Cedar Point 2010 New Ride -- Shoot The Rapids!

[rctguy123]

Cedar Point is definitely getting something new next year.
I know that people knew about this land clearing months ago, but I thought this would be a better time to start a thread on it.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/blog/index.cfm

Let the guessing begin.

[AtomiCart]

An homage to the Swamp Monster!

[SnooSnoo]

Nothing at all.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

I just talked to Clint from the Coaster Crew, who was just at CP, and he said he saw no signs of anything big or anything at all going on.

[-Bolt-]

Launched Inverted Flying Strata Spinning Aquatrax Wooden Hyper Corkscrew with Three Loops and flying cheeseburger cars produced by B&M, here I come.

[ytivarg]

I'm not allowed to talk, so don't ask. ;)

[Crispylad]

I just got back from CP yesterday and no signs of anything. Zip ,nothing... My guess is an aqua trax though.

[Squid2]

I'm not allowed to talk, so don't ask. ;)

So consider me inappropriate... I'm asking! :D

From the hints that have been dropped, it's going to be a coaster that will roam all over the park... a foot here, a foot there, etc... could be footers.

Squid2

[Harpo]

Well, today's Facebook clue is "Gee, See Eye."

Since Prowler and Renegade are recent GCI wood coasters built at Cedar Fair parks, the clue would seem to imply that a new GCI wood coaster will be showing up on Millennium Island. Unless, of course, the clue was intentionally misleading.

[rctguy123]

Well, I think that Harpo figured out that clue. I really hope it is a GCI woodie, I've never rode one but I've heard they're pretty nice.

[ytivarg]

It's the latest clue.. but they also posted "AQUATRAX?" on their twitter page not too long ago.. take all of it with a grain of salt.

Tony & Tyler both love messing with people.

[SnooSnoo]

Obviously.

Evel Kinevel is pretty good btw. :P

[-Kasbian-]

I would like to see a huge coaster come in.
I wish it could be dueling but they already have gemini.:sour:

[goofywdw]

^They don't have the space to do a huge dueling coaster anyway. It's about time, they are in need of a good woodie.

[-Kasbian-]

^Gwazi on steroids woulda been nice.:p:up:

[SnooSnoo]

Considering Gwazi is complete crap.. and not even the best GCI out there.. lets rule that out.


How about Prowler? or Evel Kinevel? Yeah.. lets clone those.

[hookyboysb]

Considering Gwazi is complete crap.. and not even the best GCI out there.. lets rule that out.


How about Prowler? or Evel Kinevel? Yeah.. lets clone those.
No. Copies are almost always bad.

Original stuff please :3

[SnooSnoo]

Have you ever rode a Batman clone? There you go.

[Greatdrift]

^^ you got owned!

^ You owned him!

[hookyboysb]

I've never even set foot in a Six Flags park!

Although, last time I went to DW, I did pass right by SFKK.

Besides, it gets boring when you see the same coaster at multiple parks (see Vekoma Boomerangs and Invertigos)

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

The boys over at Coaster Force have some simply amazing ideas as to what's coming to CP next year.

[SnooSnoo]

They do know how to do work over there.. :P

[-Kasbian-]

Snoo.
Gwazi was good in it's earlier years.
All wooden coasters pretty much go bad after 10 years.
I find it pretty amazing that Gwazi still runs good.

[SnooSnoo]

I better watch out for my #1 coaster Boulder Dash.. as next year it is 10 years old... gonna go to hell.

Phoenix is LONG past due to be crap.. yet..

http://www.ushsho.com/woodrollercoasterpollresults2008.htm

Fail.. yet again Kasbain.

[Cedar Point]

Blue Streak is a little over 10 years old, and it's still in good condition.

[~LoveTulie]

Yeah.. Blue Streak is running amazing this year!

If they are getting a GCI, they should just wipe out Meanstreak and use that space! :p

[-Kasbian-]

I better watch out for my #1 coaster Boulder Dash.. as next year it is 10 years old... gonna go to hell.

Phoenix is LONG past due to be crap.. yet..

http://www.ushsho.com/woodrollercoasterpollresults2008.htm

Fail.. yet again Kasbain.
Okay I don't see why you seem to make a big deal out of this.
They both run good.
Sure Gwazi is a little bumpy, but for a wooden coaster standing up to tropical storms and hurricanes, Its still mediocre.
Blue Streak is a little over 10 years old, and it's still in good condition.
Yes it is.

[JungleGuy]

Timber Wolf is 20 and it is much smoother than in the past.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

They do know how to do work over there.. :P
Some guy "SnooSnoo" predicted a pirate themed double inverter...

[~LoveTulie]

Haha, I always read the threads over at CoasterForce about Cedar Point and stuff, just because it's amusing. :p

[fathorse]

World's largest inverted revolving toilet. You heard it here first. It also goes from 0-80 in 2.8 seconds.

[kraken613]

A wooden Aquatrax, I am calling it now!

[Brawlstar032196]

Well then I call a Vekoma Hyper placed at 500 feet, with 3 loops!

[kraken613]

That would be a Petacoaster.

[-NGS-]

Rollerskater, Rollerstaker, please be a Rollerskater!!!

[ytivarg]

It's Cedar Point... if it's supposed to have 3 L0oPs! they'll end up building it, and then pull one of them out and replace it with a thrilling s-bend. :bulb:

[-Kasbian-]

^Haha.
How true.
Did you ride it with the barrel roll?

