Intimidator 305 at KD for 2010

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A few days ago some yellow supports were unloaded at KD, and then a few later red track of a new style was unloaded!

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/201004_192.jpg
The track has a double spine and cone supports, it looks strong indeed.


For those who think it's not intamin, here's a chart for you.
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/ferrari-world-11-big_100_159.jpg
This is track at the new Ferrari park. You can see its strength here.
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/kdcoaster_113.jpg
Here you can see its support style compared with iSpeed at mirabilandia. It looks intamin.

Here you can see supports. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOhLKCxFWE)


If this is an Intamin coaster above 250 feet I will coasternerdgasm.

[-Bolt-]

A bit of a repost, but atleast people can stop filling the Carowinds thread!

Looks amazing!

Bolt

[Myn-o-mite]

Well don't those two topics go together. It is a rumor that some of these supports and tracks are connected in a way?!

[KingVeveraine]

Eww, the track is hideous. Give me bi-tri-quad anyday!

[fathorse]

iSpeed is possibly the dumbest coaster name ever.

[bigb7965]

The track is not at KD anymore, it was loaded back into a truck and taken somewhere else. Possibly Carowinds...

[CedarPointer]

iSpeed is possibly the dumbest coaster name ever.
Hey, apparently i-anything is a good name. iPod, iPhone, iBook, iHateMyLife, etc!

The track is not at KD anymore, it was loaded back into a truck and taken somewhere else. Possibly Carowinds...
It's in a backstage area of KD. You ACTUALLY think that the park would accept a delivery to the wrong place?!

[Harpo]

It's the new Ultra Super Coaster. It has two loading stations -- one at Kings Dominion (note, no apostrophe s), and one at Carowinds. That way, people can enjoy two parks, just one coaster ride away! :D

Of course, anyone who believes that statement desperately needs to consult their physician in order to get their medication adjusted!

[Rupeeman]

It's the new Ultra Super Coaster. It has two loading stations -- one at Kings Dominion (note, no apostrophe s), and one at Carowinds. That way, people can enjoy two parks, just one coaster ride away! :D
If so,it has to go 800 miles per hour if you want to be in Carowinds in about 20 minutes.:D

[Harpo]

Actually, it'll go about 700 miles per hour -- just a bit below the speed of sound. (Neighbors were complaining about the sonic booms every time the coaster launched, so they had to slow it down a bit!)

[Myn-o-mite]

That would be amazing, like it would ever be built. I heard all the dummys that were testing came into the station as a pile dust! Sign me up to ride!

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

It's the Aliens from the UFO that was spotted over the park on Sunday that dropped the track off! It's not Intamin, or B&M, or Premier, it's alien track! Ahhhhh!

[Brawlstar032196]

The track is not at KD anymore, it was loaded back into a truck and taken somewhere else. Possibly Carowinds...

No... the SUPPORTS were loaded back into a truck and shipped down I-95.

[CedarPointer]

Did you follow them there? Where are they at Carowinds? Since you seem so sure, I assume you have pictures.

[. Style .]

First, I would assume that was some new Mauer Söhne track, but comparing to the other pictures, it looks like Intamin; and I'm not impressed with the track style.

[Brawlstar032196]

^^ Everybody knows that... god you people here are such smartasses.

[godsmuffinman]

It's the Aliens from the UFO that was spotted over the park on Sunday that dropped the track off! It's not Intamin, or B&M, or Premier, it's alien track! Ahhhhh!

Why does an alien roller coaster appeal so to me so much? I really want to ride it now! :D

[ytivarg]

^^ Everybody knows that... god you people here are such smartasses.


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/a5c94d80bc8990bfc077b03499654a85.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4097)

If you don't like it... There's the door...

[Rupeeman]

That would be amazing, like it would ever be built. I heard all the dummys that were testing came into the station as a pile dust! Sign me up to ride!
I also heard there will be a 35 hour queue time due to one train operation.;)

[SnooSnoo]

3 loops might have made an arrival.

[-Bolt-]

^Win.

And, yeah Brawlstar, we would adore some proof...

BOLT

[iDelphi]

iHateMyLife, etc!



ROFL.

[SnooSnoo]

^^ Everybody knows that... god you people here are such smartasses.

And that was before I even joined the thread!

Yes.. my young padiwons.. you are learning well. :heart:

[Alpengeist]

If this is an Intamin coaster above 250 feet I will coasternerdgasm.

How does an Intamin Giga coaster sound?;)

[SnooSnoo]

How does an Intamin Giga coaster sound?;)

It sounds doubtful. :rolleyes:

[-Bolt-]

If this is an Intamin coaster above 250 feet I will coasternerdgasm.
I know, I know! How could they even THINK of unseating Arrow Dynamics!

[bigb7965]

It IS a Giga Coaster!!!

One of the crates with pieces in it has a tag. and, in little print in the lower left corner of the tag it says "giga coaster"

picture
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Fd-zt93-dV4/SkAo33Fs-FI/AAAAAAAABtU/Bp3Ct3c4Jk4/s1600-h/giga_____428.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Fd-zt93-dV4/SkAo33Fs-FI/AAAAAAAABtU/Bp3Ct3c4Jk4/s1600-h/giga_____428.jpg

heres the post on npn
http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2009/06/holy-moley-its-giga.html

[Crispylad]

Here Is some more pictures. I honestly didn't think CF was gonna get another Intamin for awhile...

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=570

[jackalope11]

i think it may be official...
http://www.rcdb.com/id4520.htm
idk
i live in socal
so im not gonna be hittin virginia anytime soon.

[Myn-o-mite]

It IS a Giga Coaster!!!

One of the crates with pieces in it has a tag. and, in little print in the lower left corner of the tag it says "giga coaster"

picture
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Fd-zt93-dV4/SkAo33Fs-FI/AAAAAAAABtU/Bp3Ct3c4Jk4/s1600-h/giga_____428.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Fd-zt93-dV4/SkAo33Fs-FI/AAAAAAAABtU/Bp3Ct3c4Jk4/s1600-h/giga_____428.jpg

heres the post on npn
http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2009/06/holy-moley-its-giga.html
I really don't think they would get a coaster over 300ft, expecially since MF is the only giga coaster Intamin has made. Maybe the package was of car parts since how the giga coaster and the mega coaster basically have the same train styles.

[SnooSnoo]

^Well then we would see the 'Giga' coaster at more then just one Intamin construction site over the last few years.

This is the first sighting since 1999.

Honestly, I never thought they would do it, but.. we might have a Giga.

[godsmuffinman]

Wow! This is all really exciting and I don't even live close to Virginia!

[bigb7965]

Maybe the package was of car parts since how the giga coaster and the mega coaster basically have the same train styles.


Its a package of washers. And cars come to the park completley assembled....

[Myn-o-mite]

I seriously don't think they will have a giga coaster because of space. Considering the size of the ift hill, if they new coaster in not as steep then we are looking at a very wide coaster. I don't think this is one yet.

[SnooSnoo]

They said the same thing about MF.

