What's new in store for.. Cedar Point (Future Ideas)

[carolinadude131]

Okay, this is a forum all about people posting up their ideas, I'm just curious what people think whats going to happen in the future (2010-future) I'm leaning on towards next season though (2010). There's speculation going around people saying a new dive coaster, water ride, roller coaster, thrill ride.. I got pretty much everything so far, but what does everyone think is going to happen? I can't wait :)

I believe: NOTE!!! I have no idea what's going down in Sandusky this winter, but I'm willing to believe that they might get rid of either: Disaster Transport or Wildcat, whichever one has the worst reliability and the most problems, because we all know for a fact that they would never take out a BIG roller coaster and thank God!! But to maybe take out either DT or WC and maybe put in a GCI (Great Coaster International) woodie possibly. What do you guys believe?

[cpkidOH]

Cedar Point WILL recieve a new ride for next season. Kinzel confirmed it. There's a significant amount of land cleared on Milliennium Island, so it's pretty clear that somthing decent sized is going to be put over there. Some people have said a log flume, but a flume dosen't seem like somthing the park would use that space for...and it wouldn't allow a new coaster for another 3+ years, which dosen't seem right considering that they want to continue to hold a strong position in the coaster wars.

My bet is a GCI woodie, a B&M or some sort or somthing with a vertical lift hill.

[SnooSnoo]

The coaster wars are over. Quality over quantity.

[ytivarg]

Don't expect DT or Wildcat to go the way of the bulldozer... they're staying put.

Something is happening on Millennium Island, that's a no-brainer. And, thankfully, it's not a difficult spot to keep an eye on.

[Harpo]

One thing to keep in mind -- DT and Iron Dragon allow 46" tall riders, hence they are good family options. (Most of the coasters are 48", some are 54".) Wildcat is a compact coaster that fits well in its space. For that reason, I don't see those coasters disappearing soon.

It's just plain weird going to Cedar Point without a log flume -- I first rode Mill Race (where Raptor now stands) in 1970. They've also had Shoot The Rapids, which was replaced by White Water Landing, which is now where Maverick stands. As a result, I don't think it'll be long before a new log flume is built.

Six Flags is indicating that they want Magic Mountain to take back the title of most coasters, although the company's financial situation might make that difficult. I suspect Cedar Fair will want to make that even more difficult by adding more coasters to Cedar Point. So, because of the apparent plans for Magic Mountain, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new CP coaster for 2010, followed by a log flume for 2011, or vice versa.

[Alpengeist]

I'm hoping for an Intamin AquaTrax, myself.;)

[Westcot]

My bet is a GCI woodie, a B&M or some sort or somthing with a vertical lift hill.

I know it's just a rumor, but I think Cedar Point tries to stay away from B&M. Something to do with the winds that come off of the lake and the B&M anti-rollbacks failing... :bulb:

A GCI or Intamin woodie would be nice. Some sort of unique Intamin Zacspin would be interesting, as well.

[ytivarg]

I know it's just a rumor, but I think Cedar Point tries to stay away from B&M. Something to do with the winds that come off of the lake and the B&M anti-rollbacks failing... :bulb:

:eek::haha::haha::hitting-self:

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The wind does not effect the anti-rollbacks. Someone sure got that twisted around.

Raptor goes down in certain winds... because the wind can CAUSE a rollback (nothing to do with the anti-rollbacks) if the wind is hitting the train as it's travelling up into the block brake. When the flags on top of Blue Streak's station are pointing at the block brake, you have to send full trains... unless the wind is strong enough that it'd even knock down a full train, then the ride goes down-weather.

Mantis rarely has wind-related issues, since it's pretty much encased in trees.

[carolinadude131]

Very good ideas guys. However..

One thing to keep in mind -- DT and Iron Dragon allow 46" tall riders, hence they are good family options. (Most of the coasters are 48", some are 54".) Wildcat is a compact coaster that fits well in its space. For that reason, I don't see those coasters disappearing soon.

You're absolutely right! I completely forgot all about the height requirements on those two rides and with Wildcat being a very small, compact ride it fits well within the space provided so you're right, I doubt you won't see a ride in that spot for at least a good 5-10 years or so.

