cold not perform the fusion dance.


Actually that one is more of a what if. Toriyama himself drew it for a competition where you had to draw a what if fusion character.

Boronks? Broly and Trunks. No. Why would Broly suddenly become good? There is no logical reason, even if his life was in danger.

Broly becming good? That's even more unlikely than Broly becoming sane!
:D

I could say more, but why? AF is BS. It will never happen. I don;t mind people liking the idea of AF, but please do not try to thrust it at us, and put it in our DBZ games. Just don't.

Not to mention SSJ4 Raditz, King Vegeta and Nappa...

[Rexobias]

My friends, I dont agree with AF chars but I agree with possible chars/forms.

I think we have two types of fiction chars the impossible/stupid ones and the possible.

We already had the example with Oozaru forms to Nappa, Raditz and Turles (I think) - one curiosity, we dont have the Oozaru Form for Kid Gohan and this one we really saw it on the series and he played a big role in the fight against Vegeta, lol.

I think this chars are possible:

-GT Gotenks - In GT we saw that they (Goten & Trunks) could make it;
-Vegeta [Mid] (USSJ2) - USSJ2 Trunks after losing against Cell he recognize that his father could make that transformation too, but Vegeta is smarter than his son and he knew the lack of speed problem;
-Gokule - If Vegeta doesnt appeared in the Earth he could exist;
-SSJ2 Forms to all GT Saiyans or at least Goku (we saw him against Rilldo, or at least the appaearance), Vegeta and Gohan;
-etc...

[SuperChronZ]

Besides Akira Toriyama creating the Blue Dragon series right now,I must say we should all be proud he stopped at Z to see his family again. *cries* I agree with Rexobias, we could bring back some very possible what-if characters

[VBG]

Bardock's power level increased to 10,000 ish while Vegeta while landing on Namek had 24,000.

[ultimate_saiyan]

Bardcok was good at the end, Goku changed him when he saw him in his visions. He is not evil but in no way pure good.

[<_Spike_>]

He's basically what Vegeta was in the final stages of the Kid Buu saga, knew what was right and the time for change was right then.

[Kunato]

:rolleyes:.... SSJ5 is completely made up with no basis whatsoever. Even SSJ4 is stretching it... although you can say that for the whole of GT...True, SSJ 5 really is stretching it. But SSJ 4 was also just invented for the sake of Goku suddenly becoming stronger. Even so, why shouldn't there be a further level of SSJ?

If there was an SSJ5, then SSJ4 Gogeta would've been able to transform into it (although I might accept the SSJ4 Gogeta's red hair as being SSJ5...).That is debatable. Why should he be able to do that? If you mean that he should because Gotenks could go SSJ 3 is wrong. Gotenks trained for reaching that level. Also, maybe there is something else than power that prevents you from reaching beyond SSJ 4.

Ummm... GOTEN was able to turn SSJ... Bardock's power seemed to be increasing with every second, the way he was going... Also, in Tenkaichi 3 (and most other story modes with Bardock) you're able to beat Frieza without turning SSJ.... that is ten times less likely than Bardock becoming a Super Saiyan, and a lot less fun.Goten was strong...very strong. Even so, he could even become a SSJ without training. It probably has something to do with his father being able to do so before he was born. Also, the game was made so to balance the characters. That thing has nothing to do with the series.

Wait, Vegeta had a pure heart when he turned into a Super Saiyan... :weird:? Why couldn't Bardock have a pure heart?-- he seemed to be improving as the movie went on.Vegeta had a pure heart...of evil. (Actually, he hadn't, but Akira Toriyama just had to find a reason to let him become a SSJ, or else he would be too weak...) Bardock, on the other side, wasn't very good. He wasn't pure evil either.

Oh yes, and blowing up the world is extremely logical... Real-life aside, you can't rule a story completely with logic. If you did, Vegeta would've just killed everyone on Earth, or Gohan would've been killed by Recoome rather than surviving getting his neck broken. Saying you think SSJ5 is more likely just because you don't like SSJ Bardock is also not very logical :p.Yep, you are right. For example, Goku should actually have been crunching the World in bits for every step he took. But don't misunderstand me, I don't dislike the idea of SSJ Bardock. I'm just saying that a further level of SSJ is more likely to exist than SSJ Bardock. I also would like some new story and characters to be added in a DBZ game. It is becoming boring to just play the same old story again and again. However, there are too many people hating the idea of new characters and storylines to be able to place it in a game.

[ultimate_saiyan]

Vegeta's heart wasn't pure eveil, but was pure will and pride. With drove him to Super Saiyan in a way.

[VBG]

Vegeta was pure, his whole heart was pure pride to defeat Goku. What was Bardock's heart purely? Hatred to Freeza?