[Alpengeist]

It sounds doubtful. :rolleyes:

You should know me better by now.;)



I seriously don't think they will have a giga coaster because of space. Considering the size of the ift hill, if they new coaster in not as steep then we are looking at a very wide coaster. I don't think this is one yet.
You can get to 300 feet a lot quicker when the lift hill is at 45 degrees. Just a thought.

[Myn-o-mite]

You can get to 300 feet a lot quicker when the lift hill is at 45 degrees. Just a thought.
excatly what I meant, if the lift hill is less than 45 degrees than it will take up even more space.

[SnooSnoo]

You should know me better by now.;)

Hey, I've been conditioned to ignore most rumors created by fanboys/enthusiasts until I see proof.

We now have proof.

And I did say 'doubtful' not 'impossible.' :)

[Myn-o-mite]

You know what I don't get if it is a giga whats up with the new track style. Why not the old box supports, I liked those. Will it have loops or something, for me it just dosen't add up.

[Westcot]

You know what I don't get if it is a giga whats up with the new track style. Why not the old box supports, I liked those. Will it have loops or something, for me it just dosen't add up.

A giga is a giga regardless the track style. "Giga" refers to how high the coaster goes (at and over 300 feet, I believe). Because of the height and speed, I think that inversions are out. :)

EDIT: (here's a small section about giga coasters from Wikipedia)

A gigacoaster is a complete-circuit roller coaster with a height of between 300 feet (91 m)and 399 feet (122 m). The term was coined in 2000 by Cedar Point in conjunction with ridemaker Intamin AG of Switzerland, as a marketing description for their coaster Millennium Force, the first roller coaster to break the 300-foot (90 m) threshold. The term is used as a production designation on the Intamin website. The only other gigacoaster in existence, Steel Dragon 2000, also opened in 2000 and holds the record for world's longest roller coaster.

[SnooSnoo]

You know what I don't get if it is a giga whats up with the new track style. Why not the old box supports, I liked those. Will it have loops or something, for me it just dosen't add up.

Companies develop their style over time.

This type of track is cheaper to make and also stronger (compare sections supported by Quad and then the new F1 coaster at Ferrari).

Cheaper = new track design. Same goes for the new supporting type.

Simple as.

[Gluesniffa]

^ Which although it looks ugly, if it means they can sell it for less, so more parks add Intamins, I think the ugliness is well worth it. :up:


And I'm pumped for another Giga! I honestly thought the world was bent on Stratas now, but Finally! Yes! Now lets build one on the east coast.....

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I read somewhere that KD has more space than you think. I heard it extends past Rebel Yell to a highway with some on the side at the coaster's current footer site.

Also,
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/bmitch060/2010constructionkd/62509009resized.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/bmitch060/2010constructionkd/62509011resized.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/bmitch060/2010constructionkd/62509001resized.jpg

Catch car track confirmed.

*geekgasms*

[SnooSnoo]

Yum.

Going to KD. Definitely.

[ytivarg]

I like my blue giga.

I'll happily try a red one without going to Japan. ;)

[SnooSnoo]

I'll take a Giga that is actually any good. ;)

KD.. PLEASE DELIVER!

[ytivarg]

You really gotta leave my girl alone. ;)

I'm excited... but it's CF... let's see how long they drag out the announcement.

[6000000flags]

I'm excited... but it's CF... let's see how long they drag out the announcement.
IIRC diamondback footers were poured in spring 08 and the announcement was in that August.
I see an announcement that time. Possibly later if they use a teaser campaign in the park as well.

Also, http://twitter.com/KingsDominionVA

Some notable recent tweets are
Rebel Yell is racing and the Volcano is HOT! No UFO sightings today though... maybe tomorrow, i'll keep you updated.
NBC12's Andrew Freiden was at the park this morning. Check out his story in HD Tuesday at 5pm. it will leave you begging for more!
@HCLcoasters We have pieces of a puzzle in the parking lot! keep a keen eye out and about in the park for hints!

Seeing that the coaster, if i'm right, is by Flight of Fear, it could be smoke ring or UFO related.

[CedarPointer]

CF is certainly giving the parks more attention than Paramount ever did. I doubt we woud have seen a B&M at CW and KI, and a giga at KD under Paramount...

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CF is certainly giving the parks more attention than Paramount ever did. I doubt we woud have seen a B&M at CW and KI, and a giga at KD under Paramount...

There is also a rumor that Busch Gardens buys exclusivity with B&M: no coasters of the same type within a perimeter of the park that has that ride. Though having a batman at SFA would make no difference to Alpengeist's attendance after a decade it still goes on. Crazy stuff, but this is why KD has no beemers.

[CedarPointer]

And that rumor is incorrect, it only pertains to dive machines.

[SnooSnoo]

^And that rumor is already over.. ;)

CF is certainly giving the parks more attention than Paramount ever did. I doubt we woud have seen a B&M at CW and KI, and a giga at KD under Paramount...

Just because CF is building coasters does not mean Paramount was crappy. They simply didn't know how to make star coasters. The way they kept up with their parks, in almost every other way, blows CF out of the water.

[Harpo]

I cannot say that I agree.

Prior to the acquisition, I found Paramount's staff to generally be inefficient and surly, based on visits to all of the Paramount parks during the years prior to the acquisition (including frequent visits to Kings Island and Canada's Wonderland).

I feel Kings Island's staff has improved DRASTICALLY under Cedar Fair, being much more efficient and much friendlier. Canada's Wonderland staff still needs improvement. I haven't had a chance to get to the other former Paramount parks since Cedar Fair purchased them, although I'm hoping I'll be able to get to Great America in August.

One area where Paramount improved over Kings Island's previous ownership -- the staff pre-Paramount was not only inefficient and rude, but they also were inattentive and the parks were filthy. I distinctly remember one incident where someone upchucked on the platform of the antique car ride. I didn't see the person upchuck, but it looked like it had been there for a bit. By the time I got off the ride, it was still there, and was still being ignored. I know it had been there, in plain view of the staff, for at least 20 minutes. Yuck.

So, Paramount fixed most of the inattentiveness and cleanliness issues, but didn't fix the efficiency and friendliness issues, which is where I believe Cedar Fair is now making a positive difference.

[CedarPointer]

The only problem that runs rampant at KI at the moment is line jumping. They simply don't do anything about it. I guess, since KI doesn't have the possibility of a Kinzel sighting at any moment...

[ytivarg]

What does Kinzel have to do with line jumping? You think Joe Parkgoer knows who Kinzel is?

Nope. They'd line jump right in front of him and not even know it.

[CedarPointer]

I have a feeling if he knew about the line jumping problem at KI, he would make sure something was done about it.

[Myn-o-mite]

I HATE line jumping, it annoys me so much.

[liamrocks]

Someone line jumped me at Canada's wonderland. I was about to go on top gun. It had a 3 hour line, and I had waited for around 2 and a half. People hopped in in front of me and my friend, and told some staff we had jumped them. The people behind us vouched for them. We were kicked out of line, and we didnt do anything. Then top gun broke down.

[CedarPointer]

You waited 2.5 hours for a Vekoma SLC?