I know it's just a rumor, but I think Cedar Point tries to stay away from B&M. Something to do with the winds that come off of the lake and the B&M anti-rollbacks failing... :bulb:

Well, not necessarily dude, I love B&M coasters, but I think Cedar Point is fit for Intamin, I mean just about all of their rides are Intamin-base, except for: Mantis and Raptor, I believe, plus, building the newest ride right near the water on Millennium Island, would maybe help. I mean, that land isn't really being used much at all, except for Halloweekends these days.

It would be nice to see a new woodie instore for Cedar Point, since the last one built was in 1991 with the Mean Streak, but I understand that space is limited, but what is limited on that peninsula?

Great ideas guys, Keep it up!

[Myn-o-mite]

Well as it's been said Dt and Wildcat aren't going anywhere. I went there on Thursday and the lines for those two were packed, Dt's were out of the building. Something is going on MI but don't expect it to be a coaster because they might not have enough room with MF there. Whatever it is I would lean twoards an Intamin because they manufactured the most rides there along with Arrow and arrow sure isn't alive anymore. Whatever it is, knowinng CP it will be the biggest, break a record, or an amazing ride. BTW don't forget about Paddlewheel, it was to travel along somewhere.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I'm hoping for an Intamin AquaTrax, myself.;)
Wait, so Maverick isn't an Aquatrax? We were all so sure it was going to be!

Intamin Mega Lite or GCI woodie for 2010. I, like Harpo, expect some sort of flume attraction (standard more likely than a Pilgrim's Plunge) in the near future.

[Myn-o-mite]

If it is a log flume lets hope it's better than White Water Landing because that plainly was bad.

[carolinadude131]

Well as it's been said Dt and Wildcat aren't going anywhere. I went there on Thursday and the lines for those two were packed, Dt's were out of the building. Something is going on MI but don't expect it to be a coaster because they might not have enough room with MF there. Whatever it is I would lean twoards an Intamin because they manufactured the most rides there along with Arrow and arrow sure isn't alive anymore. Whatever it is, knowinng CP it will be the biggest, break a record, or an amazing ride. BTW don't forget about Paddlewheel, it was to travel along somewhere.

Very true, but however, Cedar Point always finds ways to build newer, better coasters these days, I mean look at Maverick, they didn't have very much room to build it and a year later.. Best ride of 2007, but you're right with the Paddlewheel ride, but that ride basically goes right next to the island, nothing major. But you're right, you never know though..

If it is a log flume lets hope it's better than White Water Landing because that plainly was bad.

Well, the theming wasn't bad though with the caverns, but you're right, I would like to see something.. like 155 feet tall and a 70 degree drop, but we all know that probably won't be able to work, but I mean, what's the deal lately with removing log flumes..? Carowinds just got rid of theirs, but I believe we're getting a B&M hyper :cool:

[ytivarg]

Intamin Mega Lite or GCI woodie for 2010..

Really? Seriously?

Please tell me what business a Mega Lite would have at Cedar Point? What sort of experiences would that bring that aren't already available at CP? None. Between Magnum, Millennium, and Maverick... there's no need for a Mega Lite.

I'll be shocked if it's a wooden.

[Myn-o-mite]

Really? Seriously?

Please tell me what business a Mega Lite would have at Cedar Point? What sort of experiences would that bring that aren't already available at CP? None. Between Magnum, Millennium, and Maverick... there's no need for a Mega Lite.

I'll be shocked if it's a wooden.
It always needs to be bigger, better, or new for CP. I wouldn't think it would be wooden, when I went on Thursday they ran three trains on Mean Streak and every seat was a walk-on and most of the time the front and back were only filled.

[Harpo]

When Western Cruise was moved and changed to Paddle Wheel Excursions, the scuttlebutt was that the ride's years were numbered. the thought was enhanced by how much the Paddle Wheel Excursions queue building looks like a picnic shelter. While I personally would hate to see it go (largely because it holds so many memories from so many years), I don't think it is likely to stand in the way of new development.

