Future CS Makers : A Guide for what to expect.

[Terraform]

If you are thinking of getting into making CS here is a little guide of what to expect from the Community.

#1 . Demands , you think you are making a set because you want to , but you will always get someone 'demanding' you release it now , suggesting what you put in it, and criticizing the way you did it.

#2 . Little Thanks , you will notice that if you do release something , it will be downloaded 50-100 times in one day , and oddly enough you will get 2 comments in the thread.Maybe.

#3 . You can expect the inevitable phrase , "what you should do" ...Everyone has a better way of doing it , a better suggestion for what to put in it , and a differant vision of what 'your' set should be.

#4 . Did I mention that you will get little Thanks? Expect to work hard and do what you can to make a free set for the community, and get nothing in return but alot of grief.

#5 . Expect to get alot PMs from strangers and people you know ,wanting a special piece "For My New Ride" It doesn't have to be that much....maybe "just a Fire Truck and One diagonal , and a few Cutouts of firemen and Maybe some Hoses and a burned out wall" and ,and ,and.
Did I mention I expect you to find the textures, edit the Textures , build the models , Import the CS , Download it to a site , post the link , "I promise you will get a small mention In the thread." And If I remember I may say "Thank You"

#6 . You will run into problems , and this much I will say , other users on this forum are very helpful to CS makers. There are some people who are very good about answering your questions if you have problems. You just need to ask.

#7 . You can expect to get mad , close your threads ,and quit playing the game, because all the fun has been leeched out of the game for you.
The Constant download link problems and installation problems become your problems. Doesn't matter if everything is fine , the newbs will screw it up and blame it on you .

#8 . I think you will find that making CS is not moving deeper into the game , but a hallway leading to the door.

In conclusion , I am glad for all the knowlege I have gained from attempting to learn to make good CS. I will continue to make stuff for myself , and if I have something that resembles a set , I might post it.
No more requests , no more threads , and maybe at the end of the hall.
Feel free to add your own conclusions , criticize , as I know you will. And Spam Away , as nothing on these forums is serious anymore .

Here are a few of my favorite quotes
I dislike you, and your list.
I dislike this thread. I hate it totally and utterly. Hmm, I don't know but I just have a problem with it.


Old-Spice (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=269559)
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So... now we have ourselves a little strike. Personally, I am sick of all the crap you guys dish out on a constant basis. I run things the way that i do for a reason. I am terribly sorry for not changing the thread's names, but not everything is being worked on..

I have limited time on my hands, only a few hrs a day and sometimes not even that. I have a life too, but I try to devote all my time that I can to you, and this is how I am treated? Yea I work on several projects at once, so what? I get bored of one, and I just move to another, and I jump around so I don't drive myself crazy. That's why I have a few going, and I planed on releasing everything once I get the time and will to continue, because I just don't have the strive anymore...

I have given this game and you an incredible amount of time, time that I will never get back. Weather I was just creating the models, finding the textures, and what not, that's still my time and it seems as if i am wasting it with ungrateful people...

So I'm done, I have had enough of all you guy's arrogant, want want, gimme, gimme, ****ty attitude... All projects are now closed, and will not be reopened, and its not just this, its the others as well.... So don't be mad at me, your brought it upon yourselves...

So if you want a train, trees, planets.. you make em'

And remember , just because you can make good CS ,that doesn't mean you can demand people kiss your Butt!

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Thats right, my inbox is spammed with halo request! The I get this p.m. demanding:

Hey, saw ur Lonsword du u reckon u can make a pelican ctr and model for my new park called halo land :) :) :) :) :up:

Pelicanz r ez to make :) :up:

Thanz;) ;) ;) :p

I will save the author his embarassment.

[veryConfused]

Finally! I know it would be sooner or later when someone posted one of these threads, and I have to agree with absolutely every single thing you've said in here. Now needless to say, I don't get tons of time to actually leave comments becuase I'm usually getting stuff for the CS list when I'm going around to leave comments, so if I sometimes seem pretty blunt with my posts here, that's usually the reason for it. It's sort of my JOB to make sure that all of the links are working and what not, and it is probably even more frustrating and annoying than actually creating CS in the first place. I just hope that people don't just start getting up and leaving all at once over annoyances. I have tons of respect for you and Old-Spice, along with all of the other great CS creators, and it would make me sort of sad to see all of you guy's just get up and leave.

