Secret Weapon 6 Thread- Track arrived.

[sykesie-92]

Alton Towers!- Okay, this has been discuss a bit in the corky thread, but i feel something as big as a secret weapon deserves its own thread
Okay- Summary... Alton Towers have confirmed a multi-million pound investment for 2010, taking the place of the corkscrew, however it will probably utilise either the valley but most probably the woods behind Ug land works already where started
Alton Almanac has said that flags marking out the ride's layout have been planted in the wooded area behind the ride

And Speculation is hotting up

-Russell Barnes was on the radio he said they wanted to do something dramatic in Corky's place and that it would be a "worlds-first" for 2010.

- John Wardley has been seen and has confimed hes in involved

And manufacture...
-Men from intamin have been seen- possible manufacture or involved in a sevice to rita?
Changes to rita have been confirmed i think, its cars could be changed to fit a new theme for 2010
Also its had alot of downtime they could be fixing the problem
or the optimist are hoping for a layout change, utiling the space where
corky was slighty?-- Very optimstic

-Vekoma have been seen- Manufacturer or involved in the corkys removal?

-and rumour is that B&M are in fact ready to announce a new prototype... Towers love there B&M prototypes;)


http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/altonthedark-1.jpg
One of the concpet images released by alton tower, taken from tower times
This, several rumors and my imagination would lead me to think the ride will be family orientated, 1.2 metre height resriction, a verkoma mine ride rather like expedition everest that features a tilt mechanism

I suppose we wont know until we see some track next year
and its a secret weapon, there bound to leak things for thr big build up

-Intresting stuff
-Brad

[abcde...]

WOAH, that pic looks so cool! I can't wait till they reveal the attraction!

[Cyberleader]

I'm excited! I just hope they don't resort to having it branded with some rubbishy film series! :)

[Doffy]

I'm excited! I just hope they don't resort to having it branded with some rubbishy film series! :)

Me to. I've never even hear of SAW.

Thanks for posting this Sykesie.

[Cedar Point]

Me to. I've never even hear of SAW.

I didn't know you lived in a cave seven miles underground! How do you get oxygen? Food? And more importantly, internet access?

[BoRJoYZeE]

OMG! I was Right! It is a Wacky Worm!

[zackness5]

hmmmm....if it is somthing like expedition everest, how would it be "somthing new"

[abcde...]

/\ Because it's going to have a tilt section!

[sr3d]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks wooden? :D:up:

[sykesie-92]

zackness5- Well ehat abcde said, and to be hosest, i wouldn't be overally fussed about the worlds first, it could be posibly gimmicky like the 'worlds firsts' thope park and BBPB have done
- Worlds first horror themed roller coaster??!!!:weird:
- Worlds first coaster completetly of water....
Worlds firsts are getting a little petty!
abcde...Because it's going to have a tilt section!- That could be it

sr3d- You my freind, have spotted something i think!!
Omg... Alton Woody anyone?
Intamin Prefab anyone?
Sickoo tilt sections on a woody??
It would be amazing.
Wow
-Brad

[abcde...]

Wow, a wooden coaste with a tilt section!! It sounds so cool, but I doubt it's possible!!

[Alpengeist]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks wooden? :D:up:

It can look like a woodie and still be a steel coaster. Unfortunately, that may be the closest AT gets to a woodie for the time being.


If you go by the picture above, it appears the coaster will definitely have portions of the ride underground or in the hill side. ...Definitely looks very interesting.

[sykesie-92]

Tbh, i dont thinks it possible
we can dream
How loud are intamin prefabs in comparison to a steel coaster?
still a vekoma family ride for me

[BoRJoYZeE]

Could it be a another Tilt coaster?

[Boston]

A wooden coaster with a tilt section? What the hell is wrong with you people?

[sr3d]

A wooden coaster with a tilt section? What the hell is wrong with you people?
Nothing's impossible, seriously. I hope it's either a tilt or wooden, both I'd looooove to see but it won't happen, unless that's the new world's first, after all a steel tilt coaster already exists...

[RCTfangirl]

That looks really cool. They're swapping a Vekoma for a Vekoma.

[deadstar]

That looks really cool. They're swapping a Vekoma for a Vekoma.

No, they're swapping a lethal vekoma for a less lethal vekoma! :mad::up:

[KingVeveraine]

No! There swapping a Vekoma designed by arrow which originally had arrow trains and electrics but the trains were changed to vekoma ones with a Vekoma.




But it won't be a Vekoma.

[sykesie-92]

^ aye, a very rough yet legendary arrow/vekoma ride is being replaced with a current secret
We dont know what the manufacture is going to be, as ive said, vekoma and intamin have been both seen
My heart says intamin my head, vekoma
but please let it be a B&M:p

[RCTfangirl]

Hmm..so its likely Intamin or a Veky.

[sykesie-92]

^ Ye if you follow the rumours!
probably wont know until track arrives
Hopefully something will be revealed tomorrow on corkys last day

[RCTfangirl]

Another Intie for Alton would be cool. I'm excited to see the arrival of the tracks too!

[sammas1324]

Woop Woop!! New Alton Aowers ride cant wait to find out what it is. Rumor is it is going to be a robtic arm coaster. But I'm not sure if one alreay exsits.

[willo22sly]

Oooooh....... this could be something special...
willo22sly

[RCTfangirl]

Robotic arm coaster... Sounds interesting. I've see a video of one of those on youtube. Looked like the guy riding it was going to be thrown onto the ground for a sec!

[disneyland123]

Robotic arm coasters exist in rct3 only....right?

[RCTfangirl]

No, theres one in one of the legolands from what I remember.

[Westcot]

Yes, the robot arm rides exist, but I think that a robot arm coaster refers to a robot arm being attached to a roller coaster track. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)

[Astros161]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks wooden? :D:up:

Nope, I think those are millenium flyers in that picture! :D:D:up::up:

[sammas1324]

Yes, the robot arm rides exist, but I think that a robot arm coaster refers to a robot arm being attached to a roller coaster track. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)

No you are right that is what I meant

[sammas1324]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks wooden? :D:up:

It wouldn't be a wooden coaster because it is going to be a world first and they already exsit.

[sr3d]

It wouldn't be a wooden coaster because it is going to be a world first and they already exsit.
I know.

There's no wooden coaster with a tilt though........

[sykesie-92]

its possible its a woody with a worlds first twist!
Its possible that it would be a robocoaster but i really really don't think it will, the rumours most likely came from this concept pictures realised, which shows a roboarm- i think roboarm flats will be somewhere in UG Land
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/roboarmconcept-1.jpg
I think, some digging has been happening on TowerTimes, and i think, that parts of the layout have been found,
Taken from towertimes- have a look at the description of 'Rollercoaster' as part of the concepts released by Alton Towers for 2010 earlyer this year
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/001ob7.jpg
That looks well interesting :up:
-Brad

[abcde...]

/\ The pic looks really cool, and the rollercoaster definetly sounds like a well themed tilt-coaster!!!!!!!!!

[Garfield 06]

Not thinking it was a tilty now would be just plain dumb...

G-06

[CedarPointer]

45 degree tilt ftw. Or, if it's a woodie, maybe a corkscrew?

[eot1]

Does anyone else have the feeling that its going to be a bit like Expedition Everest?

[sykesie-92]

This, several rumors and my imagination would lead me to think the ride will be family orientated, 1.2 metre height resriction, a verkoma mine ride rather like expedition everest that features a tilt mechanism

Eot1-;) Ive has that feeling for some time now

[eot1]

Oo.. I didnt notice you did too.. :eek: It would be soo cool if it was Ee though.. :P

[sykesie-92]

Haha, im glad some one else thinks it though:up:
The description sound amazing if thats it, but, you never know what its gunna be with AT!!
If someone said there was going to be a 180foot vertical drop coaster installed, people would have fought you where insane

[eot1]

True, if someone said to you 20 years ago (If you knew alton towers 20 years ago) that in 20 years, there would be a worlds first vertical drop coaster, the worlds most intense inverter, a worlds first true flying coaster and a coaster that goes 0-60 in around 2 seconds, you would think that they would be weird.. :p

[sykesie-92]

Haha, exactly
Okay im getting off on a tangent here but, Did anyone watch the construction of oblivion?
i just wish i did, it was so secretive, no one knew what it was until it opened!!
and the biggest shock was, despite it being a worlds first its 180 foot!!
in a park that cant go above tree level!!
Rant Over
-Brad

[eot1]

Have you seen the vid about Oblivion being designed and built?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ojniYSI1w

The hole looks pretty cool tbh.. :P

[sykesie-92]

Lmao at the 90's
Ye, ive watched that before, is pretty interesting
Hopefully this secret weapons amazing too
-Brad

[Meerkat]

Haha, I loved those comic security guards.

