RCT3DataBase ?? All My Stuff Without My permission!!

[Terraform]

:mad::mad::mad:
I was just doing a search on MGP and MygirlPepper Just for the heck of it .
And I come to find this site .
http://rctdb.com/

Now I was not aware this site existed , and that all of my CS is On it!!
Whoever is doing this, is selling advertising on the site. And using All of the CS From here as Bait. I never gave my permission for the site to use my stuff as bait for possible monetary gain.
Am I wrong to think this is not a good thing. Though not selling the CS itself , whomever, is still using stuff that is not his and unknown to the Makers as a basis for providing this 'service' and profiting from my work.
Do I have to Shut down all my links now to protect Myself from this???

I mean is everyone here aware that everything posted here gets duplicated over there??
Do I have rights to some of the Profit from the site??

[PB&J]

I was aware of this, in fact, it's done by tyc00n10 (http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/member.php?u=246042)

I do not see how it's different from folks on rct-3.org making a thread without my permission about items I have released. He gives credit and does not re-upload anything. I don't see what's wrong with it. If you are not ok with it, I recommend you PM him, however, I do not see how he is meant to know that seeing as you never included you do not want free advertisement - as far as I've seen.

[veryConfused]

MGP, it's sort of the same thing as what the CS list is. If you click the link for the download, it takes you to the download you posted on Mediafire. It is exact same thing, and therefore I don't see why it would be any problem.

[Terraform]

MGP, it's sort of the same thing as what the CS list is. If you click the link for the download, it takes you to the download you posted on Mediafire. It is exact same thing, and therefore I don't see why it would be any problem.
But the CS list part of this site.... I expect the CS to end up there .They are not 'selling' space there, I didn't know it was going over to RCTDB.
So it would be fine for me to make a CS site and use all of your CS , Then Sell advertising on the site to profit from your CS.
I'm On IT!!! No need to let you know that your stuff is being used. Thanks

I am not thinking he is getting rich from this or anything , but it is a way of getting some monetary gain from the CS. And is that legal?
If my stuff is part of this and it is not legal then am I culpable as well ?

I mean I could make a pay site , that offers all CS links , I am not selling the CS , I am selling the conveinance of having one place with all the links. And I could also sell advertising. Sure you don't need to pay for it ...but some 'may' pay , and I could profit. It is just free advertising for your CS so it is OK.

[PB&J]

But the CS list part of this site.... I expect the CS to end up there . I didn't know it was going over there.
So it would be fine for me to make a CS site and use all of your CS , Then Sell advertising on the site to profit from your CS.
I'm On IT!!! No need to let you know that your stuff is being used. Thanks

I am not thinking he is getting rich from this or anything , but it is a way of getting some monetary gain from the CS. And is that legal?
If my stuff is part of this and it is not legal then am I culpable as well ?
My guess is he uses the advertising to pay for the site and not much else. If you gave proper credit to me and did not re-upload my set. I wouldn't mind.

How is it not legal?

[Old-Spice]

He gives the proper credits and reconigition where needed and even where not needed. He links it to the thread, if there is one, and links the download that you or I posted. Something that I dont have an issue with.

Pretty much a site saying "Hey, MGP Made this, and here the thread and download link"

It's is a neat site that I often visit. He keeps it updated with the lates releases weather is a beta, full, competition, or just a teaser video or something. Like a news site for the game.

The ads are nothing new, as ads can be found on pretty much all sites including this one. It helps pay for webhosting as that cost's money.

[Crowheart]

Some others with web sites can confirm, but the advertising income barely recoups a portion of whatever the owner of the site is paying for the bandwith.

Somehow I doubt he's getting high enough traffic to make a profit, and on the contrary is paying out of pocket monthly.

That's just conjecture though.

I guess if it bothered you that much, you could ask Tycoon10 to remove it from the site.

He's been a longstanding good member of the community in any case...I flat out disbelieve he had any monetary or other motive as an intention with his site.

[CTRSind]

The CS list is not part of this site, its actually a german site. I don't mind it, and its the exact same thing... now burning my CS to a dvd and then distributing it, thats obviously something different

[FACTual]

FYI- it looks to be a BLOG shell program: the ads may not be under the blogger's control and he may in fact NOT be making any monetary gain- the web host might be...

[fluffy]

I dont see any ads on it ???

[Rct3Mike]

Lol I found something that I made on there too, but I don't really mind, it's like the CS list, except with pics right there so you don't need to scavenge through broken links to see what you are downloading.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

My Longsword is there too! No big issue, but a little heads up would have been nice. Though, what does annoy me is that he has named it as a static item....not a ctr :down:

[Terraform]

Advertising options and inquiries are as follows:

Advertising is done on a monthly basis at a flat rate
Rates can be discussed, but optimally would be $15/mo. (that’s $.50 per day)
Companies should be somehow related to RCT in order to be accepted, though not required
All prices are subject to change, and all sites are subject to approval But not neccessary to have all CS makers Approval?
Here , I just would have liked to be notified if My CS is being advertised on another site unknown to me.

