== The General Six Flags Thread == SFMM is "highly proftable?"

[Sno]

Since there haven't been any generic Six Flags threads (at least for a while), I created this thread to discuss the parks, company, etc. Originally it was intend to be specifically for SFMM, but we all got a bit off topic and I guess a geneic SF thread is more fitting...

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From LA times:

http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/six-flags-qatar-3468/

Closer to home, Shapiro said Six Flags Magic Mountain will be getting another roller coaster in 2010 and a Wiggles World kiddie land sometime after that. Shapiro also said that if Terminator Salvation: The Ride proves popular at Magic Mountain when it opens in May 2009, the wooden coaster would wind up at another Six Flags park in 2010.


Looks like Shapiro meant it when he wants MM to retake the coaster throne. I wonder what type of coaster it's going to be.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

My guess is this is going to be that rumored B&M announcement. I bet it'll be a prototype, since MM has almost everything imaginable.
They have a B&M flyer, floorless, standup.
Maybe a hyper?

[Sno]

I would welcome a hyper any day. MM needs more airtime. What I find interesting is that he mentions Terminator could wind up at another SF park in 2010 if it proves popular. Does he literally mean a clone or a ride similar to it...

EDIT: MM needs to look into rides that are scoring high with other parks, like Superman:RoS at SFNE, Maverick, Expedition GeFroce, Griffon etc.

Isn't Magic Mountain kind of lacking in Intamin coasters?

Also, if Cedar Point does not build a new coaster in 2010, the parks will be tied once again for the crown.

[The_Mad_Hadder]

^lacking Intamin Coasters? it doesn't have any :p

[Cedar Point]

I think that's what he means...

[Westcot]

Isn't Superman an Intamin?

[Sno]

^ Pretty sure it is.

[Wild 1]

http://www.rcdb.com/id140.htm Yes it is. I think they would not need to remove anything to build it, they could make "Parking Lot the Ride" again. I also doubt that they would build a B&M hyper because they have a knock off of one.

[Westcot]

^ Yes, I have insider information that the ride will be called "Scream! 2: Parking Lot's Revenge: The Ride."

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p21526.jpg

;)

[Sno]

I hope it's not a Dark Knight clone or something... :( Although I'd prefer that over a Tony Hawk clone.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I honestly think it'll be DC themed. They bought the licensing, why not use it to the max? That's probably the idea.

[Wild 1]

An El Loco coaster? They are not that big and could fit without tearing anything out and not making another Parking lot coaster. I am still surprised that they by now have not put at least some dirt under Scream.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I am still surprised that they by now have not put at least some dirt under Scream.
Or some grass? People claim Cedar Fair is the worst when it comes to plopping down rides, but at least they put grass under Dominator.

I can see a Fahrenheit-type Intamin fitting in this park. It was incredibly compact and perfect for the park.

[Sno]

^^ That would actually work well for the park. They don't have any other rides that even come close to a wild mouse or el loco plus it could go where Flashback was theoretically.

I like the parking lot under Scream-- on a hot day you can feel the heat as you sweep by. :) Sometimes I have to close my eyes though. >.<

[Cedar Point]

I honestly think it'll be DC themed. They bought the licensing, why not use it to the max? That's probably the idea.
Because they've already sucked it dry?

[Wild 1]

I think that the place where Flashback was is going to be used for a HH expansion. Maybe somewhere close to Viper?

^^^ I don't think that they would build a Fahrenheit coaster in the trouble they are in and that they would have added a major coaster the year before. Also it would be down more then up for the first few months, almost all Intaimin coaster do that.

[Sno]

Yeah... Although a Fahrenheit coaster would be awesome I doubt SFMM are planning on something like that. I could totally be wrong, though. I think MM needs a launcher, though. Superman is their only one right now, right?

EDIT: Maybe a Zac Spin model?

[cpkidOH]

Not sure if a Zac Spin or an El Loco would work well, since MM will require somthing with higher capicaty.

Agree about the launched coaster. Somthing along the lines of Pony Express could do the trick, since they need more family coasters.

[Sno]

Something like Pony Express would only work if it was situated on the mountain itself in my opinion, as it would make the ride so much more fun. It would be cool if it somehow went over parts of the river rapids ride too. Not too keen on Pony Express let alone its ride type.

[~LoveTulie]

Aha, so Cedar Point's rival (they almost have more coasters than CP) is about to get another coaster! 2 actually!

Oh noes! :p

[CedarPointer]

Six Flags has bigger things to worry about, like their alarming amount of debt.

[LightGrenades]

Six Flags has bigger things to worry about, like their alarming amount of debt.

Still say they should drop all but 6 parks.

SUBSTITUE ST. LOUIS FOR GREAT AMERICA

http://i36.tinypic.com/o06jdf.jpg

It lists 7, but the real wild card is Six Flags New England, and whether or not they deem it necessary to keep.

Fiesta Texas and Over Texas can be considered one. I'm not sure as to which is more popular, so which ever one is more popular and has a better infrastructure stays.

I know it's much easier said than done, but they really need to recognize.

Make Magic Mountain and Great Adventure flagship parks on the coasts. Their locations are in the two most heavily populated areas in the country
Split parks based on region (map)
Restructure the entire company. Have 3 'big cheeses' control the 6 parks, with each getting 2 parks to overlook
Sell off some old ride. Some smaller parks would love to get a cheap coaster and or wooden classic.
STOP WITH MOVIE TIE-INS AND NAMES. Only Disney can really get away with it, due to actually being in the movie industry
Make SFGADV and SFMM more 'resort-y'. Shops, hotels other amenities that would draw people. It's hard to fight Disney, but if they can make it (primarily in New Jersey) the place to go for family fun and good, mature thrills, it could be big. Not saying Disney is a slouch, but up north here, there isn't much, so they have a good chance to take a bit of the 'travel to Florida' crowd if they can provide real family fun, not just teenage and enthusiast fun.
DO NOT even try to compete with Disney.
Try to ignore Cedar Fair for the time being. Re-establish your image amongst the 'hardcore' fanatics first. This requires themeing, renaming, refurbishing first off. Once that is done, then go after them. (Cedar Point in particular isn't very well themed, but they did make better choices on trying to theme and actual ride names).
MOAR SECURITY. Line cutters, especially at Great Adventure ****ing suck.
Fix what goes on at your water parks, especially after dark.... after what I've heard I have no intentions of going to one.
Moar Looney Tunes, less Wiggles and Super heros plz. Looney Tunes is more recognizable.