[SaintCoaster05]

I wonder what the actual NAME of the new ride will be? I heard that the area where Rita currently stands could be getting a retheme to fit in with the new ride. Imagine if a rollercoaster had a 500ft+ drop straight underground without the track itself being above tree level; how much fun will THAT be zooming beneath the ground at over 120mph!:p

[KingVeveraine]

^ :haha: How on earth could they build a 500ft drop! 100ft was a big enough challenge in itself.

[SaintCoaster05]

Well you never know; with the advances in technology these days, anything is possible!:haha: In future, it may well be possible to design a launch rollercoaster that can travel at the same speed as a Bugatti Veyron, but we'll never know what may come out in future.;)

[sykesie-92]

lmao
yes... I can just see Russell Barnes announcing ' yes.. yes we blew are whole budget on one huge hole in the ground:up:
It costs a few bob landscaping on the scale of oblivion, digging a hole 5 times that??? what was you thinking man!!:p
I think AT wont do much landscaping this time round
Hope they reveal something soon, kinda hoping something would catch the eye at the IAAPA but nothing did:(
-Brad

[zackness5]

i dont think it will be a tilt coaster because alton already has a stalled vertical dive coaster (oblivion)

[sr3d]

i dont think it will be a tilt coaster because alton already has a stalled vertical dive coaster (oblivion)
Totally different experience.......

[6000000flags]

A partial tilt would rock. And a 500ft hole would fill with water. It would be below the water table and the water would come in.

[RCTfangirl]

^The idea of water being involved sounds cool

[TPM INC]

A partial tilt would rock. And a 500ft hole would fill with water. It would be below the water table and the water would come in.

Iv'e (<-Thats a word?) never been to AT but I do that water wouldn't flood in right when you make the hole, unless you hit a pipe, your near a big body of water, or it rains and you gt like 10 inches.

[sykesie-92]

zackness5- I gather from concepts that it would be closer to a track tilting the train backwards at more of a 45 degree angle, or thats what it suggests to me, but ye, like srrd says, different experience to oblivion

6000000flags- Haha you like your 500foot holes!
TPM INC- Haha, i dont think he was being serious about the hole... well at least i hope not!!??
Haha, nar.. quite a nice concept, but it just wont happen
I think they will be some sort of water feauture though, but i think closer to water fountains:up:
-Brad

[TPM INC]

Seriously though I know a lot of english but I never knew that Iv'e is a word I always thought it was I've and that works to (wth).

That would be so cool tilting the track backwards!

[SaintCoaster05]

Haha, i dont think he was being serious about the hole... well at least i hope not!!??
Haha, nar.. quite a nice concept, but it just wont happen
I think they will be some sort of water feauture though, but i think closer to water fountains:up:
-BradHere's a thought; for a 500ft hole to be used as a water feature, we would need to fill the hole with massive quantities of water; maybe the equivalent of a whole ocean would suffice?:haha:

On the other hand, there is the potential moral of a story; never build a rollercoaster with the track that goes 500ft underground and then completely submerge the hole with water. If you imagine a diver jumping off a platform into the pool, there is a lot of drag when you go underwater from a dive. So then if a rollercoaster train dives 500ft into a tunnel which goes 500ft underground, it would slow down rather quickly so that it stops only partway underground. Which could mean a whole train's worth of passengers drowning and several lawsuits against Alton Towers and the manufacturer involved.

[sykesie-92]

^ haha...screw the lawsuits:up:
stick in a disclaimer and it will be sweet as a nut...
im warming to this idea
Come on alton Towers release something pleaseee... just look at what concepts we've resorted to!!

[6000000flags]

When I say the 500ft hole filled with water, I implied it because someone said to have the idea of a subterranean Kingda/Dragster. It would fill with water, due to the water table in the area. Since water follows the path of least resistance, it comes into the hole. They could avert this with Oblivion but they could not make an underground Ka.

[sykesie-92]

New Update...
i should have posted this earlier..

A Planning application has been made!!
This may not sound like much, but the coaster obviously will be large scale, because a planning application has been made, because the site where corky was is part of the GDO area:up:
AT applied for a general development order over certain parts of the park, so long as certain things are met they can do what they like; Rita was in the GDO area and therefore a planing application was not needed.
Therefore considering, SW6 needs planning , it must breach the GDO area, so possibly utilising the drop down into the valley, its going need some trees knocked down- so big landscaping again
Its exciting stuff nonetheless.
And after taking a look of the application summited,- here (http://publicaccess.staffsmoorlands.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KBM3OQPG04H00)
There is a small, not really detailed map, but when taken into perspective it looks like it goes into the woods, utilising as much as double the space that corkscrew did.
-Brad

[abcde...]

Uuuuummmmm..... so it's going to be big......


CAN'T WAIT!!!:up:

[Sno]

I can't wait for the official announcement of the new ride... I remember how confused and disappointed I was when they unveiled Rita... I hope this one will be a winner. :)

[zackness5]

this is soooo gonna be a woody.

[sykesie-92]

zackness- Seriously doubt it... the little village of alton would have already raised some noise on the issue.
If they did though it'd be champion:up:
If you check out the planning mind, you can see the basic footprint... definitely not the infamous alton woodie.

[dementedbear]

I've got my money on a eurofighter... Though we can always dream of a huge woodie streching from Ugland through the valley over to Air.

[sykesie-92]

^ i think either a eurofighter or a vekoma with huge scale theming.
I dunno though, its alton towers, considering there past i really couldn't rule out intamin or B&M.. for some reason, i have a slight feeling it could be intamin
So basically everyone :D
I really dont have a clue... Pinfari anyone?
-Brad

[Westcot]

Huge update from Towers Almanac...

http://gallery.towersalmanac.com/albums/construction/sw6/other/plans/08122101_layout_ecc.jpg

Codenamed SW6, the ride is replacing Corkscrew, which is currently being demolished after 29 years of service.

The ECC got their hands on the plans for the new coaster yesterday, and have uploaded a drawing of the layout to their website.

The drawing contradicts rumours that the coaster would be, like Rita, launched instead of using a lift hill. It shows the ride going through a series of "S" bends through the trees, and ATA understands that there will be a tunnel section leading into the woods.

Importantly, like Rita there are no inversions, meaning that the ride does not go upside-down at any point. It is still unclear who the manufacturer for the ride is, although the three names being bandied about are Intamin, Gerstlauer and Premier.

There are two "switchback" sections to allow the roller coaster's train to switch directions, meaning that a portion of the ride will be done backwards.

The drawing shows SW6 to be another Alton coaster with a short layout, although it should have plenty of "airtime" during the course.

And according to a member of the ECC, the plans show the station building to be "a half built castle, with wooden scaffolding all over it", making it resemble the Towers themselves.

There is still no word on what it is that will make SW6 a "world's first", but here at ATA we can't wait to find out!

It was being discussed on the Towers Almanac forums that there's a possibility that the "swoops" could be two corkscrews... or just three loops. Either one. ;)

http://file046b.bebo.com/5/large/2008/12/22/18/1138045790a9693408508l.jpg

From the plans (which were redrawn by a ECC member from the original blueprints, I believe), there will be two "switchbacks." The first will turn the riders backwards, through a helix, and into the second switchback that will turn riders forwards again into the station brakes.

I still don't understand what's going to make this ride a "world's first," but I guess we'll just have to wait and see an official announcement. :)

[Sno]

The beginning reminds me of EE a bit... Honestly, I'm excited to see what record it will have and I can't wait for the official announcement, but that layout looks REALLY short... Like, Rita short. Almost. :(

[sykesie-92]

Haha.. i was going to post this up.. but im just want to convince myself that this isnt true... i know its just a line.. but i wanted more!
I mean.. it looks shorter than rita, which to be fair is a shame, theres tons of room there and i really wanted a long thrilling coaster to fill it.
I think at the end it will make it a little bit longer, i reckon the switchbacks inside the building will feature something 4D because we know john wardleys a fan of the spiderman ride.
Even if that released is true (despite is being not directly from AT) it could be still a great ride.... but i hope that the actual ride is longer.
-Brad
EDIT: Haha dont think theres going to be corkscrews.. according to the source there's no inventions suggesting there just s-bends, as well as that the place where the corkscrews or s-bends takes place will bve much further into the woods.
http://i39.tinypic.com/30jkytx.png

[Sno]

I agree. I just really hope that's not the finalized layout.

[03gibbss]

I really hope this isn't the final layout! :( I was expecting something rather different to this!

