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Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 10:53 AM
Hopkins student kills man with samurai sword
Intruder was repeat offender, released from prison Saturday

Hours earlier, someone had broken into John Pontolillo's house and taken two laptops and a video-game console. Now it was past midnight, and he heard noises coming from the garage out back.

The Johns Hopkins University undergraduate didn't run. He didn't call the police. He grabbed his samurai sword.

With the 3- to 5-foot-long, razor-sharp weapon in hand, police say, Pontolillo crept toward the noise. He noticed a side door in the garage had been pried open. When a man inside lunged at him, police say, the confrontation was fatal.

"He was backed up against a corner and either out of fear or out of panic, he just struck the sword with force," said Baltimore Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. "It was probably with fear for his life."

Pontolillo, who rents the house in the 300 block of E. University Parkway in the Oakenshawe neighborhood, struck the intruder no more than twice, police say, nearly severing his left hand and inflicting what police termed a "spear laceration."

The intruder, Donald D. Rice of Baltimore, a 49-year-old repeat offender who had been released from jail only Saturday, died at the bloody scene.

Pontolillo, 20, of Wall, N.J., whose identity was confirmed by law enforcement sources, was released late Tuesday afternoon. Guglielmi said it would be up to the state's attorney's office to determine whether he will be charged in the incident.

In a statement Tuesday, Hopkins officials told students there had been more than a half-dozen burglaries in the area recently, and that police presence would be bolstered.

Diego Ardila, a Hopkins student who lived with Pontolillo in the three-story, five-bedroom house during the summer, said Pontolillo owned a samurai sword and generally kept it in his room. He described Pontolillo as somewhat outgoing, but said they didn't talk a lot.

"You don't expect to hear that someone you know killed a guy with a samurai sword," said Ardila, 19. "From what little I know of him, he wasn't some guy going out to kill."

It is legal to possess a sword in Baltimore, Guglielmi said, and "individuals have a right to defend their person and their property." He declined to comment on whether its use in this case was appropriate.

University of Maryland professor David Gray, who specializes in criminal law, said prosecutors must weigh whether Pontolillo felt his life was in danger or whether he became the aggressor.

In Maryland, Gray said, an individual is not expected to retreat from suspected danger in his own home. But it is unclear how the law applies to an enclosed backyard.

If the student felt he was in danger of severe bodily harm, then he was within his right to protect himself, Gray said: "It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a sword or a frying pan."

The sword police recovered from the scene, with a sharp blade and ribbon-wrapped hilt, is a replica of a historic samurai weapon. Though a real one would cost thousands of dollars, Guglielmi said, this one probably cost a few hundred.

The police spokesman said the student who wielded the weapon had no advanced sword training. "He wasn't a ninja," Guglielmi said. "He may have been moderately trained or on the intermediate level."

Hundreds of varieties of samurai swords are available online to collectors and hobbyists, martial arts enthusiasts and students of swordplay through stores such as Steve Dibble's Japanese Swords 4 Samurai site, based in Birmingham, Ala.

His swords range in price from about $50 for the model called the "Kill Bill," after the violent Quentin Tarantino films, to more than $2,000 for a handmade "Katana" forged of steel, a hilt wrapped in leather and silk, and decorative flourishes of silver.

Midrange swords, the type apparently used in the Baltimore incident, are those likeliest used at martial arts schools, he said, where students want a weapon sharp enough to cut.

To inflict lethal damage requires some skill, Dibble said.

"To be that confident with it that he would go grab it, he may have been into martial arts," he said. "You would have to hold it with two hands and be confident that you would really know what you were doing."

Mantis Swords, an online outlet based in Westminster, specializes in sharp weapons. "Our swords are ready for cutting," owner Shawn Salafia said.

Salafia sells mats that people can soak in water so that when they dry, they'll be roughly the consistency of a person.

"You stick them on a stand, and you cut them," he said. "If someone laid their hand into it, you could probably cut into it pretty darn deep."

By Tuesday afternoon, two pools of blood remained on the ground a few feet away from the door to the garage, which is not connected to the home. A gate in a wooden fence surrounding the backyard was broken, allowing the scene to be viewed from the sidewalk.