These are just off the top of my head and what I think they could to do fix basically everything. Some might not make sense, but I believe if done right could be huge.

Feel free to pick them apart if anyone would like.:)

[Sno]

^ Totally agree with you on almost all of you points. I think the 6 (take out Fiesta Texas in my opinion) parks you listed would be a smart move for Six Flags, considering they all have something going for them.

I also agree that Magic Mountain as well as Gadv should be focused on more as resorts. To do that, though, Magic Mountain needs to start focusing on variety, which they are lacking in the category of flat rides. However, retaking the coaster count crown could be used as an advantage for MM, so I think it's a smart move to add another coaster (although I would be just as happy with a few modern flat rides)...

As for security, I think that MM has gotten a whole lot better in the last two years. Not sure about HH but I feel much safer at the mountain that I would have before Tatsu was built.

I also totally agree with you on the movie tie-ins. It's getting lame on their part. And as you said, at least CF tries with theming. Magic Mountain would be such a great park if they added some flat rides (decent models), updated the food, re-theme the park in some needed areas, and add something (like water, dirt, grass) under Scream.

[SnooSnoo]

Moar?


ps: most of those aren't even CLOSE to where the parks actually are.. lol

[LightGrenades]

Moar?


ps: most of those aren't even CLOSE to where the parks actually are.. lol

'Course it was a quick 2 minute mock-up of a map....

[CedarPointer]

Still say they should drop all but 6 parks.
Totally agreed.
It lists 7, but the real wild card is Six Flags New England, and whether or not they deem it necessary to keep.

Fiesta Texas and Over Texas can be considered one. I'm not sure as to which is more popular, so which ever one is more popular and has a better infrastructure stays.
They wouldn't drop Over Texas, since it was the first Six Flags.

I know it's much easier said than done, but they really need to recognize.

Make Magic Mountain and Great Adventure flagship parks on the coasts. Their locations are in the two most heavily populated areas in the country They already are, I think.
Split parks based on region (map)
Restructure the entire company. Have 3 'big cheeses' control the 6 parks, with each getting 2 parks to overlook
Sell off some old ride. Some smaller parks would love to get a cheap coaster and or wooden classic.
STOP WITH MOVIE TIE-INS AND NAMES. Only Disney can really get away with it, due to actually being in the movie industry YESYESYES! They don't even have to think of a new ride's name, they just have to think of the latest DC property.
Make SFGADV and SFMM more 'resort-y'. Shops, hotels other amenities that would draw people. It's hard to fight Disney, but if they can make it (primarily in New Jersey) the place to go for family fun and good, mature thrills, it could be big. Not saying Disney is a slouch, but up north here, there isn't much, so they have a good chance to take a bit of the 'travel to Florida' crowd if they can provide real family fun, not just teenage and enthusiast fun.
DO NOT even try to compete with Disney. Note that SF calls themselves theme parks.
Try to ignore Cedar Fair for the time being. Re-establish your image amongst the 'hardcore' fanatics first. This requires themeing, renaming, refurbishing first off. Once that is done, then go after them. (Cedar Point in particular isn't very well themed, but they did make better choices on trying to theme and actual ride names). I wouldn't really say it needs theming. As long as they have good rides (read: no more parking lot coasters... at least there's grass under Dominator at KD) people will go.
MOAR SECURITY. Line cutters, especially at Great Adventure ****ing suck. Don't forget SFA.
Fix what goes on at your water parks, especially after dark.... after what I've heard I have no intentions of going to one.
Moar Snoopy, less Wiggles and Super heros plz. Snoopy is more recognizable. They don't have the rights to Snoopy. Cedar Fair does. Did you mean Looney Toons?

These are just off the top of my head and what I think they could to do fix basically everything. Some might not make sense, but I believe if done right could be huge.

Feel free to pick them apart if anyone would like.:)
One thing I feel compelled to point out: you'll never see me whine about the lack of theming at Cedar Point. Why? Cedar Fair doesn't try to call themselves theme parks. Maybe the former Paramount Parks, but they are theme parks. Six Flags has no problems calling themselves theme parks, so I'll be glad to compare them to Universal, Disney, etc.

[Westcot]

Still say they should drop all but 6 parks.

What about keeping SFOG? That's one of their better parks.

EDIT: Nevermind, I feel stupid now. You put Six Flags Over Georgia down as Six Flags Great America. ;)

[cpkidOH]

Just curious, why isn't SFGAm listed as well, most likely in the place of SFStL. That's on the borderline of being one of their flagship parks and is also in the third largest metro area in the country.

But yeah, you made some great points. Basically sums up what they need to do to improve. I think that they are already headed in the right direction in some of those areas, but still need to work on restoring financial stability.

[LightGrenades]

One thing I feel compelled to point out: you'll never see me whine about the lack of theming at Cedar Point. Why? Cedar Fair doesn't try to call themselves theme parks. Maybe the former Paramount Parks, but they are theme parks. Six Flags has no problems calling themselves theme parks, so I'll be glad to compare them to Universal, Disney, etc.

Yes, I did mean Looney Toons. I realized that when I signed off that Cedar Fair did (camp snoopy at Dorney)

Well, in all honesty, it doesn't need too much themeing, rather more sense to what they theme. Great Adventure has a movie area that consists of.... Batman the Ride, and The Dark Knight. That's it that are actually movies.

And what I mean by flagship requires more work from them to do so. They need some kind of resort, iconic 'landmarks' or props, fireworks shows or some kind of show everyday, I know they did Light Parades last year. Basically more to draw in the crowds.

Just curious, why isn't SFGAm listed as well, most likely in the place of SFStL. That's on the borderline of being one of their flagship parks and is also in the third largest metro area in the country.

But yeah, you made some great points. Basically sums up what they need to do to improve. I think that they are already headed in the right direction in some of those areas, but still need to work on restoring financial stability.

I haven't been to any outside gadv, so I wouldn't know, I only went by geographical location, and St. Louis was the first one I remembered. But you're right.

[CedarPointer]

Yes, I did mean Looney Toons. I realized that when I signed off that Cedar Fair did (camp snoopy at Dorney)

Well, in all honesty, it doesn't need too much themeing, rather more sense to what they theme. Great Adventure has a movie area that consists of.... Batman the Ride, and The Dark Knight. That's it that are actually movies.

And what I mean by flagship requires more work from them to do so. They need some kind of resort, iconic 'landmarks' or props, fireworks shows or some kind of show everyday, I know they did Light Parades last year. Basically more to draw in the crowds.