[sykesie-92]

Noo.. theres still hope!!
Omg... i soooo hope its an intamin mega lite:heart::heart::heart:
I'm an enthusiast, although id be happy with something from gerstlauer or premier, the prospect of a intamin mega lite would really excite me.
And following the description, and the drawing it looks/sounds like one. The s-bends look like the stengel dives and regular banks?
The only thing is the ending? But Intamin are surely capable of supplying switchbacks, they have made dark rides before, and considering there aquatraxs a dark ride section would be amazingly control with there lsm sytems.
I hoping for steep hills and drops, high speed horizontal turns close to ground level, over-banked curves, a twisting winding ‘up & down’ middle section, air-borne S-curves, and the hilly camel backs and bunny humps.. and a dark ride section.
THAT WOULD BE WORLD CLASS
yet again... im being super hopeful:haha:

[CedarPointer]

I'm guessing some sort of new B&M track design.

[sykesie-92]

Seriously doubt it CedarPointer, theres nothing to suggest it will be B&M at all apart from the fact the other secret weapons were manufactured by them.
And considering the layout, capasity, and switchtracks it really doesnt look like a b&m
Either premier, gerstlauer or intamin.. its gotta be!
-Brad

[TheFreshEffect]

Whoo, fun.

[6000000flags]

I don't think this is the layout. I'm taking everything I see not validated by someone reputable with a grain of salt.

[David Ellis]

The plan was obtained by someone within the European Coaster Club, and Justin (founder of the ECC) has commented that this is no hoax. Justin is not normally the sort of person who would joke about these things, indeed he is the sort of guy who normally is quite vocal against the Internet rumour mill, so I reckon this is the layout. What the photos don't show is the vertical spread of the ride, and apparently there are some healthy changes of elevation in the design according to the plans submitted (me thinks Airtime).

David.

[CedarPointer]

the fact the other secret weapons were manufactured by them
Exactly.

[deadstar]

Well, I can't hardly think of what they have in mind. To me it sounds like the train gets onto the switch track piece and it tilts down like the track broke and slowly tilting back onto another segment of tracks.... That'd be swell!

[Westcot]

Seriously doubt it CedarPointer, theres nothing to suggest it will be B&M at all apart from the fact the other secret weapons were manufactured by them.
And considering the layout, capasity, and switchtracks it really doesnt look like a b&m
Either premier, gerstlauer or intamin.. its gotta be!
-Brad

Yes, very true. B&M is very picky about their coasters, and I could never imagine them doing a switchback section, or even a helix after the first drop. :)

Could it be a world's first tilting switchback coaster? Hopefully we'll find out some more information within the next few months.

[CedarPointer]

I don't think it's a Vekoma, because nothing of that kind is mentioned in their catalog.

[LightGrenades]

An Intamin Pre-fab woodie would be awesome for this..... They aren't particularly loud either (is it a sound issue? I dunno, but there is an issue with the town). El Toro doesn't go above a medium sounding roar.

A woodie twisting and diving through woods would be pretty epic. I wish Six Flags would've done that with El Toro, since they own a ton of land behind Medusa and it's pretty woodsy there, once you pass the animal park.

[CedarPointer]

^ Prowler?

[sykesie-92]

6000000flags- I now agree with what David Ellis is saying, i think this is it.. the source is reliable imo.
Why would a highly respectable group like the ECC risk jepordising there reputation by revealing false layouts?
The ECC have very strong links with AT and would want to risk there relationship with AT.
Some very realible sourse i know are making sure by making the trip to the planning office themselves.

David Ellis- Thanks, i couldnt agree more now:up:
The layout could still be interesting:up:

CedarPointer- Exactly, thats not nearly enough to suggest B&M, not when theres so much pointing towards other manufactures. As for verkoma, i dont think it matters whats in the catologe, Altons wanting a benchmark and a world first.

deadstar- Ye, by the sounds of it, the switchback is like tilt from the first floor of the station, backward down to a lower level:up:
Probably joined by awsome theming:up:

Westcot- Exactly. It wont be B&M. And that must be the world first element?


LightGrenades- Haha that what i really wanted!!
And ye sound was the issur in this area, i know john wardley was looking into pre-fabs.. so maybe?
Merry Christmas

[CedarPointer]

But a switchback ISN'T a world's first. EE has one.

[p8ntball]

An Intamin Pre-fab woodie would be awesome for this..... They aren't particularly loud either (is it a sound issue? I dunno, but there is an issue with the town). El Toro doesn't go above a medium sounding roar.

A woodie twisting and diving through woods would be pretty epic. I wish Six Flags would've done that with El Toro, since they own a ton of land behind Medusa and it's pretty woodsy there, once you pass the animal park.

Do you know if SFGAdv owns the lake/pond, area behind the flume?

[simtanic8]

^^Yes it does, but it looks like, from the pictures, that it is going to be a Wooden Switchback.

~Simtanic8

[jaybuoy]

looking foward to this and cant wait to see the final designs.

[LightGrenades]

^ Prowler?

What about it?

Do you know if SFGAdv owns the lake/pond, area behind the flume?

I believe they do. It was one of the rumors before Toro was built that there would be a woody that would circle around part of the lake by Medusa and dive over and under the trees.

[Squid2]

There's been a rumor for about a year that B&M was about to unveil a new coaster design. If this is true, and this new AT coaster is from them, these two rumors would dovetail nicely together.

The problem with switchbacks is that they take time to execute... call it about 11 to 12 seconds per switch. (I timed both of EE's switches to get those numbers.) That pretty much requires a show element of some sort... and you can't have just one switch... you need two.

So, what's going to be the show for the section going into the block breaks? It's not even enclosed... EE did this, but it has very heavy theming there. SW6's layout shows that it rolls straight from the 2nd switch into the block brakes. They're going to need something there.

Squid2

[sykesie-92]

Id love to see B&M do it squid, but i wouldn't put my money on it.
Original speculation had a rumour of a B&M prototype, but i think the rumours where basically materialised from looking at the past secret weapons.
I think its someone else, all the little bits of evidence uncovered so far would suggest another manufacturer.
And i was thinking that about the switchbacks, i took a look at the sourse and apparntly, its supposed to be incorrect, somthing similar happens but both switchbacks are encolsed in a buidling described as a 'half built castle in it with scaffoling across it' which suggest the dark forest theme.
I happy with the layout now, its too short IMO but apparntly its goes though tunnels, water features and by the looks of it, AT are really going to town on the themeing.
The other thing the layout makes is a total reshape of UG Land, with changing quenlines and the eaterys probably being removed, the entrance will probably be shifted, i think UG land will be completly differant, and then with the room freed up... You could fit quite a few flats in there.
I happy though
Hope everyone has a good boxing day:up:
-Brad

[Sno]

As long as it's longer than Oblivion and Rita I'll be glad.

[TPM INC]

i have a feeling that these switchbacks will be slanted. This is what I'm trying to say:

You first start off going foward then tilt down into the switchback. After that the backend tilts into the other track of coaster and you travel backwards. The other end does the same thing except you going from back to front.

[sykesie-92]

Lmao, i cant quite image what your saying there but i thought id post this up.
This was taken from what i think is a reliable source, on Alton almanac
The train then returns to the station at first floor level, something happens within the station whereby the coaster enters forwards at the high first floor level but exits backwards from a tunnel at underground/basement level (approx 10 – 15m level difference), then passes through a 3m deep trench in a helix which rises back up to ground level. It then enters a switchback in order to pass into the station forwards again.

I also believe that the ECC layout is incorrect within the building, and that something much more interesting happens in there... So by the sounds of it, the switchback tilts the track backwards similar to the picture i posted in the first post
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/altonthedark-1.jpg
So maybe like that but backwards.. or that could be the forwards one?
I reckon there's something pretty special inside the station too during the wait for the switchback.. i rekon in the from of 4D entertainment which we know john wardleys a fan of.
-Brad

[Westcot]

^ That has to be a tilting feature, so I'm confident that we're looking at a world's first tilting switchback coaster (as I said before). :)

[CedarPointer]

What about it?
"A woodie twisting and diving through woods"

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I'm thinking a B&M steel designed to look like a mine train. Just like Vekoma did with Everest.

[CedarPointer]

Was Spinball Whizzer a "secret weapon"?