[SnooSnoo]

Only myself and he did actually.

It was quite intense.

[-Kasbian-]

It did look pretty intense in the animated POV on youtube.

[SnooSnoo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/Dragster420/herewegoagain.jpg

Oo.. no..

[ytivarg]

Intense is an understatement. :haha:

[SnooSnoo]

It was a 'head ache' as you could say.

LOL!

[-Kasbian-]

Sounds like a woodie to me!!
(*Dramatic music*) duh, DUH, DDUUHH!!

[~LoveTulie]

Headache + Frontier Town = Woodie. It HAS to!

[Greatdrift]

^ THAN IT'S DEFINATELY A WOODEN AQUATRAX/GCI MIX!!!!!!!!

[-Kasbian-]

A water compatible wooden coaster.
Pros/Cons
Speak your pros and cons on this Idea now!!!

[ytivarg]

Big text. It is teh necessary.

[-Bolt-]

It is also teh winz.

[Myn-o-mite]

Again think about space issues. Also paddlewheels runs around the area.

And head aching... wtf seriously, like all fans I like a ride fast and smooth not tearing your head off.

Also what if it is a themed ride?

Oh here is a tip, the tip T&T give eliminate those and see what is left.

[fathorse]

The sign isn't reflecting in the water......

[-Kasbian-]

^Photoshoped!!!
Those guys!!!:mad::down:

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Headache?
Vekoma or Arrow looper comes immediately to mind. Have fun.

Some guy on CF said they are erecting a giant light up penis for 2010. Funny, I thought they already have two of those...

Psst. Sign is fake.

[hookyboysb]

That sign clearly means that they are moving Vortex at KI to CP.:rolleyes:

[Cedar Point]

How the hell would anyone get back there anyway?

[fathorse]

Swim. Fast too, so the boats don't hit you.

[rctguy123]

The sign isn't reflecting in the water......

It is a vampire sign.

[ytivarg]

How the hell would anyone get back there anyway?

Magic and 25 cent Cotton Candy

[-Kasbian-]

What are those wooden supports in the picture for.
(Not the one in the background)

[ytivarg]

It's part of Terror Island... it was there last year, too.

[-Kasbian-]

Oh damn.
Thought I might be getting somewhere....:sour:

EDIT!!!
From twitter: "I prefer my lunch TOGO...especially when there's lightning around."

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

They're just toying with us. It's blatantly obvious. How many manufacturers have they named now?

Bad photoshop job, Snoo. You needed to extend the sign a bit more and have it reflect.

[-Kasbian-]

Three:
Aquatrax
GCI
TOGO

[randomperpie]

Togo still makes rides? I thought they went bankrupt...I'd be leaning towards a GCI, if anything. Get rid of Meanstreak or CCMR, it'll be more than enough room, especially with that clearing.Now hopefully CW will get something for it's 30th birthday...

[SnooSnoo]

They're just toying with us. It's blatantly obvious. How many manufacturers have they named now?

Bad photoshop job, Snoo. You needed to extend the sign a bit more and have it reflect.

Not my photoshop job.. I just thought it would be hilarious to spread the rumors.

;)

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Not my photoshop job.. I just thought it would be hilarious to spread the rumors.

;)
Oh... Thought it was you since you posted it on CF too.

[SnooSnoo]

I posted it everywhere I could. I love messing with Cedar Point rumor fanboys. :P


PS: Cedar Point has a sense of humor.. http://twitter.com/cedarpoint/

[rctguy123]

I wonder if the ride is going to have some sort of lightning effects.

[Brawlstar032196]

Please, for the love of god, PLEASE let the TOGO thing be a joke.

[-Kasbian-]

GRAV!!












give us a hint please!!:p

[Crispylad]

Togo went out of buisness... You might as well eleminate that....

[rctguy123]

Good cause from what I heard, they suck.

[ytivarg]

GRAV!!












give us a hint please!!:p


I already have.

[-Kasbian-]

When??
Snoo Snoo only gave us one (Which could be true or untrue).

[ytivarg]

I'm not here to hold your hand and review my posts word for word with you.

[-Kasbian-]

Well....
I want you to anyways.:p

[ytivarg]

How's it feel to want?

[-Kasbian-]

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt84/SVT-GT500/smileys/headscratchsmiley.gif
You lost me.

[ytivarg]

Quite!

:haha:

[-Kasbian-]

Was that a hint?
Haha.

[rctguy123]

Well, the closest thing I could find to a hint in gravity's comments was LOP out of loop capitalized. This might be a hint or maybe I'm just crazy. :p

[fathorse]

TOGO is also a sandwich shop, as well as a tiny African country. FOOD for thought.

[Jart]

They're just trying to confuse us by throwing a load of names around. It could be anything. But I think it could be an El Loco. Just an idea...

[Cedar Point]

SKIPPER: THE RIDE

EDIT: Cedar Point witnessed many people enjoying the intamin settting of the park at sunset...

[SnooSnoo]

They're just trying to confuse us by throwing a load of names around. It could be anything. But I think it could be an El Loco. Just an idea...

No.. it won't be.

[TheFreshEffect]

It's nothing but mere speculation.

[AtomiCart]

They should take out Iron Dragon before the put anything new in. It's so bad, it saps the fun out of all the coasters around it. :down:

[~LoveTulie]

^Oh, you have no idea. Flight Deck at Kings Island owns Iron Dragon.