[TPM INC]

Some, like me, ride anything no matter how painful.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

CF is certainly giving the parks more attention than Paramount ever did. I doubt we woud have seen a B&M at CW and KI, and a giga at KD under Paramount...
This is true. When I interviewed Don Helbig, KI PR Manager, he said Diamondback was totally a Cedar Fair project and that had the parks not been bought by them, no hyper. It was not a long term plan. CF came in and said, here's what you're getting.

[liamrocks]

You waited 2.5 hours for a Vekoma SLC?
Its Canada's wonderland. What else am I gonna ride, Time warp or the bat?

[CedarPointer]

Or Thunder Run!
And, there is a rather nice behemoth of a coaster at CWo.

[grrt]

Yes! Finally! I went to Kings Dominion last year, and when I got home I went, "Man, that park is perfect for a big hyper/giga coaster." I even mapped out where I thought it could go. This is finally the year that KD graduates!

[benboid12]

http://www.kdfansite.com/gallery/index.php?cat=10http://www.kdfansite.com/gallery/index.php?cat=10

lots of construction pics^

[gavt1976]

Here is the new contruction video off the coaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HM9m7n7aEc&feature=channel_page

[Primestar]

iSpeed is possibly the dumbest coaster name ever.
lol yea. how about, instead of iSpeed, how about iGetTickets?

[Brawlstar032196]

I dont get it.


Edit: Oh..... ha.... :sour:

[ytivarg]

lol yea. how about, instead of iSpeed, how about iGetTickets?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/McCoy_ISWYDT.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4113)

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Release got leaked!
http://www.catchfence.com/2009/sprintcup/08/20/kings-dominion-to-introduce-25-million-steel-giga-coaster-in-2010/
Intimidator 305
305 feet
85 degree drop at 300 feet
Airtime hills!

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Of course they make it 5 feet shorter than their little prized pooch, Millenium Force.

This ride is going to kick ass. I think I'm heading to Virginia in 2010.

[Myn-o-mite]

MF clone?

[zackness5]

ride looks pretty good, lots of high G menuvers, and the supporting on the lift hill and the train looks awesome. only problem is the lack of airtime. but really have over the shoulder harnesesses? (and i hope they they theme it well)

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

http://www.coastineastpodcast.com/Pictures/i305.jpg

http://www.coastineastpodcast.com/Pictures/i3052.jpg

http://intimidator305.com/_upload/photo_gallery/renderings/KD12.jpg

http://intimidator305.com/_upload/photo_gallery/renderings/KD07.jpg

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Looks awesome! I'm heading to VA next year! Perfect timing!

[ytivarg]

What an extremely boring layout!

I gotta be honest.. I'm really disappointed. The name sucks, the layout looks like it's going to suck... it's all just really 'meh' for me.

The only thing that's really interesting are those lift supports.... of which there are two. :bulb:

[bigb7965]

This is all they could do with 305 ft? I agree the layout looks very boring.

And whats up with the OTSRs?

[Crispylad]

I'm with both of ya' on that one. Two air time hills and a bunch of speed turns. Exciting... I guess people that love speed will love this ride...

[SnooSnoo]

Fastest Speed: Excess of 90 MPH
Ride Time: 3 minutes
Hourly Capacity:: 1,350 riders
Number of Trains: Two
Vehicles: Four passenger open design trains with overhead lap bars but no over-the-shoulder harnesses

Hmm.. anyone notice that last part?


Overhead lapbars = Pilgrims Plunge
OTSR = Kingda Ka

http://www.womansday.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/6-pilgrims-plunge/669399-1-eng-US/6-Pilgrims-Plunge.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/themeparks/1/0/S/y/HWPP1.jpg

MAJOR difference.. if that is indeed the case. From experience, the lapbars on PP were quite comfy and gave a great ride.

[ytivarg]

Why go 300+ feet in the air if you're never going to go back up in the air? The same thing could have been done as a launch, Rita style.

[bigb7965]

I'm with both of ya' on that one. Two air time hills and a bunch of speed turns. Exciting... I guess people that love speed will love this ride...

supposedly it will have more airtime

http://www.intimidator305.com/public/images/misc/misc_TrackLayout.gifhttp://www.intimidator305.com/public/images/misc/misc_RideDetails.gif

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

It's pretty much a Mega Lite with a much bigger drop.

KD fanboys are *****ing about it.... why I don't know.

[SnooSnoo]

KD fanboys are *****ing about it? What?

[Crispylad]

The thing is about that^^ is there are only two. MF has four , if your counting the last one. With that information , yah , big deal. If you compare MF to 305 , well... Mf's are a lot bigger and the ride is faster. I'm not going to judge this ride , but I still think MF is better.

[Greatdrift]

I wish it had OVERBANKED TURNS!

[BigLouie]

It seems like a pretty flat layout for 305ft. Doesn't look near as good as MF imo.

[-Bolt-]

Well, what we've got here is just a REALLY crap attempt at super-sizing the Mega-Lite. This is truly the disappointment coaster of 2010.

Good thing I don't live near KD anyway! :D

-Bolt-

EDIT: Oh, and why would they theme the ride to a Nascar star...who's dead?

[ytivarg]

Well, what we've got here is just a REALLY crap attempt at super-sizing the Mega-Lite. This is truly the disappointment coaster of 2010.

Good thing I don't live near KD anyway! :D

-Bolt-

EDIT: Oh, and why would they theme the ride to a Nascar star...who's dead?

Evil Kinevil (sp?) coaster?

[RCT3Callum]

Looks lousy. And what's up with that crazy short ride time? It just doesn't seem to get anywhere after it's drop, very flat. A ride that tall should hit airtime at at least 200ft, I'd have thought - but it doesn't look like even "D" is going to be at 200ft, maybe 150..but yeh, that's a pretty lousy looking layout.

[ytivarg]

Well, all of the low to the ground stuff will sustain the speed longer... I'll give it that much.

I dunno. I'm not crazy about it... but I was disappointed when I first saw Millennium's announcement, and I love it now.

[RCT3Callum]

If they take it up, it's going to regain it's speed as it goes back down anyway (like D), so I'd have liked to see it with both low the the ground speed elements and big airtime hills.

[ytivarg]

What is this "D" you keep mentioning?

[RCT3Callum]

That labelled layout thing a few posts above mine. Basically, the hill after the first high speed turn.

[ytivarg]

Ahhh.. okay.

Looks like that hill will only produce some Millennium-esque floater air. The quick direction change hills will probably give the violent Maverick airtime.

[jackalope11]

Yeah, but you never know, maybe the airtime on it is like a ridiculous amount when you reach the hills, like balder?

[ytivarg]

True, I won't know for sure until I ride it.. but I'm making educated guesses rather than just grabbing at wild ideas in the dark.

Look at that hill and tell me it doesn't look just like Millennium's to-and-fro-the-island hills.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4440/81932548bkpinifs.jpg

[Brawlstar032196]

They looks kinda simliar.... but whats your point? I think this ride looks great, I can just imagine the G's pulled as you go through those turns at 90+ mph... and that bunny hop.... yum.