[Westcot]

^ No. Only Nemesis, Oblivion, and Rita, I believe. :)

[sykesie-92]

CedarPointer... Woiuld be amazing!!
And no haha, spinball whizzers was just a installation.
Secret Weapon 1- Arrow Pipeline that never left shelf.
Secret Weapon 2- Im not overally certain, but i think a re-designed pipeline
Secret Weapon 3- Nemesis...:D
Secret Weapon 4- Oblivion
Secret Weapon 5- Air

LiLDaReDeViL5- lmao.. why B&M?? :haha:
I understand all the others were B&M but vekomas cheaper, and merlin have already purchased one for gardaland, i dont think they would have a problem doing it again.
-Brad
EDIT- Wescot, Rita was just installed, if that was the secret weapon it would have been a massive disappointment haha, Air was the other one lol.

[Westcot]

^ Ah! That's right! How could I forget about Air?

[sykesie-92]

^Lmao.. because its as intense as sleeping?

[TPM INC]

Here is what I mean:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj296/Rct3alltime3/Example.jpg

[sykesie-92]

i think like that only it wont enter on a slope TPM
I reckon it will enter straight then tilt backwards like you drew mate.
-Brad

[TPM INC]

It would be cooler if it went in at an angle though, to give you the feeling you are going to crash.

[zackness5]

or all these pictures that are being found out could just be a distraction from the real ride and its layout O_O

lol conspiracy theory xD

[sykesie-92]

TPM, i really hope they would do that tbh, would be epic
Lmao zackness
its been suggested, but i believe the layout plans where taken from the council:p
And i dont think AT would have payed the like £40,000 its takes to summit plans of this scale to throw enthusiasts off the trail;)
-Brad
EDIT: 400th post.. only took 18 months haha!!

[RCTfangirl]

CedarPointer... Woiuld be amazing!!
And no haha, spinball whizzers was just a installation.
Secret Weapon 1- Arrow Pipeline that never left shelf.
Secret Weapon 2- Im not overally certain, but i think a re-designed pipeline
Secret Weapon 3- Nemesis...:D
Secret Weapon 4- Oblivion
Secret Weapon 5- Air

LiLDaReDeViL5- lmao.. why B&M?? :haha:
I understand all the others were B&M but vekomas cheaper, and merlin have already purchased one for gardaland, i dont think they would have a problem doing it again.
-Brad
EDIT- Wescot, Rita was just installed, if that was the secret weapon it would have been a massive disappointment haha, Air was the other one lol.

Like its already been mentioned, it's not likely to be a B&M. B&M considers anything "unconventional" to be "unreliable". Switchbacks/tilting elements are not things that they'd likely experiment with.

[sykesie-92]

Huge Update
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00014.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00018.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00020.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00021.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00022.jpg

Il Resize the images tomorrow so you don't have to click on them just tired now.
Update speaks for its self really.
Disappointed about the queue line
My Moneys on intamin... smack me in the mouth if its B&M
-Brad

[Westcot]

Thanks for the update!

Those are definitely corkscrews. :)

[Sno]

I'm guessing it will be Intamin.... B&M just doesn't make track layouts like that....

I really hope it's not Vekoma.

[disneyland123]

It can't be B&M, they don't do double flat-spins. I'm hoping for Intamin. It will probably be smooth. @ Sno, what's wrong with Vekomas? Newer ones are smooth, very smooth! Just take Kumali, Rock n' Roller Coaster, and Gravity Max as some examples.

[sykesie-92]

Im not overally concerned with the manufacturer tbh, im pretty certain AT will build something epic, who ever it is
But yes.. I couldn't lie, i want this to be intamin ;)
-Brad

[disneyland123]

Thanks for the update!

Those are definitely corkscrews. :)

Actually, it kinda looks like those swoops on a Megalite, but whatever.

[sykesie-92]

Actually, it kinda looks like those swoops on a Megalite, but whatever.
Ye thats what i thought
And apparently it doesn't have inversions so i think you right!:D:up:

[Sno]

@ Sno, what's wrong with Vekomas? Newer ones are smooth, very smooth! Just take Kumali, Rock n' Roller Coaster, and Gravity Max as some examples.

Personally I don't find Rock n' Roller "very smooth"... Of course it's a matter of opinion... And I say I hope it's not Vekoma because they "tend" to be not as smooth as Intamin in my opinion. Maybe if it is Vekoma it could turn out great-- I would just prefer to see an Intamin.

[abcde...]

Oh sweet this looks so cool!! I cant wait and I hope its an Intamin

[disneyland123]

Well, true, but Vekoma has definetely improved their headbanging-free skills. Intamin has remarkable creations however, and I would be pleased to see one.

[ljconnolly1]

could be themed after ziggyames legend of the towers lol tension *farts*

[sherman454]

Accordig to TowersNerd (http://www.towersnerd.com/) it has been anounced that the ride will not feature any inversions.

[ljconnolly1]

Accordig to TowersNerd (http://www.towersnerd.com/) it has been anounced that the ride will not feature any inversions.
So is that good or bad? I know alton towers will make it good. Go AT first tthe wordls first flying thing and now something that we've never heard of that will be different but soon six flags will copy it:down: Where's the fun of having more than one of one thing in the world.
Answer: In cake:noob:

[jaybuoy]

Recently found this
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb105/jaybuoy/00001-2.jpg

[Alpengeist]

^Wow, that layout really reminds me of Expedition Everest.;)

[deadstar]

Recently found this
<snip>

That's Expedition Everest..

[KingVeveraine]

Yeah, for example on the left of the picture that helix that is outside the mountain is THIS (http://www.rcdb.com/ig2389.htm?picture=48).

[dementedbear]

The layout that's being touted on towersalmanac is this:

http://gallery.towersalmanac.com/displayimage.php?pos=-6620

If that's closer to what the layout might be (which seems likely) it's a bit disappointing. A Euro fighter would have been nice. A woodie would have been nicer.

[zackness5]

honestly, this ride could be so many things. i dont know what to think now....:weird:

[sykesie-92]

honestly, this ride could be so many things. i dont know what to think now....:weird:
Go with the plans posted to the council zackness!;)
The plans which came from EEC are genuine i believe, that was from the council plans and have been backed up by several sources who have also made the trip to Staffordshire council.
I dont think pictures where allowed to be taken of the plans that why the EEC drew them.
The elevation plans where taken by someone who's dad works at Staffordshire Council, they are certainly genuine as you can see from this picture-
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/jamesbailey999/DSC00023.jpg
The plans could change, but apparently the application in pretty in depth, containing all the information of theming as well, so the plans will be stuck to i think.
The ride is shorter than i wanted, maybe it had so be of similar length to corky considering its a replacement coaster... although im not sure that's an issue:haha:
The ride time will seem longer i think because of the indoor section, the switchback will take a long time and i thinks some sort of theming or 4d experience will feature in there.:up:
Im quite pleased... il be ridiculously happy if its intamin, alot of the elements look intamin, just the question of whether they'd make switchbacks?
The 1200 riders per hour would fit in with intamin though, 3 trains, 3 block sections.
Its between verkoma, premier and intamin i reckon.
The cattle grid queue lines looks disappointing, hopefully there's a good atmosphere created there; the entrance feature sounds pretty exciting, hopefully gives a good first impression
On the plans is also shows two flights of stairs coming down from the station exit. This would seem to confirm the information that said the station would be on a 'middle level' of the building, with the ride utilising both top and basement levels for the turnarounds.
-Brad

[abcde...]

:eek: This sounds too cool!!!!

[zackness5]

Go with the plans posted to the council zackness!;)

i ment what type of roller coaster it would actually be, not the layout.

[sykesie-92]

Haha Oops sorry Zackness
Oh well, at least people will now know the basic situation after that rant...it will all fall into place when the council update there portal :up:

[tomtomtom]

The layout that's being touted on towersalmanac is this:

http://gallery.towersalmanac.com/displayimage.php?pos=-6620

If that's closer to what the layout might be (which seems likely) it's a bit disappointing. A Euro fighter would have been nice. A woodie would have been nicer.

they woulfn't have a eurofighter as thorpe is having one.

i could of sworn AT only named coasters aecret weapons if they were big thrills. tbh, this doesn't seem like a big thrill.

[sykesie-92]

tomtomtom- I think the only reason anyone though it would be a eurofighter was because Thorpe got one!

And as for the layout... i dont think its that bad anymore!
Nice, ground hugging.. looks like a mega-lite and they apparently pack quite a punch!:up:
The indoor bit will make the ride alot longer, looks interesting to me!

I also believe that secret weapon isnt going to be just a coaster.. its a whole new area.
Theres gunna be a a few flats i think
Basically i think secret weapon 6 is a world class park section.
Fresh theme, it'l have two good coasters and several brilliant flats:up:

[abcde...]

Oh cool!!! I wonder if the flats will include the robo-arms?

[tomtomtom]

sykesie-92 - that sounds awsome!
i hope they get a sky swat.
maybe its a section full of world firsts?