[gamer2456]

I understand you would like to know but what problem terraform this person not make money off your set. Also I built set and end up on site with out my promission and don't see me complaining and sure other cs maker have set up there.

The way see it this site have make sets more widley avaivalbe to the community around the world.

[colbycx]

I can see why you are angry.

If you work as hard on something as I am sure you do, you don't want it to be hosted on a random site you know absolutely nothing about. Although giving you credit is a good thing, prior notice surely would have been better. And do you feel what he is doing is giving you enogh credit? If not, you should tell him to take your stuff off his site.

I am just expressing how I would go about it.

[Terraform]

I am not really sure how I feel about it!! But I post all my sets here ,because I support this site.
I am not saying I have not gotten the credit for the sets or the pictures either.
What I am saying is all of this is being done without my knowlege to my sets. Perhaps an E-Mail or a PM saying that these sets are being posted there. Or even a link to the site to let me know they were being hosted there ...or linked from there.
Hell I could even use that as a place to link to to get all my CS with descriptions.... I just want to know!!!
Now I feel like I have to put a damn Exclusivity clause on every set and picture I post.
Perhaps I want people to visit Webers site who has genorously offered to Host my Stuff and has. And have that be the exclusive domain of where my sets get linked from.

[Weber]

I am not really sure how I feel about it!! But I post all my sets here ,because I support this site.
I am not saying I have not gotten the credit for the sets or the pictures either.
What I am saying is all of this is being done without my knowlege to my sets. Perhaps an E-Mail or a PM saying that these sets are being posted there. Or even a link to the site to let me know they were being hosted there ...or linked from there.
Hell I could even use that as a place to link to to get all my CS with descriptions.... I just want to know!!!
Now I feel like I have to put a damn Exclusivity clause on every set and picture I post.
Perhaps I want people to visit Webers site who has genorously offered to Host my Stuff and has. And have that be the exclusive domain of where my sets get linked from.

Well That site is not actually hosting your scenery. In other words the downloads are still third party, IE: The links are elsewhere. I wouln't worry about that Terra. Now if they uploaded all your cs to their website and hosted it then I would be concerned. That's just my 2 cents

[CTRSind]

I can see why you are angry.

If you work as hard on something as I am sure you do, you don't want it to be hosted on a random site you know absolutely nothing about. Although giving you credit is a good thing, prior notice surely would have been better. And do you feel what he is doing is giving you enogh credit? If not, you should tell him to take your stuff off his site.

I am just expressing how I would go about it.

But our cs is Not being hosted there, he's just announcing the set and giving the same information people would find if they visited Atari, The only thing that anyone on here can complain about is that he has rehosted our photos, you could accuse him of stealing media created by us even though he has credited the original source, but since no one owns the rights to the actual link to their sets no one can accuse him of stealing.. "other than our photos again" that would be like me saying...

"OMG I found this site that has my Casey's Corner set ALL OVER IT!!! and I gave NO AUTHORIZATION FOR THIS! (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS299US310&q=CTRS+%22Casey's+Corner+Set%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)"

see how silly that is... really its the same principal just very specialized.

now about the photos, if we are going to get in a huge hissy over someone rehosting our photos, we must have very few other concerns in life. If I was worried about someone taking my photos I wouldn't be sharing them, heck im thrilled that I was credited.

Bottom line, we go through alot of trouble to make these CS sets, and he's going through alot of trouble keeping track of them, from what I can tell he's been more reliable than the Complete List. Think about all the time he spends tacking CS, checking threads, searching post, looking for updates, finding releases, writing the articles, gathering resources, writing code, and updating links, Here we are saying that our work has been diminished whilst in the act of diminishing someone else's. I'm too liberal for that.

But again by all means light you're torches and sharpen your pitchforks, and demand that he return all the images he stole from us, while you're doing that I'm going to contact my lawyer and see what I can do about those criminals at Google.

[wabigbear]

I seem to remember Tycoon10 had a thread about this when he first started it, but it's possible it was closed since it was considered advertising. It was quite awhile ago I think. Since it's just a database and he's only providing links to where you can get the download, I haven't had any problem with it since he added the Ghost Mine Ride set's months ago. He isn't always just listing stuff either, he made a bit off a review and overview of my sets. Other fansite's also post news of new releases, and they sometimes include a screen along with a link to the download, I don't think this is all that much different.

If he was actually hosting the download himself, it would be different, but he's not. I wouldn't worry about it Terra.

[osudenny]

I never heard of the site before either. But I find it very tasteful and looks great. He isn't making money off us like Old Spice and Wagi said in their post. He is probably just getting by to pay for the site. If anything we should feel honored that he felt we did a good enough job that he wants to post our work. So all I have to say to him is thank you very much!!!

[tyc00n10]

I am here. And answering multiple questions.

The blog is simply a 'gateway' or 'databank' of information. In no way am I making enough money off of the puny google ads at the top right and bottom middle to support anything there. I run multiple sites off of my server space, one of which is my band site, another a portfolio site, a third the rctdatabase. I pay for that with money out of my pocket - not advertising revenue. I don't even make close to $5 through google ads, and it's been up since last July.