[knook]

Brolly was sane, an evil genius, SS5 is pushing it but i would love for Gohan (Mystic) to be driven to SS Mystic, so cool
btw he could go SS in his mystic form but his body couldnt stand the power

[ultimate_saiyan]

Brolly was sane, an evil genius, SS5 is pushing it but i would love for Gohan (Mystic) to be driven to SS Mystic, so cool
btw he could go SS in his mystic form but his body couldnt stand the power
No he couldn't mystic replaced his SS form.

[knook]

No he couldn't mystic replaced his SS form.

-_- who told you that, Dimps? :haha: or Spike? :haha:

[ultimate_saiyan]

-_- who told you that, Dimps? :haha: or Spike? :haha:
Old kai.

[Kunato]

Brolly was sane, an evil genius, SS5 is pushing it but i would love for Gohan (Mystic) to be driven to SS Mystic, so cool
btw he could go SS in his mystic form but his body couldnt stand the power

1. He could, but it would take his life because of the power/destroy the earth.
2. It wouldn't even have an effect, since all his potential powers were already in use/revealed.
3. He couldn't, Mystic was a new form/A form beyond SSJ 2/3.
4. He was confident and didn't feel he needed it.
5. SSJ would only decrease his power for w.e. reason.

I think that covered most theories? I myself go for 2.

[knook]

1. He could, but it would take his life because of the power/destroy the earth.
2. It wouldn't even have an effect, since all his potential powers were already in use/revealed.
3. He couldn't, Mystic was a new form/A form beyond SSJ 2/3.
4. He was confident and didn't feel he needed it.
5. SSJ would only decrease his power for w.e. reason.

I think that covered most theories? I myself go for 2.

lol, love them, im sure he said something about 1 in the show, not 3 it was just his true power, new form pffft idiots it wasnt a new form, thats just what Dimps and Spike did to make it easier to understand. 4 is probably true but i go for 1

[ultimate_saiyan]

Yeah because you remember that time Vegito turned Super Saiyan and blew up teh earth. oh wait.:rolleyes:

[knook]

Yeah because you remember that time Vegito turned Super Saiyan and blew up teh earth. oh wait.:rolleyes:

yeah i remember that -_-
its what was said in DBZ, but i wont believe that SS Mystic can beat SS Vegetto, because he cant :P
when Gohan went SS when he was angry with Old Kai wasting his time, South Supreme Kai said "hes going to destroy the planet" and that was about half way through the unlock, let it go US :rolleyes:

[Lord Nelloz]

yeah i remember that -_-
its what was said in DBZ, but i wont believe that SS Mystic can beat SS Vegetto, because he cant :P
when Gohan went SS when he was angry with Old Kai wasting his time, South Supreme Kai said "hes going to destroy the planet" and that was about half way through the unlock, let it go US :rolleyes:

South supreme kai was absorbed by majin buu a long time before DBZ.

[<_Spike_>]

A few points to clear up...

1 - No one EVER said you have to be pure heart of anything to go SSJ, if you believe that...you're pure idiot :o

2 - Gohan DID lose his ability to go SSJ when his "Mystic" powers were unlocked, hence why he was told "Just power up like you would as a Super Saiya-jin" and when he did, low and behold he didn't go SSJ. This was said by Old Kai, so knook I wouldn't be so sceptical. It's not a new form though, you're right there, but it is beyond any SSJ form in Z bar Vegito and SSJ would therefore be unnecessary and a hindrance rather than help. There is no "SSJ Mystic", and even if there was no he'd never defeat Vegito. Vegito is the most powerful being in Dragonball Z :rolleyes:

3 - SSJ5 is made up, but go figure, it's a cartoon...it's ALL made up, though for the record Bulma did speak of a possible SSJ5 in GT when explaining how she could make Vegeta go SSJ4. So... SSJ5 isn't actually 100% AF as it was previously mentioned in GT.

4 - Broly is not a normal Saiya-jin, and there's no tracks that lead to suggest he could go beyond his Legendary form, otherwise...it wouldn't be very legendary would it? :bored:

5 - Knook, that one was East Supreme Kai...South Supreme Kai is the big guy that fought with Kid Buu in the flash back... (West being the gal and North being the tubby one with the sword if you need another reminder)

I'd go for a 6th but there's so much BS that's been posted that it's not worth any more clearances

[Rexobias]

PureHeart to be SSJ?!

Since When?! SSJ Form is obtained with Anger not goodness...and if we look to the real life everybody gains extra strenght when with Anger.

<_Spike_>, I heard/read more than one time that the drawing of Goku SSJ5 was made by Akira Toryama...it's true?!

