Thoughts/Predictions on the Netcode and quality of online?(New User Here :)

[Toreizhoukeizu]

I am Trezveil's friend and she was bugging me about getting an account so much :P

So here I am to discuss the wonders of DBZ games:D

I am hoping for good online.. but T3 and BL were kinda meh O-o

[Dreiko]

BL was ok, T3 was crap at times due to the wii and it's kind of owner. (most wii people have slow internet)


As long as your speed is ok it should be good, i doubt it being worse than BL at least.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Hopefully :P Online seems to be the source of replay value these days and I really want to play long with other players lol.

We could blame the slow online on the wii but I would rather have some kind of facts or evidence to quell the worry of laggy or no laggy online XD I know the game is less than 2 weeks away but it pops into my head randomly and its annoying :downcast:

[Dreiko]

Hopefully :P Online seems to be the source of replay value these days and I really want to play long with other players lol.

We could blame the slow online on the wii but I would rather have some kind of facts or evidence to quell the worry of laggy or no laggy online XD I know the game is less than 2 weeks away but it pops into my head randomly and its annoying :downcast:

Well, i had more than half of my games on the Wii be lag-free so i think my explanation is quite on the ball. (i've had over 1600 games :D)


Wii's netcode wasn't something like blazblue, of course, but it wasn't as terrible as people say.

[-Saiyan Universe-]

Didn't they say that they were going to focus on online?

As long as it's playable and some what smooth I will be playing it. If it's really laggy then I will play just casually online and play the Japanese. Since they are always smooth to play for me.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Well that makes me feel a little better :O I did a speed test.. but the server i upload/download from is preeeeeeety far away lol and its the closest there is but the results cant be right :| Telling me i have less than 3 meg download when im paying for 10 lol Is there a better test out there or am I just slow to the ways of online speed testing :P

[Majin Vegeta2]

Supposedly, the reason why BT3's WiFi was utter crap was because Atari (the ones responsible for the European and American releases) didn't make the online work up to the standards of bigger countries. Meaning that, they were using Spike's net coding for a Japanese size country...

But, that's only speculation. Other Wii games are NEVER EVER as bad as BT3 was, not even Brawl, Brawl can actually play very smoothly from the US to Europe depending on each player's connections (but, there is always delay regardless of the speed of the game).

[Toreizhoukeizu]

So many things talked about i never got wind of lol. Well that makes me feel alot better. What about BL? was there any explanation of why that was so bad @-@

[leprikangt]

Didnt it say somewhere that it was 60 fps for off AND online play?

[-Saiyan Universe-]

Distance and connection.

Like I said being in Australia UK and American players were laggy, but Japanese were smooth as hell.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Didnt it say somewhere that it was 60 fps for off AND online play?

yeah but FPS can run perfectly but the game can still have delay BUT i shouldnt be looking for reasons to hope for lag lolz

Edit* @Saiyan Universe: That does make sense. I just hope a lot of X360 users in the US will be picking this up. I just dont want to play with a ton of morons -_- I have been MSN'ning with ppl i meet on youtube randomly looking at RB vids and they have all turned out to be immature type people.

[IcyVegeta]

yeah but FPS can run perfectly but the game can still have delay BUT i shouldnt be looking for reasons to hope for lag lolz

Edit* @Saiyan Universe: That does make sense. I just hope a lot of X360 users in the US will be picking this up. I just dont want to play with a ton of morons -_- I have been MSN'ning with ppl i meet on youtube randomly looking at RB vids and they have all turned out to be immature type people.

Well to be frank with you, there will be a lot of cheesers out there just whoring the top tier character and try to blast spam the **** out of you. But if you're even somewhat good, you should have no problem with that.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Well to be frank with you, there will be a lot of cheesers out there just whoring the top tier character and try to blast spam the **** out of you. But if you're even somewhat good, you should have no problem with that.

I understand completely =__= I stopped playing T3 after 4 months online.. i just couldnt take the constant spam/DC I have lost so much of my skill but got 70% of it back in the demo ^_^ Hopefully the real game is even better.

I just need to be how you say pushed in the right direction as far as "the next level" of playing :P Never really had amazing competition at the lan parties i go to. Theyre all halo 3 and COD/GOW bound lol I like halo 3 too but i want some DBZ Intensity :)

[IcyVegeta]

Well first off use RB canceling if you haven't already. Secondly, try to find which fighting style suits you best so you can use that character! Don't try to use Raditz to try and overwhlem the opponent with power as he is counter-attack orientated. Use Piccolo's range ect. ect. Finally, learn how to chain combos without gettiing the red slash as it adds about 2 seconds of penalty lag which can be crucial against a good opponent.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

yeah i studied some of honda's videos and started stringing some of those together fluidly :P I rarely get the red streak. Mind games dont really work on the AI so i havent done much of the guard button canceling XD

Anything else?

[Dreiko]

Do you know how to deflect supers yet?

[SnakeCharmer]

I wish I could play some of you 360 users but oh well guess its up to me to beat dreiko I hear he's good lol

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Yes i can deflect specials :) Not at close range like when they get in ur face XD

[Dreiko]

How do you do that?