[AtomiCart]

Huh? In what regard? I know because, a) when I rode it, I hated it, and b) I rode BBW at BGE last spring and it was soo much better.

[~LoveTulie]

How did you hate it? I loved that ride! I always went in the back.

And well, it's faster, taller, it actually swings and goes around turns like that type of coaster should be. I personally think it's all around better than Iron Dragon. It's not even bumpy.

[AtomiCart]

Oh, no, I've never been on Flight Deck. I should have been more clear; I was referring to Iron Dragon in my last post.

[~LoveTulie]

OoOoh... :bulb: Haha, alright. :p

[rctguy123]

New hint on FB and Twitter.
"Harnesses? Check. Wheels? Check."

[-Bolt-]

Fanboys? Triple Check

[ytivarg]

Well, there's more clues about... Somewhere -- a blog? I forget... CP mentioned "Thanking their sponsors"... and if you point your browser the way of their sponsor page on their website:

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/news/general/sponsors.cfm

You'll see a new company has appeared... the Crystal Rock Bottling Company. Click that logo, and you'll head to:

www.whytelightning.com

Interesting. And, that glass ripple at the top of the bottle that's cleverly in the shape of a W for Whyte Lightning? Yeah, that's the Millennium Force "M" logo upside-down.

[bigb7965]

maybe they're gonna modify Milennium Force for the new season? :noob:

[ytivarg]

A-hyuk.... that's funny.

No, I think it's a nod to the fact that it'll be co-occupying Millennium Island.... or are we gonna call it "Crystal Rock" now? :D

[Crispylad]

This is my hint. Let's wait til' announcement :D . I hate all of these rumors :( . For instence , White Lightning . Everyone is saying that that's the new ride's name at Carowinds... Haha.

[-Bolt-]

OMG! The Whyte Lightning thing says West Virginia, so that could only mean one thing: Cedar Fair is gonna pick up West Virginia and drop it on the exact spot where Snoo's photoshopped sign is! GENIUS! GENIUS!!!

-Bolt-

[Harpo]

I'm away from my copy of Queen of American Watering Places right now, but, if my memory is serving me correctly, wasn't Crystal Rock a part of the early history of Cedar Point? I seem to recall a beer garden named something like Crystal Rock Palace.

Can anyone verify that information? (I won't be able to look at my Queen of American Watering Places book until Saturday at the earliest!)

(Wikipedia refers to it as Crystal Rock Castle, but I don't entirely trust Wikipedia!)

[Greatdrift]

I was thinking and came up with this!

Millennium Force will be transformed (like S:ROS) and it said on the top of page that lightning strikes twice. Millennium Force is the first then.

[-NGS-]

Or it could mean that lightning is striking twice in the form of a 2nd CF giga coaster (KD), or it could mean that the Carowinds and KD coasters are sister coasters, kind of like a new version of what SF did with the Bizarros.

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

It's either nothing or a water ride.

[Greatdrift]

Look at this!!!!!

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LOL, it seems that person who made those vids are kinda late

[Brawlstar032196]

I have the urge to go on Youtube and tell this kid about the TOGO thing, too...

[ytivarg]

...and the intamin thing... :noob:

[Crispylad]

Forget those videos =p , I'm just going to wait for the announcement. It really doesn't seem like it will be big... but if it is , I'll laugh.

[SnooSnoo]

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/poll/index.cfm

Don't forget to vote.. :P

[Brawlstar032196]

^^^ Intamin thing?

[-Bolt-]

^^I voted nothing is happening. You all shall pay me $5 when I am proven right.

No, srsly.

:bored:

[SnooSnoo]

Yeah hey no.

[rctguy123]

I'm just going to wait for the announcement, hope it is a coaster, and then find myself dissapointed when it isn't.

[Harpo]

Clearly that whole upside down Millennium Force M thing means that it will be a 310 foot tall, 300 foot drop at an 80 degree angle, 6595 foot long, 92 MPH INVERTED coaster. :haha:

[SnooSnoo]

^ With 3 loops.

[CedarPointer]

Oo.. no..
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9153/headache.jpg

[rctguy123]

:haha:^

[-Kasbian-]

^^NNNnnnOOOooo......:mad:
That spot is a tiny corner of the island.
Honestly I think its somthing small or a small coaster (or water ride) packing a thrill.
And with the economy the way it is, I highly doubt a huge coaster unless they saved a huge sum of money to buy something big/massive/unbelievable for the park yet.

[ytivarg]

Another park in the chain is getting a giga this year. If anyone thinks this is going to be something huge, they have no frickin' clue.

[-Kasbian-]

Was that a hint?
"...they have no frickin' clue."

[SnooSnoo]

No, it just means you have no clue.. at all.

[liamrocks]

Maybe its like they said in there little website ad? Crystal Rock is bringing in a restaurant maybe, to serve there drinks maybe? Its in black and white and you all seem to be trying to mislead us? Odd Watson, odd. :/

[fathorse]

New hint on FB and Twitter.
"Harnesses? Check. Wheels? Check."

Inverted toilet. God no one listens.

[SnooSnoo]

Or a toilet that goes from normal to inverted.

[Gilo]

Britney Spears: The Ride

[Behemoth08]

^
I'd ride that

[SnooSnoo]

^You would.