Other thing my friend, I consider Brolly a Sayian with the appearance of a USSJ2 with the abbilities of a USSJ, or a USSJ2 without the lack of speed problem...so I'm asking your opinion.

[knook]

A few points to clear up...

1 - No one EVER said you have to be pure heart of anything to go SSJ, if you believe that...you're pure idiot :o

2 - Gohan DID lose his ability to go SSJ when his "Mystic" powers were unlocked, hence why he was told "Just power up like you would as a Super Saiya-jin" and when he did, low and behold he didn't go SSJ. This was said by Old Kai, so knook I wouldn't be so sceptical. It's not a new form though, you're right there, but it is beyond any SSJ form in Z bar Vegito and SSJ would therefore be unnecessary and a hindrance rather than help. There is no "SSJ Mystic", and even if there was no he'd never defeat Vegito. Vegito is the most powerful being in Dragonball Z :rolleyes:

3 - SSJ5 is made up, but go figure, it's a cartoon...it's ALL made up, though for the record Bulma did speak of a possible SSJ5 in GT when explaining how she could make Vegeta go SSJ4. So... SSJ5 isn't actually 100% AF as it was previously mentioned in GT.

4 - Broly is not a normal Saiya-jin, and there's no tracks that lead to suggest he could go beyond his Legendary form, otherwise...it wouldn't be very legendary would it? :bored:

5 - Knook, that one was East Supreme Kai...South Supreme Kai is the big guy that fought with Kid Buu in the flash back... (West being the gal and North being the tubby one with the sword if you need another reminder)

I'd go for a 6th but there's so much BS that's been posted that it's not worth any more clearances
yeah, realized that about a few mins after my post :P

1 - Thats true, it was Gokus pure heart that made him a SS, for Trunks it was the pain of loss, and Vegeta the realisation that he wasnt the strongest

2 - Whoever said it blocked his SS form?

3 - So true

4 - Brollys full power IS LSS but i believe that it wasnt LSS it was just maybe a new form there is a theory that the true LSS is SS4 because Vegeta thought Brolly was LSS because he had large muscles almost Oozaru-like suggesting the LSS is a blend of Oozaru and Normal Saiyan e.g SS4
but its only a theory

5 - Spike, i know

[<_Spike_>]

Eh with Broly I tend to just say "let's leave it at LSSJ" lol, he's just too over-rated and fanboys (not that I'm saying you are) always seem determined to prove he can go beyond everything logical and illogical.

As for 2, you have to assume this because of the fact he was told to power up as if he were going SSJ. When he did, he didn't go SSJ, he tapped into his new found powers instead which were far stronger. You'll notice it was the same in movie 13, where he powered up with Goten and Goku but tapped into his powers instead of going SSJ.

[Mattroid]

Yes, he didn't really became ssj in that movie; I was suprised Gohan and Goten where able to beat him...Must have been because he was wounded from his battle with Goku...

[<_Spike_>]

Don't forget it was Goku too, and effectively Trunks.

[Mattroid]

Gokuy wasn't really there like in the Bojack movie...it was just some kind of spirit giving Gohan and Goten hope and mental power...or something...

[TimTheLord]

I've always thought of Broly as not being able to go SSJ/2/3/4 like Goku or Vegeta as he is his own special LSSJ. His power just rises in that form. It makes oyu wonder if his muscle mass would keep increasing over time, exponentially. If they left him alone for a year and came back, he would be immortal. And he was insane.

[<_Spike_>]

Gokuy wasn't really there like in the Bojack movie...it was just some kind of spirit giving Gohan and Goten hope and mental power...or something...

Oh really? Well then, if he was just some spirit giving them that...why did Broly spot him? He was there, trust me. I used to think otherwise too but yeah.

[True Perfection]

Brolly was sane, an evil genius

Yeah, right... He was an insane lunatic. Driven to madness because of Baby Goku's crying. He is a honestly pathetic and overrated character.

though for the record Bulma did speak of a possible SSJ5 in GT when explaining how she could make Vegeta go SSJ4

That's most probably a dub-line.

Broly is not a normal Saiya-jin, and there's no tracks that lead to suggest he could go beyond his Legendary form, otherwise...it wouldn't be very legendary would it?

I firmly believe Broly is only a USSJ2- The level Future Trunks acheived. Movie 8 and 10 back it up.

Oh really? Well then, if he was just some spirit giving them that...why did Broly spot him? He was there, trust me. I used to think otherwise too but yeah.

Remember the movies are non-canon and have wierd logic to them.

[Conners]

Hmmmm.... Based on what you guys have said, I'll have to accept that SSJ Bardock was not really possible in the movie... Though I wrote a fanfic which made it so--let's see if I can find it....