You smack them to the side.

[superbad]

^ Nvm there was a topic about it in another thread.
R1 and move the left stick right or left.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Yeah Im looking for any and all tips for better combat vs humans. Mindgames, exercises w/e >: ) I plan on making alot of ppl cry at the late 08 lans of chicago ^o^ And apparently Dreiko here is teh best so I need to learn from his vids >: )

[SnakeCharmer]

Dreiko were the new vids today from the same demo that we got last week or is it an updated build?

[Dreiko]

The versus ones? They were from some demo in a convention or something.

Yeah Im looking for any and all tips for better combat vs humans. Mindgames, exercises w/e >: ) I plan on making alot of ppl cry at the late 08 lans of chicago ^o^ And apparently Dreiko here is teh best so I need to learn from his vids >: )

I've no rb vids but if you want some bt3 then enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL2xzIiuJJ0 :D

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Ive seen ur vids :) From all the T3 Players i have seen I have to say Honda is just insane. He has my vote for top in RB online lol

I am probably only 3/4 as good as you though XD

*edit* Oh yeah what is the best way to stop grabs? Sonic sway or ..?

[SnakeCharmer]

Dreiko based from what you've seen is there anything that you would like changed and I look forward to fighting you online and to the OP is there anything you dont know how to do?

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Dreiko based from what you've seen is there anything that you would like changed and I look forward to fighting you online and to the OP is there anything you dont know how to do?

Id like to know what counters what XD I fight piccolo alot in the demo and cant seem to get out of his combos. I know you cant Z counter ppls combos like BT3 so how do you stop them? You cant start a sonic sway in the middle of the hits right :(

2nd Question is what techniques DOES the Z counter work on now? All smashes, Kiai cannon and leg sweep? Less more let me know here XD

And the Vanishing/teleporting works on all attacks outside of fast combos?

[SnakeCharmer]

Id like to know what counters what XD I fight piccolo alot in the demo and cant seem to get out of his combos. I know you cant Z counter ppls combos like BT3 so how do you stop them? You cant start a sonic sway in the middle of the hits right :(

2nd Question is what techniques DOES the Z counter work on now? All smashes, Kiai cannon and leg sweep? Less more let me know here XD

And the Vanishing/teleporting works on all attacks outside of fast combos?

Yes that sums it up perfectly to both questions but let's keep in mind the demo is full of bugs and glitches but against piccolos grab your just gonna have to be good at timing as for normal grabs just wait til the character draws back and lounges forward then hit block to teleport, counter or if near a crash point teleport behind the opponent and kick them into the wall.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Yes that sums it up perfectly to both questions but let's keep in mind the demo is full of bugs and glitches but against piccolos grab your just gonna have to be good at timing as for normal grabs just wait til the character draws back and lounges forward then hit block to teleport, counter or if near a crash point teleport behind the opponent and kick them into the wall.

Recovery seems impossible unless your falling from forever high lol I will leave that to bugs :P

How close to the full build would you say the demo is?

[SnakeCharmer]

Honestly recoverying in general is impossible but as for the demo I'd say anywhere from 60% to 75% also based off some info it seems like they submitted this demo in at the last minute and its not a very good representation of the game. I hope they added some variations to combos like BT3 although I like the combo system so far and the animations tend to differer if your in the air or ground.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

Honestly recoverying in general is impossible but as for the demo I'd say anywhere from 60% to 75% also based off some info it seems like they submitted this demo in at the last minute and its not a very good representation of the game. I hope they added some variations to combos like BT3 although I like the combo system so far and the animations tend to differer if your in the air or ground.

YES! That combo that you chain off of two consecutive ground slash's.

Say you do whatever string of combos but the ending hit is a 2nd Ground slash (After you already did one in the string so your opponent gets tripped further away from you right? In the air as goku i normally chain the B button signature smash move he has but in the air he always misses where as on the ground he nails the guy and i can home in/ teleport attack after that : |

Idk how well i explained that :confused:

[SnakeCharmer]

You have explained it well enough but I chain combos very well but I can't stop playing the demo and right now I'm at the character select screen thinking about playing BT3. I so can't wait for the game and I'm glad I preordered and somehow I think we might see some extra characters for dlc cause cooler and dubra should be in. If you repeat a move it can't be be used for a combo and you will see the red flash across the screen but thecombo you speak of can be used wether on the ground or air.

[Toreizhoukeizu]

You have explained it well enough but I chain combos very well but I can't stop playing the demo and right now I'm at the character select screen thinking about playing BT3. I so can't wait for the game and I'm glad I preordered and somehow I think we might see some extra characters for dlc cause cooler and dubra should be in. If you repeat a move it can't be be used for a combo and you will see the red flash across the screen but thecombo you speak of can be used wether on the ground or air.

you see thats odd because whenever i knock my opponent away because of a 2nd leg sweep while in the air then hold the B button for the signature teleport smash with goku he ALWAYS misses the punch and my opponent keeps falling bu ton the ground since were on the ground he lands after the trip and gets punched. Even in Honda's video where i saw the combo he was pretty much on the floor when he pulled it off. I havent seen anyone do it in the air.