[TPM INC]

tomtomtom- I think the only reason anyone though it would be a eurofighter was because Thorpe got one!

And as for the layout... i dont think its that bad anymore!
Nice, ground hugging.. looks like a mega-lite and they apparently pack quite a punch!:up:
The indoor bit will make the ride alot longer, looks interesting to me!

I also believe that secret weapon isnt going to be just a coaster.. its a whole new area.
Theres gunna be a a few flats i think
Basically i think secret weapon 6 is a world class park section.
Fresh theme, it'l have two good coasters and several brilliant flats:up:

That will jsut be another reason for me to go down there and spend some time there. I can'tw ait to see the "new" area.

/\ The sky swat would make an insane coaster ellement on its own. I'm not a big fan of mega lites, but that would do in this position.

[CedarPointer]

sykesie-92 - that sounds awsome!
i hope they get a sky swat.
maybe its a section full of world firsts?
...neither of which are world's firsts.

[tomtomtom]

...neither of which are world's firsts.
what do you mean neither or worlds first, i only said one thing. lol.

[sykesie-92]

Plans Have Finally Been uploaded!!
No closer to finding out the manufacturer tbh, or the world first element!
I think the worlds first isn't going to be right significant, and probably enclosed in the building so know one will no until they ride the thing!!

Heres the link to the plans, you have to look at Associated Documents
[center]Click (http://publicaccess.staffsmoorlands.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KBM3OQPG04H00)


http://www.coasterforce.com/images/parkguides/altontowers/sw6nw500.jpg
http://www.coasterforce.com/images/parkguides/altontowers/sw6ne500.jpg
http://www.coasterforce.com/images/parkguides/altontowers/sw6sw500.jpg

There the station elevations.. where i believe some of the magic happens.. it looks very very well themed!!
Heres the entrance Feature..
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/entrancefeature.jpg?t=1231583292

Looks Pretty sweetly themed, and when you look at the layout, mock ups of the ride have shown it to be suprisingly intense.. the elements are much smaller than the lift hill, so i think +4, -1 G's tbh.

[abcde...]

Cool, that building looks very nice!! How do you find out all this stuff!!!!

[03gibbss]

That looks awesome! Looks like it may have been inspired by the towers, maybe some kind of link to Hex in the ride?

[KingVeveraine]

It's all in the plans, you just have to look through all the pages of all the PDF's.

[meme5053]

Without reading the PDF fully, I will say this as a story line.

The nemesis monster went on a rampage and destroid corkscrew and ripped up the ground by rita and uncovered a mysterious land that has been burried for centuries, prehaps another are of the towers!.

[sykesie-92]

abcde...Mugged John Wardley blatnelty in the street:o
Tower Times really.

03gibbss- Yeye you'd think so, there close enough!

KingVeveraine- Ye, just keep an eye on the concil portal and more plans should spring up i think:up:

meme5053- Sound really interesting!
This was on the thrill lab from alton towers.
The Towers are steeped in mystery and legend. Surrounded by vast areas of dense woodland, there are still areas yet unexplored. Clearance and excavation works on an old ride have unearthed the ruins of an old folly – believed to have once been connected to an ancient burial ground in the Dark Forest. Deeper investigations into the rockwork have revealed a mysterious crypt. Buried underneath centuries of earth and gnarled tree roots, you can now explore the unknown in the search for what lies within . . . if you dare. As you make your way through the dark underground tunnels, amongst the masses of twisted roots, and between the dripping dampness of waterfalls, beware what lurks within the darkness. The excavation structures and equipment serve as a means of escape from its depths, but that’s not to say its an easy way out
This also came from the thrill lab
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/001ob7.jpg
Excitingly similar to the layout don't you think?

[meme5053]

Wow, I can't believe how close I was!

Edit: That is VERY similar to the nemesis storyline.
Work on thunder looper,Unearthing something dark and mysterious, (Monster), A ride going around the monster, "If you dare"
Demolition of corkscrew,Unearthing something dark and mysterious (Burial ground), A ride going around the ruins, "If you dare"

[Alpengeist]

Nice, ground hugging.. looks like a mega-lite and they apparently pack quite a punch

A maverick-like coaster is what crossed my mind. Something like Maverick, minus the inversions, with a lift hill, a launch, and then a added portion that goes backwards. Just a thought.

[eot1]

This also came from the thrill lab
<Picture>
Excitingly similar to the layout don't you think?


Thats already been posted.. Page 2.

The plans look great but I really dunno why they would have another castle..

My bets are on Vekoma for this coaster.

[JayAC.]

I have to say, I am very excited about this coaster. It looks like it could have some excellent theming and provide some decent airtime too! :)

I'm thinking Vekoma for the manufacturer. At first I thought it might be a woodie, but that seems to have been ruled out.

[sherman454]

Plans now available on Towersnerd (http://www.towersnerd.com/news/item.php?id=122)

[sykesie-92]

God these plans made me sad :(
Who do you all think the manufacture is??
Doesn't say on the portal yet
Mack? Verkoma? SS Power? Maurer Sohne?.. Pinfari? :|

[KingVeveraine]

On the plans the track is drawn unmistakeably as Intamin track.
And they layout is very Intamin.

Edit, whoops I'm looking at Rita!

[eot1]

The drawings look just like a gerstlauer...

I know you will all say "ITS NOT A GERST COS THORP PARK HAS 1!!!!!!!". The plans do look like a gerstlauer but I also think Vekoma will be involved with it.. Probs in the switchbacks?

[sykesie-92]

I think it could defiantly be gerstlauer.
Thorpe having one makes it more likely, Melin could get a cheaper deal buying in pairs?
Alton have made similar purchases with thorpe in major coasters.
King Verv.. I did that.. massive disappointment when i realised it was rita :|
-Brad

[simtanic8]

Its most likely going to be Grstlauer because everytime Thorp buys a ride, another park gets a ride fromt he same company. Like Rita came, so Stealth came. Nemesis came, Nemesis Inferno followed.

~Simtanic8

[zackness5]

I think it could defiantly be gerstlauer.
Thorpe having one makes it more likely, Melin could get a cheaper deal buying in pairs?
Alton have made similar purchases with thorpe in major coasters.
King Verv.. I did that.. massive disappointment when i realized it was rita :|
-Brad

if it HAD would be a gerstlauer, it would be a gerstlauer launch coaster, because thats what the layout looks like that the most. but even so, the layout still doesn't look like a gerstlauer launch coaster. and it defiantly isn't a eurofighter. it could be a wooden gerstlauer, but theres the noise pollution involved, and the switchback parts of the layout.
so i think gerstlauer is defiantly ruled out.

the layout looks like an intamin.

[sykesie-92]

Hahaa.. i dont think you can rule them out Zackness!!
The coaster doesn't have to be from an existing model, and judging by the switchbacks this isn't going to be an existing model that any manufacture has in there catalogue apart from vekoma.. and if you look at them plans.. the track sections dont look like vekoma by a long shot.
The layout looks alot like Intamin, and that got my hope up, but the track sections and supports are probably either gerstlauer, Mack, Premier or even Maurer Sohne!!
Im still desperately checking the portal though, there is a possibility that they havent even got a manufacturer yet.. i mean they haven't got permission yet.
This is a custom model, i think they could possibly consult different manufactures, and the visual impact shots where just a impression?
Unreliable source's have said that AT have been consulting manufactures about it.
I think thats unlikely though.
---More Added----
Judging by the track, the only thing that intamin have would fit this is there motorbike coasters, tbh, apart from the lift hill this makes sence considering the plans says something about being held in a semi upright position, they also have the jet style like seating position, this is possible?
One of the switchbacks will need to be launched to i think, theres no way it can get through that helix from just a drop... a backwards launch tilt would be fun, and very possible from all the manufactures that have been mentioned in this post.

[moon993]

nice

[03gibbss]

News from TowersTimes:

Hill Fort May Delay New Coaster

Ground work on the new 2010 Rollercoaster to replace Corkscrew could face delays after claims the ride will cover a historical site. It is believed that an Iron Age Hill Fort is to be built over when the rollercoaster is errected. An archaeologist from Staffordshire County Council is due to visit the site in the next week.

A local resident brought this to the attention of the Council, whi are now going to investigate if the new ride is to be built over the Fort. Alton Towers have said that they did include the Iron Age Hill Fort on ther plans, and that the site is nowhere near the area marked out for the Corkscrew's replacement.

The local resident from Alton has researched the local area, and claims that Alton Towers did not realise the Hill Fort extended so far. Alton Towers say that the Hill Fort in question is one close to the Trade and Staff entrance, and not close to the 2010 area.