Silly Canadians.

[fathorse]

Britney Spears: The Ride

^
I'd ride that

Honestly, who in Hollywood hasn't ridden that? It must break down at least 3 times a day.

[CedarPointer]

New hint on FB and Twitter.
"Harnesses? Check. Wheels? Check."
Check-check-check-check-check...clear! :up:

[colbycx]

KD:1 CW:2 CP:3

I am guessing it is saying Kings dominion has one wooden roller coaster, Carowinds has two, Cedar point has three. It will be a woodie!

[Behemoth08]

CW is also Canada's Wonderland. I don't get why people say it's CWL when 'land' is part of 'wonder'.

[colbycx]

but cedar point commented on that post 'psst. it's carowinds'

[Wild 1]

^^^ One little problem with that, KD has 3 wooden coasters. Four if you count both sides of Rebel Yell.

[colbycx]

oh, i didn't know that. i just knew cedar point has three.

[SnooSnoo]

KD:1 CW:2 CP:3

I am guessing it is saying Kings dominion has one wooden roller coaster, Carowinds has two, Cedar point has three. It will be a woodie!

Or.. it is the order of the announcement?

KD first (20th)
CW second (26th)
CP third (January 12th)

Makes perfect sense.


And Cedar Point only has 2 woodies (BS and MS).. Gemini is a steel coaster with wooden supports love. ;)

[CedarPointer]

KD's is tallest, CW's is second tallest, and CP's will be third tallest.

[ytivarg]

A, B, C, it's easy as 1, 2, 3...

[-Kasbian-]

Well I have never been to Dollywood but Mystery Mine looks like fun.
Could it be a vertical drop coaster with a mine theme?
That would be pretty cool in my book.

Edit: Although it does sound like a woodie.

[colbycx]

well, lots of people classify gemini as a woodie. and don't call me love, creeper.

[ytivarg]

Do you really think a Eurofighter such as Mystery Mine has the capacity to be inside Cedar Point?

Think, then post.

Edit: ^ Lots of people classify other people as morons. Gemini is a steel rollercoaster.

[colbycx]

ok, whatever. but i think a eurofighter would be cool, although, youre right, there isn't room.

[ytivarg]

I never said there wasn't room for a Eurofighter... I said it didn't have the capacity to be inside Cedar Point.

Read, think, then post.

[-Kasbian-]

I meant a vertical drop coaster by B&M.
I think a very well mine themed one would be very nice.

[colbycx]

ok, my bad. i read it wrong. just lose youre attitude.

EDIT^ yea, and it would be good in the maverick area.

[ytivarg]

Attitude cannot be lost. We now return you to your regular scheduled programming. 1, 2, 3.

[AtomiCart]

Grav, does a Eurofighter not have good capacity? (Never actually seen one, so I'm genuinely curious...)

EDIT:
Britney Spears: The Ride

YES.

[ytivarg]

Eurofighter's have a "pen-and-paper" capacity of about 1,000 riders per hour... which is around the same as Wicked Twister, which only has one train.

It's just my personal opinion, but I think they'd probably go for something that can eat more people.

[AtomiCart]

1,000 RPH as opposed to what?

And I'd tend to agree with you. I couldn't really see CP having one built, even though it would be a lot of fun... The rides don't seem like the right scale for the park.

An Aquatrax would be amazing, but that's totally unlikely.

[ytivarg]

An aquatrax would offer an incredibly similar experience to Maverick. Generally, CP puts in rides that offer an experience different from what's already available in the park.

MF: 1,600 RPH
Magnum: 2,000 RPH
TTD: 1,500 RPH
Maverick: 1,200 RPH
Wicked Twister: 1,000 RPH
Raptor: 1,858 RPH
Mantis: 1,800 RPH


(Numbers pulled off Wikipedia, so accuracy isn't 100%, I'm sure)

[AtomiCart]

Hence the 'That's totally unlikely.'

Read, think, then post.

:p

[ytivarg]

Yeah, yeah. ;)


And, for comparisons sake, a few Eurofighters:

Mystery Mine: 1,000 RPH
SAW: The Ride: 1,100 RPH
Spongebob Rock Bottom Plunge: 750 RPH
Speed: 800 RPH

[AtomiCart]

Rock Bottom Plunge is 15 minutes away from my U.S. house... I haven't been back to ride it yet. :(

No, but I meant in comparison to some other CP rides? What's the normal capacity for rides like Raptor, MF, or TTD?

[ytivarg]

Read, think, then post. ;)

Look up a few posts.

[AtomiCart]

Knew that was gonna come back to bite me. I must have scanned over that the first time. :bulb:

\/ It does this every once in a while... I'm not sure why. I've already reported it.

[ytivarg]

15-minute double post? That's win.

[SnooSnoo]

well, lots of people classify gemini as a woodie. and don't call me love, creeper.

Just to clarify, ready what gravity said again.. creeper.

[colbycx]

um...ok... i know that it isn't a woodie now. i already said that.as gravity likes to say, read, think, then post.

[liamrocks]

Its no woodie. There makin' a GCI woodie. Silly.

[SnooSnoo]

um...ok... i know that it isn't a woodie now. i already said that.as gravity likes to say, read, think, then post.


You sure are talking a lot of smack for being here for about 15 minutes and still having no idea what you are talking about.