[zackness5]

They looks kinda simliar.... but whats your point? I think this ride looks great, I can just imagine the G's pulled as you go through those turns at 90+ mph... and that bunny hop.... yum.

thats what i think. doesnt look boring at all. that hi - g turn after the first drop looks un-believeable, and all those turns afterwords hit the nail on the head on what they were going after... a nascar expierience. and in nascar, u dont have many high- hills that excede 200. i think this ride looks great (love the lift hill supports:up:) so do the trains, and hopefully the themeing will be on par to.

[Harpo]

MF clone?

Not even close to MF's layout, so clearly not an MF clone.

As for the layout... I tend to like both airtime coasters and twister coasters. While I see three potential decent airtime spots, I think this one will provide more of a twister experience. I think the directional changes at rather high speeds in the "F" and "G" regions should be enjoyable. One of those transitions looks a bit like the s-curve transition on Maverick's second half, which I find to be a very fun transition.

I don't expect it'll be a top-10 coaster, but I think it'll still be fun.

[Greatdrift]

Itd be better with Millennium Force type cars!

[Krakatoa_Coo]

this ride is going to be the worst intamin giga out there!

its records wont beat millenium force or bizarro/S:ROS for teh tickets

[. Style .]

They're really not taking full advantage of the speed the train will reach. It looks pretty boring.

[SnooSnoo]

EDIT: Oh, and why would they theme the ride to a Nascar star...who's dead?

Cuz he was and probably still is the most famous racer in American history?

And.. as grav said.. Evel Kinevel is named after a non-alive man.. and that ride was delicious.

[~LoveTulie]

I agree with Grav.. when I saw the layout, I was like "meh". I dunno, it doesn't look like anything special. There are barley any hills! It's really short too.. but I'm going to guess KD doesn't have much room?

[SnooSnoo]

Another thing I noticed is it has only two trains.. this thing won't be a monster eater like MF is either.

But, it really is nothing like MF.. so.. lol

[grrt]

Eh, it looks okay, don't see the point of that giant drop when all it does is go around turns. This is a wimpy mega-lite with one big drop, which means that theres gonna be too many g's. I can see this going and moved somewhere else in a few years. Doesn't look like it'll stay long.

[~LoveTulie]

Another thing I noticed is it has only two trains.. this thing won't be a monster eater like MF is either.

But, it really is nothing like MF.. so.. lol

Well two trains work, IMO.

1) This park most likely doesn't have CP crowds.
2) It's about a minute shorter than Millen...

Argh, and those horrid McDonald's themed colors! :mad::down:

[sykesie-92]

^^ to be fair though, Mega-Lites are really well rated and the whole thing will pack a punch, but tbh I was expecting something different.
Mega Lites seem to have more airtime hills though.

[SnooSnoo]

Well two trains work, IMO.

1) This park most likely doesn't have CP crowds.
2) It's about a minute shorter than Millen...

Argh, and those horrid McDonald's themed colors! :mad::down:

Well.. it is getting a 305ft rollercoaster.. they might get some new guest this year.. :P

And.. I bet the ride will be about the same length, if not a little bit longer then MF.. and MF has 3 trains running just fine.

[~LoveTulie]

Yeah I was just looking at the specs and it said 3 minutes.. I was like crap. :p I was judging the ride time off that POV. :p

But you're right, it will most definably bring in some new guests!

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Eh, it looks okay, don't see the point of that giant drop when all it does is go around turns. This is a wimpy mega-lite with one big drop, which means that theres gonna be too many g's. I can see this going and moved somewhere else in a few years. Doesn't look like it'll stay long.
That's such an idiotic statement it's unbelievable. It's the biggest capital investment in the history of the park... Why would they remove it after a few seasons?
Well two trains work, IMO.

1) This park most likely doesn't have CP crowds.
2) It's about a minute shorter than Millen...

Argh, and those horrid McDonald's themed colors! :mad::down:
I love the colors.

This ride is gonna be badass! It reminds me of a GCI woodie but with an absolute massive drop, which gets me excited.

Am I the only one who finds the Intamin OTSR actually somewhat comfortable?

You CP humpers need to stop, well...humping for a second.

[zackness5]

Am I the only one who finds the Intamin OTSR actually somewhat comfortable?
no, i like em. lots of room to move my arms and hands. they feel more free then B&M and vekoma OTSR's.

[grrt]

That's such an idiotic statement it's unbelievable. It's the biggest capital investment in the history of the park... Why would they remove it after a few seasons?

Well it depends on how popular it is. It doesn't look like it'll be that exciting after the first drop. I don't mean to say its a stupid investment, I'm just disappointed in it. It looks way too spread out.

[~LoveTulie]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the millions of people that visit that park aren't going to like it. One, it's red (red = bright) and two, it's the tallest and fastest ride to be in the park. Speed and height is what a lot of people like and look for.

I'm pretty sure it's going to stand out than most rides at that park.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

no, i like em. lots of room to move my arms and hands. they feel more free then B&M and vekoma OTSR's.
I dunno about B&M, but yes they're better than Vekoma, lol.

Well it depends on how popular it is. It doesn't look like it'll be that exciting after the first drop. I don't mean to say its a stupid investment, I'm just disappointed in it. It looks way too spread out.
Well, no matter if it fails (I don't think it will, people in Virginia or that part of the country haven't seen anything like this, so they'll love it) or not, the largest capital investment in park history will not be gone in a few seasons. Maybe they'll retheme it sure, but gone? No. And if people don't like it, it will still stay, trust me. $25 mil they won't just sweep it under the door... I apologize for the harsh wording sir, but I strongly disagree.

I agree somewhat. A little bit disappointing, (I expected this mammoth 350 foot, bigger than Millenium coaster) but I think it still looks awesome. It's going to have so much speed all the way through and I love speed. First drop alone looks like it'll be worth the price of admission.

Remember guys, when El Toro was announced, I and a ton of other enthusiasts said, "Well, that looks like crap" and it's a top 5 in the world coaster.

[grrt]

I won't know till I ride it.

[pcwfreak]

I'm disappointed... The layout looks just OK, I wish they did more with that speed, especially since a lot of the general public are going to say it's useless because there aren't any LOOP-DE-LOOPZ.

And the name is just awful.

Whatever, I never really liked KD anyways.

[grrt]

What a way to squeeze all the income you can out of a legend and practically ruin his name.

[SnooSnoo]

^Yeah.. ruin his name because it is on a roller coaster.

Yep.

You CP humpers need to stop, well...humping for a second.

Sure hope you aren't talking about me son. :P

[RCInsider]

I don't think any of you can guess how I feel about this by the look of my User... :D

[colbycx]

looks good, but not very long at all, i guess if it were going to WOF i would be uber excited...

[Brawlstar032196]

Eh, it looks okay, don't see the point of that giant drop when all it does is go around turns. This is a wimpy mega-lite with one big drop, which means that theres gonna be too many g's. I can see this going and moved somewhere else in a few years. Doesn't look like it'll stay long.

NASCAR = Speed, son. Speed = Big Drop.

Quit dissing this thing, you havent even ridden it yet, I mean, I thought El Toro and Nitro would be decent, and wow, was I wrong...

[randomperpie]

^ Then why are El Toro and Nitro amoung the highest ranked coasters in the world?

I am rather dissapointed, as many people are, looks rather dull. MF would kill this thing. To be honest, I was expecting MF but more extreme and a bit more compact.