Any idea how to put this sort of thing in a tab (like on the Giant in the Playground forum...)?
What-If Bardock defeated Frieza and saved the Saiyans?
Bardock finds Fasha alive, and they both manage to kill Dodoria. No one believe them about the impending doom, so--against Fasha's suggestions of fleeing and staying alive--they ploughed through the Frieza soldiers to meet Frieza himself/herself.
Frieza is angry that Dodoria was killed by them, and orders Zarbon to teach them a lesson. Showing incredible power, Bardock manages to kill Zarbon after he transformed. Frieza is more angry, and sends his Ginew Special Corps to kill them quickly. The two saiyans seemed utterly overpowered, though Bardock somehow resisted every killing-blow. But... King Vegeta and his elite saiyan warriors arrive. In their numbers, the saiyans defeat the Ginew Force.
Captain Ginew notices that Bardock's strength has been increasing from the start of the fight, and he was now getting stronger than even him. He decided to take the saiyan's body, tricking Bardock into charging him. However, Ginew did not expect that Bardock had been learning to master his psychic abilities... Using these, Bardock managed to force Ginew out of him, and into the eternal blackness of space... Ginew's body fell soullessly to the ground...

Greatly angered by the death of all her/his most powerful men, Frieza took matters into his/her own hands. S/he easily killed the saiyan elites with one breath, then moved on to dispatching the three leaders of the rebellion... They stood not the slightest chance against her/him, Bardock being the only one who could keep up with the tyrant at all. Soon, they were knocked aside.
Bardock was still standing... still alive barely. Frieza walked over to him, aiming a death beam at his heart. Noise erupted her, from the distance. s/he turned to see that the saiyans were rebelling... as Oozarus! Frieza turned furiously to Bardock who invented the Power Ball technique, s/he raised her/his hand for the kill.... but Fasha stood between them. Aggravated by the female saiyan, Frieza pierced her heart instead of Bardock's...

Bardock was horrified.... he couldn't take it. How they were used by Frieza--how they could do nothing against her/him--how s/he killed his friends... and now Fasha.... In that moment of anguish, Bardock became a Super Saiyan. Frieza was horrified--the thing s/he had secretly feared most, the God Warrior which rose every millennium and stood as the most powerful in the universe, was standing right before her/him. Bardock beat Frieza around as though s/he was a rag doll--Frieza soldier and saiyan (Oozaru or not) alike stared in awe of the two combatants. Frieza was weak to Bardock, a speck of dust against a hurricane... Knowing this, s/he transformed in hopes of changing the odds...
This didn't do much good. Square punches to Bardock's face only bruised her/his knuckles, and Bardock sent her/him through her/his spaceship several times. Frieza transformed again, but nothing changed. Her prized death beam, what s/he claimed was the fastest moving thing in the universe, was easily dodged.
With another beating undertaken, Frieza transformed into her/his last stage... Even now, at 70% of her/his power, s/he could barely even move the saiyan an inch in any direction. The mother-ship of Frieza's fleet now resembled Swiss cheese, Bardock pin-balling her/him in then out, through and through again.

Frieza then went to her/his last resort, and powered up to 100% maximum. S/he was now stronger than Bardock. Even so, the Saiyan kept on fighting, taking mighty blows in trade for his own. Then, an hour of fighting later, Bardock sent Frieza into her/his spaceship for the final time. S/he begged to be spared, but Bardock didn't even listen--a great show of fireworks came from where Frieza, and her/his spaceship, once were... fireworks that were meant to have come from Planet Vegeta. Bardock, the Super Saiyan, had won....
Yeah, right... He was an insane lunatic. Driven to madness because of Baby Goku's crying. He is a honestly pathetic and overrated character. How dare you insult the Great Legendary Super Saiyan! Die you ghastly fiend! :p
I must say the, "driven mad by Goku's crying" thing is weird... but I just assume he was just mad in the first place... mad with power and blood-lust. Broly didn't really strike me as stupid... just crazy... though I wouldn't say he was a genius.
Also, I like Broly. He's the real Legendary Super Saiyan (which explains that there aren't actually twelve of them...), he's obsessed with killing Goku (although who isn't?), AND he's crazy :nuts:.... not that sort of crazy :pout: (looks more like a Master Roshi expression really...)! Add in the REALLY BIG and what else could you ask for :D?

I firmly believe Broly is only a USSJ2- The level Future Trunks acheived. Movie 8 and 10 back it up. But.... wasn't the problem with USSJ2 that it really slowed you down :weird:? Broly was faster than all of them.... so it's have to be like USSJ3.... I have a theory Broly is about as powerful as an SSJ2 (he is in Super Sonic Warriors DS anyway...).