Iconic landmarks... oh, no, I could so see them plopping down a Sky Tower in the parking lot of all their parks.
http://blog.nj.com/2days/2008/08/large_2d30ki.jpg
Okay, that is a really cheesy float. (but I guess the KBF Winter Solstice floats aren't much better)

[Sno]

^ The KBF floats are embarrassing in my opinion...

[CedarPointer]

They look like a 5th grade class made them.
If you want something more embarrassing about KBF, check out kbfdrama.com. Totally sad.

[Sno]

Woah! Agreed, lol.

[CedarPointer]

I would love to see what happens when some park execs discover that.

[Sno]

Haha, same. That was just..... wow.

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[Wild 1]

Where would the rides go if what LG said happened? Well I made a list of where many of the Coaster will end up and will never be seen again! I did not include Kiddy coasters.

SFA Coasters
Batwing-Random Cedar Fair park
SROS- SFFT because they do not have a hyper yet.
Mind Eraser- Destroyed hopefully but most likely would go to a small park in the Cedar Fair Chain.
ROAR- Scrapped or sent to SFNE or SFFT because both have pretty bad wooden coasters.
Wild One-Sent to a small park that is getting started and will close in two years due to bad management.
Joker's Jinx- SFMM, It could fit.

SFDK Coasters
ROAR-Sent to SFNE or SFFT. One would go to each
Coast to coaster- Scrapped or sent to a small park.
Kong- Scrapped or sent to random midwest park.
Medusa- SFOT They do not have a Floorless
Big Spin- SFMM, They need a spinning coaster.
V2- Cedar Fair park

SFKK Coasters
Thunder Run- Scrapped
Twisted Twins- Left to rot
T2- Sent to yet another random small park.
Chang- SFOT, SFNE as nether have a stand up unless you count the parts of shockwave as a coaster/torture device.
Greezed Lightning- Sold for parks or sold to a park in South America.

My random list of relocated rides. I hope you enjoy watching as your "Favorite" coasters get ripped from the ground and moved/Scrapped!
If I missed any parks tell me!


For people who think this is true it is not.

[Westcot]

They look like a 5th grade class made them.
If you want something more embarrassing about KBF, check out kbfdrama.com. Totally sad.

Speaking about Knott's, this report is very interesting from a former employee...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/299/RipOff0299763.htm

[CedarPointer]

I highly doubt pretty much all of that. Why? It doesn't make sense. Cedar Fair has some of the safest parks in the US... they are a company that is concerened with safety, ergo their parks wouldn't be in that condition.

[Westcot]

I really don't have too much trouble believing it. I think if someone took the time to write a report that lengthy, it would most likely be true. But who knows, it's the internet... and you never know when someone's pushing the truth.

I do believe that guests complain just to get money or a free visit, though. After witnessing what people will file a lawsuit over these days, it's not surprising. Plus, it's not fair to the park employees that get suspended or fired over it.

[n747]

You live in Ohio - you don't know what Knotts is like.

The flagship attractions of the original Knotts Berry Farm were the classics - the Log Ride, the Calico Mine Ride, the Rapids, the train, the stagecoach...ect. The two darkrides were built at least 50 years ago (even more than that, actually) and still retain their original structures. The maintenance of those structures is tantamount to the safety of the ride and to the guests riding them. When a big company like Cedar Fair comes in and runs the park like a cog in a wheel, micro-budgets get slashed and things that require more attention are left to rot because the company doesn't know the maintenance history of the ride.

I have no doubts that the Log ride structure is in a very dangerous position right now. It hasn't had an extensive refurbishment since CF took over KBF and the last time I went on it, it was a sad state of affairs. They are patchwork-repairing this ride so it can operate the majority of the time the park is open. It's not at all how it was when the Knotts were running it. I can imagine the same issue with the Calico Mine ride - it's just unnerving to see these classics get trashed because a clueless company saw a cash cow in Southern California.

This park will not last, as more and more of the heart is stripped away it's revealing nothing more than a shallow attempt at reaching a demographic they have no idea how to get. The reason why guests are the way they are is how the park has been run for the years CF has had it. They run it like a cold, heartless business that is only in it for profit. Things were not like this when the Knotts family was in power...it was a different time.

And yes, those reports about Ghostrider are most certainly true. It's not only rough...it's seriously dangerous. We should stop giving the death penalty and make prisoners ride this thing.

[Wild 1]

GhostRider was such a good coaster, then CF started neglecting it.
Come on get GCI to retrack that thing and Mean Streak Now!
Why does CF neglect their wooden Coasters? Most of them are really rough and over trimed. How much would it cost to just take care of them?

[CedarPointer]

They've been getting better. Last year they totally retracked and untrimmed Timber Wolf (the brakes aren't physically present on the track anymore) and it's really good. Went from being Nephew of Son of Beast to an enjoyable ride.

[Cedar Point]

Still say they should drop all but 6 parks.

SUBSTITUE ST. LOUIS FOR GREAT AMERICA
St. Louis for SFGAm? I don't think that will or should happen. SFGAm is one of their bigger, main parks, and it's near Chicago. They'll get more people from the Chicago area than they will from St. Louis.

Plus, SFGAm is my home park. ;)

<snippity>
It lists 7, but the real wild card is Six Flags New England, and whether or not they deem it necessary to keep. Yeah.

Fiesta Texas and Over Texas can be considered one. I'm not sure as to which is more popular, so which ever one is more popular and has a better infrastructure stays. I agree that two parks in one state is too much, but if they're going to get rid of one, it's going to be SFFT. There would be a friggin huge uproar if they bulldozed SFoT.



I know it's much easier said than done, but they really need to recognize.