(Grrr the locals who don't want a woodie and are now trying to stop this coaster!)

[Tawm]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[sr3d]

News from TowersTimes:

Hill Fort May Delay New Coaster

Ground work on the new 2010 Rollercoaster to replace Corkscrew could face delays after claims the ride will cover a historical site. It is believed that an Iron Age Hill Fort is to be built over when the rollercoaster is errected. An archaeologist from Staffordshire County Council is due to visit the site in the next week.

A local resident brought this to the attention of the Council, whi are now going to investigate if the new ride is to be built over the Fort. Alton Towers have said that they did include the Iron Age Hill Fort on ther plans, and that the site is nowhere near the area marked out for the Corkscrew's replacement.

The local resident from Alton has researched the local area, and claims that Alton Towers did not realise the Hill Fort extended so far. Alton Towers say that the Hill Fort in question is one close to the Trade and Staff entrance, and not close to the 2010 area.

(Grrr the locals who don't want a woodie and are now trying to stop this coaster!)
They won't stop it, at the most it'll mean a new layout which imho at the moment would be a great idea.......

[dementedbear]

They won't stop it, at the most it'll mean a new layout which imho at the moment would be a great idea.......

Absolutely. Tbh, I hope Alton have to rethink this ride, and make it more exciting. Their last few Secret Weapons have been no where near the original intensity of Nemesis and Oblivion.

[Tawm]

I'm biased since im a huge fanboy. AT could stick me on a track that just completes a circle and i'll say it's the best thing ever.

That being said though, my honest opinion of what this "worlds first" will be is merely playing around with an idea just to have it there,(similar to oblivion, it's just the drop essentially) rather than stretching it to its full potential. i really want to be proven wrong haha

[ytivarg]

That's what seems to happen with Alton coasters though... it's the initial idea (vertical drop, launching, flying) and that's about it... not really pushing it anywhere near it's creative limits.

I give exception to Nemesis, however.. that just looks amazing.

[Tawm]

^Exactly. AT is like the guinea pig for prototypes.

And another point you made that makes me smile - Americans have 90% of the top coasters of the world, yet they seem to love Nemesis :D

I think i've got some sick obsession with the ride, the whole concept of it - i mean it virtually has no drop, yet it picks up speed like crazy

[ytivarg]

Precisely what intrigues me so. I will ride it before I die. I just wish I could go back in time and ride it it's opening year. I'll bet it was breathtaking.

Meerkat and I had an interesting conversation when he came to CP, about how he would compare Raptor to Nemesis. I brought up how much Raptor has aged... and some of the really 'punchy' elements have gotten a bit rough over the years.

What's your take on how Nemesis has aged (Well, however long you've been riding it...)

[dementedbear]

I've been riding it since 1998 and it's still amazing. I love the feeling of getting to the park early and hearing the music float over and roar of the trains, without being able to see the ride. The theming is still great, and the ride as smooth and intense as it was ten years ago.

[sr3d]

I've been riding it since 1998 and it's still amazing. I love the feeling of getting to the park early and hearing the music float over and roar of the trains, without being able to see the ride. The theming is still great, and the ride as smooth and intense as it was ten years ago.
I Love that feeling to, sooooooo good with the rides rushing by, music playing, just lose myself in it and run round the entire park all day without stopping for lunch till 10 mins before the park shuts. Nemesis is definitely still smooth as well, and packs a punch still, there was a point where it was shut for a few years (2002, 03, 04 I think..) then it started running again, so I'm not sure if I was just unlucky and it was broke the 4 or 5 times I went or if it was modified and smoothed out, but it's definately still got a punch to it, to the point where going into the barrel roll I nearly pass out from the G's...most times, still if you get lucky there's days with no queues on normal or single rider and you can just run round 24/7 [/wall of text]

[Tawm]

Precisely what intrigues me so. I will ride it before I die. I just wish I could go back in time and ride it it's opening year. I'll bet it was breathtaking.

Meerkat and I had an interesting conversation when he came to CP, about how he would compare Raptor to Nemesis. I brought up how much Raptor has aged... and some of the really 'punchy' elements have gotten a bit rough over the years.

What's your take on how Nemesis has aged (Well, however long you've been riding it...)

Nemesis is smooth as anything. Yet still so seriously intense. I went on it about 8 times last october, a few times in the front, and towards the back. The back left seat was such an extreme experience :bulb:


back on topic: after watching this video on the intamin website, the layout has suspiciously similar characteristics to the SW6 layout.

http://www.intaminworldwide.com/iag/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=32

[meme5053]

This is my updated storyline:

2008-demolition of the corkscrew coaster for a new attraction has come to a screeching halt due to the remains of a castle-looking structure being unearthed.
It is believed that the ruins once used to be an ancient burial ground guarded by the spirit *Insert creepy spirit name here*. And now that you have unearthed it, the spirit is trying to protect it by any means necessary.

[Alpengeist]

This is the real story.

http://www.towersalmanac.com/index.php?show_story=368

[sykesie-92]

^ Nothing much to comment on until they have the meeting.
Theres been objections from locals, but most of the locals like alton towers for obvious reasons, i hope it come through.

[Squid2]

This is my updated storyline:

2008-demolition of the corkscrew coaster for a new attraction has come to a screeching halt due to the remains of a bunch of ticked off neighbors. It is believed that the neighbors once used to be nice people with normal hearing, but their ears have enlarged due to arrogance. And now that you have hurt their feelings, the neighbors are trying to protect their egos by any means necessary.

Thought I would correct this for you. No thanks necessary! :P

Squid2

[6000000flags]

Squid, don't make me laugh. I'm eating right now!


Anyways, it could be a Wingrider, the Intamin website says they can have a dark ride section before launch. Could it be modded into a 4-D launch? This is unlikely seeing as they wanted a more family ride than the other SWs. http://www.intaminworldwide.com/iag/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=32

[sykesie-92]

^ Doesnt Launch
Plus they'd have to fell more trees to accommodate the trains.
The dark sections on FB is just a prelude show, the trains just sits on a block section.. so the dark ride bit isnt really special, but the rest of the ride is exhilarating!

[David Ellis]

The local council have deferred the planning decision so they can consider in more detail the objections to the new coaster.

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Protests-hit-plan-new-Alton-Towers-ride/article-692263-detail/article.html

Hopefully they will still give it the go-ahead next month.

David.

[Cyberleader]

Darned locals just don't know what's good for them, if they didn't want to be 'disturbed' by Alton Towers, why did they buy a house next to it? It's officially been a Theme Park since 1980, and I suspect most of those complaining haven't been there longer than that. And there's been Summer Fetes since the 1890s!

[sykesie-92]

^ 40 odd complaints out of the whole of Altons a minority tbh, i reckon, most people depend on AT for there livelihood, it does alot for the local economy
I blame the OAP's XD

[canobiecrazy]

I have a feeling this will be an Intamin Wingwalker.

[sykesie-92]

^I have a feeling your wrong
You not seen the plans?

[Westcot]

Plus, it's going to be a "world's first" roller coaster. Whatever it is, we really can't put it into a category as of yet.

[RedRevRage]

^ 40 odd complaints out of the whole of Altons a minority tbh, i reckon, most people depend on AT for there livelihood, it does alot for the local economy
I blame the OAP's XD

There's probably only 100 people in Alton.







...and 2 surnames.

[The Ghost]

Ok, they're pissed about a new coaster going near the fort, but they wanted to propose a new overpasss next to it which would cut down more trees and actually go right next to the historical site?

Wow...some people are insane.

[eot1]

I have extreme doubts that it will be a wingrider.

Wingriders are launched, I doubt there would be much room, there wouldn't be switchbacks on a wingrider and also the coaster is going to be a world's first.

I don't know about a mega-lite but I think that the layout would be too short for it and the trains might be too long for a switchback.

I think it will be a Veko but I am not really sure about a Gersty.

What really annoys me is the fact that the fort is no where near the coaster and still people don't want it.. Why can't they move? It would be impossible for those coaster's to be relocated but if they did, they wouldn't be as good.

[sykesie-92]

APPROVED!
Staffordshire Moorlands District Council held their committee meeting today, 12th March, and approved the ride a little before 5.00pm after several hours deliberation.

[sr3d]

APPROVED!
Staffordshire Moorlands District Council held their committee meeting today, 12th March, and approved the ride a little before 5.00pm after several hours deliberation.


Hell yes :D Bring on 2010 :D

[elljhitch]

APPROVED!
Staffordshire Moorlands District Council held their committee meeting today, 12th March, and approved the ride a little before 5.00pm after several hours deliberation.