[<_Spike_>]

Remember the movies are non-canon and have wierd logic to them.

True, but for the most part they're perfectly in line with the show other than the universal events

[Conners]

Anyone wanna comment on my last post...? Oooh, or maybe we can have an argument about it :D!

[ssj4 Trunks]

i think im the only one that likes Af i think ist cool look at my signature

[True Perfection]

But.... wasn't the problem with USSJ2 that it really slowed you down :weird:? Broly was faster than all of them.... so it's have to be like USSJ3.... I have a theory Broly is about as powerful as an SSJ2 (he is in Super Sonic Warriors DS anyway...).

I don't know why people think Broly is fast. When I first watched (and when I scarcely watch) Movie 8 and 10 I thought/think he was very slow. And remember Vegeta was USSJ and he was fast enough to catch up to Second Stage Cell but not Perfect Cell.

I believe Broly has the power of an USSJ2. He's stronger than Cell but that's it. He wouldn't beat him in speed and so on. And there is more to fighting than strength remember- it's a theme tackled a lot in the Saiyan-Cell sagas.

[Conners]

I don't know why people think Broly is fast. When I first watched (and when I scarcely watch) Movie 8 and 10 I thought/think he was very slow. And remember Vegeta was USSJ and he was fast enough to catch up to Second Stage Cell but not Perfect Cell.

I believe Broly has the power of an USSJ2. He's stronger than Cell but that's it. He wouldn't beat him in speed and so on. And there is more to fighting than strength remember- it's a theme tackled a lot in the Saiyan-Cell sagas. SLOW... :eek:? If he was so slow, then why didn't Goku and the rest just dodge his attacks? I think in the reality of the show, they're meant to be going faster than you can see, all the time. It doesn't matter how strong you are, you can't hit someone who's many times faster than you... otherwise Broly wouldn't have seemed as tough as he does.
USSJ2 is much slower....

[True Perfection]

Like I said in my above post...

Remember Vegeta was USSJ and he was fast enough to catch up to Second Stage Cell but not Perfect Cell.

[Kusajika Yachiru]

Does AF stand for

Always Friendly? If so, then yes!! I would love to see DBZ & Friends! They can fight their new villain stronger than Omega!!

>_>
<_<

Chuck... Noris... 0_0

[SHINZO]

Does AF stand for

Always Friendly? If so, then yes!! I would love to see DBZ & Friends! They can fight their new villain stronger than Omega!!

>_>
<_<

Chuck... Noris... 0_0
I think it meant Arrival of the Future

[Kusajika Yachiru]

No it means Always Friends >_<

[True Perfection]

Actually

It means "A Fake"

[Kusajika Yachiru]

You're "A Fake" >_>

XD I'm only kidding!!

[Crimson Quasar]

the Dudes in the CC would love the TC



~CQ

[SHINZO]

Actually

It means "A Fake"
or April Fool or A Fiction.

[TimTheLord]

I firmly believe Broly is only a USSJ2- The level Future Trunks acheived. Movie 8 and 10 back it up.

I disagree, a lot. Everyone clearly mention (in the anime) that he is the LSSJ. Throughout the movie his power level kept rising, exponentially, a trait of the LSSJ.

He is not a USSJ2 as this is a very slow transformation and Goku and Co. got circles run around them by Broly.

He is not USSJ anything, he is in his own league - LSSJ

[True Perfection]

I disagree, a lot. Everyone clearly mention (in the anime) that he is the LSSJ. Throughout the movie his power level kept rising, exponentially, a trait of the LSSJ.


It's a movie and Broly himself isn't canon and that's what really matters in the end.

Even if his power keeps rising he was still beaten by SSJ1's each time. And how do you know the trait of a LSSJ if Broly is the only one?

He is not a USSJ2 as this is a very slow transformation and Goku and Co. got circles run around them by Broly.

Like I said earlier...

Remember Vegeta was USSJ and he was fast enough to catch up to Second Stage Cell but not Perfect Cell. Even Trunks at USSJ2 could decently keep up with Cell it's just his punches and kicks were to slow to hit Cell.

And always if I am forced to watch the Broly movies (well at least 8 and 10) I always notice he is strong but fairly slow.

He is not USSJ anything, he is in his own league - LSSJ

Which happens to be at the level of an USSJ2. It looks so much like it as well. ..