[Weber]

If you are thinking of getting into making CS here is a little guide of what to expect from the Community.
#5 . Expect to get alot PMs from strangers and people you know ,wanting a special piece "For My New Ride" It doesn't have to be that much....maybe "just a Fire Truck and One diagonal , and a few Cutouts of firemen and Maybe some Hoses and a burned out wall" and ,and ,and.
Did I mention I expect you to find the textures, edit the Textures , build the models , Import the CS , Download it to a site , post the link , "I promise you will get a small mention In the thread." And If I remember I may say "Thank You"

The Constant download link problems and installation problems become your problems. Doesn't matter if everything is fine , the newbs will screw it up and blame it on you .


Hey Terraform where's my firetruck!!! lol :haha:

And you shouldn't have download link problems anymore :)

[coasterfreak]

I think we all have felt that way, or been in that situation at one time or another......i know i have! I've even left for quite some time and just started my own sites! Then popped in here to see what was new, and CFR's were the new thing, and now i am back to give a couple new sets from me.......I really dont do them for me, yet i dont really do it for the community either. It's a challenge for me to see how much i can get my imagination into the game. I think of something challenging to make, (most likely it will be using animated textures) and then before you know it, it's turning out to become a set....some are small 25 piece, and others are full blown 100+ pieces. When peeps start to piss me off, i just start to ignore it anymore. These peeps will never go away, there will always be peeps like that, as long as CS, CFR, CTR are still being made and distributed to the community. Sometimes this is why I like to just make/finish a set then just give it to the community, than to start 2-3 pieces and have a non-drawn out thread with 600 views and only 3 replys.....even though my arcade games [wip] is like that. I say if we want to continue to make sets but without the hassle, just start 1 thread for yourself and your sets. Just add a list with the download links to them.....i don't know, it was just a thought.

seriously Old Spice, don't let these peeps get you pissed off, it's only words on screen, it's not like they are coming to your house and threatening you if you don't finish your sets for them.......if they care then they will wait, if they don't then they can just go to hell! OS you are a very well respected CS Creator in here anymore, you outdo my work by a worldly length, and even though you and i haven't/dont see eye to eye, you really shouldn't leave the community hanging like that.....you know you are the better man in this situation, start acting like it DAMNIT! ;)

[Weber]

For me I always liked art when I was younger and in school. So making cs is like a form of artwork where I can totally express my own creativity. And yes I want people to like what I make or what's the point of sharing it. If I wanted to I could just keep the cs for myself but that's no fun either. I've been fortunate so far as to not have any complaints or demands of my work. All comments have been generally thankful and appreciative of what I've done. I've only made 3 sets so far so I'll probably get the negative remarks later on.

[veryConfused]

See, I really am horrible at even having threads for my CS, but I will usually place something in my signature stating that I am working on a new set. Really don't give much details or anything until I get close to release. And my sets, so far, have all recieved one update. Some have had more than one though, but that's fart of the nice thing about my sets is that they are always in a constant working sort of areal, even when I say [REL] on the thread. Most people don't seem to realize that with me though. I also will take simple requests that have to do with what I'm working on at the time, assuming that the person can get in what tehy want to say before I have the download link up, which I'm usually pretty quick about doing, and I really need to find the time to not write such long posts and actually get to doing something more meaningful at some point. Anyways, I really have about 8-9 WIP currently regarding CS, it's just that I really don't say anything until they get close to release so I really don't get bugged about it in the first place, especially since I'm a really slow worker, and sort of a perfectionist too, but sometimes I can come up with things just off the top of my head, and other times, I will need help acutally coming up with ideas to actually use, but that really doesn't matter way too much at the current point, and it looks like I just wnet off into writing another novel here on the Atari Forums. I really need to figure out a nice in-between point for my post lengths and waht not so that people don't get bored, but at the same time to not look like I'm actually just spamming for no reason. This has been a really bad digression by veryConfused.