I was insulting you, if you had any idea how to read something.. think about something.. and then post a response.

Oo.. wait. Good job love.

[~LoveTulie]

um...ok... i know that it isn't a woodie now. i already said that.as gravity likes to say, read, think, then post.

I love you.

[-Kasbian-]

Tulie has a crush now does she???:p

[SnooSnoo]

She's all about first impressions. Once she actually talks to him and realizes he is a complete idiot.. things will change.

Same thing happened to GoliathPOV.

[fathorse]

Tulie's never loved me, I'm just too abrasive. Plus the clap probably didn't help either.

[ytivarg]

I love you.

Tulie has a crush now does she???:p

She's all about first impressions. Once she actually talks to him and realizes he is a complete idiot.. things will change.

Same thing happened to GoliathPOV.

Tulie's never loved me, I'm just too abrasive. Plus the clap probably didn't help either.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/59/trap.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=3046)

[SnooSnoo]

Tulie's never loved me, I'm just too abrasive. Plus the clap probably didn't help either.

YOU NEVER TOLD ME!

[ytivarg]

Today's Facebook status:

"Definitely NOT taking the Beemer out for a spin today. Or next year for that matter."

[colbycx]

I love you.


Uh, that's nice...?:p

[godsmuffinman]

Today's Facebook status:

"Definitely NOT taking the Beemer out for a spin today. Or next year for that matter."

I think that might be a hint that it will be expensive. I could be wrong, but I can't think of anything else it could mean.

[rctguy123]

I think it means no B&M.

[godsmuffinman]

Woah! Nice guess. That sounds very likely.

[rctguy123]

I noticed that on Twitter a few days ago there was a post that said "Laboring over these 2010 plans is exhausting!." Maybe this means that the announcement will be around Labor Day.

[Squid2]

It sounds like instead of naming the designer, they're naming the designers who aren't working on the coaster.

[-Bolt-]

So...if you're right Squid...

ZOMGGRAVITYGROUPWOODIELOLZBBQ!!!!1!!

Sorry, N00B moment.

[SnooSnoo]

Or.. it is a water ride.. :P

[ytivarg]

...or a food location. ;)

[Myn-o-mite]

It sounds like instead of naming the designer, they're naming the designers who aren't working on the coaster.

Exactly what I said at the beginning of this :p. MI dosen't have enough room for another coaster. If so where would the rest of it go like MF?

Oh and by the way West Virginia Wythe Lightning, is there a manufacuturer that is from that state?

clues clues clues

[zackness5]

ZOMGGRAVITYGROUPWOODIELOLZBBQ!!!!1!!

Sorry, N00B moment.

Or.. it is a water ride.. :P

...or a food location. ;)

eh your all wrong...but you get points for bein close. its gonna be a WOODEN water ride that will bring you through a tunnel where cannons will shoot food into your mouth...:up:

[ytivarg]

"Wow... that's a nasty black eye you got there"

"Yeah, I went to Cedar Point yesterday and got PELTED by a cheeseburger. ITWUZZSOAWZUM!"

[CedarPointer]

It's also possible that they're getting two attractions. ACE News "confirmed" an Intamin water ride a few years back, and now they're hinting at a coaster. Remember, 2010 is Kinzel's last year, and he says he wants to go out with a bang.

[Cedar Point]

Dick Kinzel will explode.

How's that for going out with a bang?

[Harpo]

And with the economy the way it is, I highly doubt a huge coaster unless they saved a huge sum of money to buy something big/massive/unbelievable for the park yet.

Cedar Fair has just done quite a bit of debt restructuring, and sold land by Canada's Wonderland for a net of $50 million. (All sale proceeds are going towards paying down debt.)

In their recent financial conference call, Cedar Fair said that 2010 capital spending would go back to normal levels -- around $89 million. (The capital spending was lower for 2009.)

They also stated how Behemoth and Diamondback have had a significant positive impact on revenues from Canada's Wonderland and Kings Island.

Since Cedar Point only had infrastructure improvements and a new light show for 2009, it is certainly due for a new ride in 2010. Keep in mind, Kings Island, Canada's Wonderland, and Cedar Point are the 3 seasonal Cedar Fair parks that bring in over 3 million visitors per year. (Knott's also brings in over 3 million, but it is open year-round.) As one of the 3 highest-attended parks, and the only one with 4 resort hotels, it would be unwise for Cedar Fair to neglect Cedar Point.

Also, keep a couple of other factors in mind. First, there's nothing that says that coasters can't intertwine. Cedar Point has mostly avoided such a thing, but, as space becomes tighter, I think intertwining is more likely to happen. So, a new ride on Millennium Island could partially intertwine with Millennium Force. Also, it is always possible that part of the ride will be on the island and part off, as is the case with Millennium Force. (Iron Dragon and Mantis also have parts on the smaller island -- I'm old enough to remember when Western Cruise went around both of the islands, when the dock was close to the current location of the Coasters restaurant. It went in a clockwise direction around the lagoons back then.)

Oh, one other thing to remember... Dick Kinzel was already due to retire when the Paramount parks were purchased. He delayed his retirement because of the purchase.

[CedarPointer]

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2006/12/22/fun-with-dick-and-chain.aspx
2010 it is.

[Harpo]

All it said is that the new deal keeps him through 2010. It doesn't say that it is impossible for there to be another deal to keep him longer.