- He has no pupils like Trunks did when he first transformed

- He is slow

- He buffs up considerably

[Conners]

Like I said in my above post... Oh for--We said, USSJ2, not USSJ, but USSJ2! Get it? Vegeta was USSJ, Trunks was USSJ2, the really slow form that made him much larger and very muscular. Understand? USSJ2 is slow, and USSJ is perhaps slightly slowed down.
Even so, Broly must've been faster than a USSJ (the Vegeta one) for the fact Vegeta couldn't evade his attacks.
Also, the first time he was beaten it was because they put ALL their power into one punch which actually hit him (a hole in you is a hole in you, regardless of your strength). Even so, he survived didn't he? Maybe if it weren't for the comet about to smash into them he would've finished kicking all their @$$es.
With the second movie, I haven't seen it so I can't comment properly, Gohan was still an SSJ2 right? If Broly isn't stronger than an SSJ2 like everyone seems to insist, then Gohan wouldn't have had any trouble beating him...
With the third movie, he was a clone.... I'd guess the clone isn't nearly as strong as the original...

Edit: .....Sorry if I sounded angry at the start of the post, I was tired from work :(.

[True Perfection]

Oh for--We said, USSJ2, not USSJ, but USSJ2! Get it? Vegeta was USSJ, Trunks was USSJ2, the really slow form that made him much larger and very muscular. Understand?

I mentioned that....

Even Trunks at USSJ2 could decently keep up with Cell it's just his punches and kicks were to slow to hit Cell.

Even so, Broly must've been faster than a USSJ (the Vegeta one) for the fact Vegeta couldn't evade his attacks.

I just watched that part. All Vegeta did was mainly fire ki- blasts at Broly and jump a few distances away and repeat the same thing. Broly eaisly caught up to him by walking.

With the second movie, I haven't seen it so I can't comment properly, Gohan was still an SSJ2 right? If Broly isn't stronger than an SSJ2 like everyone seems to insist, then Gohan wouldn't have had any trouble beating him...

Gohan was no-where near as strong as he was when he was fighting Cell at that moment. And USSJ2 is seemingly as strong as SSJ2 it just doesn't have the speed.

You really can't compare anything in the first two Broly movies though sadly because they are pretty terrible (the worst DBZ movies in my opinion IMO). Honestly all they are is Broly whoops all until the very last minute when the Z-Fighters comeback and win against the odds.

Sorry if I sounded angry at the start of the post, I was tired from work

It's no problem.
:)

[TimTheLord]

Ok I misunderstood the post, I thought you said he IS a USSJ2. Which is not true.

[True Perfection]

I thought you said he IS a USSJ2. Which is not true.

He seems to be though. He has all the traits of the form.

[TimTheLord]

Except he isn't. Big flaw in the theory.

He was _way_ more muscled then trunks, like insanely. And didn't Goku or Vegeta comment that he didn't lose his speed from the gain in muscle? I will watch movie 8 again some time soon.

[dizzie37]

well af isnt real but i think they should delete the GT series because it sucked and they should continue it from there... I was on youtube and someone said that akira toriyama (maker of Db and DBZ) died and they didnt make af but it was getting developed haha

[True Perfection]

He was _way_ more muscled then trunks, like insanely.

Yeah. But it's a movie. Toei wanted to make Broly more intimidating or scary.

And didn't Goku or Vegeta comment that he didn't lose his speed from the gain in muscle?

As far as I know, no.

I will watch movie 8 again some time soon.

Remember the movies are not cannon and so can't really be used as proper fact.
:up:

[ultimate_saiyan]

It's canon not 'cannon'.

At they can be used, they are official sources made by Toei. Toei own the righst to the series and what they say is official.

[<_Spike_>]

Actually what Akira says is official, don't forget he is the top dog on DBZ u-u, though being non-canon doesn't stop them being discussed of course...just best to avoid comparing it with canon features of the show.

[Planeswalker28]

I've always thought of Broly as not being able to go SSJ/2/3/4 like Goku or Vegeta as he is his own special LSSJ. His power just rises in that form. It makes oyu wonder if his muscle mass would keep increasing over time, exponentially. If they left him alone for a year and came back, he would be immortal. And he was insane.

No he would be dead because he has to constantly "unload" power or else it would be to much for his body to handle.

or April Fool or A Fiction.

No Absolutely Fictional.

[<_Spike_>]

It stands for April Fool based on the day it was put out which was...shock horror...April 1st as a prank, everything else is just similar stuff made up. But it doesn't really matter what it stands for...as long as no one believes it stands for After Future or some such crap.

[Bakutenryu]

Dragon Ball AF

To some, its the story of Goku in space and cheating on Chi Chi with some alien goddess, and the resulting child goes all over the universe searching for him, and when he finally reaches Earth, the fight blah blah.

To others, its when Goku has become the universe itself and he has come to Earth but only for a year and every dead enemy has come back and he turns SSJ5 and all.......