[Krakatoa_Coo]

NASCAR = Speed, son. Speed = Big Drop.

Quit dissing this thing, you havent even ridden it yet, I mean, I thought El Toro and Nitro would be decent, and wow, was I wrong...


no, it would be much better if it was speed = launch! 1/3 of intimadator is the lift basically, it stinks

[grrt]

NASCAR = Speed, son. Speed = Big Drop.

Quit dissing this thing, you havent even ridden it yet, I mean, I thought El Toro and Nitro would be decent, and wow, was I wrong...

Ohhh, now I get the name and stuff. Yeah I've thought the same over many and ended up loving them.

[RCInsider]

Oh come on guys, we finally get the big news and you are all already complaining? About something that is going to truely be amazing? I mean, when was the last time we had something this big being made? Maybe 4 or 5 years ago!

Plus, in the end, a roller coaster is always better than it looks! (Or vice versa for a few, but still, every coaster is worth a ride, no matter how big, how small, or how crappy)

[colbycx]

He is right. ^

The turn at the beggining does look awesome, and it has to have LOTS of air.

[SnooSnoo]

Lots of air.. where? Like MF? :P

[colbycx]

well, just look, those smaller hills after that bigger hill...

[SnooSnoo]

Yeah.. look at Kingda Ka's small hill after its bigger hill..

;)

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Yeah.. look at Kingda Ka's small hill after its bigger hill..

;)
Whoops....

I still think it looks sexy.

[~LoveTulie]

I don't see a problem with the name.

What to you expect coasters to be named?

[SnooSnoo]

An actual good name?

[Plokoon111]

I guess this is the tallest steel coaster that is not launch able. Its cool looking but the only fun factors of this is the first drop and speed. 80% of the layout is just curves and banked turns.

[SnooSnoo]

^Millennium Force is 310ft and Steel Dragon 2000 is 318ft. :)

[colbycx]

well, true about kingda ka (although i have never ridden it, I have heard) but really, this is a 305 foot drop. that is only five feet shorter than millenium and thet drop is awesome. as long as they don't trim this, it should be good.

[~LoveTulie]

An actual good name?

That's what I'm confused about. :bulb:

Is a good name unique, like Millennium Force?

[-NGS-]

I guess this is the tallest steel coaster that is not launch able. Its cool looking but the only fun factors of this is the first drop and speed. 80% of the layout is just curves and banked turns.
Since Snoo handled the other part of this post, I'll focus on the 2nd half;
the appeal of Giga coasters isn't supposed to be airtime. Quoted from Intamin's website:

The layout is characterized by steep hills and drops, high speed horizontal turns at, or tremendously close to, ground level...
Gigas are about extreme g's, fast, hard turns, and apparently with I305, transitions. Maverick has tremendous transitions, and I think people like it a little bit. ;)

As for me, I'll withhold my comments on how good the ride is until I actually ride it/hear from trustworthy sources.

[Gluesniffa]

I disagree with so much being said here. MF looks like crap, I'm sure its fun but it looks dumb. Its the same thing over and over again. This thing has quick direction changes more airtime hills then MF. Why is MF ALREADY better? Because its five feet taller? Really?

And then of course we have the complaints of it being too Mega Lite ish. Are you kidding? You're complaining about that? You're complaining about getting a bigger, faster, longer version of one of the highest rated and most raved about layouts today? You can't tell me you'd rather have a mega lite over this?

This is an Intamin made coaster. Its a combination of Millenium Force, a Mega Lite, and a little Maverick. All of which are rated highest in the world. How on earth are you guys disappointed already? :bulb:

[ytivarg]

Okay... after letting this thing soak in... here's my post-initial reaction to this thing.

I admit, and think I already did, that when I first saw MF's announcement, I hated it... and now it's my favorite ride. I think I was instantly trying to compare it to MF... rather than taking in what it is for what it is.

It's Cedar Fair.

Big, Fast, Go.

Everyone's getting something crazy from Cedar Fair right now. Diamondback, Carowinds, Cedar Point... and let's not even talk about that right now. This will provide a great speed ride for that park, on a relatively light budget for being a giga. All of the low to the ground, added in with the CRAZY OMG LIFT SUPPORTS = a lot less steel used to create supports = $$ saved.

I'm starting to see the layout as more of a what-if thing... What if Xcelerator had a big crazy run around if it had the room? What about Dragster? It might look something like this. For those of you thinking the ride was designed around the theme... you're crazy. This is Cedar Fair we're talking about.. it's not like theming is their thing. No, rather, I much see a business meeting between your favorite CF and Intamin CEO's with "What can you do that's a giant exclamation point for this much money and this much land?"

The theme was built around making the ride make sense... but, I can't help but think the theme would have worked better as a launch design. But, hydraulic is expensive and problematic... as CF has learned. Cable lift works, much cheaper.. let's go with that.

It might be a fun ride. That lift hill being oh-so-unsupported looking will freak me out. I already know it. I don't like riding in the left seat on Millennium to this day because a superb LACK OF ANYTHING (Well, that, and the two overbanks for the right seat :p )

Some Mavericky bits at a solid speed along with various kinds of air. I still stand that the "D" hill will provide floaty air somewhere along the lines of MF's to-and-fro-the-island hills... and the lower directional change bunny hills will give some great pops of forceful air.

...it's just terribly not what I expected. This was the first place I saw it today, and you guys got my first reaction to it. ;)

[-Bolt-]

The 305, to me, is far from necessary. Intimidator=Good name. Cool, slightly frightening, and rather catchy. Intimidator 305? Tacky. Unnecessary.

The ride itself, well, let's be honest, it really is quite uneventful. I mean, sure, if they tried this layout with the speeds of, say, ring racer, then yeah, I could see how it would be kinda cool. With a coaster not even as tall as MF, thus probably barely hitting 90 mph? You get a lot of banked turns taken at speed, with two airtime hills that will probably only give light, light floater air, which will most likely be diminished by the restraint systems Intamin has in mind. It reminds me of Superman: The Escape: Going REALLY fast sounds fun, but when that speed goes pretty much unused, well, it's like riding in a convertible on the highway. Wheee.

And don't call me a CP fanboi. I dislike the place quite a bit, actually.

-Bolt-

[THRILLLOVER28]

here is a pov of the ride...

http://www.themeparkreview.com/coastertube/play.php?vid=KD_POV_640x360_FlashHigh_hqse

click it if u do not believe me

here is a thread that talks about it

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=796674#796674

so it is offical... they r getting a new ride...

[pcwfreak]

^ LOL.

You're like 3 pages late.

[zackness5]

The 305, to me, is far from necessary. Intimidator=Good name. Cool, slightly frightening, and rather catchy. Intimidator 305? Tacky. Unnecessary.

....which will most likely be diminished by the restraint systems Intamin has in mind.....

-Bolt-
i agree with you completely on the name. but as snoo pointed out, the restraints will be over the head, not OFSR's, which are different.

[Myn-o-mite]

Not even close to MF's layout, so clearly not an MF clone.