Make Magic Mountain and Great Adventure flagship parks on the coasts. Their locations are in the two most heavily populated areas in the country Those two parks pretty much are the company, but if you're going to have SFMM there, ditch SFDK. It's not a widely known enough park, and like I said, two parks in one state is too much.
Split parks based on region (map) Agreed. Evenly cover the entire country.
Restructure the entire company. Have 3 'big cheeses' control the 6 parks, with each getting 2 parks to overlook Meh...then it would be like 3 diferent chains, with each bossman having a different vision for each park...better to unify the chain into one image, rather than three.
Sell off some old ride. Some smaller parks would love to get a cheap coaster and or wooden classic. Well, considering you just destroyed half their chain, I guess they would have to sell some rides, wouldn't they? ;)
STOP WITH MOVIE TIE-INS AND NAMES. Only Disney can really get away with it, due to actually being in the movie industry And Universal, they can do it too. But I agree.
Make SFGADV and SFMM more 'resort-y'. Shops, hotels other amenities that would draw people. It's hard to fight Disney, but if they can make it (primarily in New Jersey) the place to go for family fun and good, mature thrills, it could be big. Not saying Disney is a slouch, but up north here, there isn't much, so they have a good chance to take a bit of the 'travel to Florida' crowd if they can provide real family fun, not just teenage and enthusiast fun. Meh...it's a good idea on paper, but will they really be willing to put in the time, money and effort to keep up a resort considering they can barely keep up an amusement park?
DO NOT even try to compete with Disney. Yes.
Try to ignore Cedar Fair for the time being. Re-establish your image amongst the 'hardcore' fanatics first. This requires themeing, renaming, refurbishing first off. Once that is done, then go after them. (Cedar Point in particular isn't very well themed, but they did make better choices on trying to theme and actual ride names). I'm not sure 'ignoring' your compeititors is a very good idea.
MOAR SECURITY. Line cutters, especially at Great Adventure ****ing suck. I think every park could do better with better security.
Fix what goes on at your water parks, especially after dark.... after what I've heard I have no intentions of going to one. Goes along with the security.
Moar Looney Tunes, less Wiggles and Super heros plz. Looney Tunes is more recognizable. OMGYES. Get the Wiggles out of my park. Go back to Looney Tunes.
These are just off the top of my head and what I think they could to do fix basically everything. Some might not make sense, but I believe if done right could be huge.

Feel free to pick them apart if anyone would like.:) As you wish. :D
The main problem I see is getting rid of SFGAm. If you're going to keep a park in the midwest, it has to be SFGAm. That's one of their top parks right now, and St. Louis would not be the right park to keep.

Comments and other musings in bold.

[Sno]

Another bonus would be that some of the flat rides from the parks that would close could move to Magic Mountain, perhaps?

I kind of wish we were hearing "SFMM to get ___ amount of flat rides for 2010."

[Ice101]

Another bonus would be that some of the flat rides from the parks that would close could move to Magic Mountain, perhaps?

I kind of wish we were hearing "SFMM to get ___ amount of flat rides for 2010."
Yes. Like what SFOT did a few years back...

[Dragon'sFire34]

Yes. Like what SFOT did a few years back...

I can see SFMM getting some new flats for 2011-2012. What would be perfect for that is if they removed the Goliath there, and filled that area with as many flat rides as possible.

That way, the 2010 new coaster could be a new hyper coaster, and SFMM can just set the flat rides in used up land.

If such is not the case, though, I hope the new 2010 coaster is a B&M Dive Machine or another GCI woodie. Adding a third wooden coaster wont hurt the park at all, and will add another alternative to the massive multi-looping steel coasters the park is known for. Plus, it'll be another awesome GCI wooden coaster. But, a B&M Dive Machine would be good too for the following reasons:
1. They wont be making the mistake CF did with Knott's.
2. With more room for the coaster design, B&M will most likely have a much more creative design.

[SnooSnoo]

It lists 7, but the real wild card is Six Flags New England

You do know SFNE is probably one of the nicest parks in the chain?

[rideslover]

New roller coaster for Six Flags Magic Mountain but i guess.

I guess.. B & M Dive Coaster? or Intamin Accelerator Coaster? or (Dark Knight) Mack Wild Mouse? or Spinning Coaster?

Here list for the roller coasters.

B & M: Batman the Ride (Inverter), Riddler's Revenge (Stand), Scream (Floorless) and Tatsu (Flying).

Giovanola: Goliath (Mega).

Intamin: Superman the Escape (Reverse Freefall)

Arrow: Ninja (Suspended), Viper (Mega Looper), Gold Rusher (Mine Train) and X2 (4th Dimension).

Schwarzkopf: Revolution (Steel Loop).

Vekoma: Déjà Vu (Giant Inverter Boomerang).

International Amusement Devices, Inc: Colossus (Wood with Twin Tracks).

Great Coasters International: Terminator Salvation (Wood Coaster).

Miler Coaster, Inc: Canyon Blaster (Kiddie Coaster).

Bradley and Kaye: Percy's Railway (Little Dipper).

The other new rides come to SFMM in 2010. Wiggles World kiddie land where the old flashback on site. I think the tilt-a-whirl maybe return to park from being in storage.

RIP Psyclone, Flashback, Freefall, Sierra Twist and Spinout.

[Westcot]

If such is not the case, though, I hope the new 2010 coaster is a B&M Dive Machine or another GCI woodie. Adding a third wooden coaster wont hurt the park at all, and will add another alternative to the massive multi-looping steel coasters the park is known for. Plus, it'll be another awesome GCI wooden coaster. But, a B&M Dive Machine would be good too for the following reasons:
1. They wont be making the mistake CF did with Knott's.
2. With more room for the coaster design, B&M will most likely have a much more creative design.

I guess.. B & M Dive Coaster? or Intamin Accelerator Coaster? or (Dark Knight) Mack Wild Mouse? or Spinning Coaster?

Why does everyone always think a park will get a dive machine? I wouldn't expect to see another one in the US outside of a Busch park for the next 5 years, due to their exclusive contract.

Also, everyone always seems to forget that Six Flags is in a lot of debt right now. For the next few years, I think that we'll see the parks purchasing smaller family-oriented rides, as well as transforming some of their older coasters. :)

[tycooner55]

Why does everyone always think a park will get a dive machine? I wouldn't expect to see another one in the US outside of a Busch park for the next 5 years, due to their exclusive contract.

Any idea when that contract ends/ended? I knew one was in place but I never knew when the contract expired.

[Westcot]

^ I'm almost positive that it's 2012, but I could be wrong...

[tycooner55]

^ I'm almost positive that it's 2012, but I could be wrong...

Wow, that's one heck of a contract since ShieKra was built in 2005.

[Garfield 06]

There's a few things that SFMM might want to go through with...

-Replace Colossus's trains with Timberliners
-Remove Revolution's shoulder harnesses
-Change out Ninja's trains for a couple of floorless Vekoma trains.
-Dress up some of the area under Scream
-Add a Giant Frisbee in the Cyclone Bay area.
-Add a Top Spin in Gotham City.
-Go for a few new rides for Hurricane Harbor
-Work on paving all of your parking lot
-And as for a 2010 coaster...if one is absolutely necessary, well, if they have to...okay, fine. They just simply do not need a new coaster right after Terminator. There's just absolutely no point. Six Flags has no monetary sanction nor reason to add one except the world record. It would be just pointless.