Michael Hughes, who lives about a block away in the neighborhood, heard screams early Tuesday.

"I could hear the fear in the voice, and I could tell someone was scared," said Hughes, 43, who works for Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health.

He called police and then walked over to the crime scene.

"The body was near the garage," he said. "I watched them carry the sword out. The whole thing was surreal and totally bizarre."

Rice, of the 600 block of East 27th St. in Baltimore, had 29 prior convictions for crimes such as breaking and entering, Guglielmi said. He had been released Saturday from the Baltimore County Detention Center, where he had been held after his arrest by county police last year for stealing a car in the city. He was found guilty in December of unauthorized removal of property and was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

The incident was the second this week in which a man was wounded trying to commit a robbery. An off-duty Baltimore police officer shot and critically wounded a man who had tried to rob him at gunpoint in his Northeast Baltimore home, according to police. He chased the man for two blocks before opening fire, police said.

Baltimore Sun reporter Justin Fenton contributed to this article.


I'm actually guessing that the guy did have some training, I can picture the 2 strikes in my head.

epicsoundwave
09-16-2009, 11:06 AM
Of course he had training if he knew how to strike with one in the first place. that or just dumb luck.

Loki
09-16-2009, 11:06 AM
The police spokesman said the student who wielded the weapon had no advanced sword training. "He wasn't a ninja," Guglielmi said. "He may have been moderately trained or on the intermediate level."

What an idiot. Why would a ninja use a samurai sword...

epicsoundwave
09-16-2009, 11:08 AM
What an idiot. Why would a ninja use a samurai sword...

Although shorter swords and daggers were used, the katana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana) was probably the ninja's weapon of choice, and was sometimes carried on the back.:rolleyes:

Ominous Gamer
09-16-2009, 11:11 AM
Most of my friends have some sort of sword collection, usually mail order or mall purchased.
I make fun of them everytime I see one of the swords.

Never mind that they haven't had them prepped, and don't know how to use them; I'm going to take flack thanks to this dumbass burglar :mad:

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 11:14 AM
No, you don't need training to kill someone with a sword. Especially with a slashing-push/pull weapon like a Katana. A swing like a baseball bat can do the job if you connect.

Based upon the injuries however: a nearly severed hand then a 'spear laceration', which sounds like it was not a puncture but a slash to the body/neck/leg/armpit, which is what this sword is meant to do.

This is a standard one-two cut attack routine with this type of blade...if the description and my interpretation is accurate.

Loki
09-16-2009, 11:17 AM
:rolleyes:

Most fighters in Japan at that time would have used katanas. The use of katanas isn't what separated ninjas from other fighters. Ninjas were known for conducting espionage and committing assassinations. Neither make much use of a katana. :bored:

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 11:17 AM
What an idiot. Why would a ninja use a samurai sword...

I know your joking, but ninjas (like any other well trained combatant) would know how to use a multitude of weapons.

The ninja-to that movies like to show our pajama clad anti-heroes use is just one tool in the arsenal and has pluses and minuses in combat just like any other.

EDIT: and wrt to you comment above: espionage also includes disguise...and a katana could draw less attention than a ninja-to in some circumstances...

and we are not really talking about Feudal Japan ninjas, but modern day ninjutsu...which training can include the katana.

Loki
09-16-2009, 11:19 AM
I know your joking, but ninjas (like any other well trained combatant) would know how to use a multitude of weapons.

The ninja-to that movies like to show our pajama clad anti-heroes use is just one tool in the arsenal and has pluses and minuses in combat just like any other.

But knowing how to use a katana wasn't some unique ninja skill...they should have said training as a samurai, since using a katana was actually their main skill.

Ominous Gamer
09-16-2009, 11:22 AM
Which is going to relate more to a campus cop and population, ninjas and pirates, or samurai?