Someone please tell me wtf is so good about AF......?

[<_Spike_>]

Absolutely **** all

[Conners]

Dragon Ball AF

To some, its the story of Goku in space and cheating on Chi Chi with some alien goddess, and the resulting child goes all over the universe searching for him, and when he finally reaches Earth, the fight blah blah.

To others, its when Goku has become the universe itself and he has come to Earth but only for a year and every dead enemy has come back and he turns SSJ5 and all.......

Someone please tell me wtf is so good about AF......? Just because there's some incredibly terrible AF it doesn't mean it's all bad.

What about Bardock defeating Frieza? Watch the special and I'm sure you'll want that at the time of his death... at the least... It might, of course, not have the same effect in the Dub-version. I don't want SSJ5, I don't want Goku acting out of character, I don't want a plot that is not like DBZ in a DBZ game, but I DO want What-Ifs that are fun and interesting.

I wouldn't mind having no What-Ifs.... as long as they had your own "Create-a-Saga" mode :D. Then, those of you who want to do the exact same thing every time can (not to say I won't do it as well as Create-a-Saga), and those of us who want new things can make them.
It'd have to have a Create-a-Player mode of course... I'd like to make a Ultimate Super Saiyan transformation :D!

[True Perfection]

What about Bardock defeating Frieza? Watch the special and I'm sure you'll want that at the time of his death... at the least... It might, of course, not have the same effect in the Dub-version.

I actually wouldn't. If Bardock beat Frieza he would of ended right where he started. Arrogant and only really caring about himself.

It's canon not 'cannon'.


I know that, I made a typo.

[TimTheLord]

No he would be dead because he has to constantly "unload" power or else it would be to much for his body to handle.


Yeah, shut up ;)

I guess they could of just ran away, and in the end he would have destroyed everything and ended up blowing himself up...problem solved... :noob:

[Lord_Doku]

Well, i want AF in any game(preferably its own) but if people like you guys dont want AF, then there wont be AF in any DBZ game. My opinion and MY opinion only(so dont quote :D).

[True Perfection]

I respect your opinion.
:up:

I just don't understand how you can like that seriously messed up fan-made crap.

[TimTheLord]

If it was a game unto itself it would probably be acceptable. I just don't want the fan made **** in the real games.

[Conners]

If you don't like AF in DBZ games, then just don't play the AF part of it :downcast:. I know lots of people who'd like to kill Frieza as Bardock... you already do it in most DBZ game story modes, but he just doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan which makes it a lot more like "AF ^$@&". There fore, it should be a what-if you don't have to play.

[ssj jack]

If you don't like AF in DBZ games, then just don't play the AF part of it :downcast:. I know lots of people who'd like to kill Frieza as Bardock... you already do it in most DBZ game story modes, but he just doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan which makes it a lot more like "AF ^$@&". There fore, it should be a what-if you don't have to play.

yeah i agree id like to have AF in there but just not taking it too far like some off the mad fusions we see, ssj 5 goku yeah ssj6 goku no, ssj bardock yeah, buu, frieza and cell fused no...i think you get the drift lol

[<_Spike_>]

Then you can keep your AF, face it, it's not licensed. If it's not licensed, your precious little AF stories will never be in any official game =) Go make your own if you want it in.

[Conners]

Then you can keep your AF, face it, it's not licensed. If it's not licensed, your precious little AF stories will never be in any official game =) Go make your own if you want it in. Wha-? Since when does AF need a licence....? I mean, they've already done the "Bardock beats Frieza" thing... they've also done a "Raditz turns good" thing as well (which I liked very much...).

I have an idea where the Saiyans (Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta) team up with the Z-Fighters against Frieza.


Unlikely Allies
Frieza decided to send his men to kill Goku (before Raditz showed up), seeing no need for a fourth living saiyan. Before they kill him however, they find out about the Dragon Balls. They immediately tell Frieza.
Raditz listened in on the message to Frieza travelling to Earth right away. He sends a coded message to Vegeta and Nappa about the wish-granting artefacts--though if not for Vegeta, Nappa would take a whole monst to decrypt it.... He arrives in time to save Goku, slaying the two Frieza Soldiers that attacked his younger brother. Goku is suspicious of the new arrival, but Raditz explains he's his brother, and about how Frieza is after the Dragon Balls. They decide to retreat to Roshi's Island, reunite the Z-Fighters, and form a plan.....However... One of Frieza's more elite of the troops, with a Battle Power of 1,800, was already there.
Piccolo arrives before the battle starts, wanting revenge on the enemy who had apparently blind-sided him earlier. With a combined effort, Raditz doing the main fighting, the three kill the powerful Frieza soldier.... but Raditz dies in a desperate attempt which gravely wounded the adversary, and Goku died sacrificing himself to let Piccolo hit them with his Special Beam Cannon. The Z-Fighters begin plans as to what they should do...