As for whether or not Cedar Point would be getting a new wood coaster, I don't really expect it to be wood, but the new wood coasters at Valleyfair and Worlds of Fun seem to be well-received, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of something along those lines being added to CP.

EDIT:

I just remembered something that I meant to mention. I doubt it has any bearing at all on what's coming for next year, but Cedar Point is now advertising at the Detroit Tiger baseball games. They have the "Cedar Point Coaster Race." There are red and blue trains racing against each other. I know what you're thinking -- it must be Gemini. Well, unless some inversions have been added to Gemini since opening weekend this year, it definitely is NOT Gemini. What's used in the "Coaster Race" video is a dueling/racing steel looping coaster. If they were to build it, it looks like a fun ride!

Anyway, like I said, I doubt it is an image relating to what is coming next year, but it gives some food for thought!

[carolinadude131]

Hmm.. These ideas have been coming out with various parks around the Cedar Fair franchise, but we can just only hope its something big, fast, and fun!

[~LoveTulie]

I'll be shocked if it's a wooden.

Same here. Cedar Point seems to just love Steel! :p Although, I wouldn't mind at all if Cedar Point demolished Mean Streak and put a GCI there... although I doubt that'll ever happen. Meanstreak got even worse this year! (or am I the only one?)

To be honest, it's really hard to assume what Cedar Point is going to get. Maverick was first of it's kind (right? sorta...?). I just don't know if when they do get a new coaster, it's going to be an Intamin. They already had TTD, Mavy, Millen, and Wicked... I really wouldn't mind a B&M (haha it would be cool if they made a B&M Flyer over the lake.. :p)

[Rupeeman]

Maybe they`ll start constructing that 500 foot tall glass roof soon?:p

[Harpo]

... complete with the World's Tallest and Fastest Revolving Restaurant at the top of that glass roof. Named the Revolvatorium, it gives a whole new dimension to the classic spin-n-go-puke ride!

[Myn-o-mite]

Same here. Cedar Point seems to just love Steel! :p Although, I wouldn't mind at all if Cedar Point demolished Mean Streak and put a GCI there... although I doubt that'll ever happen. Meanstreak got even worse this year! (or am I the only one?)
When I went on it, it seemed extremly slow, especially around the first turnaround after the drop. I thought we were going to stall.

[~LoveTulie]

When I went on it, it seemed extremly slow, especially around the first turnaround after the drop. I thought we were going to stall.

It's always been like that. Maybe you had more breaks on or something (on the first hill, ever notice those?)

[ytivarg]

Mean Streak is good for one thing: photographs.

[Alpengeist]

^Very true.

[~LoveTulie]

Quick question...

Would tomorrow be a good day to go to Cedar Point? How packed would it be..?

[ytivarg]

I went last night to snap some pictures, and it was surprisingly dead for a Friday night. The parking lot was only out to the watchtower, and it was full of holes. When we got in the gate, the entire carousel/Demon Drop area was PACKED with kids, all school groups, and all were on their way out of the park. We rode a few small things... went with a guy who's NOT big on rides, and I was expecting rough crowds (and only went to take pics), but what we did ride was a walkon, and what we walked past had very reasonable lines. Bottom of stairs for Magnum, 25-30min for Millennium, only the house on Maverick...

Today's kinda gloomy, so I'd expect crowds to remain light through till tomorrow... should be a good day to go.

The Chippery potato chip place on Frontier Trail right before the Millennium Tunnel finally got the Ketchup potato chips in. They are amazing.

[Myn-o-mite]

It's always been like that. Maybe you had more breaks on or something (on the first hill, ever notice those?)
yeah I was in the front car I saw the brakes and I felt them too. I hate trim brakes on the first drop. You can especially feel it on Mantis.

[~LoveTulie]

I went last night to snap some pictures, and it was surprisingly dead for a Friday night. The parking lot was only out to the watchtower, and it was full of holes. When we got in the gate, the entire carousel/Demon Drop area was PACKED with kids, all school groups, and all were on their way out of the park. We rode a few small things... went with a guy who's NOT big on rides, and I was expecting rough crowds (and only went to take pics), but what we did ride was a walkon, and what we walked past had very reasonable lines. Bottom of stairs for Magnum, 25-30min for Millennium, only the house on Maverick...

Today's kinda gloomy, so I'd expect crowds to remain light through till tomorrow... should be a good day to go.

The Chippery potato chip place on Frontier Trail right before the Millennium Tunnel finally got the Ketchup potato chips in. They are amazing.

Good to here! I might be going tomorrow with my friend. Hopefully it's a good day! We're trying to get our last few times in before July and August.

yeah I was in the front car I saw the brakes and I felt them too. I hate trim brakes on the first drop. You can especially feel it on Mantis.

I actually don't think Mantis's are as bad as Meanstreak's. I actually like when the breaks are on on Mantis. You go slower through the loop and immelian(?) :D. When they're off, even though it's faster, it's also a lot rougher.

[Crispylad]

From what I've heard , Intamin has a contract with Cedar point to build 5 coasters . There are 4 intamin at the moment. Hmm...

[ytivarg]

There is no 5 coaster contract. Besides, there are 5 already...

Jr. Gemini is an Intamin.

[Crispylad]

^Like I said , "I've heard" . Not sure if its real . Jr. Gemini is an older intamin isn't it?
Heres were I saw it (http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/park-ride-rumors-27/51875-cedar-point-mystery-land-clearing-4.html) , read the last paragraphs. Like I siad I'm not saying it is real. Just gotta use your brain there...

[Harpo]

Jr. Gemini is a MUCH older Intamin -- built in 1979. It certainly wouldn't be included in any current deals. Avalanche Run (now Disaster Transport) is also an Intamin, built in 1985, and it was a large part of the reason why Cedar Point stopped building Intamin products for 15 years. Avalanche Run did not even come close to living up to the promises that were made.

So, to be clear, the Intamin coasters at Cedar Point are: Jr. Gemini, Disaster Transport (nee Avalanche Run), Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, Top Thrill Dragster, and Maverick, making a total of 6 Intamin coasters. (FYI, Demon Drop is also Intamin.)

Oh, even if there is a deal (which is not entirely unheard of, so it is possible), it is unlikely that it is restricted to Cedar Point. Most likely, it would be for all Cedar Fair parks, hence it could be completed at a different park.

[Myn-o-mite]

White water canyon is also an Intamin, as I said that they have the most rides at CP besides Arrow, which is tied. There probably wouldn't be a contract because there isn't anything special like Busch Gardens had with B&M. Intamin is probably the best though and build "coaster warrior" attracters. With Intamin there is no limit! Atleast with CP 420 feet and you can probably expect higher!

[Harpo]

White water canyon is also an Intamin,

True, White Water Canyon is an Intamin, but it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Cedar Point. It's located a few hours farther south.

Now Thunder Canyon is a different story...

Yes, that's being a bit nit-picky. When I worked at the park, my first season was the first season for Thunder Canyon. For all 4 summers that I worked at the park, people would ask me where to find White Water Canyon. Well, we had White Water Landing (where Maverick now stands), and we had Thunder Canyon. Which one did they want?

You might think that everyone asking for White Water Canyon was thinking of the similar ride at Kings Island. However, that assumption would be wrong. Some people wanted that "river raft thingy," and others wanted "that one where you sit in the log." So, getting the name right did make a difference!

[callmecosmo]

I don't think there were any issues with Avalanche Run. In fact, it was a great ride and better when it was outside than the change to Disaster Transport with cheap effects and poorly maintained interior. CP messed a good family ride up with a cheap version of a Disney ride.

[Harpo]

Actually, there were very big issues with Avalanche Run.

When the concept was presented to Cedar Point, it was promised that the ride would be much wilder and more exciting than Gemini, which, at the time, was Cedar Point's biggest coaster. However, the previous models all had cars that were only 1 rider wide. Cedar Point wanted a higher capacity. Intamin said they could make the cars 2 riders wide, promising that the ride would maintain the same level of excitement.

As the ride was nearing opening day, the wrong cars were sent -- they were only 1 rider wide, and would not work on the track. There was a significant delay to the ride opening while Cedar Point modified the cars to make them 2 riders wide. While these modified cars worked on the track, they were sluggish. Intamin was able to send the new correct cars for the ride's 2nd year. The new cars moved quite a bit better than the modified cars, but the ride still failed to live up to the expectations.