P.S. Weber, you're pretty lucky then, there were people who were all over me for one of my sets not fitting the name I gave to it. Most of that came from TheSkipper, who fortunatley isn't here to terrorize people in ways like that, and always seemed to have nasty comments bout almost everything I created no matter what it way, but then again, I couldn't even follow along with actually getting anything done at that point either. I mean, back when I first started, I would post a park, update it about once, and then move on to a new idea constalntly over and over and over again, and that would get annoying to me now too, but I guess I really didn't realize it at that point, and really I think that the newer CS creators are always the luckier ones who really don't have to worry at all about what other people are saying about their CS, becuase it never really gets justged against anything, even thought they are different sets with different objects and different everything, people still like comparing it to ther rest of the work that person has done, and we all have times where we cont have our best work, so it sort of gets really annoying really quickly when people make comments like that bout your parks or CS or whatever it is that you working on at any point in time, and there will always be people who are willing to comment rudely on just about everything, and clearly the best thing to do is just ingonre it, but sometimes that really doesn't even work at all, because people just really don't seem to care about anything like that anymore, especilly those who are all about me me me, and really think everyone is just around to serve them. It just gets to be supre annoying no matter how old or young someone is, and will really about cause everyhting to come out screwed up in the end. I'm, ust saying that there users here should be greatful that we even have a way of making CS in the first place. It's not like it just magically came off of trees overnight. That would be the best solution to the problem sadly, becuase of how some people just decide to act like they are the boss of everything, and it just gets super annoying over and over again, especially to those of us who are actually trying to just enjoy the game. Yes, it's only a game, and it's possible to live without it. And with that note, I think that I should stop this post about here before my keyboard catches on fire, or stops working, or some other similar nonsense that I can come up with someitme close to now. Oh and sorry for any spelling errors in here.

P.S.S. Like the nice big wall of text?

[coasterfreak]

The negative remarks, is what makes you a better CS maker....because then you find ways of making your models better for better sets.....

[LoneWolf7]

Thats right, my inbox is spammed with halo request! The I get this p.m. demanding:



I will save the author his embarassment.

This is very true, while I don't mind a suggestion, some of them can get out of hand, like...

Hey lonewolf, sorry if u dont know me very well, but i love your work. Not tryin to suck up or anything, just stating my opinion lol. So anyway, u know those jungle-themed letters in ur park Adventure Landing that are above some of the shops/facilities there? Well I was just wondering if u could make me a set of those, but in a different fotn. One that u think would go good with the name ****** would be great! Thanks!

Hello...
Well I was wondering if you can make me a cs logo that says "*********" on it...


These are not bad people by anymeans but I feel a little overwhelmed sometimes...

[Rct3Mike]

Ok, I'm guilty of #5 somewhat :haha: Although what you said is completely stretching the truth, and nothing like how I asked. You seemed to be really enjoying making CS, as you've been whipping out so many sets. I didn't mean to piss you off so much! I guess I wasn't really thinking that day...

I really really hope you have not been too discouraged from making CS, as I really enjoy all of your sets very much! I'll try to comment more on sets I've downloaded from you, if that's something you're looking for.

[veryConfused]

The negative remarks, is what makes you a better CS maker....because then you find ways of making your models better for better sets.....

Well, when's the last time having somebody for the most part tell you that you're doing absoltely everything wrong fell like, because those are the usual types of comments I'll get, but the again, it must be the username. I am serisouly thinking really hard about changing it, so don't be surprised if this username ends up dissappearing forever, beucse I'm starting to get sick and tired of people thinking that I have no clue how to do anything because of my username. It was just meant to be something funny at first, but over the long time I've been here, I've never really had much of any respect from anybody for it. I'm not saying that you're the one doing it though, Coasterfreak, it's just one of those things that's really getting on my nerves really easily right now, and I just feel like typing on and on and on about it.