To start off:
-I run it alone (so far...)
-The blog is run off of Wordpress
-All credit is given where credit is due
-I link to the articles on varying websites
-I link to YOUR PERSONAL download site, I do not pad hits off of downloads.
-I do NOT upload any material unless it is MINE (ie - tracks, parks, and structures, and some videos seen there)
-I do not sell anything through the site (except the "ADVERTISE HERE" buttons, which also - no bites)

It is a giant CS list with links, pictures, and related threads. It organizes slightly 'better' in a sense of what forums can do.

Old-Spice's post pretty much sums up what goes on.
Crowheart is right about traffic - I hit 11,764 last month.
RedOctoberRCT - You're item description has been updated.
CTRSind - You're bottom line is correct. It takes a chunk out of my day to track down multiple sites.

With all of that being said, Terraform or any other member that do not wish to have their items posted, please inform me and they will be removed. I make no money off the site, nor do I intend to. RCT is also a hobby of mine, I play it occasionally, and I like to keep updated with the latest and greatest. Hence, why I have created the blog last year. I update broken links, in fact I get emails about people who would like links changed.

Any questions, concerns, anything at all - please don't hesitate to ask. I will answer it, and if it becomes an issue we can come to an agreement. I never intended to make anyone upset, just trying to make the rct world a little easier to navigate through.

[gamer2456]

Yeah your site is easy find set pick your over complete list for rct3 it easyer and know got picture show me what download and all the links work.

[pcwfreak]

The whole advertising thing is a lose-lose situation.

Lose for you: You admit yourself that your page hits isn't very high, so who would want to pay to put their ads there if not many people see it?

Lose for CS creators: If someone did purchase advertising, $15 could get you up to three months of decent hosting (I assume you have an affordable hosting plan if you only have text and less than a GB worth of your own uploads). I'm pretty sure that would tick off someone seeing as you'd have some extra $ in your pocket. Remember, people come to your site to look for other peoples CS, even if you aren't hosting it.

I'm not trying to shoot down anyone here, but I think you should be a little more realistic with that advertising plan. I'm sure some industry organizations could go for some advertising.

That's just how I see it.

[tyc00n10]

My bad... that was an average for yesterday. Looked up the wrong stats. :bulb:

Proof...
http://rctdb.com/images/stats.png
Yellow box is this month.

It's only a suggestion too, chances are I'd leave their ad up a bit longer for that price. Unless they're all fighting for spots.

[Terraform]

I am here. And answering multiple questions.

The blog is simply a 'gateway' or 'databank' of information. In no way am I making enough money off of the puny google ads at the top right and bottom middle to support anything there. I run multiple sites off of my server space, one of which is my band site, another a portfolio site, a third the rctdatabase. I pay for that with money out of my pocket - not advertising revenue. I don't even make close to $5 through google ads, and it's been up since last July.

To start off:
-I run it alone (so far...)
-The blog is run off of Wordpress
-All credit is given where credit is due
-I link to the articles on varying websites
-I link to YOUR PERSONAL download site, I do not pad hits off of downloads.
-I do NOT upload any material unless it is MINE (ie - tracks, parks, and structures, and some videos seen there)
-I do not sell anything through the site (except the "ADVERTISE HERE" buttons, which also - no bites)

It is a giant CS list with links, pictures, and related threads. It organizes slightly 'better' in a sense of what forums can do.

Old-Spice's post pretty much sums up what goes on.
Crowheart is right about traffic - I hit 11,764 last month.
RedOctoberRCT - You're item description has been updated.
CTRSind - You're bottom line is correct. It takes a chunk out of my day to track down multiple sites.

With all of that being said, Terraform or any other member that do not wish to have their items posted, please inform me and they will be removed. I make no money off the site, nor do I intend to. RCT is also a hobby of mine, I play it occasionally, and I like to keep updated with the latest and greatest. Hence, why I have created the blog last year. I update broken links, in fact I get emails about people who would like links changed.

Any questions, concerns, anything at all - please don't hesitate to ask. I will answer it, and if it becomes an issue we can come to an agreement. I never intended to make anyone upset, just trying to make the rct world a little easier to navigate through.
TY for the rundown , and all of that , I was not aware of the Database nor that I was in it.
I was just a bit supprised to find it accidentally and see a clause requesting Advertising , I don't know how these sites even work .
I would like to be informed when my stuff is being promoted on another site .
You actually are doing a good job with the Database IMO . It just caught me by supprise , and made me a bit suspicious.

[veryConfused]

I never said the CS list was on that site, I said the site was like the CS list.

Oh, yeah, only one of my sets is even on there, and it was the original release which isn't even available anymore.

[RedOctoberRCT3]

RedOctoberRCT - You're item description has been updated

Thanks for that

[GOLIATHpov]

It's called the Fair Use Policy, my friend.

[Crowheart]

Closing this now.

It's a great website that will contribute to making the community better..:up: