Large Group Recruiting CS Makers

[twinsofdoom5]

hello guys, i am speaking here on behalf of SMA. (Scaremenga Media Alliance) We are the biggest company of RCT3 and are ever expanding. With this new expansion brings new ideas for the company, one of which is this.

we are looking for a couple of dedicated custom scenery makers that are able to make almost anything, experience with groups is not important and we will make sure you fill in nicely with the group and are always enjoying yourselves. This scenery will be exclusive to Scaremenga seperating it from any other group.

We have a long list of RCT3 makers including very talanted creators like Scaremenga and Stratales aswell as groups like Platinum Studios, Kinda Doh Studios, Face Off Productions and Freeze frame productions who have all joined us along the way.

We would like to see applications below in this format:

Name:
Country:
Experience:
Picture Of Work:
Time available for work:

Thank you for you time guys and remember there are limited places so if you are looking to apply applications close at the end of june.

Thank you on behalf of Scaremenga Media Alliance
Twinsofdoom5 :)

[coasterfreak]

????? Oooooookaaaaay. im not thinking peeps want to "join" groups....it is hard enough to find time to make CS of our own, let alone trying to make CS for a group. Most CS makers get together with a friend and make a set together, not a group project....it has been tried before, and most likely some people end up not finishing their pieces, or just disappear altogether, and dont hear from them for awhile. ex: RCT2 scenery in 3D. it has been started as a group project, but im not thinking any of it has been released. but hey, i could be wrong......good luck, i would like see what comes of this anyhow though.

[twinsofdoom5]

thank you we appreciate your comment. at SMA we are a strong group and we all pull together and ensure everything will get done. Also we are selecting a group of people not just one so the group will all pull together as one unit and help boost the others skills and develop nice packs exclusive to SMA.

Twinsofdoom5

[superlegostarwa]

I'm Sorry, But I Don't Think This Has Any Hope. CS Making To Me Is Solo

[wabigbear]

To be fair, other groups like NetOn and UCEP have done similar group projects to various degrees.

I'm not familiar with any of those who are part of this, but you can't fault them for trying. Best of luck.

[twinsofdoom5]

Thank you for your support, we very much appreciate all the help we can get. :)

[twinsofdoom5]

I'm Sorry, But I Don't Think This Has Any Hope. CS Making To Me Is Solo

If a group is good enough it should be able to work together without a hitch with people making different items for a set or just seperate sets. i dont think there will be a problem.

Twinsofdoom5

[scaremenga]

Why must this forum be so entirely negative? So many ideas posted here are shrugged off as being stupid, or not possible based on the mistakes of other people and groups. But not everyone and everything is the same, and it doesn't have to. So many people in this particular community are negative about everything. I've barely even seen a positive comment, let alone one without and "quality control", or criticism in it. Isn't this a game? Isn't it supposed to be fun? What's wrong with trying something that already failed? How many successful people in life have failed before becoming successful? This is probably the sole reason for the creation of the RCTLounge, for a group that's not so overly negative and critical. Give my group a chance, and twinsofdoom5 a chance to execute his ideas.

[teddlesking]

Why must this forum be so entirely negative? So many ideas posted here are shrugged off as being stupid, or not possible based on the mistakes of other people and groups. But not everyone and everything is the same, and it doesn't have to. So many people in this particular community are negative about everything. I've barely even seen a positive comment, let alone one without and "quality control", or criticism in it. Isn't this a game? Isn't it supposed to be fun? What's wrong with trying something that already failed? How many successful people in life have failed before becoming successful? This is probably the sole reason for the creation of the RCTLounge, for a group that's not so overly negative and critical. Give my group a chance, and twinsofdoom5 a chance to execute his ideas.

I second that!

[coasterfreak]

Honestly, we arent trying to be negative about this, we know what has happened in the past. We dont want to see your group get its hopes up, and then fail. Some of us acually learn from others failures. We do however wish you the best of luck, and hope that you do succeed in this project, but like i said, we dont want you trying so hard at something and have people bail out for one reason or another, that means it will put more work on others to finish. So seriously, were not trying to bring you down, or say its going to totally fail, i hope it works out well for you. I too was part of the RCT2 in 3D project, but time comes when real life issues get to be more important than a game, and we stray from it, and then this project became incomplete for us. We all worked so hard too! Also please dont double post, peeps in here get very frustrated about that. You can just edit your post if you have too! Thank you.

[twinsofdoom5]

Thanks Scaremenga

[twinsofdoom5]

Cmon guys we need replies!

[ytivarg]

All of those "studios" and "alliances" are the names I've seen slapped all over mediocre ride videos all over youtube.

Generally, there's 5 minutes of logos for every group/team/alliance, then a minute or two of actual footage, that rarely lives up to expectations.

[ThingMaker]

Haven't been on in ages - are double posts allowed now?

[RedOctoberRCT3]

^^^Definatly not,

How many other people are in your group?
What do you need made, its a bit all over the place if you ask me. You guy(s) need to tell us what you want, what your asking is something along the lines of complimentry conscription?

[gamer2456]

Yeah maybe if you gave littlle detail something we would have do for group may get so cs maker will do it.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Hmmm, I would like to see where this goes. I really hope this isn't something noobish and is ACTUALLY oficial....LOL

(Mods have been notified about dbl post)

[surfingoz]

First off guys, I think group projects are a good idea if managed correctly. Yes we have seen a lot(too many) fail but who knows, you guys may just succeed. Anyway, I think if you guys want a CS maker to join that you yourself may want to offer some pictures and information of what you are capable of. For me personally I here a request for scenery but no real incentive for a person to want to join. Maybe try working some more on that first post. :up:

[biogal]

Twinsofdoom5, even though you've been told not to, you are still double posting. This will remain closed until I hear from you.

EDIT: Thread opened.

[twinsofdoom5]

thanks biogal and sorry about that.
for the rest of you who dont know SMA and some of our work here is a project made by one of our members, Stratales.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimyAO2c2NM - Butterfly 2

[RedOctoberRCT3]

thanks biogal and sorry about that.
for the rest of you who dont know SMA and some of our work here is a project made by one of our members, Stratales.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimyAO2c2NM - Butterfly 2

Wow :eek:

[twinsofdoom5]

lol you like it then? shows off our work. and all we need is a few CS makers that can make simple designs for peoples projects. it wont be greuling and demanding and we can work around your times.

Thanks Twins :)

[Krakatoa_Coo]

my god! as a member and mod of the SMA, i have been so ashamed to see the group be arrogantly asking people to work for them. why didnt you ask anyone in the group first? i am a CS maker and I have a couple CTRs coming along nicely. if you want things, ask me via PM or contact me on youtube. and if you want to stay in the forums, learn the rulz!

[sodapopdude4]

cool, I might join, but how good of cs makers are you looking for?

[RedOctoberRCT3]

I can join, Im not pro but I will make models for you...although my speaciality is importing ;)

[Amplifyed]

Very nice work.
Unfortunately, I think the team of ImagineerJohn/Fisherman are the best RCT team. :/
And also, unfortunately, I've already got a "Team" of my own.

[maskedbandit101]

::sigh:: I agree completely with gravity...these 'teams/organizations/alliances' are more often than not just a group of people who leech on to one or two good designers who are looking for a quick self-esteem boost to get mixed up in them.

You showed one video of your 'work' and that is from someone who's been doing stuff on his own for a while. That's not a representation of your 'alliance' it's a representation of Xstratale's work...

I get asked constantly to join these little groups, but what for? The biggest names in this game work alone or in pairs, like Amplified said, Fisherman and ImagineerJohn. These large mega-cooporations just seem like sad excuses to try and get famous. Fame always bequeaths those who don't search for it, including 'alliances.'

If you're all so talented, make your own CS.

[Old-Spice]

^ I agree bud. The large groups are stupid in my opinion. I have done great on my own, well thats according to the replies I get ;) I tossed a few sets out there, and look at me now, tida, there all worshiping me :D:D:D

[wabigbear]

lol you like it then? shows off our work. and all we need is a few CS makers that can make simple designs for peoples projects. it wont be greuling and demanding and we can work around your times.

Thanks Twins :)

Wait, so this is supposed to be sort of 'on demand' scenery makers?

I thought you guys were doing a group project like NetOn or UCEP where you'll release a bunch of scenarios and custom scenery in one bunch? What you seem to be describing is instead some custom scenery designers to just make stuff for your different projects whenever you want it...is that true?

Because if it is there's an entire multi-page thread of people asking for CS for THEIR projects here already.

Maybe you could explain better what it is you're looking for because there's dozens of other people who want stuff for their parks too.

[adiel19]

i would join but i dont think that i have enough time for this

[gamer2456]

I Agree with old spice and wabigbear there many of this type thread start way before your.

I mean god not i'm not famous but ever one seem to like my work that why i'm still making cs just like ever other cs maker here.

where not reaily up for on demand stuff know I am not I will do A few thing for people if I think idea good and go some where in time they make it.

But would never sign up for group like this .

[twinsofdoom5]

the whole point is its not ment to be to demanding for you guys. and you can make Scenery exclusive to SMA at your own descretion.

cool, I might join, but how good of cs makers are you looking for?

You dont need to be amazing we are looking for people with basic skills that we can work with :)

Apolagies for the multi post i miss edited it and have reported it already :/ sorry again!

[zune30freak]

Why doesn't the group just release their cs

[deathfearsnone]

To me this sounds rather conceited. Sure your the largest group blaw blaw blaw but exclusive cs? i say if you want that promote that with in your group talented cs makers do not want only a few users using there set. They want it to be shared or if not they make it for themselves. This thread sounds rather harsh in the way. But its just my opinion

[Old-Spice]

the whole point is its not ment to be to demanding for you guys. and you can make Scenery exclusive to SMA at your own descretion.



You dont need to be amazing we are looking for people with basic skills that we can work with :)
So like Wagi said, you want people to make CS for your projects. This is a joke.

[TheChicosAStar]

So like Wagi said, you want people to make CS for your projects. This is a joke.
...and only to released for them. So its more of a CS Requests then anything.

[liamrocks]

Wow, what a pointless thread. There seems to be no end. The coaster POV you let us all see, was all one person's work. Then you went and continued to ask people to join. This is some kind of joke! Im a member of one of these groups too, well, two of them actually. One, Magic Man Productions (thats just me) and a pyro group called Starshard Enterprises. We dont go around and make threads to promote ourselves and such, fact, this post is probably the only time most of the people here have heard of them. The thing is, your trying to "live in the limelight" way too much. Why should you have exclusive cs either? You call yourselves the "top dogs" but you have access to some special cs, tailored to your needs. The real stars all over the forums are the people who can use the current cs from the wonderful cs makers, and turn it into something new and different. There you go, my opinion.

Liam

[deathfearsnone]

Wow, what a pointless thread. There seems to be no end. The coaster POV you let us all see, was all one person's work. Then you went and continued to ask people to join. This is some kind of joke! Im a member of one of these groups too, well, two of them actually. One, Magic Man Productions (thats just me) and a pyro group called Starshard Enterprises. We dont go around and make threads to promote ourselves and such, fact, this post is probably the only time most of the people here have heard of them. The thing is, your trying to "live in the limelight" way too much. Why should you have exclusive cs either? You call yourselves the "top dogs" but you have access to some special cs, tailored to your needs. The real stars all over the forums are the people who can use the current cs from the wonderful cs makers, and turn it into something new and different. There you go, my opinion.

Liam


i agree fully with that. The unique designers that amaze us and inspire us the non cs users like doffy and heth can produce the best coasters i seen with no cs thats amazing to me. then the top dogs too many to name i have the most respect for that inspire and move the community. Sure i know some cs makers i am friends with but if they ask for my input on what should be in the set i go to the request thread and see what is the most requested things so the set will be useful to everyone. Not just hey make this so only i can use it no !

[twinsofdoom5]

"top dogs" haha! i have never seen that in any of my posts and ill send you a link to a collab between two members if you would like, currently there is a project for all SMA members to work on together. would you really like a Collab piece for your own eyes?

[deathfearsnone]

Collabs don't cut it man its your going about this all wrong

[Greatdrift]

As a mod of SMA, I don't think members that aren't in our group is supposed to work for us. There's actually a lot of group members in SMA that actually make CSOs.

[scaremenga]

::sigh:: I agree completely with gravity...these 'teams/organizations/alliances' are more often than not just a group of people who leech on to one or two good designers who are looking for a quick self-esteem boost to get mixed up in them.

You showed one video of your 'work' and that is from someone who's been doing stuff on his own for a while. That's not a representation of your 'alliance' it's a representation of Xstratale's work...

I get asked constantly to join these little groups, but what for? The biggest names in this game work alone or in pairs, like Amplified said, Fisherman and ImagineerJohn. These large mega-cooporations just seem like sad excuses to try and get famous. Fame always bequeaths those who don't search for it, including 'alliances.'

If you're all so talented, make your own CS.

No... SMA is more of a group where we chat with each other. A large number of us are 'close' in an RCT3 aspect. Stratales and I are quick to remove anyone who joined just to talk to 'higher' leveled people, or to get subscribers. We try to be a community, not like some other groups that do it for the sake of being big.

We KNOW that Butterfly 2 is a representation of HIS (STRATALES's) work, and it is up to him wether or not he puts the intro video and SMA cs into his own ride. Twinsofdoom5 was not implying that we all worked on that. Stratales is our Vice-President and he (twinsofdoom5) wanted to showcase the work that a FELLOW member, not us, can do.

Why must everything be so set in stone with the atart people? Not all 'mega-corporations' are bad and established just for popularity. I could care so much less if SMA was just two members big instead of 80. What matters to me is that SMA stays as a social-group. And I am not searching for fame. Do you think I don't already know that? Some people, whom I won't mention because they are long-time ALLIES of ataricommunity, follow fame by making rides and cs that only they can use to create a danged monopoly. That's what I've seen going down here, and that's why I founded SMA with Stratales. So who's the bad guy? SMA, or ataricommunity?

Stratales, Jhezhar, Twinsofdoom5, I, and a lot of other SMA members do make Custom Scenery. Since you're so good at telling us to: "research before posting", maybe you should listen to your own advice.

This CS thread is ended, and to prevent further conspiracies in regards to SMA's true intentions being destroyed by Ataricommunity, SMA-related topics and threads will NOT be posted here.

[SVT 305]

Please, go ahead. Show us what your group has done. Then maybe, just maybe, someone will have enough interest to do something for you. Or not.

EDIT: sorry, missed your post there. Maybe your group can do good work, and twinsofwhatever just made a very bad impression here. Maybe.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Didnt mean to cause distress but dont you think that regardless whether you have 8-80 members who can ALL make CS why dont you make it yourselves. Or use the I request an object thread?....its there for a reason regardless whether you are a group or not. I think the fact that just becuase you are a group does not mean you have the right to spam forums with just another scenery request deep fried in conspiricy. IF you are that desperate than you could just p.m. some leading CS makers. That is often the path some people take.


...and only to released for them. So its more of a CS Requests then anything.


Yeah, twinsofdoom5 SMA this link should help you

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478083

[coasterfreak]

Awe man, cant we all just get along? This is the place for others to help one another, not bash each others heads in......this is like elementary school kids fighting to see who gets to the swings first.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Awe man, cant we all just get along? This is the place for others to help one another, not bash each others heads in......this is like elementary school kids fighting to see who gets to the swings first.


Im NOT bashing peeps head in...I am just worried that this is just another request thread just deep fried with conspiricy....

[coasterfreak]

^ Im not pointing fingers at anybody in particular, just saying that this thread is nothing more than an argument thread. didnt mean to step on anybodys toes, so if anyone thought i was talking to them, i meant in general.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

No probs....but honestly asking people to conscript and make CS for some group who are just too lazy to make it themselves....

[scaremenga]

Didnt mean to cause distress but dont you think that regardless whether you have 8-80 members who can ALL make CS why dont you make it yourselves. Or use the I request an object thread?....its there for a reason regardless whether you are a group or not. I think the fact that just becuase you are a group does not mean you have the right to spam forums with just another scenery request deep fried in conspiricy. IF you are that desperate than you could just p.m. some leading CS makers. That is often the path some people take.





Yeah, twinsofdoom5 SMA this link should help you

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478083

Well, originally I thought when Twinsofdoom5 wanted to start this I thought he made it for only SMA members. That was the whole idea, for SMA members to make CS for themselves. Why do we always say that posting a comment or reply that is not PERFECTLY concise, above three words, helps the original poster, is not concurrently posting, etc. is SPAM? If you want to know what SPAM is, it's this: PLEASE DON't DOUBLE POST. PLEASE EXPAND. PLEASE DO NOT This and That. Tell me, which is wasting more of your valuable bandwidth? Can someone close this thread permanetely before this escelates even more? I Already said SMA is a communtiy group, and we're not in it for popularity. And i might as well add this for other hard-heads. We're not trying to SPAM. Any other "what we're not's" that I need to explain to the whole single-minded community?

Lazy? How is that lazy? Do you have to manage a freaking group this big? no. I'd love to see you create and manage a group that people who are willing to join, from YouTube which is a totally different and much more accepting community, and spread. And by the way, this "CS" idea was meant to contribute to this god forsaken forum. What do you think we were going to do with the CS that we "leeched" out of other members? Take it and run away with it like, like some of your "god god" members do with every release?

[coasterfreak]

Hmmmm....*deep thought* Maybe instead of making a thread to ask people to join, maybe you could have PMed several CS makers, and asked them if they would like to join your community, or maybe even post some CS work that one of your members are making, and put a link in your sig, this way people may "want to" go there and check out your community, and maybe join. my opinion only. :)

[RedOctoberRCT3]

I never said you were in it for popularity....unfortunatly in these forums you get lynched for posting something slightly incorrect...unfortunatly we interpret what we read and we can only go from there...if you could shed light on that situation that would be great...

Well, then I am confused....if you're recruiting people who are required to make CS for their employers, when you're group is perfectly capable of making things yourself OR are you just asking for people to join?

I see the folowing motives of this thread:

1-Recruitment
2-Object / CS maker request
3- LOL
4- More LOL
5- Complete and utter joke?

So tell me WTF are you asking the people of atari forums to do?

[scaremenga]

My intentions were for us to encourage our OWN members to make Custom scenery. But twinsofdoom5 must have had different ideas and implied that he wanted people from here to join.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

There ^^^^

That wasn't so hard was it.....but I dont think you alowd to recruit here...can someone tell me?

[coasterfreak]

^so actually twinsofdoom5 is to blame for this then? he shouldnt have asked for people to join, its kind of like "advertising your site" he should have done that in his signiture, not start a thread to get people all ticked off....im i wrong?

[RedOctoberRCT3]

^so actually twinsofdoom5 is to blame for this then? he shouldnt have asked for people to join, its kind of like "advertising your site" he should have done that in his signiture, not start a thread to get people all ticked off....im i wrong?

Yeah, I think thats probably correct.

[coasterfreak]

also.....whats the title of this thread? lol "Large group "RECRUITING" CS makers. yeah, starting a thread just to advertise was definately not the way to go....especially here on atari....people surely frown down upon this sort of thing.

[Crowheart]

Do you have to manage a freaking group this big? no.

Yes...;)
Well, this community is much, much bigger though, and unfortunately as it's open to everyone, we run into situations like this thread.

I don't see anything wrong with this, besides that perhaps it was slightly unclear at first what was being asked.
If I read it right, you're looking for members to create custom scenery for your group, which is fine.

If anyone is interested in that, feel free to continue the thread.
Otherwise, let's drop this argument, it's a bit silly frankly.

[scaremenga]

Yes...;)
Well, this community is much, much bigger though, and unfortunately as it's open to everyone, we run into situations like this thread.

I don't see anything wrong with this, besides that perhaps it was slightly unclear at first what was being asked.
If I read it right, you're looking for members to create custom scenery for your group, which is fine.

If anyone is interested in that, feel free to continue the thread.
Otherwise, let's drop this argument, it's a bit silly frankly.

The argument was done.. and I'm looking for SMA members to make CS for SMA... twins just misphrased it... that was just to clarify.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Ahhhh, ^^^ now I can understand...

[Krakatoa_Coo]

much better! i would like to see some of our own members make their own CS than requesting it anyways.

[twinsofdoom5]

yes. sorry guys i got the wrong end of the stick and misphrased it, And it was my fault not anybody else in SMA.

[surfingoz]

Is this not classed as advertising? seems odd to me.

Dunno I guess this thread has hit its end, it needed to be thought out better with lots of pictures as an starting point and more of an invite rather then it appearing like demanding CS. NOW i know you said that you where not demanding and I agree it is just we are use to stuff like this being people asking for someone to do their deeds for them.

I think the problem is that atari has no where for people to advertise communities because that seems to be what you guys are doing.

[coasterfreak]

^Thank you OZ.......

[Oriolesmagic]

::sigh:: I agree completely with gravity...these 'teams/organizations/alliances' are more often than not just a group of people who leech on to one or two good designers who are looking for a quick self-esteem boost to get mixed up in them.

You showed one video of your 'work' and that is from someone who's been doing stuff on his own for a while. That's not a representation of your 'alliance' it's a representation of Xstratale's work...

I get asked constantly to join these little groups, but what for? The biggest names in this game work alone or in pairs, like Amplified said, Fisherman and ImagineerJohn. These large mega-cooporations just seem like sad excuses to try and get famous. Fame always bequeaths those who don't search for it, including 'alliances.'

If you're all so talented, make your own CS.

While this may be partly true, I think most people join groups so they can just get better. Except for some situations members in groups tend to more friendly to other people in that group and are more willing to help out.

[teddlesking]

from what i have read here so far, you guys take this game waaaay to seriously, you are ranting at people for playing a game? seriously..

SMA i doubt will be no longer more because of this, i have been a part of SMA for a long time, and it has made me become a little more populr along the other rct3 designers on youtube. I may not post alot on atari because i rather post on the lounge, but after reading this i think this is pathetic :downcast: Give the guy a break

[Greatdrift]

Thanks to you, SMA is now closed.

[coasterfreak]

^No....thank the guy that posted "we need," and what i and others think, "advertising" in a thread.....:(

[tigerlemurguy]

Good riddance is all i can say. I was never a fan from the start.

[coasterfreak]

^lol.....

[azanderz]

Why so serious ? You make it sound like a professional job recrute. Like you even want to pay people for joining this. We create cs for fun, so why make it a serious "job". I think more people was up for it if you just asked if some people wanted to join you and your friends and create a great package ? :)

[sodapopdude4]

Isn't SMA closed?

[surfingoz]

It is but if they were serious they would not let something like this get to them. If you hit a hitch or a problem you work around it, instead they folded. I was never one for groups yet you had a fair amount of people at the site so why take it away from them. Maybe you need to affiliate with other RCT3 sites since it is not really proper to post it here. Good luck guys.

[EDIT] Stop thinking about others and think of your members, everyone knows that most atari members are not fans of this stuff but some are. Your members. I personally hate group work because I try not to rely on people, small groups are better because there are less people to keep track of. It can be a more personal experience.

Well enough blabbering from me.

[scaremenga]

Thanks to you, SMA is now closed.

Greadtdrift: No actually, Teddles was one of the few people who did not cause the closure of SMA, he tried to keep it open and was one of the even fewer people who managed to encourage me to even try to keep it open. It's people in the group (and out) with your attitude that contributed a large portion to my decision of closing SMA.

azanderz: We already adressed that, if you can't read the previous posts don't bring it up. The tone of this thread was accidentally set by twins as being overly serious, and it was not even intended to recruit people out of the group.

surfingoz: I love your reply so much, it made my day. Do you know how many problems we hit? Do you know how many times we tried to rebound? No, I don't think so. It was very difficult and for the sake of not creating a fight on the RCTLounge forums stratales and I decided it was for the best to let go. And the only reason we posted here was to catch the attention of OTHER SMA members, and nobody directly out of it. It was twins mistake to not say that in his original post.