When I saw him on opening weekend, I have to admit that he was really starting to show his age, so I wouldn't be surprised if he is ready to retire. However, he and his family own a lot of shares of Cedar Fair limited partner units, so he might be uneasy about retiring if he feels that he needs to do more to get the company moving in the right direction.

If he decides that he wants to stay longer, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the board were to give him another extension.

[jhynky6]

has anyone read the cp blog lately? it says that a coaster is celebrating 17 years in '10. i think that is Mean Streak. maybe last year's rumors of retracking it might be true.

the cp-3 thing on FB might mean that they will release what will be happening for the next 3 years

Here's my idea, which might (and probably is) wrong. while think about some of the facebook clues and the whyte lighting thing. what if for '10 they re-track MS, in '11 they add some thrill ride (like maXair or Skyhawk) then for '12 they add a new coaster, Whyte Lightning, possibly a smaller intamin by millenium.

jhynky6

[ytivarg]

There's no way they're announcing a coaster this year that won't open till 3 years from now.

You're clearly at least 3 feet away from your rocker.

[rctguy123]

^^ Mean Streak was '91. The blog post could have meant nothing, or it might be a clue. Does anybody know what ride was built in '93.

[ytivarg]

1993 was the year that brought us Snake River Falls.

[rctguy123]

Well then I wonder if whatever comes in 2010 will have anything to do with Snake River Falls.

[ytivarg]

There's been rumors of it's modification/removal of all sorts over the past few years. Especially back when Maverick was at the stage we are now and people were certain that was an Aquatrax.

A water themed ride was also brought up by Kinzel when maXair was introduced... citing the project was put on hold and the "pancake on a stick" was what we got instead.

I'm thinking there's going to be water involved somehow. Moreso than simply water cannons and fire hoses.

[~LoveTulie]

I think there's going to be water too. They say all this stuff about it being "refreshing".

[CedarPointer]

I actually doubt a water ride. CP has been steadily losing their water rides, AND they have an extra-charge waterpark next door. Fiscally, it would better for CF to have customers get Soaked.

[Myn-o-mite]

has anyone read the cp blog lately? it says that a coaster is celebrating 17 years in '10. i think that is Mean Streak. maybe last year's rumors of retracking it might be true.

the cp-3 thing on FB might mean that they will release what will be happening for the next 3 years

Here's my idea, which might (and probably is) wrong. while think about some of the facebook clues and the whyte lighting thing. what if for '10 they re-track MS, in '11 they add some thrill ride (like maXair or Skyhawk) then for '12 they add a new coaster, Whyte Lightning, possibly a smaller intamin by millenium.

jhynky6

You know what I was thinking that was similar. Millennium= Millennium Flyer. Lightning= Lightning Racer. GCI not saying that there will be one but close. Oh by the way MF's are GCI's signature trains, and Millennium has to do with CP. Do any of the other manufacturers named have anything to do with CP.

1993 was the year that brought us Snake River Falls.
Intamin celebration?
Intamin water ride = another Intamin water ride/coaster?

These are just thoughts and ideas. I just beleive any of these could come true but I'm not hoping or guesing any of these will come.

If CP does get a new coaster Intamin, B&M, or GG!

[~LoveTulie]

Sorry this is off-topic...

But anyone who thinks Millennium is boring, go in the front! It'll definitely change your mind. I rode it in the front on Sunday, and it was absolutely amazing. You actually get airtime! Definably worth the wait. And the view is amazing.

Oh, but tip: Don't ride the very front in the dark. If you've been to CP, you'll know what I'm talking about. :p

[ytivarg]

Millennium in the front is boring. The back seat is where it's at. Don't listen to the blonde one in the corner. ;)

[rctguy123]

I personally am a fan of the front.

[SnooSnoo]

It doesn't matter where you sit, the ride still sucks.. :P


But the front is the best seat.

[~LoveTulie]

Millennium in the front is boring. The back seat is where it's at. Don't listen to the blonde one in the corner. ;)

I've ridden the second last car of Millenium if that counts. I didn't find it anything spectacular, and I found more airtime near the front!

It doesn't matter where you sit, the ride still sucks.. :P


But the front is the best seat.

Oh come on Snoo! At least there is semi-decent airtime in the front! :p

[Harpo]

I tend to ride in the very back seat for MF, and, all these years later, I still get a charge out of it. I will ride in the front when the line is fairly short, but it's usually longer than I consider to be worth it.

Riding the front at night, such comments have been heard:

Guy 1: "Say, look at that happy Millennium Force rider!"
Guy 2: "How do you know he's happy and that he rode Millennium Force?"
Guy 1: "By the bugs in his teeth!"

Mmmmm, yummy protein.

[SnooSnoo]

Oh come on Snoo! At least there is semi-decent airtime in the front! :p

No. I find Millennium Force to be.. well.. airtimeless.

Great for speed and the.. well kinda scary drop 9 years ago.. but for airtime? I'll punch someone in the face if they think that it has good airtime.. or I'll tell them to ride something which actually HAS airtime, then get back to me, so I can punch them in the face.

[CedarPointer]

Diamondback has more airtime than MF. Personally, I like it much better.

[ytivarg]

The only airtime I experience on Millennium is the return from Millennium Island. That bit of extended floater air is my favorite air on any coaster anywhere.