As for the layout... I tend to like both airtime coasters and twister coasters. While I see three potential decent airtime spots, I think this one will provide more of a twister experience. I think the directional changes at rather high speeds in the "F" and "G" regions should be enjoyable. One of those transitions looks a bit like the s-curve transition on Maverick's second half, which I find to be a very fun transition.

I don't expect it'll be a top-10 coaster, but I think it'll still be fun.

Thats what I thought it would be before I saw the layout.

when I first saw it I saw it and I was like okay.
Lift hill- Weird
First Turn- I liked it because it reminded me of Efiel Tower Extreme in No limits.

Then I realised the layout sucked. It was terrible had barely any airtime and it was too short.
It would be better as a mega-lite. A 150-200 ft coaster.

DISAPOINTED! That first turn now just kills the coaster. I see the theme it just dont like it it ruins the coaster.

[ytivarg]

the restraints will be over the head, not OFSR's, which are different.

Old Fettucinni Sasquatch Ratchets?

[zackness5]

Old Fettucinni Sasquatch Ratchets?

lol sorry my mistake, but im keeping it cause its funny XD

[-NGS-]

In his defense, the "F" key is pretty close to the "T" key, and his monitor has resolution too small for him to make out the difference between the two letters on-screen.

[zackness5]

In his defense, the "F" key is pretty close to the "T" key, and his monitor has resolution too small for him to make out the difference between the two letters on-screen.

cant a guy just be for the "support the letter 'F' movement" in peace? :weird:

[ytivarg]

Hahah... I know... but I like making acronyms for acronym typos. It's like whenever "RTC" comes up. ;)

[SnooSnoo]

Okay... after letting this thing soak in... here's my post-initial reaction to this thing.

I admit, and think I already did, that when I first saw MF's announcement, I hated it... and now it's my favorite ride. I think I was instantly trying to compare it to MF... rather than taking in what it is for what it is.

It's Cedar Fair.

Big, Fast, Go.

Everyone's getting something crazy from Cedar Fair right now. Diamondback, Carowinds, Cedar Point... and let's not even talk about that right now. This will provide a great speed ride for that park, on a relatively light budget for being a giga. All of the low to the ground, added in with the CRAZY OMG LIFT SUPPORTS = a lot less steel used to create supports = $$ saved.

I'm starting to see the layout as more of a what-if thing... What if Xcelerator had a big crazy run around if it had the room? What about Dragster? It might look something like this. For those of you thinking the ride was designed around the theme... you're crazy. This is Cedar Fair we're talking about.. it's not like theming is their thing. No, rather, I much see a business meeting between your favorite CF and Intamin CEO's with "What can you do that's a giant exclamation point for this much money and this much land?"

The theme was built around making the ride make sense... but, I can't help but think the theme would have worked better as a launch design. But, hydraulic is expensive and problematic... as CF has learned. Cable lift works, much cheaper.. let's go with that.

It might be a fun ride. That lift hill being oh-so-unsupported looking will freak me out. I already know it. I don't like riding in the left seat on Millennium to this day because a superb LACK OF ANYTHING (Well, that, and the two overbanks for the right seat :p )

Some Mavericky bits at a solid speed along with various kinds of air. I still stand that the "D" hill will provide floaty air somewhere along the lines of MF's to-and-fro-the-island hills... and the lower directional change bunny hills will give some great pops of forceful air.

...it's just terribly not what I expected. This was the first place I saw it today, and you guys got my first reaction to it. ;)

Just another reason why I love you. Hold me. :P

[Krakatoa_Coo]

it would be better if they removed the lift and launched it to 90 mph

[SnooSnoo]

No.. it wouldn't.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

it would be better if they removed the lift and launched it to 90 mph
Nope.

[Boston]

This will probably become known as the best roller coaster in the history of mankind.

[Myn-o-mite]

WHY?

[ytivarg]

Just another reason why I love you. Hold me. :P

:sadhug:

I'm just ecstatic someone actually reads my rants. ;)

it would be better if they removed the lift and launched it to 90 mph

Here's someone who obviously didn't.

[Wild 1]

Not bad, not really what I was expecting (I really did not think it was a giga coaster, cause I doubted CF would spend that kind of money on the park and boy was I wrong!) but still, I'll reserve my complaints until after I ride it. Also when the trees grow in, in a few years, those low to the ground parts would provide amazing night rides. This is assuming CF does plant trees around the layout.

[SnooSnoo]

I'm just ecstatic someone actually reads my rants.

You are one of few people who's opinion I genuinely respect. :D

This is assuming CF does plant trees around the layout.
I have no doubt that the area around the ride will get some nice vegetation in the coming years. This isn't Six Flags. :P

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

You are one of few people who's opinion I genuinely respect. :D


I have no doubt that the area around the ride will get some nice vegetation in the coming years. This isn't Six Flags. :P
You don't respect my opinions?

And of course not. If this was Six Flags, they wouldn't put it in a new coaster. They'd paint Anaconda purple, slap in some fire (that they'll turn on every other day) and call it "NEW!".

[SnooSnoo]

You are one of few people who's opinion I genuinely respect.:D

Read, think, then post. :p

[ytivarg]

:heart:

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Read, think, then post. :p
Dammit. I usually post, think then read. ****.

[~LoveTulie]

Well I just read Grav's big opinion, then I watched the video again.

Now I'm going to say it may not be so bad. I don't know, imagining Millennium going around a huge turn rather than going on that overbank would be kinda scary (well not exactly "scary" but the speed you're going around it pretty damn fast)! Cedar Fair usually surprises us.. they're trying out some new designs. We'll just have to see.

Oh, p.s., I thought it was named "Intimidator" no t "Intimidator 305". Now I agree with Snoo, the name sucks. :p

[SnooSnoo]

Well here is my.. same as grav's opinion but shorter.. opinion about Intimidator WTF IS WITH THE 305 at Kings Dominion.

The drop will be E. P. I. C. I know exactly where I am going to ride on my first go.. back row all the way.

The airtime hills will be the same/better then the ones on MF.. being that they are in the same relative position (track wise) but looks to be taken with a smidgen more speed.. especially the first one.

What will make or break this ride will be the 'airtime' twists. They will either anal rape your body or give you a pleasuregasm of airtime. I'd like to say the latter is what we should expect.. but after whoring out Mavvy all these years.. the first part may be what we see.

Restraints.. oOo restraints. I've had my fair share of Intamin OTSR's over the years.. and lets hope that they don't kill the ride. I was hoping/praying that it had T or M bars.. but much to my agony, it did not receive the pleasure that is a non-OTSR thingy.

Overall.. B+.. from the looks. Could it be a Top 10 for me? Everything depends on the airtime.. cuz that is my main sell point. Who knows. I'll be riding it in Late June of next summer.. so yay!

[Krakatoa_Coo]

so you guys are saying that the lift is better? right?

[pcwfreak]

I'd say a lift is better in this case. KD has a bunch of launch coasters anyways.

[disneyland123]

I'm personally not very impressed. Even B&M hypers have more hills than this thing. The amount of airtime may live up to B&Ms, but at this point, the ride dosen't look that great...nor does the "305" add or make the name "look cool".

[Brawlstar032196]

^ Dude, at least it's not another damn hyper clone. This is actually unique, unlike all the B&M Hyper's out-and-back layout, which gets quite boring.