[Albert Caine]

I can relate to this. CS is very frustrating and for the little comments and occasional "thank you" it sometimes just feels like it wasn't worth it. Then I remember joining the forums a few years back and being amazed at the great CS creators such as Jcat, Shyguy, DRP, Vodhin, and many more. I remember the great joy it brought to me when a new set was released. I am guilty of downloading and not posting in the creator's thread and thinking back I wish I would have said thanks. But the point I'm trying to make is that I keep going sometimes, in the hopes that there are many new members, such as myself a few years ago, who feel the same excitement that I felt when a set was released.

:cool: Albert Caine

[RCInsider]

Although I have seen this horrible treatment to all of you CS makers out there, not all of us are so bad. Looking at this list has taught me to be a little bit better, but I have always tried to credit the makers as many times as possible, and, understanding how difficult it is to do what you have done after trying myself, I try to give as much time to the person as possible and will not get all mad if they can not do it or have tried and have not been successful.

I do hope not all of the CS makers out there turn on the entire community, as there are many people out there who can be good to you, and all of our amazing creations really are amazing because of your CS, and we would be nowhere without you.

So I would like to thank all CS makers out there for making unbelievable creations, accepting some of us who have not been as thankful as we could have been, and not letting those who try to bring you down get in your way. Thank you!

[RedOctoberRCT3]

I like to refer to them as groupies!

[kamyk]

I'm very sorry some of you feel this way, and probably justifiably so. There certainly are enough people on here who do make a lot of demands.

Don't forget though that there are those of us on here who only provide suggestions if you ask for them, and who are encouraging of and grateful for your work.

To any of you who don't feel you are thanked enough, I'd like to say I thank you now, because I am grateful for your time, and effort.

[madshell]

For me, all in all CS making is a labor of love. You really have to be into what you are making. I make sets for myself to play with and I choose to share some of them with others hoping they will like it. That's why I've chosen to do Disney items (specifically Epcot, or "Xpcot") It makes me happy making them.

I've tried to do walls, artificial terrain, trees and a whole bunch of other experiments, but they got boring quickly for me. So I don't do them.

As for comments, I can say that I got wonderful ones, a lot of thank yous and good works! I do remember having someone DEMANDING I made an arm that said "Epcot" which I detested from day 1 at the real park. Not only was it not my idea, but it might have clearly linked my set to Epcot.

I would never submit myself to someone Else's requests, so I won't do it. That would be opening a big can of worms. I think that's why most CS makers don't do them.

When you post your CS, you're very much an artist. You should know that the public is reactionary and fickle, doubly so when they are anxious fans of entertainment and theme parks. Make it for yourself and share if you think people will enjoy it.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

The fact is, no one understands how hard and time consuming CS is until they actually do it. No amount of tutorials, pictures and written comments really give people an understanding of the labourious work involved. Then it is another thing all together when you try to perfect and make your models actually look good.

[gamer2456]

Yeah know had same problem in past with people want stuff me why stop doing cs but I think it about time do them again and start work on them not large set but small set for now .

I do agree with terraform you right a lot ungreat full people on this community that understand how much work go into this set .My policy is I'll take request only when feel like it don't leave open closet when say no more.

It take lot hard work do cs for set for community I know self still work few past set hope release someday. But all in all you right no video, or any tutorials going show someone how hard it is till that do it there self.

Also terraform I know sent you a lot suggest for set like said in PM they where not request just idea if I piss you off sorry man just try be good friend help you on some cool ideas. I neverment to make you mad and I hope you can forgive your great cs maker hope we can still befriends too.

[Mr.Panda]

This is exactly why I haven't released any of my sets that I made. It's also why I rarely come to Atari anymore. I see #2, #3, and #7 all the time. All though I didn't get much of any of that I know how it feels. I had a popular youtube account and I would always get people telling me to release my work and that my download links are. "broked" I understand how everyone feels, I felt the same way. But you have to though it out and let it slide because I can assure you it isn't that bad. Other than that good guide.

[Colors]

this should probably be stickied imo

[BackseatJunkie]

CS Survival 101
1. Keep what you are working on a secret till you are ready to *launch*.
2. If you feel the need to advertise what you are working on next....go into business....and charge for the downloads.
3. Change your signature to read ***I am not an employee of ATARI. I do not get paid to design CS sets. I design CS because doing so is fun for me. I share my designs because RCT series is SUPPOST to be fun. I like FUN. Work stays at work which provides a paycheck. I am not a waitress or a Disc Jockey....I do not take requests.***

Those of you who download other people's CS like it's next week's FAD....learn to say *THANX*, or *You are a CS GOD*, or *I love you*.

[Jonnyears]

this should probably be stickied imo

I disagree. This thread is completely unnecessary in that it presents several members in a very negative light and primarily disencourages people to even bother learning how to make custom scenery.

Yes, there are incidents which show a lack of appreciation, rudeness etc but the majority of people who post here are very polite and appreciative of the work CS makers put in.

Terraform, you've only recently started making CS but you're ever so quick to make these assumptions about people. On the surface, your opinion may be valid but people who are really involved with this community are aware that it's a minority of people who cause this trouble. Even that is incredibly insignificant but you decided to make this thread making this more of an issue than it should be. :down:

[Terraform]

Alot of Interesting comments here , I am not going to go through them all and comment.
RCT3 Mike , you didn't have to say anything , it was just an example and I did stretch it a bit , but there are many requests in my PMs , I had to empty the box 2 times this month.
This was a bit of a rant , But I felt like something should be said , as we as a community lost one of the best CS makers here due to the thoughtlessness of the users , (Myself included)
I really do enjoy the modeling and even get excited everytime I go to the game to test new CS.
I think it is fun to do this kind of thing and it makes me feel good to see my stuff in someone elses game.

I want you to stop and think for a minute though, You see all these Great Custom Supported roller Coasters on this site and others , They are not all built by J-Cat or Moby. Every One is built with Those two peoples time and effort. And has scenery added from a Multitude of other creators.

If eveyone were to just make it a point to post a Simple Thanks in a thread when you get something (if Possible) Which is what I try to do. And even show some pictures of what you made with the set. It would give the CS creators a little bit more incentive.

I am down right now , but not out.

[Jonnyears]

If eveyone were to just make it a point to post a Simple Thanks in a thread when you get something (if Possible) Which is what I try to do. And even show some pictures of what you made with the set. It would give the CS creators a little bit more incentive.

If that was your point, why didn't you say that in the first post? Instead, you just tell people how crap it is to be a CS maker...

[Terraform]

Well JY , and I know you don't like me much, and take every opportunity to find fault , It is this kind of nit pickyness(for lack of a better term) that is a big turn-off from these forums . Someone always has another opinion of the way it should be done , and they believe they are right .
You are actually the first to put this in a negative light. And you spout off about how "I" should have done it "YOUR" way.
Well I am not you , and there is alot of truth in the First post.
Its funny how you have attempted to make me the ungratefull one. You are pretty slick ,I'll give that . Other than that ,
that's still my time and it seems as if i am wasting it with ungrateful people...


#9 . Expect to grow a thick Skin , you will need it.

1481 set Downloads since reposting links on 9/11 (Over 4000before that) less than 50 comments.

[RCT3Callum]

Agreed, unfortunately. :(

Also, if you choose that you wish to work on more than one thing at a time, expect constant criticism for this choice.

[Archbak]

free country. we have to expect people to express themselves.

[gamer2456]

I agree with JY this thread in way is uncalled for this no reason but show new member a bad image of the community. I think this should do be closed new member don't see this thread run way really quick.

[spiderdusk]

I don't think so, this is reality and if people are too stupid/coward not to face it then just leave this comunity, we don't need you.
There are True CSO makers, True Artists, dedicating their time to make this game more playable than any game before, they don't do it only for us but for them, at first you are creating a CS pack because you need it, because you had a little spark in your head when you saw something was missing in the scenery of your park.
So if people here aren't smart enough to realise this then they can just go the door is wide open.

[Crowheart]

Would have preferred the thread without the references to specific people here, but still makes a lot of good points.

Considering how much the CS makers contribute to keeping this game alive, we do tend to bite the hand that feeds us an awful lot.

[wabigbear]

In my opinion the best advice is NOT to create CS with any expectations at all.

Make it for yourself. If you feel like sharing, then post a link. If you don't, then don't!

But don't sit by the screen waiting for people to heap praise on you or even to post thank you's. If that's what you're waiting for then you are going to be sorely disappointed.