[Myn-o-mite]

True, White Water Canyon is an Intamin, but it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Cedar Point. It's located a few hours farther south.

Now Thunder Canyon is a different story...


Actually, like you were talking about I also mixed up the names, for some odd reason, I was very tired.

[gavt1976]

Actually, there were very big issues with Avalanche Run.

When the concept was presented to Cedar Point, it was promised that the ride would be much wilder and more exciting than Gemini, which, at the time, was Cedar Point's biggest coaster. However, the previous models all had cars that were only 1 rider wide. Cedar Point wanted a higher capacity. Intamin said they could make the cars 2 riders wide, promising that the ride would maintain the same level of excitement.

As the ride was nearing opening day, the wrong cars were sent -- they were only 1 rider wide, and would not work on the track. There was a significant delay to the ride opening while Cedar Point modified the cars to make them 2 riders wide. While these modified cars worked on the track, they were sluggish. Intamin was able to send the new correct cars for the ride's 2nd year. The new cars moved quite a bit better than the modified cars, but the ride still failed to live up to the expectations.

Do you think it would be better in cedar point got rid of that coaster and made a new in it's place to get more people into the park.

[Harpo]

I have mixed feelings about it. While I would like to see a new ride that would make better use of the views of the beachfront area, there's also the factor that Disaster Transport allows 46" tall riders. As a result, growing coaster riders can be introduced to coasters through the mild rides of Disaster Transport and Iron Dragon. (Most of the coasters have a height requirement of 48". Some are 54". Maverick is 52".)

[gavt1976]

I have mixed feelings about it. While I would like to see a new ride that would make better use of the views of the beachfront area, there's also the factor that Disaster Transport allows 46" tall riders. As a result, growing coaster riders can be introduced to coasters through the mild rides of Disaster Transport and Iron Dragon. (Most of the coasters have a height requirement of 48". Some are 54". Maverick is 52".)

Yes i understand what you are saying harpo, but what about if they moved the coaster somewhere else in the park, but put another coaster in it's place and make some great theming for it and with disaster transport just redesign the coaster and used to great theming for it.

[Harpo]

I don't know that there'd be another good spot in the park where Disaster Transport would fit. Even if there was, I doubt it would be viewed as cost-effective to make such a move. Because of its structure, I suspect it would be very expensive to relocate.

As a result, I think it'll continue to occupy that spot until it is finally torn down someday.

[-Bolt-]

I still think a Mack spinner could work in that spot (See: Sierra Sidewinder, but bigger).

Bolt

[callmecosmo]

I did not know all the backstory Harpo. NO that I think back to, i was young when it was still the run and to me it was a great coaster, but to ride Disaster now, it is slow and sluggish. I agree with you, eventually it will be replaced. It is the only spot in the park with great views of the lake and beach and the giant building filled with non working junk blocks the view. Also agree they will not move.
Saw in another thread you worked at CP, when?

[Harpo]

I worked at the park in 1986, 1987, 1988, and 1990. All four of those summers were at The Guessing Game. I really miss working at the park -- those were 4 fun summers.

For 1986 and 1987, I worked at the Frontiertown Guessing Game location. In 1988, I worked at the now-gone Wildcat Guessing Game location. For most of 1990, I worked at the now-gone Oceana Guessing Game location, and spent some of the summer at the now-shifted Troika location. (Troika moved to make way for Dragster. That Guessing Game is now closer to Magnum's entrance.)

As a side note, I've visited Cedar Point every summer starting in 1970, and I've owned stock in Cedar Fair since 1990.

[angryemobeaver]

Well obviously the park is close with Intamin (Jr. Gemini, Demon Drop, Disaster Transport, Millennium Force, Wicked Twister, TTD, Maverick, Snake River Falls, and maybe some other flats. Even though all the past few Intamins have had some problems, I think CP will get another one. I'm hoping a wooden Coaster similar to T-Express.

[~LoveTulie]

Why isn't CP so hot with B&M? Mantis?