If you don't like the 305, just call it Intimidator...

[ytivarg]

The drop will be E. P. I. C. I know exactly where I am going to ride on my first go.. back row all the way.

This is why I love you. Let's ride together. :heart:

The airtime hills will be the same/better then the ones on MF.. being that they are in the same relative position (track wise) but looks to be taken with a smidgen more speed.. especially the first one.

What will make or break this ride will be the 'airtime' twists. They will either anal rape your body or give you a pleasuregasm of airtime. I'd like to say the latter is what we should expect.. but after whoring out Mavvy all these years.. the first part may be what we see.

Let's hope they don't have to pull out a bunch of track pieces to redesign them and delay the opening. :pout:

Restraints.. oOo restraints. I've had my fair share of Intamin OTSR's over the years.. and lets hope that they don't kill the ride. I was hoping/praying that it had T or M bars.. but much to my agony, it did not receive the pleasure that is a non-OTSR thingy.

I think it's been pretty widely talked about that the restraints in the video are incorrect, and it will be an over-the-shoulder lapbar... a'la Pilgrim's Plunge. I really, really, really, really hope so. That will up the fear factor ten-fold, whereas a horsecollar will be completely unnecessary and probably really damn painful on the Mavericky bits.


^ Dude, at least it's not another damn hyper clone. This is actually unique, unlike all the B&M Hyper's out-and-back layout, which gets quite boring.


I'd never been on a B&M Hyper prior to Diamondback. But, now that I have, I can look at any B&M Hyper footage and know exactly what it feels like. Some bits may change here and there, but I totally believe when everyone says all the Beemer Hypers feel generally the same.

I'm really glad they went big and, thus, went Intamin for this. Another B&M Hyper right now would have felt extremely Six Flags-ish. :D

[TheFreshEffect]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who is growing to adore it, would be great though if it was a MF clone, then you'd all have something else to ***** about!

[SnooSnoo]

I'd never been on a B&M Hyper prior to Diamondback. But, now that I have, I can look at any B&M Hyper footage and know exactly what it feels like. Some bits may change here and there, but I totally believe when everyone says all the Beemer Hypers feel generally the same.

I'm really glad they went big and, thus, went Intamin for this. Another B&M Hyper right now would have felt extremely Six Flags-ish

First of all.. hells yes.

Second of all.. Diamondback felt like no other B&M Hyper I've been on, especially in the back rows. This is mostly due to the train. I really think that the two best (and highest rated) are Behemoth and DBack.. for a reason. The closest sensation I can feel that links the two is the front row.. but DBack is still better in that case.

[colbycx]

^Yeah, and when I went, diamondback had a very short line

[SnooSnoo]

I walked on son. :P

[Brawlstar032196]

Edit: Nevermind.

[Greatdrift]

I heard the back seat will get -1 g's on the first drop! Much more than Bizarro's -.8 g's @ SFNE!

[Brawlstar032196]

The first Hill is supposed to get -.5 in the front.

[Harpo]

I find it interesting that people are talking about it being a 5 foot shorter drop than Millennium Force. That's just not true.

MF is 310 feet tall with a 300 foot drop. Intimidator is 305 feet tall with a 300 foot drop. Intimidator is 5 feet shorter, but has the same length for the first drop.

Also, MF has an 80 degree angle on the first drop. Intimidator has an 85 degree angle on the first drop. As a result, if the vehicles have identical friction coefficients, then basic physics indicates that Intimidator should obtain speeds that are faster than MF. Now, there are other factors involved, such as how long the 85 degree angle is maintained, but, if the curvature is similar to MF for the first drop, then Initimidator should go faster than MF.

[CedarPointer]

That ride looks awful. It's like an entire coaster of Flight of Fear's second half!

[Myn-o-mite]

Harpo, I may be contradicting you but it dosen't matter what the angle is , the angle gives a different sensation. They should go the same speed because it dosen't matter about the angle.

Someone please tell me if I'm off

[pcwfreak]

I think Harpo is right.

I mean, if you at a lesser angle, there will be more weigh pulled down on the track by gravity. I suck at physics, but it's something I can picture in my head for some reason.

At the press conference, they said they won't know the exact speed until it's figured out when the ride is completed so I guess we'll see then.

[CedarPointer]

I have no doubt that the area around the ride will get some nice vegetation in the coming years. This isn't Six Flags. :P
One word: Firehawk. Another word: Dominator.

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p19650.jpg

http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p21309.jpg

[Brawlstar032196]

^^^ Yes it does... Higher Angle of descent = faster acceleration.

And do you know how old that Dommy picture is? Like, you cant tell? Its not even open yet.

Plus Firehawk is like, the only coaster that has no trees around it, and I could really care less.... think about all the CF coasters that do have foliage around them.

[Myn-o-mite]

^^^ Yes it does... Higher Angle of descent = faster acceleration.

Yeah, I was talking about fastest speed not acceleration. But yeah we'll see.

[Harpo]

In a frictionless environment, the angle wouldn't matter if the drop was the same length. However, we're not in a frictionless environment.

The steeper angle should result in less friction. The track will actually be shorter to cover that same 300 foot elevation change, hence the reduced friction.

If we were talking about straight lines (which we're not -- there is curvature, but the approximation will show the point), a 300 foot drop at an 80 degree angle would cover 304.628 feet. A 300 foot drop at an 85 degree angle would cover 301.146 feet. So, there's about 3.5 feet less track to create friction.

I don't expect the speed differential to be huge, but, in an environment with friction, the same drop at a greater angle should result in faster speeds.

It does make the assumption that the friction coefficients are the same for both coasters (for both tactile friction between the wheels and track, and air friction), which may not be a valid assumption. However, that's data I do not have, hence I can only work with the data that I do have.

[Brawlstar032196]

^ Look at you and you're fancy terms!

[Harpo]

Well, I am an engineer -- some geeky terms are likely to be spewed forth once in a while! It's a hazard of the profession! :D

[ytivarg]

In a frictionless environment, the angle wouldn't matter if the drop was the same length. However, we're not in a frictionless environment.

The steeper angle should result in less friction. The track will actually be shorter to cover that same 300 foot elevation change, hence the reduced friction.

If we were talking about straight lines (which we're not -- there is curvature, but the approximation will show the point), a 300 foot drop at an 80 degree angle would cover 304.628 feet. A 300 foot drop at an 85 degree angle would cover 301.146 feet. So, there's about 3.5 feet less track to create friction.

I don't expect the speed differential to be huge, but, in an environment with friction, the same drop at a greater angle should result in faster speeds.

It does make the assumption that the friction coefficients are the same for both coasters (for both tactile friction between the wheels and track, and air friction), which may not be a valid assumption. However, that's data I do not have, hence I can only work with the data that I do have.

Okay... so, I'm gonna play "Ask The Engineer" because I'm certainly not one... how does this work in something like Maverick, where we're dipping back past 90 degrees for a bit. I know there's obviously more track to do that, but does the kick back end up producing a faster speed than going straight down?

[Harpo]

Going at greater than 90 degrees would actually result in more friction, so it will go slower than an otherwise identical design with a vertical drop.