For instance, generally speaking people refer to the Ghost Mine Ride Set as being Fisherman's, which suits me as that's who I made it for, and it doesn't bother me one bit when people thank him for the CS rather than me or if they don't say 'thanks' at all. Why? Because Derek already thanked me, what more can I expect? I didn't make it for THEM...I made it for HIM, and as long as he's happy then I'm happy. End of story. It should be the same if you make CS for yourself. If you are satified why do you need someone else's words?

Much of my CS doesn't even have my name on it, although I have to supply the alias if and when it goes on the CS List. I have quite a few CS sets that just a few people use that aren't released to everyone else, and if they show those pieces in screenshots they don't mention my name. That's my choice, I don't do it for other people's comments, I do it because I enjoy it.

I'll agree that it's rude for people to download stuff and not say thanks, but I'll also say it's a bit rude for people to browbeat other's if they don't. Does it really matter that much?

[Archbak]

Personally the actual comments don't bother me too much. they could tell me that my set sucked and i would't mind. As a CS creator you have to accept that if you open your project to the community they will tell you what they think. Afterall its a free country/world :/. If you don't like the communities response then you shouldn't be posting your work here.

I wouldn't expect a thankyou from everyone or a thread would never die because every one will be saying thankyou for everything they download. how annoying would it be if a 10 year old thread kept being revived because of someone saying thankyou.

I fully enjoy working as a CS even if its critisism. actually critisism normally quite good because when you do get it right people notice it and comment.

i think this is just a thread for us CS makers to let off some steam and probably isn constructive. nothing will change from this thread. I dont think the community should kiss our A**s for downloading. infact the most rewarding part of making CS is seeing it in someone elses park. i think thats thanks enough.

[spiderdusk]

Infact the most rewarding part of making CS is seeing it in someone elses park. i think thats thanks enough.

Best argument posted here. You captured the essence of what RCT3 is in my opinion.

[belotto33]

In my opinion the best advice is NOT to create CS with any expectations at all.

Make it for yourself. If you feel like sharing, then post a link. If you don't, then don't!

But don't sit by the screen waiting for people to heap praise on you or even to post thank you's. If that's what you're waiting for then you are going to be sorely disappointed.

...snip...

I'll agree that it's rude for people to download stuff and not say thanks, but I'll also say it's a bit rude for people to browbeat other's if they don't. Does it really matter that much?

Wise words, wabigbear. I´m afraid some members forget, that this is a forum, where not only tolerant adult people make comments, but 11 or 12 year old kids, who still have to learn kindness and proper behaviour.
The best solution is - ignoring.

PS. I love your sets (and I know you did them... :p:D)

Personally the actual comments don't bother me too much. they could tell me that my set sucked and i would't mind. As a CS creator you have to accept that if you open your project to the community they will tell you what they think. Afterall its a free country/world :/. If you don't like the communities response then you shouldn't be posting your work here.

I wouldn't expect a thankyou from everyone or a thread would never die because every one will be saying thankyou for everything they download. how annoying would it be if a 10 year old thread kept being revived because of someone saying thankyou.

I fully enjoy working as a CS even if its critisism. actually critisism normally quite good because when you do get it right people notice it and comment.

i think this is just a thread for us CS makers to let off some steam and probably isn constructive. nothing will change from this thread. I dont think the community should kiss our A**s for downloading. infact the most rewarding part of making CS is seeing it in someone elses park. i think thats thanks enough.

Thanks a lot for this comment, it shows exactly what CS Makers should do.
A compliment for a good work is nice, and seeing pieces you made in other parks/threads is a compliment.

Unfortunately I´m not able to make CS, but I love to see others work and - if I like it - I show it with a positive comment or a thank you.

[EvilIguana966]

If you go into modding a game because you expect some sort of accolades or wish to be treated in a special manner because of your status as an artist/creator, then you are doing it for the wrong reason and will be horribly disappointed. This is the internet we are dealing with. Your mod will be downloaded and used by random people of all personalities. Appreciation is implied by the fact that your mod is used at all, and you should take any thanks or encouragement as a bonus prize. If you release teasers or status updates, people are going to get excited and inquire about progress or release dates. Again, this is the INTERNET, and the requirements for getting on it are not particularly demanding. There will be jerks. If you can't accept the fact that some people are annoying, or rude, or immature, or demanding, then you are in trouble in general.