**** yes. Roll on 2010!

[Alpengeist]

I don't know about a mega-lite but I think that the layout would be too short for it and the trains might be too long for a switchback.

Not to mention the height only being around 20 meters or 65 feet. As for the train length, that wouldn't be an issue on a mega-lite coaster. ...The trains are fairly short.

[RedRevRage]

Hell yes :D Bring on 2010 :D

**** yes. Roll on 2010!


Elljhitch is more of a bad man than sr3d!

I don't know what either of their names mean, it must be ghetto talk!

[sykesie-92]

http://www.staffsmoorlands.public-i.tv/slide/2616/s_slide6.jpg
well.. corkies gone-ish!

[OverBank]

Dunno if anyone's been to Alton Towers recently and seen any development on this, but does anyone know what's going on with the new 2010 Roller Coaster at Alton Towers. Rumour has it that it's gonna be a "World First" coaster. I can't find any more information on it, does anyone else know what's happening? I'm going mad not know what it is :hitting-self:

[KingVeveraine]

THISTHREADALREADYEXISTS (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=660777&highlight=alton+towers)

It's has the plans and stuff :) I am just to nice!

[gavt1976]

Is there going to be any more pictures of what the new ride is going to be or do we have to wait because i have been looking all over the place to find some but i can not find anything.

[OverBank]

well.. corkies gone-ish!
At least Alton Towers are deciding to keep the Corkscrew element of the track as a tribute to the ride, real nice of them.

[tigerlemurguy]

Gavt it hasnt even been confirmed what type of coaster it is yet, how can they post pictures? Im guessing it wont be revealed until autumn sometime.

[sykesie-92]

Thats the site now.. corkie had a bigger footprint than i thought!

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/dscf5192.jpg

The horrible use of the word fantabulous:mad::down:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/sdggsdf.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee49/sykesie-92/sdggsdf.jpg)

Anyway, the site looks clear, there's been some woodland clearing so hopefully something interesting happens soon, nothing to get excited about yet
And as for what the ride is.. well, we basically know everything about the ride apart from the manufacturer and what the worlds first element is, although i think the worlds first element will be enclosed within the building and probably launch to get up that helix after

[03gibbss]

Oooh nice! It looks so different without Corkscrew!

(You might want to put some shot tags round those pics though ;))

[sykesie-92]

I know, it made me jump when i saw how big the pics where..
Yeah looks dead weird with it clear

[03gibbss]

I'm not sure if this has be confirmed yet but is Rita getting a retheme for 2010?

It'd be weird visiting UG Land this year, it looks so different and it'll be really empty with the UG swinger gone aswell...

[sykesie-92]

Yeah it does look empty!
And, its not been confirmed, but i hope so, its a chance to really sort out that area, however if they do re-theme it i could see that being done in 2011 tbh

[03gibbss]

^ It could be a weird 2010 season if they didn't retheme it until 2011, imo there would be a pretty big clash between Rita and SW6 :p

[sykesie-92]

^ I know! :p

[elljhitch]

Ug land didn't look too empty when I went 2 days ago... Although I didn't notice the huge plot of empty land lol.

[RedRevRage]

I never really liked Ug land after Rita arrived, it just seemed stupid.

I'd like to see Rita rethemed, the racetrack crap is so obvious for a launched coaster, Alton can do better than that.

[KingVeveraine]

I never really liked Ug land after Rita arrived, it just seemed stupid.

I'd like to see Rita rethemed, the racetrack crap is so obvious for a launched coaster, Alton can do better than that.

It's not the first time they have used the 'obvious' theme. A flying coaster themed around flying, a vertical drop into a hole themed around a vertical drop into a hole. Hmm.

[RedRevRage]

They were world firsts, going on novelty value alone. I imagine this one will be a pretty crap theme as well.
I don't go to theme parks that often though so it'll be good, but nothing on a par with nemesis...

Rita had no excuse!

[tigerlemurguy]

Im hoping that they will change the name of Ug Land, as Rita has never fitted the theme of the area and I cant see rita ever being rethemed... What else could you theme a raceway coaster into?

Maybe the new coaster and rita will be two completly seperate coasters, at this point noone can be sure.

[sykesie-92]

^ UG Land will defiantly leave, and im pretty sure Rita will get a re-theme, surely they cant open it as Dark Forest Speedway or something:weird:

It looks like this rides being themed around a Crypt, so Rita would stick out too much in 2010 I think, so I reckon Rita will be rethemed this year, with a supporting flat ride installed for 2011?

EDIT: Air wasn't going to be themed around flying i believe, apparently it was going to be themed like a military theme, with it apparently like, fighting Nemesis.. but with 9/11 they changed the theme to what we have now

[RedRevRage]

That original air theme sounded really good as well!

[tigerlemurguy]

Yup I agree with you there, maybe the whole raceway theme will go altogether, and maybe a nice black paintjob will go nicely on rita?

As for a flatride I always thought Alton could do with a good drop ride.

[sykesie-92]

^^ ALOT Better!

Yeah, be nice to see it a different colour but tbh, the colour of the track wouldn't look bad against the
new theme, the cars on the other hand would properly need changing.
Hmm, it would be a pretty poor drop ride though, can't be right tall.. like.. 60-70 foot

[gavt1976]

I did hear that some rides where going to move into different places and bring in a new drop ride for 2010 or 2011.

[tigerlemurguy]

Oh I forgot about the height limit :(

What are your sources for this Gavt?

[sykesie-92]

Where you hear that?
Could be true, however i cant see what rides would could be moved?
And id prefer other flats to a drop ride at AT tbh, with the tree height and that

[tigerlemurguy]

To go with the whole spooky/gothic theme a traditonal haunted house would fit in quite well.

[03gibbss]

^ There was once, where duel is now!

They could do a drop ride if it went underground or something to make it a longer ride although i'm not sure how well it would work...

[sykesie-92]

^Dont think AT would though :p

TLG- Theres already duel, i think the new area is going to be more themed like the towers themselves, however, i wonder what will happen to gloomy woods?
Gloomy Woods a pretty nice are, and has quite a bit of space for a attraction or 2 there!
Wonder whether Merlin will do anything with Coaster Corner?

[gavt1976]

Delete posted.

[tigerlemurguy]

Interesting, thanks gavt

sykesie-92: Thats true, I just thought of the whole Hex story isnt that related to the towers? Maybe they could extend the story to cover the new coaster and possible flat ride?

[sykesie-92]

Yeah interesting Gav

TLG- Ye, i think it wil be like Hex releated :up:
Best theme in At tbh

[tigerlemurguy]

Did you see what Imagineerjohn did with the story, Im hoping AT will follow and pull of something great. (Pretty unlikely)

[RedRevRage]

I don't like Hex at all lol. I knew that story before Hex was built and I just don't think it's very interesting...

It would make sense to scrap Ug-Land and extend the towers area for the new ride.

[tigerlemurguy]

Thats actually a pretty good idea, looking at the map theres not alot of distance between the two.

How far away is this fort they are supposed to be building on compared to Rita?

[gavt1976]

When i come out of hospital next week after i have had a operation and some tests, i will be doing a inspection of a few theme parks and alton towers is at my top of the list and if i find anymore information i will let you all know what is happening.

[sykesie-92]

I think the forts like a mile away from AT!
They was checking incase the fort happened to stretch into AT which tbh, was likely but i doubt it will be themed on that!
I reckon we will see the crypt theme
and good look Gav

[gavt1976]

I think the forts like a mile away from AT!
They was checking incase the fort happened to stretch into AT which tbh, was likely but i doubt it will be themed on that!
I reckon we will see the crypt theme
and good look Gav

Thanks mate, i think i will need it.

[sykesie-92]

A holes started to be dug and a small office has appeared!
Looks like constructions starting.:up:

Also, there has been alot of weird things happening with viral videos, quite a number of Viral videos have popped up, although I don't think any are genuine some are really quite good and its possible so il post them.
1st one-Can't find it, il edit when I have.. its the least plausible, really quite poor, its just poor quality video of the trees behind UG Land.
Found it, the guys supposed to be a historian, he walks and then see's the statue thats on the station Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEHnoAPOFYE)
2nd- Posted by Maude de Neville, who was the 1st Earl with or something? Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS1C6U4Wf7w)
The poem on that one makes it the most plausible, and the reason its a video of Nottingham is because thats where Maudes buried.
3rd- Posted by MakeBritainHappy... who seems to have some sort of connection to AT, possibly a worker, had the park map and Sealife logos along time before AT revealed them, seems to like saying 'Watch the Ground' quite alot. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rByz-DS9Bsc&fmt=22)

[Jart]

According to rumors, the theme may be around a dog. I'm not joking- apparently the Earl of the Towers killed a dog and now it's returning. Explains why there's so many statues of dogs around the park. Proof? http://forum.towerstimes.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23248&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=870 (http://forum.towerstimes.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23248&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=870) and http://www.coasterforce.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25387&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=168

[sykesie-92]

^Video Two in the post above ;)
I doubt this is it, although, maybe might be the return of henry hound?