I'd also like to see you try to punch me in the face. :bulb:

[SnooSnoo]

I'll be over.. or I'll take you somewhere to ride some real airtime.. then do it while we are driving back. :P

[Harpo]

No. I find Millennium Force to be.. well.. airtimeless.

Great for speed and the.. well kinda scary drop 9 years ago.. but for airtime? I'll punch someone in the face if they think that it has good airtime.. or I'll tell them to ride something which actually HAS airtime, then get back to me, so I can punch them in the face.

You've got to cut back on the donuts so you can get some more air! ;) (Yeah, I'm just kidding.)

Anyone remember the TV special about Cedar Point where Kinzel was riding Millennium Force? He left a bit of a gap when pulling down the harness, saying "There's nothing wrong with a little air!" (Or words to that effect, I don't recall the exact quote.) I don't want to encourage the behavior, but leaving a bit of a gap does actually provide a bit better airtime feeling on MF.

While I do not think that MF has the best airtime in the world (or even close), I think it is better than many people realize... as a stark contrast to Magnum which has violent airtime, the airtime on MF sort of sneaks up on you due to the smooth curve of the hills. The reason it is more noticeable when leaving a bit of a lapbar gap is because you'll go over a hill, not really realize you're floating, and suddenly notice, "Gee, I'm now resting against the lapbar. I guess there is airtime here."

Anyway, like I said, I really don't want to encourage any unsafe behavior, so fasten that lapbar appropriately, even if Mr. Kinzel leaves a bit of a gap! :D

[SnooSnoo]

^We have B&M Hypers for 'sneaking up on you' airtime on parabolic hills.

Plus, you don't need to do anything unsafe on those.. although I could have sworn I could have gotten out of Diamondback my restraint was so loose. :P

[Obi_Wan_Cannoli]

In you guys' opinion, what coaster has the best and/or most airtime?

[CedarPointer]

Most, for me, would be Diamondback. <3

Anyone remember the TV special about Cedar Point where Kinzel was riding Millennium Force? He left a bit of a gap when pulling down the harness, saying "There's nothing wrong with a little air!" (Or words to that effect, I don't recall the exact quote.) I don't want to encourage the behavior, but leaving a bit of a gap does actually provide a bit better airtime feeling on MF.

Some restraints just BEG to be left up a little- Premier lapbars, PTC lapbars, Arrow OTSRs, and B&M Cedar Fair train lapbars (Diamondback/Behemoth/Intimidator) for me.

[SnooSnoo]

^When I rode Diamondback for the first time.. the ops let me set it as high as I wanted to and they pulled back, didnt push down.

Hence.. ****ING AWESOME!

And my favorite airtime? Well.. I do have a Top 10. :)

[CedarPointer]

I tend to just push mine down to the black line. :up: Never had it get stapled.

[Harpo]

Well, if you leave a bit of a gap on any coaster, you are engaging in unsafe behavior. Now, if the gap is small enough, you're not going to be thrown out of the ride, but, on modern coasters, most of them are designed with the intent of them resting against your lap.

Some of my favorite airtime coasters include Magnum, Blue Streak (especially when it had its old lap bars -- I really miss those!), Screechin' Eagle at LeSourdsville Lake (defunct), Jack Rabbit at Kennywood (love that double-down!), Shivering Timbers (50 lashes with a wet noodle for calling it Shiver Me Timbers), The Voyage, and El Toro. There are others with excellent airtime, but those are the ones that really stood out in my mind as having memorable airtime.

[callmecosmo]

Blue Streak with the old lap bars-a little gap and a loose seatbelt was by far the best air time you could get. Slightly unsafe, but fun everytime. I miss the old lap bars.

As to ride speculation, I have none, but I am enjoying the discussion and the suspense.

[linkin.park.4]

the blue streak didn't have only a little gap.. on some seats you could lift up the lap bar all the way.

i remember standing up while riding that ride before...

[SnooSnoo]

Jack Rabbit's double down is some of the best airtime anyone can get.. ever. :)

[Harpo]

Blue Streak with the old lap bars-a little gap and a loose seatbelt was by far the best air time you could get. Slightly unsafe, but fun everytime. I miss the old lap bars.


Loose seatbelt? Wuss! With those old lapbars, most people I know never fastened the seatbelts! And yet, somehow, we all survived! :D With the old lapbars and without seatbelts fastened, it was almost impossible to avoid standing on Blue Streak -- ah, those were the days!

(With a 7 month old baby, my wife and I talk about how, when we were growing up, the "car seat" consisted of mom's arm! With all the regulations now in place for safety, we can't help but wonder how we ever survived! Yes, we do strap our baby in a car seat, partially because it is law, but mostly because we think it is a smart thing to do. It just amazes us how much has changed safety-wise in the past 40+ years.)

[rctguy123]

Has anybody checked FB or Twitter recently?

"We're getting closer to our 2010 announcement. We narrow down the list of possibilities this week."

[Rupeeman]

Jack Rabbit's double down is some of the best airtime anyone can get.. ever. :)
Pfft...see this.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2334/rutschebanen.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/rutschebanen.jpg/)
This rides guarantee you to have your butt fly out of the seat.:D:up:

[tycooner55]

Pfft...see this.

This rides guarantee you to have your butt fly out of the seat.:D:up:

Umm...try this :)

http://www.rcdb.com/120.htm?p=219

[rctguy123]

Well, we know one of the things it won't be.
From Twitter today:
"Aquatrax??? Not in 2010..."

[ytivarg]

2010 is NOT a Togo or GCI.

Sorry, GCI fans..

[AtomiCart]

But why would anyone even want a TOGO?

[ytivarg]

I didn't know TOGO was still making rides :bulb: Are they?

They're now just eliminating possibilities... or the crap they said a month ago to get everyone riled up.

[AtomiCart]

I hope they're not. If they are, we should put together some sort of public service announcement warning people to stay away from any and all TOGO coasters...

When exactly is the final announcement being made?

[ytivarg]

At least not until after Carowinds is announced.

[AtomiCart]

And what's the nature of that announcement?

[ytivarg]

Dunno... the whole KD:1 CW:2 CP:3 thing was the order of the announcements...

[~LoveTulie]

Does anyone think it'll be another Intamin? I personally hope not.. they basically have every type of Intamin it seems..

[ytivarg]

It would not surprise me if it's an Intamin.

[AtomiCart]

Intamin would be interesting. Speaking of Intamin, what's Disaster Transport like? I missed it when I was there a few years ago...

[~LoveTulie]

It would not surprise me if it's an Intamin.

What other types of Intamins are there, though? An Intamin Looper like Collosus maybe, but that would be similar to Maverick..

Intamin would be interesting. Speaking of Intamin, what's Disaster Transport like? I missed it when I was there a few years ago...

It sucks. Only good for air conditioning.

[rctguy123]

I doubt it will be an Intamin. I think the new coaster (If it is a coaster) will be a family ride.

[ytivarg]

Water will be involved.

[rctguy123]

^ Doesn't mean that you will get wet.
I don't think it will be a water ride.

[ytivarg]

^ Doesn't mean that you won't.
Doesn't mean that it isn't.

[rctguy123]

Well, if it is a water ride, I hope it isn't one where you get soaked.

[callmecosmo]

Here is an interesting, but I think already known clue. However, the picture adds some mystery.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/blog/index.cfm?entry=8e73bb01-c13c-486d-9604-a186e4a8d838

Seems they are finally paying some attention to Frontier Trail.

[ytivarg]

Nice bottles! ;)

http://www.whytelightning.com/ got a bit of an update?


Would that be a hair of the dog that bit ya?

[rctguy123]

^^ I wonder if the three Xs on the bottle mean anything.

^ I don't get the dog thing.

[Brawlstar032196]

Dog = Snoopy?

So this new "project" is gonna be called Whyte Lightnin? How original...

[rctguy123]

Well, that was kinda my first guess, but it doesn't look anything like Snoopy.

[Brawlstar032196]

Gotta point, maybe it has something to do with a section of the park? I've never been to CP, so really I wouldnt know...

[rctguy123]

That link that Gravity posted is probably full of clues. Like at the top where it says "lightning strikes twYce."

[~LoveTulie]

The dog is in the position you see people on a flying coaster, with their arms dangling. I know, very silly observation! :haha:

[-LiLDaReDeViL5-]

Guys, I hope I'm wrong with my observation:
Lightning Never Strikes Twice? What did Canada's Wonderland get? Snoopy rides. Now there is a dog on the top of the bottle. Are they hinting at a Snoopy expansion?

Again, I hope I look back at that idea and laugh, because like you guys I'm hoping for a coaster.

[~LoveTulie]

Sadly, that is true. Camp Snoopy isn't that popular last time I walked through it, and that cleared patch of land is right by Camp Snoopy. :(

[ytivarg]

Yeah, because that Whyte Lightning logo has anything to do with Snoopy.

:rolleyes: :haha:

[~LoveTulie]

Oh hush! I'm slow okay. :noob:

[ytivarg]

Well, Carowinds announcement is supposed to be at 11am today (Wednesday)...

Then, it will be our turn. ;)

[rctguy123]

Finally.

[ytivarg]

Big debacle over the Carowinds name... they've got signs leading to both a "White Lightning" name and an "Intimidator" name. More leaning towards the Intimidator thing... but, I really hope we're not passing off the same name two times in a row.

[~LoveTulie]

Cedar Fair must not do this! That'll be like, Six Flags. :p

[TheFreshEffect]

I just found this on their twitter, looks official to me!

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2641/55254462.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/55254462.jpg/)

[Harpo]

Guys, I hope I'm wrong with my observation:
Lightning Never Strikes Twice? What did Canada's Wonderland get? Snoopy rides. Now there is a dog on the top of the bottle. Are they hinting at a Snoopy expansion?

Again, I hope I look back at that idea and laugh, because like you guys I'm hoping for a coaster.

Well, keep in mind that 2008 was Planet Snoopy, so I wouldn't expect a Camp Snoopy expansion this year.

If I were to take a look at the "Cedar Point Coaster Races" at Detroit's Comerica Park during the Tiger games, along with the thought of lightning striking twice (twYce?), it would be easy to get thoughts of a new racing coaster. It's not really what I'm expecting, but it would be bold, exciting, and, to a coaster enthusiast, refreshing! :D In the Cedar Point Coaster Races, there's a portion where the two tracks are racing one over the top of the other -- from the air, it could look like a Y as the tracks go from side-to-side to top-and-bottom. But, I think that's stretching it a bit, although it is a fun speculation!

[rctguy123]

Well, since Carowinds got Intimidator, that means that what we get will most likely be Whyte Lightning.