However, a greater than 90 degree drop tends to look impressive to the riders and observers!

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

However, a greater than 90 degree drop tends to look impressive to the riders and observers!
And provide an amazing sensation!

Thanks for the info, Harpo, never knew that.

[MDEKing]

http://www.intimidator305.com/

Thoughts?

Personally, I don't know... I love Intamin, and I love Millennium Force. This is a much different approach, though. It looks like a Mega-Lite on steroids. Nothing wrong with that, but the result is that it's quite a bit shorter than Millennium Force, with a lot of speed left when it comes to the brakes.

I think the tight Mega-Lite layout style works better for, well, Mega-Lites! In this coaster's case, since it's 305 feet tall, it doesn't give it enough space for some great airtime hills (also not present on MF... but if you've ridden Goliath and other Intamin greats, you know they can do it). Instead, all that's there is a repetition of Maverick-style, low-to-the-ground banked turns. Not ripping on Maverick--it's my favorite coaster I've ever ridden, hands down. But with Intimidator, it's just repetitious!

So overall I think the layout is a bit lame. However, I think, as with all Intamins, once you're strapped into the seat and flying through the course, it's simply all about the FUN factor. We'll have to see.

Some side notes:
-Leave it to Cedar Fair to come up with the worst name imaginable. Yeah, it's a tribute to Dale Earnhardt... But come on!
-What is up with this new track style? Never seen an Intamin with this track before. What could be the reason for the change?

[jackalope11]

A little late.
2 months late, actually.
But, like I said before, I'm not, going to Virginia, so I really don't care.

[MDEKing]

A little late.
2 months late, actually.
But, like I said before, I'm not, going to Virginia, so I really don't care.

I didn't see another thread for this so I decided to make one. Thanks for your overwhelmingly valuable opinion, by the way.

[ytivarg]

It fell a few pages back:

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678471

Plenty of discussion on the ride in there! ;)

[jackalope11]

I didn't see another thread for this so I decided to make one. Thanks for your overwhelmingly valuable opinion, by the way.

Sorry, I just meant to say that I live on the west coast, and I don't think I'll be at Kings Dominion.
Overall I think it's a great move, especially because Intamin's putting more Giga's out there.
Although the layout does not look spectacular, but It definitely works for KD.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

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I would post stats, but thanks to the Coasting Western Coaster Podcast YouTube page, we have the promotional video featuring stats so I don't have to type it.

[dementedbear]

The layout looks rubbish. Where are the hills? Plus Intamin OSTRs are horrible.

Interesting new track though...

[ytivarg]

Why post a link to a video of a camera recording a video on youtube? There's much better links to watch a higher quality (original copy, too) video.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Why post a link to a video of a camera recording a video on youtube? There's much better links to watch a higher quality (original copy, too) video.

Maybe it was the video that the Coasting Western Coaster Podcast was provided with as media. I dunno.

[SnooSnoo]

The layout looks rubbish. Where are the hills? Plus Intamin OSTRs are horrible.

Interesting new track though...

Rumor has it they aren't the OTSR's, but the straps you can see on Tornado at Bakken.. which is significantly better from what I've heard.

[BigLouie]

I'm sure this ride would be fun but it's not something I would travel a long ways for...

[LittleNinja]

i might be adding this to my to do list.

along with:
Kinda Ka
SW6
and maria brink :p

[Greatdrift]

CLOSE THIS THREAD SOMEONE!

[MDEKing]

Rumor has it they aren't the OTSR's, but the straps you can see on Tornado at Bakken.. which is significantly better from what I've heard.

Hopefully this is the case, but the video and pictures show the OSTRs.

While the OSTRs don't obstruct airtime whatsoever, they do obstruct your arms if you like to keep them up during a ride. Also, those transitions are going to be absolute pain for those that don't like to keep their head PRESSED onto the headrest (I learned this the hard way from Maverick).

[SnooSnoo]

Hopefully this is the case, but the video and pictures show the OSTRs.

While the OSTRs don't obstruct airtime whatsoever, they do obstruct your arms if you like to keep them up during a ride. Also, those transitions are going to be absolute pain for those that don't like to keep their head PRESSED onto the headrest (I learned this the hard way from Maverick).

All evidence since then has pointed to, including some statements from staff, that it will be more like the vest on Tornado..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV4JQgVWb7g

[MDEKing]

All evidence since then has pointed to, including some statements from staff, that it will be more like the vest on Tornado..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV4JQgVWb7g

In that case, awesome! That's a hell of a ride, too. If only I could get CTRs to work...

[6000000flags]

It appears that earlier today they finished the drop support!
Sorry for no picture.

Anyways, this coaster is tons more massive than in pictures. Here's an example:
http://www.brinkleys.org/users/tsl/Files/Coasters%20-Side-By-Side.jpg

[SnooSnoo]

Nice picture.

[Brawlstar032196]

Did you make that all by yourself..? Good job. :up:

[6000000flags]

Did you make that all by yourself..? Good job. :up:

Shamelessly stolen from KD Fansite.

Oh, and look who just got its support finished. Looks like little Timmy's growing up.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/i3051_116.jpg

[bigb7965]

is that being put in position or is that the angle of the drop? :eek:

[6000000flags]

is that being put in position or is that the angle of the drop? :eek:

That's the angle. Real life is far more scary than the mockup.

[bigb7965]

Jesus christ

[MDEKing]

Thanks to the moderator that combined the threads.

That's a great picture to show the comparisons. The first drop is going to be insane! Surprised they didn't put Millennium Force on there, though.

[. Style .]

I still feel that it doesn't fully take advantage of it's speed, since it's pretty much only doing the banked turns, but I'm sure a drop that steep at that height will own up for it. I can only imagine the feeling, like the steepness is never ending. I had that feeling on Colossos at Heide Park, but it'll be much more noticeable on this one.

[SnooSnoo]

I still feel that it doesn't fully take advantage of it's speed, since it's pretty much only doing the banked turns, but I'm sure a drop that steep at that height will own up for it. I can only imagine the feeling, like the steepness is never ending. I had that feeling on Colossos at Heide Park, but it'll be much more noticeable on this one.

You'd be surprise about how many people absolutely love MF for the low, ground hugging speed/ great drop rather then the rest of the boring crap it does.. lol

[disneyland123]

The problem is that while Maverick speeds through its turns, this one just cruises right through them - or at least appears to because the turns are so wide. You can't really feel the speed at all, because the turn is so endless. But of course, I'm only judging this on the mockup... can't really judge it from real-life now. ;)

[colbycx]

Idk, I bet the turns feel much like maverick

[disneyland123]

It's kinda like how Superman: Ride of Steel's/Bizzaro's helix is huge so it makes the train look slow. In actual fact, of course it's not... but will the general public look down at the wheels or look at the track?

[Alpengeist]

I'm sensing a little Deja Vu here.

We went through the same thing on these forums 4 years ago when El Toro was announced. ...People saying there's not enough hills, it's too short, it looks boring, etc. Now most people, who have actually been on it, have the coaster in their top 10. ...So can we at least wait till someone actually rides I-305 before jumping to any conclusions.