G-06

[Wild 1]

Time to pick apart your suggestions!:)


Replace Colossus's trains with Timberliners-Probably not going to happen if anything they should get some new PTC's, it does not need articulated trains.
-Remove Revolution's shoulder harnesses- This is one of those things that should have happened years ago, right now with the pain even it's Little brother SDL is better.
-Change out Ninja's trains for a couple of floorless Vekoma trains.-Also probably not going to happen but we can always hope. I wonder what BBW with them would be like...
-Dress up some of the area under Scream- This really needs to be done, put some dirt their people!
-Add a Giant Frisbee in the Cyclone Bay area.- Where would they put it? But they need new Flats and a Frisbee would be best.
-Add a Top Spin in Gotham City. More Flats, More Fun!
-Go for a few new rides for Hurricane Harbor.- Please expand into the Flashback area, everytime I pass it my neck will suddenly start hurting.
-Work on paving all of your parking lot- Please pave it!
-And as for a 2010 coaster...if one is absolutely necessary, well, if they have to...okay, fine. They just simply do not need a new coaster right after Terminator. There's just absolutely no point. Six Flags has no monetary sanction nor reason to add one except the world record. It would be just pointless.- I agree if they need to add a new one please put it at a park that needs it. I can name more then a few.

Your ideas are great but many I just do not think that SFMM is going to put the time or effort into.

[Ice101]

There's a few things that SFMM might want to go through with...

-Replace Colossus's trains with Timberliners What do you even know about Timberliners, lets not jump to conclusions
-Remove Revolution's shoulder harnesses That's a given
-Change out Ninja's trains for a couple of floorless Vekoma trains. No, that would take away from the affect of Ninja, besides we don't want people breaking there foot when someone is knocked unconscious by this coaster :noob:
-Dress up some of the area under Scream Just grass and a tree or 2
-Add a Giant Frisbee in the Cyclone Bay area. Where!? There is absolutely no room of that proportion.
-Add a Top Spin in Gotham City. That's the last place flats are needed.
-Go for a few new rides for Hurricane Harbor One is plenty, the park is well off as is.
-Work on paving all of your parking lot Unnecessary, why pave a lot thats is only used for peak days?
-And as for a 2010 coaster...if one is absolutely necessary, well, if they have to...okay, fine. They just simply do not need a new coaster right after Terminator. There's just absolutely no point. Six Flags has no monetary sanction nor reason to add one except the world record. It would be just pointless. Okay, lets say the park gets a Vekoma Roller Skater, whats so bad about that? Nice, cheap, kid friendly, exactly what the park needs for a low price.

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Lets get practical here...

[Garfield 06]

Grill me why don't you...;)

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[The Ghost]

^^^ I should go ahead and make a list for SFGAdv then:

1. GET RID OF THE ****ING WIGGLES! Turn that area into something useful.

2. If the park is to become more family friendly, I suggest a few darkrides should get added, maybe in Movietown at the old site of Freefall.

3. Fresh up the theming a bit more with current attractions, like adding special effects in Skull Mountain (plus find a way that not so much light bleeds in), add something to Batman's break-run, spruce up Superman's queue to make it look like you're both walking through Metropolis and flying over it, ect.

4. Once again with theming, try to transport people into another world from the second they step in the park. Add some horse cars around the entrance area and near the fountain, spruce the Boardwalk up to make it look like a turn of the century fair, add trees next to the body of water between El Toro and Runaway Mine Train so El Toro isn't so exposed, make the Enchanted Forest area look more like and alpine village, have the waterfront area look more like a New England wharf, ect.

5. You want more families to come Shapiro, you're gonna need more shows. Maybe have a wild west show in the Great Arena during the day and turn it a concert venue at night...or make use of the seats near the lake and use that area for a jet ski stunt show. Some fireworks would be nice too.

6. Improve the food quality a little. Last time I ate there I had some serious diarreah.

7. Improve park security. Even though the park's in a lot better state then it used to be a few years ago (I have screwed up stories about that), it's still not enough.

8. Tram service please. If it come to the point where all parking spaces are filled and the only ones left are towards the back, that's one hell of walk to the park entrance.

Do this Shapiro, and you'll have whatever it was you envisioned.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I think the food at Gadv is fine. Quality is not bad, and you get your money's worth.
I payed I believe $7.50 at Pappa John's for a chicken strips meal.
I got so much food it was unbelievable. I got three chicken strips that were about the size of my face, a ****load of fries, and a medium soda. It was actually quite tasty.

I agree Wiggle's World really has no point. Do little kids even know what the hell Wiggles are?

I agree about Superman and Batman. I mean, so much can be done, and there's nothing. And cutouts of superheros in Superman's que and the Batmobile outside of Batman isn't themeing. It's the easy way out.

From what my co-host and cousin Matt has told me, they have added effects into Skull Mountain and apparently it's cool.

[Alpengeist]

Let's see, 10 million on a coaster rehab in 2008, 10 million on a new woodie in 2009, and on top of that a 20+ million dollar steel coaster in 2010. Wow, you would think they were made of money.;)

...I just don't see it happening. A mid-size family coaster would probably be a more logical option IMO.

[Squid2]

Westcot, the exclusive contract for Dive Machines supposedly expired this year. It might be through 2009, but that is as far as it goes.

Squid2

[The Ghost]

Oh God...I'm gonna be sick:

http://gadv.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_0002.jpg

DAMN YOU SIX FLAGS!!! :down::mad:

[Garfield 06]

^I don't know what you're smoking. That's sexyfine right there!

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[Sno]

^ Agreed.

[SnooSnoo]

The blue is delicious :P

[The Ghost]

^I don't know what you're smoking. That's sexyfine right there!

G-06

Not to me. Just imagine, you're walking through an area where most of the buildings are brown or green, than out of knowhere an out of place blue floorless stands there...it's revolting. I was expecting a repaint and effects added, but I was expecting something like this:

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p1595.jpg

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p11337.jpg

[Sno]

I guess it would make more sense but since when did Six Flags make sense?

[Wild 1]

Oh my... That color clashes with the mine trains color.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I think this and S:ROS in New England are going to be Lex Luthor rides.
I hope not, but it may be.

[~LoveTulie]

That is a hideous color.. wow.

It would look good in a sci-fi area, but a western-y area?

No.