A trumpet blast, a charge into the light
From Alton Towers the hunt took flight
The Earl was confused and puzzled to why
His favorite hound was nowhere to his eye.

Upon the hunting parties return
The Earl's young child raised concern
For nowhere was he to be seen
Then suddenly an unearthly scream.

Her clothes covered in crimson smears
Her eyes alight, filled with fear
The maid cried the hound had killed the boy
With blood on it's fangs and eyes full of joy.

The frantic Earl, blinded by grief
Withdrew his blade from it's sheath
An almighty plunge of this hunting knife
Took the hound bereft of life.

The dog's dying cry awoke his son
Peacefully concealed in another room
But nearby, a slain wolf was found
The true attacker lay on the ground.

The Earl realised his dreadful error
His heart began to fill with terror
His child had been saved by the hound
Which lay displaying the fatal wound.

The poor dog's bones were laid to rest
North of the Towers in sacred ground blessed
From that day forth the Earl never smiled
His haunting mistake turning him wild.

His heart ripped and removed
The Earl's sorrow forever proved.

In a unmarked grave in Alton Towers
Lies a simple bed of flowers
In 2009 it's grave was disturbed
The Alton hound's accidental rebirth.

[meme5053]

BREAKING NEWS
Facts are starting to surface. Information pack 2 has been released:

Information Pack 2

We can confirm a few facts about the new ride at Alton Towers for 2010.

- The rides codename is Secret Weapon 6.
- This viral marketing campaign is being undertaken by a small external marketing company anonymously on behalf of Merlin. We will be conducting all viral marketing, while Merlin will launch a traditional advertising campaign nearer the rides projected opening date produced in-house.
- The rides story will be "faction", in that it uses genuine historical figures and locations in a fictional narrative.
- The rides theme will surround the legend of the "Alton Hound", the story being revealed in the first information pack. The story is indeed based on the legend of Beddgelert.
- The theme of the ride will be interlinked with Hex to some degree.
- We are the only organization who have been commissioned to create a viral marketing campaign. There are no "duel" campaigns running that purposefully contradict each other.
- The campaign will be split into two distinct parts, a part aimed at enthusiasts and a part aimed at the public. They will be intertwined, but very different.
source! (http://forum.towerstimes.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=454338#p454338)

Very interesting!

[sykesie-92]

Not facts:o
Its not real.. itl fun to see what the guy says though XD

[meme5053]

It's all been confirmed as a hoax (the facts and things anyway). Shame. This guy was brilliant at this!

[gavt1976]

I got this email this morning telling me that there is going to be 5 new rides for 2010-2012, and i thought that i would share this with all of you on here.

Possible New Ride At Alton Towers Resort Video
http://www.sikkimonline.info/videos/video/gldjaUfS9jc

[meme5053]

Mind quoting and saying where the email came from?
And I have been thinking:

New thrill element in development by the man who runs Thrill Laboratory (A sudden vertical drop where the track drops)
The night watchman having the power to open up the ground to swallow people.
MakingBritainHappy saying "watch the ground"
And somebody from TowersTimes has had an email saying this:
Firstly, let me introduce myself. My name is Dr Henry Charles Rockwell and I have been working with Alton Towers on a huge excavation project since early 2001. My identity had always been kept secret as I wanted to remain out of the 'public eye' in terms of theme park enthusiasts.

However, recent developments have caused a change in what I am aiming to achieve. The legend of the Chained Oak has, as you may well know, been one of huge mystery and no one at the resort, including myself, has ever truly believed it. That has all changed.

Deep in the valleys, a few minutes off the theme park itself, an ancient burial ground was discovered. Now I know this all sounds made up and something to bring excitement to the new project but it isn't. Four bodies were found, believed to be dated from the time of The Earl's existence. Until the carbon dating process has finished we wont know for sure.

Moreover, the planned new ride (codenamed: SW6) is going to be set around this story. The story of how since the bodies were discovered (September 24th of last year) the unearthly goings on around the site and the Towers itself have become apparent.

I can reveal to you that I do in fact have video evidence of the goings on around the wooded grave-site, I cannot however show you. Merlin will not let me show the videos and therefore mock ones have been made, although not very impressive ones.

Hex has also been affected by the disturbance as last year (around October) the ride malfunctioned 3 times (when it hadn't ever before since its opening). It also began to overheat on numerous occasions during the Halloween events.

I am telling you all this as I believe you and your viewers will indeed create hype behind the ride. And before you ask, who were the bodies of? 3 of them currently remain unidentified, 1 is known as The Night Watchman.

I give my full permission, and not that of the resort, to quote anything you have read in this email

I will keep you posted,

Dr Rockwell
May I highlight "who were the bodies of? 3 of them currently remain unidentified, 1 is known as The Night Watchman."

So this leads me to believe that the theme will be based on the legend of the nigh****chmen and the world's first element will be a sudden drop inside, and the "watch the ground" will mean be weary of the ground. And the Nigh****chman will open the ground in the station building and the track will drop.

[sykesie-92]

^^ Gavt... possible, but they wont be anything amazing, a few flats maybe?
^ Meme- The theming might be accurate, I think its possible that both Dr.Rockwell and MakeBritain happy work at AT, but none are offial sourses.
That thing on thrill lab looked about right tbh.
Hopefully construction pics will be appearing soon, the SW6 topics going nowhere tbh!

[meme5053]

Hmm..I wouldn't say it's going no-where! The best part of a new coaster is speculation IMO

[sykesie-92]

That speculations pretty much over, no ones going to post fake viral videos any more because,
1. No one takes them seriously any more.
2. They could jeopardize the chance of AT making a real viral campaign!
So we have hit a road block imo, on how much more there is to discover on the theme part.
As for manufacturer... where not going to resolve until there's a some track on site, literally every name there is has been brought up, and the debates a never ending loop of boredom!
So what im basically saying there's no new speculation, just the same old crap we know being brought up again and again

June/July is when I think we will get something to get really excited about.

[meme5053]

I recon the name will be "The night watchman"

[sykesie-92]

Well.. I dont have a clue tbh, the names usually one of the last things to be found out with AT.
And no one apart from people from AT know the theme for certain, so basically, all this Night watchmen stuff could be utter tosh so I think its a bit early to think of possible names to be fair.

[KingVeveraine]

I doubt it would be as simple as 'The Night Watchman'. Alton are known or short clever names that sum up he ride, especialy the other SW's. It would be nice if it was some Latin name or something.

[tomm.]

It should be a good ride by Alton as all their rides are! ;)
I just hope its
- Well Themed
- A Good Coaster
- Beats Saw: The Ride

Saw is the best ride i have ever ridden so i hope SW6 Lives up to my expectations, as saw did ;)

[tigerlemurguy]

Almost anything could beat saw: the ride! I wont go into detail about how much it is a waste of space and money... Alton towers could beat it anyday.

[sykesie-92]

^ Its a Eurofighter.. enough said!

[gavt1976]

My friend came in to see me at the hospital and show me some plans for the park for 2010-2012, and told me about the new coaster that is replacing corkscrew and it does look awesome.

[sykesie-92]

^
:up:.. and get well soon mate
Theres a mini site for SW6 from towernerd, and it has some sicko visuals of the station by Imagineer John!
LINK (http://2010.towersnerd.com/visuals.php)
Im happy about any coaster replacing corkscrew tbh, and I think this coaster replacements or the same level of intensity- 1.2m height to get on.. .I can't pretend I don't want a white knuckle tbh, but hopefully the themeings top class!

[tigerlemurguy]

My friend came in to see me at the hospital and show me some plans for the park for 2010-2012, and told me about the new coaster that is replacing corkscrew and it does look awesome.

Could you go into detail and tell us some of the plans or is it top secret?

[KingVeveraine]

They are available for the public to see, dearie.

[gavt1976]

Could you go into detail and tell us some of the plans or is it top secret?

It is top secret tiger, but if i get any more details then i will let you know.

[sykesie-92]

Who do people reckon will manufacture SW6?
Id put my money on Intamin tbh... even though the plans show Bi-track and Box supports, Intamin have made coaster just like that; just not intense coasters:(

[gavt1976]

Some people have been telling me that the new coaster is a Intamin and i think it is going to be, plus today i had a get well soon card from John Wardley.