To Old Spice:
You are a very talented modder, and I'm very sorry to see you give up, but quite honestly I can't figure out what has you so upset. You are taking offense way too easily. You control what projects you pursue and when you release them. What some idiot says in a forum has essentially zero impact on you in the real world. It would be awfully nice if everyone behaved in an ideal fashion, but that is not going to happen. If you enjoy making your CS, I can see no reason why you couldn't keep doing it and just ignore the impatient folks who reply to your threads. If, on the other hand, you don't enjoy the process of creating your items and were instead doing it as some kind of favor for the community which it no longer deserves, then I'm sorry that you had to find out the hard way how game modding on the internet works. You were never going to get the kind of audience for your labors that you expected.

[Amplifyed]

I try to express my thanks as much as possible, it's the people that say "This sucks" that chase away CS makers. Of course, you guys have to remember these are the people who aren't treated well in real life, and just want to take their anger on someone else.
If you guys ever feel unappreciated, take the time to look at all the people who write "Wow, this looks fantastic!" or "This set looks great, but I think it could be improved by ___." (And so on.) Usually, the people who give constructive criticism are the people who appreciate the set the most. Because they take their time to write how they think the set could be better. I dunno. I try to show the most respect to the CS makers, seeing as I wouldn't be playing the game without them. And if I ever offend anyone in any way, please just tell me. Because I rarely ever try to offend anyone here. And it's never on the CS forum, that usually happens in the CC.

[RCT3Callum]

Amp, you're one of the few people I would accept a request off for CS. :)

[spiderdusk]

Oh and another thing, here we are talking about CS but i think we can expend it to RCT3 in general, parks, rides or even logo shops.

[Terraform]

gamer2456 ...I do agree with terraform


gamer2456...I agree with JY

LOL , funny really!!

[Amplifyed]

Well, it's not much of an issue in the tracks/parks forum, because the only reason people make that stuff is because they enjoy making it. If someone posts a hate comment, I just tend to ignore it, because it's not like I'm doing it just for the forum. It's fun!

[Archbak]

as amp said. The community are always ready to give you comments like "this set is amazing" despite both the CS creator and the writer knowing it isn't. That isnt a sign of a bad community. its a sign of a great one. Everyone relys on every one else. its a great community spirit. every tries to help.

If you were to check my asylum thread i ask the community a question on almost every post. the community is always ready to give me encouragement and ideas. The asylum would never have SAW aspects or the kitchen if it wasn't for the community. personally i think this is an amazing forum and CS makers shouldn't feel that they own the threads because they didnt get where they were today without people that they have made this thread to put down.

EDIT: i started writing just after amp's first comment :/ slow writer.

[Jonnyears]

LOL , funny really!!

There's nothing wrong with agreeing with two opposing opinions! :haha:

[Crowheart]

Perhaps he's a Republicrat Conserberal?

[Terraform]

Sorry, I missed all of page 2 and had to catch up . I learned alot from all these comments and am glad I brought some of this out into the open , I see there are very differant views on this .
The one thing that hit me as insightful\/
i think this is just a thread for us CS makers to let off some steam

But there are some really intelligent posts in this thread with some very good advice and viewpoints .
And I agree that Amp. is probably one of the few people that I would do a request for. (in fact i am)

[gamer2456]

Also I think some of you take this game too serious I mean it met to be fun and to me a lot cs maker and rider maker are make this like competition against each other for who can do best things.

Don't get wrong nice see all this cool rides and set but This forum went from fun to drama all time between everyone. I think stop try act like better cs maker or ride maker this forum will be more funner for everyone again old or new members.

We should try go back the old days where the cs maker made set for there enjoyment and other same
with rides. don't let bad comments get if someone demand release or POV who keep do set release your set or POV video when you are ready.

[ytivarg]

Here are a few of my favorite quotes

Originally Posted by ytivarg:
I dislike you, and your list.