[CedarPointer]

I think this and S:ROS in New England are going to be Lex Luthor rides.
I hope not, but it may be.
stupid, stupid, stupid six flags... why mess with something that's perfectly fine already? X wasn't... SROS and Medusa were.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Like I've said before, it's not really a greatly themed western area, anyway. It doesn't immerse you or anything, so this won't really take away from whatever themeing there is.

Medusa NEEDED this. It was sort of rotting away in the back of the park. Nobody was going to it and it even opened at 12pm this year, 2 hours after the park opens. This will get the buzz back towards that area. Great idea from Six Flags to retheme it. I can't say if the themeing is a great idea yet, though, until I see what it's going to be.

[Sno]

^ Agreed. Although I think X needed it more, Medusa is in need of an upgrade. When I went to the park last year I totally forgot about it until I overheard some people in front of us in Nitro's line that it had broken-down.

[Cedar Point]

That's a very vibrant blue...but it'll soon turn into the purple that MilForce is now. ;)

[Wild 1]

^ Agreed. Although I think X needed it more, Medusa is in need of an upgrade. When I went to the park last year I totally forgot about it until I overheard some people in front of us in Nitro's line that it had broken-down.


I think the Mine Train gets more riders in a day then Medusa does! I really have to go to SFGA just to see if that is true.

[Dragon'sFire34]

I think this and S:ROS in New England are going to be Lex Luthor rides.
I hope not, but it may be.

I would hope they would theme it to be something centered around Doomsday before they even go near the thought of theming it around Lex Luthor. Something with "Doomsday" in the title will say a lot more about the ride, like Ride of Steel or Xtreme, than a coaster titled Lex Luthor: The Ride.

[Sno]

I'd agree with that... Although I don't think "Doomsday" is too good of a theme either...

[moon993]

Still say they should drop all but 6 parks.

SUBSTITUE ST. LOUIS FOR GREAT AMERICA

http://i36.tinypic.com/o06jdf.jpg

It lists 7, but the real wild card is Six Flags New England, and whether or not they deem it necessary to keep.

Fiesta Texas and Over Texas can be considered one. I'm not sure as to which is more popular, so which ever one is more popular and has a better infrastructure stays.



I know it's much easier said than done, but they really need to recognize.

Make Magic Mountain and Great Adventure flagship parks on the coasts. Their locations are in the two most heavily populated areas in the country
Split parks based on region (map)
Restructure the entire company. Have 3 'big cheeses' control the 6 parks, with each getting 2 parks to overlook
Sell off some old ride. Some smaller parks would love to get a cheap coaster and or wooden classic.
STOP WITH MOVIE TIE-INS AND NAMES. Only Disney can really get away with it, due to actually being in the movie industry
Make SFGADV and SFMM more 'resort-y'. Shops, hotels other amenities that would draw people. It's hard to fight Disney, but if they can make it (primarily in New Jersey) the place to go for family fun and good, mature thrills, it could be big. Not saying Disney is a slouch, but up north here, there isn't much, so they have a good chance to take a bit of the 'travel to Florida' crowd if they can provide real family fun, not just teenage and enthusiast fun.
DO NOT even try to compete with Disney.
Try to ignore Cedar Fair for the time being. Re-establish your image amongst the 'hardcore' fanatics first. This requires themeing, renaming, refurbishing first off. Once that is done, then go after them. (Cedar Point in particular isn't very well themed, but they did make better choices on trying to theme and actual ride names).
MOAR SECURITY. Line cutters, especially at Great Adventure ****ing suck.
Fix what goes on at your water parks, especially after dark.... after what I've heard I have no intentions of going to one.
Moar Looney Tunes, less Wiggles and Super heros plz. Looney Tunes is more recognizable.
These are just off the top of my head and what I think they could to do fix basically everything. Some might not make sense, but I believe if done right could be huge.

Feel free to pick them apart if anyone would like.:)
Isn't Vallejo(the location of SFDK) a little bit more souther because I dont remember it being that north

[Westcot]

^ It is, because I recall passing by SFDK on a trip to San Francisco.

[Garfield 06]

^SFDK is actually in a really good place, about half way between San Fransisco and Sacramento (it's only 35 minutes from Sac.)

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[Wild 1]

I think that we should change the name of this thread to the General Six Flags thread. Then we would not have 7 different threads about different Six flags stuff.

[Dragon'sFire34]

I'd agree with that... Although I don't think "Doomsday" is too good of a theme either...

I agree with that, but its certainly a much better theme than some other themes. Lex Luther to me didnt seem that great of a threat to Superman although he was one of the longest running Superman villains. To me it makes more sense if your going to theme a ride around a Superman villain, theme it to someone who was a greater threat to Superman, like Android or Doomsday, or even have Krypton somewhere in the name.

[Sno]

^ Yeah, I see your point. I just don't get why almost everything SF has built recently can't just have some generic theme like Millenium Force. I'd prefer that over Terminator or Superman to be honest.

[Sno]

My friend was at the park today and said that Terminator has begun V construction! I believe there are pictures over at TPR.

Looks like they're on schedule.

EDIT: Oops. Didn't see that my older post was above this one. Delete this post if necessary.

[9wid]

I really think Six Flags should develop an advertising department that creates characters for which the park is original in. SFMM used to do it with their troll mascots in the 1970s, now, like all other Six Flags parks, depend too much on outside media for themeing. It would great to see Six Flags continue on after Mr. Six as fun and unique in their commercials and themeing.

[Squid2]

From what we're been told, Mr. Six will be making a return to the theme parks this year, and a return to the advertising. He beats the heck out of "More flags, more fun."

Squid2

[The Ghost]

^ Oh God, I hate that commercial with a passion...

"Mo Frags, Mo Fun, Sis Frags...Buy ong ticket, get free eggroll"

...I'll go cry in fetal position now.

[Dragon'sFire34]

I miss Mr. Six. He was an odd but funny old man.

At least Terminator is going up. And very quickly too :D. Now to ponder about what the 2010 coaster will be...

[Sno]

^ Agreed.

So much has gone on in the last two weeks. They've gotten that big turn towards the end of the ride up and are working on the other side of the coaster by Deja-Vu.

[Wild 1]

SFA said that something big is coming to the park this year. I think it might be a show but.... I can always hope that it could be Ultra Twister. Pictures on the Premire Website show before and after pictures of the cars and on the before pics the rust spots match up to the rust spots on the Ultra Twister cars. I can always dream... Or a flat from SFNO/HRP. They would not take that long to set up.

[Dragon'sFire34]

^ Well they are seeking permission to build 2 new water slides. And what if they are the ones supposed to get the Terminator clone next year if its successfuly here at SFMM?