As its already been shown, saying ninja wasn't wrong, even if Loki feels it wasn't the most exact answer.

epicsoundwave
09-16-2009, 11:22 AM
Most fighters in Japan at that time would have used katanas. The use of katanas isn't what separated ninjas from other fighters. Ninjas were known for conducting espionage and committing assassinations. Neither make much use of a katana. :bored:

I'm not attempting to start a debate. i just felt the need to correct your statement of "why would a ninja use a samurai sword" it's pretty common knowledge ninja made use of the katana, which was known as a "samurai sword"

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 11:25 AM
But knowing how to use a katana wasn't some unique ninja skill...they should have said training as a samurai, since using a katana was actually their main skill.

correct, but this is a cop and a reporter we are talking about here...neither of which feels a need to be accurate about this little historical tidbit.

Nessus
09-16-2009, 12:11 PM
I hope other potential thieves learn a lesson from this.
Has the removal of hands-policy taught Mohammedan thieves anything?

Loki
09-16-2009, 12:15 PM
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur_percap-crime-burglaries-per-capita

Nessus
09-16-2009, 12:19 PM
Another reason why the Schutzstaffel had a good thing going, I guess :D

Nessus
09-16-2009, 12:49 PM
Has the removal of your ***** taught you anything?

My liver? Damn filtering. I can't imagine that Atari would censor a word like penis, either. Would you like me to re-post that dialogue we had where you threatened to have me killed, believing for some bizarre reason I was in fact Hazir? Both of us are still alive, insofar as I know.

Religion of peace indeed.

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 12:53 PM
I hope other potential thieves learn a lesson from this.

Don't initiate combat with someone that is armed with a sword?

Nessus
09-16-2009, 12:58 PM
Your welcome to repost what ever you want to.

I'm glad you posted like you did. It was the sort of reply I was looking for. I was thinking this person has no brain. I was going to post that, but thought I may as well post with stars to leave what I post to your imagination, as you may have perceived I was trying to offend you at your choice of something as you were trying to offend me in mine.

Back to the serious bit. If you want a serious dialogue, I suggest you at least post in a respectful manner and stop using derogatory terms. I know your smarter than that and you can understand what I'm saying. Otherwise, why should I respect you, a person who follows the exact political philosophy that lead to at least WW2?

"you're".

Respect? Why should I offer any modicum of respect to a religion that respects none but its own adherents? There can be no peaceful or polite resolution to the Mohammedan problem.

Also congrats on the WW2 remark, it only says "national socialist" on my CT, what a cerebral conquest it must have been for you to connect these two dots.

oldmunchkin
09-16-2009, 01:00 PM
I had to laugh when I read this article! :D I am betting that burglar had no idea how bad his night was really going to be!

As far as having a sword...good grief. I know many people with "blade" collections, everything from 1/4 inch pocketknives to massive swords. I don't find him having a sword to be all that odd. :bulb:

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 01:02 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of 'don't ever think people won't defend their homes'. If someone came in my home like that, I can not guarantee that they will not be met with a similar fate.

Just pickin on ya...I actually concur with the thought. I have a sword in my bedroom within easy reach.

I'm a fan of the Ender Wiggin theory on how to deal with an enemy...

Nessus
09-16-2009, 01:03 PM
Then it's settled. You are refusing to be reasonable by your own admission in any discussion and debate and are therefore not worth a millisecond of my time further. See you.
As long as you are riddled with that ridiculous faith of yours, you are incapable by definition of reason. And it is my fervent hope I see you in the circumstances I dream of, not the ones in your dreams. Europe has been raped enough as is.

Veldan Rath
09-16-2009, 01:11 PM
Weren't they making a film about that char? Is it out yet?

I have no info on that.

I'm not sure it would translate well to the big screen.

Lewkowski
09-16-2009, 08:37 PM
SWEET! Another criminal dead! And I didn't post the article... amazing.

Nessus
09-16-2009, 11:07 PM
SWEET! Another criminal dead!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/SinWithSebastian/auschwitz_gate_1.jpg

Illusions
09-16-2009, 11:46 PM
SWEET! Another criminal dead! And I didn't post the article... amazing.

I see you've failed to make the connection here...in your threads, the criminals are usually fleeing when they're shot. In this thread the criminal was trying to attack the person he was robbing, and that person happened to have a sword. Also from the fact that the guy survived for a short while after the attack and died on the way to the hospital, it seems pretty apparent that this case the guy was defending himself, not trying to kill the thief. :bored:

...so how about that Jesus guy?

Veldan Rath
09-17-2009, 01:57 AM
On behalf of Lewk (as I doubt he'll respond...)

Touche!

:)

DeR
09-17-2009, 02:06 AM
Wasn't Jesus a criminal?

Lebanese Dragon
09-17-2009, 04:27 AM
What an idiot. Why would a ninja use a samurai sword...

Granted.. but do you think this guy cares about such a meaningless disrepency that has nothing but beinga historical fact in todays context.

I personalyl wouldn't care if he got it wrong, just like I don't care if people mispronounce a given langauges word, if they're not versed in that language. I'd tell them the correct pronouciation if i knew it just to spread knoweldge, but other than that it's meaningless.


Guy was a repeat offender..... but damn that just horrible. I wonder how that 20 yeard old feel.. I mean just imagine at the age of 20 having killed someone.

On a sadistic note of humor I wonder if he got his game cartrideges back and stuff etc...


SWEET! Another criminal dead! And I didn't post the article... amazing.

Why do you have to be some damn happy about this stuff? You'd think hitler hired you out so you can aid in weeding out until we're left with the Ayrian race.

Timbuk2
09-17-2009, 06:11 AM
Wasn't Jesus a criminal?

Yuh. And he got killeded dead. :up:

Justice. :downcast:

luke_1990
09-17-2009, 07:17 AM
If the student felt he was in danger of severe bodily harm, then he was within his right to protect himself, Gray said: "It doesn't matter if he used a gun, a sword or a frying pan."
:bulb:

It does matter.
There's a big difference between manslaughter and protecting yourself, no need to get trigger happy.

Ominous Gamer
09-17-2009, 08:49 AM
:bulb:

It does matter.
There's a big difference between manslaughter and protecting yourself, no need to get trigger happy.

You misunderstood that quote. No one is comparing manslaughter to self defense. They are comparing the weapons.

You can kill someone with a frying pan as well I hope you know.

luke_1990
09-17-2009, 09:34 AM
Oh right, cheers for clarifying.

Yeah I know.

oldmunchkin
09-17-2009, 08:17 PM
It doesn't look like this guy is going to get into any trouble. :)

BALTIMORE (AP) - Baltimore homicide detectives don't believe a Johns Hopkins University student had "the intent to kill" when he used a samurai sword to confront an intruder behind his home, a police spokesman said Thursday.

John Pontolillo, 20, a junior chemistry major from New Jersey, killed the man with a single blow early Tuesday after police said the suspected burglar lunged at him.

Pontolillo has not been charged in the death of Donald D. Rice, 49, who had a long rap sheet of burglary arrests and was released from jail just two days before the altercation. Prosecutors will determine whether charges are appropriate after consulting with police, a process that could take weeks.

"We do not believe he went down there with the intent to kill somebody," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said of Pontolillo. "We're looking to see if he was the aggressor, and so far the evidence doesn't suggest that."

When Pontolillo saw Rice, he raised the sword and yelled for his roommates to call police, Guglielmi said. Rice lunged at the student, who backed up against a wall. At that point, Pontolillo struck Rice once with the sword, nearly severing Rice's left hand and causing a severe wound to his upper body. Rice died at the scene.

Guglielmi said Thursday that when the student found Rice, he was was hiding in the small, fenced courtyard between the back porch and the detached garage behind Pontolillo's off-campus home. Police had initially said Rice was hiding inside the garage.

Police also revealed that Pontolillo and his three roommates, all Hopkins students, had been warned by a city officer and a campus security officer late Monday about a suspicious person in the neighborhood just east of campus.

At that point, the students told the officers that Pontolillo's XBox video game console and two laptop computers had been stolen from their home earlier that night. Police investigated and found no signs of forced entry, according to police reports about the thefts.

After the officers left, Pontolillo retrieved the sword and decided to perform a more thorough search, including the garage and his car, Guglielmi said. The officers heard the screams during the encounter with Rice and rushed back to the scene, he said.