Me disliking you has absolutely nothing to do with custom scenery or the creation of it.

I dislike you because you're a narrow-minded jerkoff.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Please sir, your not the only one here that has other opinions of other people. For example I could call YOU something, but there needs to be some civility in this world.

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, but many people do bite the hand that feeds them. I understand what it is like getting 1481 downloads but does not necessarily mean they have to post. Yes it is nice, but when you think about it, there are many CS makers out here and not everyone has an account or the time to post.

[kamyk]

If I ever finish any of my CS sets I am working on:

And 5 people are rude and impatient... There are 5 more rude and impatient people in the world than I was previously aware of - surprise surprise (no not really).

If 10 people thank me... There are 10 more polite grateful people in the world than I was aware of. Surprise surprise (seriously).

If 1000 people download my CS, then obviously 1000 people think I didn't waste my time. Different way to look at download numbers isn't it?

So I'll consider 1000 obvious applause, 10 trophy applause, and throw away the 5 idiots.

In any event, don't those who make CS make it because they enjoy making it? If you make it because you need your ego stroked, sooner or later that's going to backfire and fail. Make it because you enjoy it. Take the thanks, and downloads as a bonus.

Just this once, I'm going to post my signature, to show that yes indeed I am working on CS, and lots of it. I just happen to be a perfectionist that won't release or announce anything unless it's at least got decent progress. So yeah, I know very well how much work goes into making it. I'm making it because I want to, and because I need things that no one has made, and because I see a need for things no one has made. It's that simple.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

Post count and join date do not always indicate skill or experience.

Alleluia!

[ytivarg]

<snip>
So I'll consider 1000 obvious applause, 10 trophy applause, and throw away the 5 idiots.

It's refreshing to see an outlook as such! :up:

Post count and join date do not always indicate skill or experience.

Never have, never will... it's usually how you carry yourself and the ability to use proper English never hurts, either. :haha:

[kamyk]

Hrm, seeing the ambiguity of my signature, for the record that works both ways. Lack of doesn't indicate lack of either which was more my point. But it does work the other way as well, I suppose.

[gamer2456]

That how do my sets now don't even do threads I work on them and than release them when I'm done . That way get no request or spam or anything and this make it so I can work on set basic in peace .

[Terraform]

how you carry yourself
you're a narrow-minded jerkoff.

Fail

For someone who is pointing out how to be a 'good' forum member , resorting to gradeschool name calling is not high on the list of respectable attributes.

[Crowheart]

Disagreements are fine, but yes please do let's refrain from personal attacks/name calling.

Thanks!

[NYRfan85]

I know I haven't made any CS in a while, but I'll throw my 2 cents in... All of the CS sets I make are made purely because I find a need for them in my parks. I make them for myself, and then I figure they could be useful to the community, so I release them. If 100 people download a set, that's awesome, and I know I contributed something that people can enjoy. I see the download count, and that's all I need to see to get satisfaction. That, and the fact that I get to use my CS in my parks.

I don't take requests, or even look at the CS request thread. Most of the requests are ridiculous or so super-specific that I wouldn't find any use for them, so I don't bother. I do, however, take into account people's advice and suggestions in my existing CS threads. Sometimes I ignore them; sometimes I say 'hey, that's a useful piece I forgot to include, so I'll make it', and I do.

I do it all at my own pace, and release it when it's done/ready. OS had every right to be angry about the posters who ask 'wen will this be released? k thx plz i need dis'. Let us CS creators do our thing at our own pace; you'll get the sets when they're done, or if we feel like releasing them. ;)

[ytivarg]

Fail

For someone who is pointing out how to be a 'good' forum member , resorting to gradeschool name calling is not high on the list of respectable attributes.

I'm terribly sorry... next time I'll make sweeping generalizations and completely insult who you are as a person. Similar to your homophobic outrages of not too long ago. Would that work better for you?

[Archbak]

i think this thread should close now. It's just an agurement. Its getting us no where. This forums a nice one but at the min every ones biting eachothers heads off and scoreing points off each other. what is the point? :down:

[Crowheart]

I rather agree, time to close...the points have been made.