[Gluesniffa]

Its official. Mr. Six is back. He's even on the Six Flags home page. :up:

[zackness5]

Its official. Mr. Six is back. He's even on the Six Flags home page. :up:
oh ya! cant wait for the next commercial!:up:

[Alpengeist]

^ Well they are seeking permission to build 2 new water slides. And what if they are the ones supposed to get the Terminator clone next year if its successfuly here at SFMM?

They already have a GCI, so I'm not counting on a Terminator clone for SFA anytime soon.;)

[CedarPointer]

Its official. Mr. Six is back. He's even on the Six Flags home page. :up:
Very good move. Mr. Six was much more memorable than the "racist" More Flags More Fun commercials.

[Wild 1]

^^ If anything it would be a used coaster. Most likely from SFNO, as long as they flip zonga forwards it could be good. Also to counter those claims that it will become GL. From Capitilze from TPR.

I think things will be looking up at the park. New management and a slimmer job market (more applicants to draw from) will definitely help out a lot.

I only visited GL once (the season it closed), and it was dead. No lines for anything all day, no crowds, no one buying anything. Apparently this was by and large the case on most days. SFA normally attracts good sized crowds and groups all season and has good in park spending in comparison. So I don't think the comparison to GL is exactly fair or correct. There are a lot of issues (including CP being only an hour down the road) to consider.

This is right, as long as the park is making money, it will be kept. And it has been! I just think that Shaprio is babying his big parks and ignoring the others.

[pigit]

Very good move. Mr. Six was much more memorable than the "racist" More Flags More Fun commercials.
I agree, but since I have OCD and have to correct everyone, the commercials weren't really racist. Most of the world doesn't even understand the difference between racism and stereotyping. Racism is the belief that one race is better than the other. Stereotyping is classing one race the same, like the random mo flags mo fun guy OR that all Arabs are terrorists, which is not true. The commercial isn't saying that one race is better, therefore it ISN'T racist, its just stupid.

Anyway, back on topic, Monster Mansion at SFOG is getting refurbished. I think it's exciting since this was a very memorable ride when i was a kid and is a standout ride at the park because it has in my opinion is the most themed ride that is in the park.

[Sno]

I'm sure most of you have already heard of the article posted on yahoo... If you haven't, here it is (from screamscape)... The bolded quote under is from the yahoo article:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-Companies-That-Might-Not-usnews-14279875.html

An article posted on Yahoo (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-Companies-That-Might-Not-usnews-14279875.html) takes a good hard look at the current financial conditions, the downfall of big chains Circuit City and Linens ‘n Things, and makes some predictions about which companies are being carefully watched to see if they might be the next to fall. One of those listed is Six Flags which one group has predicted may report negative cash flow in 2009 which could put them into a final tail-spin if they are unable to pay down some big debts due between late 2009 and 2010.



Six Flags. (SIX; about 30,000 employees; stock down 84%). This theme-park operator has been losing money for several years, and selling off properties to try to pay down debt and get back into the black. But the ride may end prematurely. Moody's expects cash flow to be negative in 2009, and if consumers aren't spending during the peak summer season, that could imperil the company's ability to pay debts coming due later this year and in 2010.



Although it's not necessarily shocking news, I still really hope they don't go under... What do you guys think? Will it happen or will they dodge the bullet?

Interestingly, some other companies that were on the list include: Sbarro, Krispy Kreme, and Blockbuster. I have to admit I'm surprised about Blockbuster... And I really like Sbarro... Krispy Kreme can go away for all I care. :)

[Harpo]

I don't know that it'll lead to liquidation, but I think it is very likely that Six Flags will declare bankruptcy. They don't have the cash available to make their upcoming debt payments.

It shouldn't be a surprise. The big payments due in 2009 and 2010 have been known for quite a few years. The question I had about them several years ago was if they'd be able to refinance those debts in 2009 and 2010. With the economy as it was at the time, I figured it would be tough but possible. With the economy as it is right now, I think it might be exceptionally difficult to refinance that debt. If they can't raise the cash or work out some form of deal with the lenders, then they'll have no choice but to declare bankruptcy.

Will it mean shutting down permanently? It's possible, but it may also possible for them to do a Chapter 13 reorganization.

[Sno]

Yeah, I agree with you. I did my part by buying an Xtreme Pass at MM... Can only hope for the best. I just don't want to lose SFMM and SFGA.

[Squid2]

I've done my part, at least... not only do I have a pass, I now work for SFoG. Whether they will declare bankruptcy is anyone's guess. The interesting thing is that local parks tend to do better in recessions and depressions than larger parks, for more people stay home. We'll see what happens.

Squid2

[Harpo]

In recessions, that's true. In the Great Depression, however, many parks failed to survive, and quite a few of the older parks barely made it. Cedar Point survived only because of the Big Band concerts at the Coliseum Ballroom. The neglect from the depression era, however, still hurt the park into the 60's, when it nearly closed to be turned into a housing project.

[Dragon'sFire34]

Well Shapiro seems very confident that Six Flags will survive, since he plans on SFMM expanding in 2010 with the new coaster and Wiggles World, along with other expansions in other Six Flags parks, on top of building parks in Qatar and Korea.

The question now is whether he has come to little to late to save Six Flags. Hopefully Shapiro came just in time.

Blockbuster also came as a surprise to me too. But Netflix has become amazingly popular in the few years of its existance.

[randomperpie]

Blockbuster...wow...
Well, IF they do survive 2009, something tells me they'd drop atleast 2 parks.
My bets: Six Flags Mexico (not sure how big it really is..) and Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (for obvious reasons)

[Plokoon111]

I hope Sixflags closes, they have been nothing but trouble building bigger and taller, that seems to be there equation to business. All they also do is build coasters and name them after hit movies, and then makes clones of that coaster and send them everywhere else. Stupid plan and will always been stupid.

[Wild 1]

I would say the park SF would close/sell would be SFKK. The reason I am not putting SFA in there is it looks like Six Flags wants to do something with the park because they put one of there best GM's in the park. I say give it 2 years.

[canobiecrazy]

Plus SFA is getting a Togo Ultra Twister this year.

[Wild 1]

No that is a rumor. There has been no annoncement yet.

[Harpo]

Well Shapiro seems very confident that Six Flags will survive, since he plans on SFMM expanding in 2010 with the new coaster and Wiggles World, along with other expansions in other Six Flags parks, on top of building parks in Qatar and Korea.