Pontolillo has not returned calls seeking comment. A man who answered the phone at the home of John A. Pontolillo of Belmar, N.J., said he had no comment.

Rice's sister, Peggy Rice, told WJZ-TV in Baltimore Wednesday that her brother did not deserve to die and that the student should be charged.

Lewkowski
09-17-2009, 09:29 PM
Why do you have to be some damn happy about this stuff? You'd think hitler hired you out so you can aid in weeding out until we're left with the Ayrian race.

How racist of you to assume the only criminals who die are non "Ayrian." Why are you so racist?

supermarioman
09-17-2009, 09:34 PM
How racist of you to assume the only criminals who die are non "Ayrian." Why are you so racist?
You can't call someone racist, only liberals can do that.:o

Illusions
09-18-2009, 10:03 AM
How racist of you to assume the only criminals who die are non "Ayrian." Why are you so racist?

Translation: Hello. I'm going to skip the more well thought out and logical replies to me, or the ones deriding me for being a blood-thirsty "Christian" so I can attack the most insanely illogical one.

Lewkowski
09-19-2009, 12:30 AM
You can't call someone racist, only liberals can do that.:o

What was I thinking! :p

Lebanese Dragon
09-19-2009, 06:56 AM
Translation: Hello. I'm going to skip the more well thought out and logical replies to me, or the ones deriding me for being a blood-thirsty "Christian" so I can attack the most insanely illogical one.

Tranlation: Illusions is a little B, that doesn't understand exaggeration.


Just becuase you don't understand it, I fail to see your leap where it thus is an illogical statement. If you can't see the exaggerated, key word here, parralel i was making between people having radical/extreme views that involved resorting to killing people who didn't meet their standards, then I suggest you take a history course.

And what do you mean well thought out, what is there to think about, lewk wants to kill people for stealing some random crap, regardless the context... Even the old testament merely suggested cutting off the blokes hand.
What is there to consider... .

Jesus on the other hand says you can make the same sin 777 times and he will forgive you 777 times. That of course doesn't mean he'll forgive you no matter, what, and that you can do whatever the hell you want.. it's just saying repentance is possible, adjusting your perspective, understanding, is possible to go from someone who A was a theif for X number of years, and later denounces it. A good person can become bad, and a bad person good.

How racist of you to assume the only criminals who die are non "Ayrian." Why are you so racist?

You also take things to literally.. when have you said anything about the aryian race.. when? tell me? how can you take it that i literally mean you want the aryian race to exist only? Scratch your head for a second and think.. Wait I can't mean that literlaly becuase you've NEVER said anything about supporting the aryian race. Maybe.. just maybe i'm drawing a parrallell... wow? what is drawing a parallel mean LD? Is that like two parrallel lines in geomety? Yes you could make a good analogy through that example... Analogy? what's that LD?

Lewkowski
09-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Jesus on the other hand says you can make the same sin 777 times and he will forgive you 777 times. That of course doesn't mean he'll figure you no matter, what, and that you can do whatever the hell you want.. it's just saying repentance is possible, adjusting your perspective, understanding, is possible to go from someone who A was a theif for X number of years, and later denounces it. A good person can become bad, and a bad person good

Your math is off. Though I will acknowledge your point that forgiveness is possible. *Hey recall the thief on the cross? That execution was probably the best thing that happened to him because he came to know Jesus then and there.* However I like to celebrate society being safer. Just like when a rabid dog is put down, its good news. When a murdering drug lord is killed, awesome. When a child molester goes to prison, excellent news for society as a whole.

When a thief attempts to rob someone's house and the home is successfully defend. That is GREAT news. It is GREAT news because it makes other criminals afraid. The fact that the thief died is EXCELLENT news in terms of saving the country money, IE don't need to feed/house the scum in prison. And it is WONDERFUL news because more then likely that criminal will continue his way of crime after he is out of prison.

wow? what is drawing a parallel mean LD? Is that like two parrallel lines in geomety? Yes you could make a good analogy through that example...

*Head explodes*