Meanwhile, in the dead-world, Goku met with Kami at the check-in point. Their talk was interrupted, however, by indignant yelling--and they saw Raditz struggling with King Yemma. Goku asked about the struggle. An ogre told him that Raditz was destined for HFIL, but he was putting up the best fight against it he had seen.
Goku asked King Yemma to let Raditz off, to Kami absolute shock and horror. With his strange persuasive talents, Raditz was given "parole" as it were. He was not allowed to do anything other than travel to King Kai's planet with Son Goku and train there, anything else would send him directly to HFIL. The Saiyan, annoyed by the offer, tried to blast King Yemma--but was immediately transported into HFIL as they said. Two tries later, they managed to convince him there was no point in resisting...
Goku had trouble keeping up with older brother, and only managed to because Raditz wasn't sure how far away he could get from the him without being teleported once again. Goku asked him why King Yemma would send him to HFIL--he answered that it was probably because of all the civilizations he wiped out, horrifying the Earth-Saiyan.
He confronted Raditz (still running), saying that he thought his brother was on their side. They argued over it furiously, sparking a fight which threw both of them off Snakeway (this took place instead of the truck incident).


.... *Phew*...! That was tiring... I think I'll have to rest a bit before I write any more... Open-mindedly, what do you guys think?

[<_Spike_>]

Generally they can't put things in licensed games that aren't licensed by the companies that count (Toei, Bandai Namco, Atari...so on and so forth). That's why licenses exist.

[chedda01]

im sorry to tell everyone that there are more dbz movies and charcters out there but its the fact there hard to get .the sad part is they were out before the first dragon ball hit americn tv trust me iwas there i can sit here and describe amovie cover thats here but its those who know and those who dont this paticular cover had vageta with long hair standing on an airport but the thing is people are looking for the future characters when they are already here someone have to find the guts to show them.if u dont beleave me check out your local super flea market or the japan expo trust there here .no

[chedda01]

it would be nice to create your own character and go live sort of like halo but better.

[<_Spike_>]

Don't double post, and that will be sorted with DB Online.

[True Perfection]

Wha-? Since when does AF need a licence....? I mean, they've already done the "Bardock beats Frieza" thing... they've also done a "Raditz turns good" thing as well (which I liked very much...).


Spike is referring to characters like SSJ5 Goku and so on. What you are talking about is what if scenario's with established characters so it's alright.


im sorry to tell everyone that there are more dbz movies and charcters out there but its the fact there hard to get .the sad part is they were out before the first dragon ball hit americn tv trust me iwas there i can sit here and describe amovie cover thats here but its those who know and those who dont this paticular cover had vageta with long hair standing on an airport but the thing is people are looking for the future characters when they are already here someone have to find the guts to show them.if u dont beleave me check out your local super flea market or the japan expo trust there here .no


Yeah, right. The only other things apart from the OVA that hasn't been released in english is special little videos in which Goku tells kids 'what the right thing is to do' and so on. You can read about them on the Daizenshuu.

[Bakutenryu]

im sorry to tell everyone that there are more dbz movies and charcters out there but its the fact there hard to get .the sad part is they were out before the first dragon ball hit americn tv trust me iwas there i can sit here and describe amovie cover thats here but its those who know and those who dont this paticular cover had vageta with long hair standing on an airport but the thing is people are looking for the future characters when they are already here someone have to find the guts to show them.if u dont beleave me check out your local super flea market or the japan expo trust there here .no

Your a damn liar. How can someone stand on an airport?

[<_Spike_>]

Spike is referring to characters like SSJ5 Goku and so on. What you are talking about is what if scenario's with established characters so it's alright.

Yeah, I should've been more accurate I guess...basically any character or any current characters new forms that appeared in AF...along with it's "storyline"...such as it is.

[True Perfection]

basically any character or any current characters new forms that appeared in AF...along with it's "storyline"...such as it is.

Yep. That's right.
:up:

[Bakutenryu]

im sorry to tell everyone that there are more dbz movies and charcters out there but its the fact there hard to get .the sad part is they were out before the first dragon ball hit americn tv trust me iwas there i can sit here and describe amovie cover thats here but its those who know and those who dont this paticular cover had vageta with long hair standing on an airport but the thing is people are looking for the future characters when they are already here someone have to find the guts to show them.if u dont beleave me check out your local super flea market or the japan expo trust there here .no


Maybe your reffering to a bootlegged item or something...