Would you expect Shapiro, the CEO of a publicly traded company, to say, "We're doomed. We're not going to build anything because we're going to be out of business anyway."

He may have some way out of the current mess, or he may not. Regardless, he's not likely to publicly admit it if he thinks the company is likely to have to file for bankruptcy. He won't state such a thing until he has no choice. I would expect him to exhaust all other possibilities before choosing the bankruptcy route, so it makes sense that he wouldn't mention it until the point where it cannot be avoided.

[Dragon'sFire34]

I wouldnt expect him at all to admit that. Especially when he has a chance to turn the company around. If this happens, I hope he might perhaps 'study' what makes CF, Disney and even Universal so successful in the theme park industry, besides the fact that Universal and Disney are almost like gods in the movie industry.

Six Flags becoming a movie productions studio...now there's a thought lol

But one thing I think he should admit publicly is the slight possibility of selling one or two more parks, should bankruptcy be almost inevitable.

[Greatdrift]

I bet the only parks surviving when Six Flags is about to end is Six Flags Great Adventure, six Flags magic Mountain and Six Flags New England <-- Just because of Superman and other various reasons!!!

[superlegostarwa]

"Superman: The Escape" Is Intamin Lol

^lacking Intamin Coasters? it doesn't have any :p

[CedarPointer]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aCLwH8mwulO4&refer=us
Uh oh...

[pigit]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aCLwH8mwulO4&refer=us
Uh oh...
*puts shotgun to head*
NOOOOOO!!!!!
Now my only source of entertainment will be Lake Winnie :cry:

[CedarPointer]

SFOG is owned by a parthership, so I think it would survive minus the SF name...

[Alpengeist]

^It better. It has the closest hyper coaster, not counting SheiKra of course. ...Not to mention a Batman clone and Mindbender.

[supermarioman]

SFOG would stay.
Not only is it owned by the partnership, but Atlanta's massive population would keep it afloat.

[Krakatoa_Coo]

sooooo.... which parks do you think will last until the end!?

[Garfield 06]

^The big 4: MM, GAdv, GAm, OG.

Though I'm sure someone will buy DK, SL, and NE.

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[9wid]

I'm currently involved in a stock market project where I am using Disney, Cedar Fair, and Six Flags. Let me tell you, for the last two weeks, Six Flags stock has lost more than double its value. It's down to $0.13 at my last count. That's almost nothing!

[ASRNO]

^The big 4: MM, GAdv, GAm, OG.

Though I'm sure someone will buy DK, SL, and NE.

G-06


But they shouldn't keep SFOT, which is the park that started everything? I don't think so. Even from an economic standpoint. That park has pretty good crowds.

OG, OT, and STL were the original three. STL doesn't have the huge draw as the flagships, so I can see it going.

If the company wants to survive, parks will be shut down and the company will have to be restructured.

[Alpengeist]

^Yea, I would add SFOT to that list of 4.

[Sno]

Heh, once again, Shapiro was interviewed and mentions that:

From LA Times:

http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/magic-mountain-highl-4258/ (http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/magic-mountain-highl-4258/)
http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/magic-mountain-highl-4258/



Magic Mountain ‘highly profitable’ despite bankruptcy cloud looming over Six Flags

http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sixf08_v_fc.jpg
I spoke today to Six Flags President and Chief Executive Mark Shapiro about the future of the amusement park company in the wake of a New York Times story that asked the question: Will parents let their children ride a roller coaster owned by a bankrupt company? (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/business/14flags.html?_r=1)
Six Flags remains in discussions with bondholders in an attempt to restructure its enormous debt load and keep the company out of bankruptcy court.
Shapiro said safety remains a top priority for Six Flags, which operates Magic Mountain (http://www.latimes.com/SixFlagsMagicMountain) in Valencia and Discovery Kingdom (http://www.latimes.com/SixFlagsDiscoveryKingdom) in Vallejo in Northern California, along with 10 more amusement parks in the United States and Mexico. Six Flags, which has $200 million on hand, plans to increase hiring and expand maintenance in 2009, Shapiro said.
“The guest won’t see a difference this summer,” Shapiro said.
Despite the perilous economic climate, Shapiro said Six Flags’ focus remains on planning for the amusement park chain’s 50th anniversary in 2011 and continued international expansion.
The Six Flags Dubailand (http://www.screamscape.com/html/dubailand.htm) project, solidly funded and now in the design and development stage, could see its 2012 debut delayed by up to a year, Shapiro said. The Dubai park will include two “world-class coasters” — one wood, one steel — on the order of El Toro (http://rcdb.com/id3183.htm) and Kingda Ka (http://rcdb.com/id2832.htm) in New Jersey’s Great Adventure park, Shapiro said.
The recently announced Qatar project, still in the conceptual stage, will emphasize water rides — taking the daunting desert heat into consideration.
Additionally, Shapiro said Six Flags is in discussions to develop an amusement park-water park-hotel project just outside Johannesburg, South Africa. A similar project in South Korea is “close to fruition,” he said.
Closer to home, Shapiro said Six Flags Magic Mountain is coming off one of it’s best seasons ever.
“Magic Mountain is highly profitable,” Shapiro said. “And we intend to keep it that way.”
Shapiro said Magic Mountain will get a new roller coaster in 2010 and a Wiggles World kiddie land by 2011. The adjacent Hurricane Harbor water park (http://www.latimes.com/WaterParks) will see a new attraction in 2010, he said.


Yay or nay? And I'm actually surprised SFMM is "highly profitable." Wasn't it "highly unprofitable" a few years ago?

I know some people have said that the new coaster for 2010 will be Wiggles World oriented, but now that he claims it will be built one year prior to that, I wonder what it will be. Still hoping for an Intamin Prefab ;) (lol... maybe one day...).

[Garfield 06]

^Maybe, maybe. Although, I see a Spinner in their near future. Lord knows after Terminator they won't exactly want to go the uber-expensive route.

G-06

[Sno]

^ I agree. I hope it's not a Tony Hawk spinner clone... I guess a DK clone would be cool, since SFMM doesn't have a single dark ride...

[Krakatoa_Coo]

^ i think you may be right, in six flags new england last year, they cleared an area where a batman stunt show was. they removed the show and started building dark knight clone from great adventure, unfortunately, they broke the height limit of building of the town without a permit and lost money and a new ride. #### that stupid town.

[Garfield 06]

^Six Flags Mexico is getting that version of the Dark Knight.

G-06

[Sno]

^ Hasn't that one already opened? Or is it opening this year?