SPOILER TIME - the TGS thread

[Dato'vs]

My theory was that it was SH who told her. Myrddraal can sense channeling.

Finally, someone's starting to agree with my theory.

[Shadar]

Originally Posted by Dato'vs

I think it was Moridin or Shadar Haran. After all, if he easily dissolved the block on Semi. Surely he could have simply dissolved the webs around the box and taken out the leash?

Sorry to then go and disagree with you...

"Brandon hinted at some severe limitations on Shaidar Haran to affect the physical world. He says that a lot of actions that people assume to be those of Shaidar Haran in the book in one particular scene were physically carried out by Elza. He further indicated that Shadar Haran would have been incapable of physically placing the collar himself."
http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=1031

I still think he went to Elza - but she might have been the one doing the rest. (Unless Sorilea is a DF)

[DeathWalkingtWt]

Originally Posted by Shadar

Unless Sorilea is a DF

I would pretty much never believe that. There have been so many of her actions that she could have deliberately screwed up or omitted entirely without anyone being the wiser as to her allegiance.

[Parmenio]

Originally Posted by Shadar

My theory was that it was SH who told her. Myrddraal can sense channeling.

From TDR (When the girls are captured and then rescues by Avi/Rhuarc):
One of the Myrddraal lifted its head. Another leaned across the table toward Adden. “I itch, human. Are you sure they sleep?”

Hm, I know they can sense channeling, even if that were true I would think that sensing someone who was compulsed would be something else. Although SH isn't a regular Fade, so he could have some other ways of getting said info, it's still tough to know what is going on.

You make a good case, but I think Graendal is still the easier explanation.

[Dato'vs]

Doesn't Shadar Haran have multiple powers? Like making any channelers in his presence lose saidin-saidar temporarily? I would think someone with a power like that would have many more, even something as small as detecting a mind that's been compulsed.

[Parmenio]

Originally Posted by Dato'vs

Doesn't Shadar Haran have multiple powers? Like making any channelers in his presence lose saidin-saidar temporarily? I would think someone with a power like that would have many more, even something as small as detecting a mind that's been compulsed.

He does have some odd powers that haven't been elaborated. I thought that he couldn't just deny someone the capacity to channel, but those that are tied to the DO I think he can control to a degree. I'd like to see how Moridin and SH interact.

[Witte]

Originally Posted by [SaC]Kalief

Rands influence on Tuon seems to have been just a hard case of ta'veren pressure. Atleast none of the Asha'man made any sign of Rand using the power. Though why would they?

I thought he was using the True Power. The reference to everything going dark made me believe that - it's what happened when he used it with that A'Dam

[[SaC]Kalief]

I believe the only time he uses the True Power is when he breaks free of the A'dam. He recognizes the power for what it is, and uses the Choedan Kal as some opposite temptation to diffuse the lure to use it. Kind of how his wounds balance themselves out somewhat.

[Shadar]

Originally Posted by DeathWalkingtWt

I would pretty much never believe that. There have been so many of her actions that she could have deliberately screwed up or omitted entirely without anyone being the wiser as to her allegiance.

Yet she was the one who asked to see the domination band - cadsuane thinking that just showing her was repayment for teaching cads traveling.

[DeathWalkingtWt]

Originally Posted by Shadar

Yet she was the one who asked to see the domination band - cadsuane thinking that just showing her was repayment for teaching cads traveling.

Very compelling, but circumstantial.

[Shadar]

Originally Posted by DeathWalkingtWt

Very compelling, but circumstantial.

That summs up most theories on here doesn't it?

Furthermore - The Aiel have hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Hundreds of channellers. And we've seen ONE darkfriend - a maiden.
The AS are maybe 20% DF's - are we to expect that the Wise One's are 0%.

[Nec]

What's the word on the band of Aiel which attacked Matt and some of his Red Band that arrived through a gate before he was sent to Salidar, were they Shaido and supposedly not DF or DF working for one of the Ashaman?

[Shadar]

Originally Posted by Nec

What's the word on the band of Aiel which attacked Matt and some of his Red Band that arrived through a gate before he was sent to Salidar, were they Shaido and supposedly not DF or DF working for one of the Ashaman?

Oops. Okay - we have one *named* darkfriend -- and a few probably ones doing a weird assasination attempt/warning. (Surely whoever it was could have just stepped through the gateway and done the job themself)

[Dato'vs]

I think we'll find less darkfriend Aiel than in any other race since the Aiel culture lives on dignity and pride, and what's the dignity in changing allegiance to something that will strive to kill your people? I can see only the Shaido as a possible breeding ground for darkfriends. (the ones that have stayed in Randland and not the ones that returned to the waste)

[Julius al'Thain]

I dunno about the Shaido. They're still Aiel - and like you say, the Aiel seem that they would have a cultural thing against being darkfriends (not saying there's none (Melindhra, for example), just a lower incidence). I always got the feeling that a major problem for them (apart from Coladin, that nutter) was that Rand is Taardad.

[Parmenio]

Originally Posted by Shadar

Yet she was the one who asked to see the domination band - cadsuane thinking that just showing her was repayment for teaching cads traveling.

There is always another possibility (I'd say that she is capable of being a DF, doubtful, but possible), and that is that perhaps when she went through those rings in Ruidien (sp?) she saw that Rand would have to be collard so he could "laugh" again?

I mean without him hitting bottom and using the True Power he wouldn't have gone as cold as he did, and used the statue as a kinda counter to the TP, and wouldn't have been so on edge and then tried to wax the whole world with that thing, and then realized what had to be done.

The only finger we have is pointing at Sorilea, not meaning she did it, but aside from Cadsuane she is the only one who knew where. I would believe the theory above before I bought into that she was a DF (not saying it's impossible but I would doubt it). I also lean to someone other than Sorilea as well though....