To your "edit": I've already addressed the original reason for SMA's creation. It wasn't a one-way, get-popular hot shot group. It was a social group, okay?

This fight has been cleared on Page 2. And anybdoy who fails to read through those posts, is just plain incoherent. I have already explained to everyone the original intentions of this thread. And I have also explained why we closed. If anybody has assumptions as to why we closed, why don't you send a message to me personally, before you say something. Most of the people who have complained about this group do not know of how many peeople and troubles they have to face as a group... I'm not advertising this site (though I would love to for their quick-to-accept behavior) but look, I've adressed the issues, why I closed, and the issue is resolved! I suggest you set an example to the entire RCT3 community by taking heed and actually taking your own advice of reading your own posts before making assumptions. I am fed up of people pretending to be grown-ups and backing up false or lame arguments that could be disproved in a matter of a few words.

http://rctlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3277&highlight=closed

If you actually read this post, you show that you are one of the few competent beings on this planet... and I thank you for that.

[maskedbandit101]

So I clicked the link and read...there's like...a whole underground community of people who are all either hardcore for or against SMA. Unfortunately, the video link had the vid removed, so I think I'm missing some crucial bits of the story.

I didn't even know it existed until this thread showed up, to be honest...and when I researched my own a bit on youtube, I wasn't overly impressed. I do have to say, though, scaremenga, that you carried yourself with a lot of class and maturity when one of your members went out of their way to try to discredit my comments, as well as leave arrogant remarks on my own page. I think that's where my beef with SMA and other groups comes into play...while you might not be arrogant, there are a lot of people in these groups who are. I always get the impression that once people join these groups, because they have a fancy graphic before their video, they feel everyone should just assume that their videos are amazing and flawless. When that sort of...arrogance is detected, I think a lot of us go into overdrive to discredit the member. We go out of our way to look for flaws, and we harp on them mercilessly. So goes human nature.

Yes, a lot of us here at Atari take this game seriously, but apparently, so do you and your former alliance, or else you wouldn't have created one in the first place. It seems "hypocrite" is a word that's being tossed around these parts more and more often...I think it's a fad, personally...we need to choose a new word.

I won't pretend to know what went on with the inner workings of SMA or any of those other big groups, but I think that it's the self-inflated egos that ultimately bring them down. You do come in here touting how hard it is/was to keep track of 80 some members and what not, and I just had to laugh when Crow posted, being a mod and all...there's always a bigger fish in the sea, so I dunno...I find a lot of that verbose attitude to be childish and unnecessary, regardless of who it comes from.

In the end, I don't care if SMA is still here or not. I also don't care if they or any other group posts a thread asking for CS from the community. I care if someone who acts like they think they're great comes in and struts around like a prize rooster, only to turn into a prickly porcupine when someone challenges their unproven self-worth. A lot of us work really hard at this game and take it more as a hobby, as a passion, than a game. And when someone comes around with a condescending, demanding, or all around non-humble attitude (not directed towards you personally), those of us that are passionate about this game tend to get a bit upset. Usually, the people that have these attitudes are involved in alliances or groups, and now we're just running in circles.

Best of luck to you and whatever else you chose to do with your RCT3.

[scaremenga]

Thanks for being one of the first members from ataricommunity to go out of the way and find credible information. This action shows a sense of maturity in it's own way.

The same reason you said that some people play rct3 as a passion and/or hobby is the same reason I closed SMA. I finally came to my senses that these pointless fight and groups don't enhance the rct3-experience in a good way, and closed it knoeing that this gives not only me but 80 other members to have the freedom rct3 is meant to give.

I think we've made an understanding here. I am as passionate about rct3 as any other member on this forum... And I realize this thread may have caused some damage to my credibility for saying that... But I'm her for the fun of rct3 and nothing else.

EDIT: here, not her.