[godsmuffinman]

I have no clue. B&M is awesome and Raptor is one of their best rides (in my opinion), but CP and Intamin go together like bread and butter. TTD, Maverick, Millenium, etc. They are all fantastic! I find it curious that they have so few B&Ms and so many Intamins, but I'm not really complaining. If I could pick, I'd order me up a nice juicy GCI similar to Evel Knievel, but bigger, faster, longer, and better. =D

[ytivarg]

Mantis' lack of a roof/garage over the storage tracks left a bad taste in B&M's mouth. It's the only B&M without some sort of shelter over the storage tracks... something that B&M requires.

[callmecosmo]

I worked at the park in 1986, 1987, 1988, and 1990. All four of those summers were at The Guessing Game. I really miss working at the park -- those were 4 fun summers.

For 1986 and 1987, I worked at the Frontiertown Guessing Game location. In 1988, I worked at the now-gone Wildcat Guessing Game location. For most of 1990, I worked at the now-gone Oceana Guessing Game location, and spent some of the summer at the now-shifted Troika location. (Troika moved to make way for Dragster. That Guessing Game is now closer to Magnum's entrance.)

As a side note, I've visited Cedar Point every summer starting in 1970, and I've owned stock in Cedar Fair since 1990.

Interesting, probably walked past you a few hundred times, I remember all of those locations. I spent the summer and fall of 1996 working in Bernstein Bear Land as Papa Bear. Hotter than H*LL :cool: but a lot of fun and great place to work. Last summer was the first summer I missed going to the park since 1988.

[Harpo]

Snake River Falls

Actually, Snake River Falls is Arrow, not Intamin.

Interesting, probably walked past you a few hundred times, I remember all of those locations.

Well, if you heard groaningly-bad jokes told at a rather loud volume, that was probably me! "When Mr. Cedar founded this park, he said, 'I want people to have fun.' That was Mr. Cedar's point." (I told you they were groaningly-bad!)

I spent the summer and fall of 1996 working in Bernstein Bear Land as Papa Bear. Hotter than H*LL :cool: but a lot of fun and great place to work. Last summer was the first summer I missed going to the park since 1988.

I think it was 1988 that I knew Mama Bear. His name was Jeff Fortune. Prior to that, he worked Break-A-Plate, which is how I knew him.

Why isn't CP so hot with B&M? Mantis?

The story I got from some friends in management is that the B&M installations tend to have some significant issues with the lake-effect weather. B&M has indicated that the issues appear to be unique to the Cedar Point installations, leading them to believe it is because of lake-effect winds. If that's the case, then it makes sense that Cedar Fair would be willing to build B&M coasters in other locations, but would avoid them at Cedar Point. Since that's what they seem to be doing, it does lend credence to what my management friends told me.

[angryemobeaver]

Actually, Snake River Falls is Arrow, not Intamin.


Woops, mixed up Snake River Falls and Thunder Canyon. I meant to say Thunder Canyon, but I always get the names Mixed up for some reason.

[~LoveTulie]

Kind of off-topic, but if anyone has been to CP lately, did you notice Skyhawk is longer? It seemed longer to me yesterday... kind of like there are two extra swings, but they aren't the highest ones... :bulb:

[ytivarg]

It went back to the program it was running when it first opened. And there are 2 more full swings, for a total of 4 full-height swings, instead of 2.

It's actually worth riding now! ;) I always liked Skyhawk, but hated how soon it ended.

[gavt1976]

Somebody did tell me that skyhawk was going to moved to the entrance of the park near demon drop but i don't know if it was true.

[SnooSnoo]

^lol.

[ytivarg]

uhh.. no.

They generally have a 5-year plan going as far as ride construction goes. There's no logical reason they'd build Skyhawk, then completely relocate it a few years later. Not to mention, the location it's in is pretty much shoe-horned in there (with a new electrical/air room built for it too) and there wouldn't be anything gained in that spot from moving it.

Skyhawk is staying where it's put.

[~LoveTulie]

Ah, so it's true! I thought it was just me at first. Glad to hear they made it longer! Although I still think they need a crew that can actually load people on that thing faster. It always takes them forever to get everyone in...