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Guide: How to use all 8 buttons + tilt on MX1000 in UT2004
Well.. this afternoon I got mad that I coudn't use the tilt feature on my MX1000 ingame..
So I did a Google search. First hit was a forum where a guy explained it briefly. This only works with the setpoint drivers that came with the device (can also be found at logitech's download section of their site) open: C:\Documents and Settings\[user name]\Application Data\Logitech\SetPoint\user.xml Before we continue backup the file in a folder on your desktop or similar so you'll find it if you do something wrong.. In desired text editor Now find: Quote:
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These 2 are the tilt actions. Yours will look diffrent since I've changed mine from the defult actions to F10 and F12 In the first one I've marked the relevant info. Red: number of key you want to alter 9 & 10 are tilt blue: values needed to change to alter the buttons behavior green: needs to be changed if you assign stuff like copy/paste etc instead of a key command... In the user.xml you can find more stuff like program speficic over rides etc.. tomorrow I'll attempt to make it F10 & F12 ingame and copy & paste in all other apps.. To find out what to insert instead of the defult values you need to change on of the buttons that you can re-assign like the thumb/cruise/middle etc and copy the values setpoints makes in the user.xml I did this by starting to edit the user.xml but I saved it as another file name in the same folder (testuser.xml). Then I opend the new user.xml to see what the program changed. Once your satisfied with your changes save the user.xml as any name you like but user.xml and then exit setpoint. Most likely there will come up a new file in that folder: C:\Documents and Settings\[user name]\Application Data\Logitech\SetPoint\ named last_user.xml or similar. Now delete both the original in that folder and the new one change the name of the one you make into user.xml and reboot. Once rebooted the buttons will work in the fashion you programed them to. I realy hope someone with some programing skills makes a utility for this with a GUI etc to make up for the lack of it in the setpoint drivers.. the guy being logigamer should experiment with this so he can add MX1000 support.  Hope this was usefull for the MX1000 owners out there.
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i cant use all the buttons on my 700. 2 of them are just way too hard to reach without getting some joint problems, and the scroll button is a bit awkward as well
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How is the MX1000? I've read some bad things about it in that other thread and have been consider upgrading the one I currently own.
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Thank you Krill3! I should be getting mine soon
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can I have some pics of the MX1000 ?
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  Resurrecter: I like it and so does plenty more. [NBS]Flak: np
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I have been looking at this mouse for a time now and almost bought it until I stumbled over a couple of persons saying that the mouse skips/hangs for a split second when you pick it up and move the mouse to a slightly more comfortable position then put it down again (I do this all the time when my mouse is threatening to run away from the mousepad). For Windows this shouldn't be a problem, but I don't like the idea of such a thing happening to me in an online game
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Awesome krill3!
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Dont buy a wireless mouse if you consider yourself a serious gamer.
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10-19-2004, 11:56 AM
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I own an MX700 and an MX510. I cannot tell the difference between them in game apart from when the cord on the 510 gets jammed.
I would rather be called a noob than try and bully people into beliving what I believe. And I don't consider anyone who comes on these forums calling themselves a serious gamer to be a serious gamer. Have you ever owned a modern wireless, fast RF mouse?
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Well call me a leashed fanboy, but I just don't trust wireless technology at this point in gaming. Not that I'm such a serious player that I need 100% reliablitly, but I can already see myself throwing the damn thing across the room should it lose connnection for a moment and cost me a death.
Besides, that I don't see the point in paying more money for a wireless mouse, whats the use? I guess maybe you don't like the wire getting in the way, but I personally have never had that be a problem. Other than that I can't see any benefit other than sitting farther away from the comp, which isn't very good for gaming. But thats just my opinion, to each his own. That said, it looks like a cool mouse, is there a wired version? I have an older logithech optical which I love, but I could use a few more buttons on it. It has a thumb button, but it relies on the logitech driver running in the background, so when its pressed it cause a bit of lag when used during the game. Is this also a problem with these newer models? |
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10-19-2004, 12:14 PM
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The best idea is to not insatll the logitech drivers. They still lag. Thats what people say the problem with wireless is. As long as you don't run it in an environment with tonnes of RF interference and don't stick the base unit on the top of the speakers or monitor then they work fine. People complain that because of the wireless encoding there is a slight lag.
With the old RF mice, it was a real problem. It used to take my wireless MS explorer a whole second to realise it was moving if you left it still too long. The new mice use a hugly improved wireless protocol. There is still lag (logitech themselves admit this) but I have yet to see any point at which it's cost me a shot
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This worked but caused a little bit of lag when I went to use it. I'm wondering if this is the case with the Mx1000 or if there is another way to map the buttons so this doesn't happen, because it almost negates the use of having extra mouse buttons, since I could hit keyboard buttons just as fast considering the lag. |
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Okay, it's understandable for people to prefer wired mice. But those that argue that "wireless isn't as accurate as wired" are stupid. it's a known fact hat wireless has caught up to wired mice. It was an issue with old wireless mice, but as you know technology improves over time.
Whether you buy it or not is preference. Personally I prefer wireless because I hate having wires on my mouse. Keyboard's acceptable for wires because that doesn't move about much. At the moment I'm using Microsofts bluetooth desktop. I play games a lot, and this is as accurate as I want. Tho I will be upgrading to the MX1000 sometime soon. My mouse never lags, but when i leave it inactive for a while it goes into "sleep mode" to preserve battery power (like many wireless mice do). Meaning that it takes a second or two for it to kick into action before i can start using it. The time for this is about 15 minutes. Unless you're a hardcore camper, that's not an issue. I wouldn't call myself a fanboy, but it's my preference. I couldn't care less about someone prefering wired, providing they dont come out with incorrect facts such as "well wireless is inacurate". Anyone that's tried a wireless mouse will know different. |
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Who cares if the next guy uses wireless? I consider myself to be a competitive player and i <3 my wireless mouse... never gives me any ****... it's fine if you prefer wired mice, but don't make a generalization like "only serious players use wired mice"
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lol i find the wire people funny, many say about batteries running out and it just messing up, ive had my mx 700 over a year, and im still using the origonal batteries plus the mouse is still working like its new.
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I am also tempted to change from my MX500 to an MX1000.
So my three questions to those who actually own one are: 1. Is there definitely no noticeable lag/skipping compared to a good wired mouse? 2. How long does the battery last after a full charge? As in how many hours of crazy ONS can I have on one full charge, and does it recharge completely if I put it in the recharge station for 8 hours? 3. How heavy is it compared to an MX500 if you have owned/tried one before. The batteries must add some weight. If you have an opinion on the subject but don't own one yourself, please don't reply. I don't care what article you have read or what your friend of a friend has told you. I only want the opinion of those who own an MX1000.
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1 I cant notice any and that's after having a neck to neck test with my MX510 2 I need to recharge mine every 3~ weeks and I use my comp very much.. dont worry about battery life. I think 2 hours is enough to fully charge it. 10mins makes for 24 hours of use. 3 It's alittle heavier but it depends on if you light moded your MX5(1/0)0 if you didn't the extra weight isn't much of a factor. At first I went woah! heavy! but that's after months of using both a MX500 and a MX510 both with removed lead weights. I adapted in 30 mins tops. The battery indicator on the mouse shows the level of charge and it's very handy.. on MX700/900 mice you had to guess how charged the battery was. Also people complained that when they put it in the charger they didn't know if it was charging or not.. Basicaly it could fall into the wrong possiton and thus didn't charge. The MX1000's battery indicator flashes the missing power bars when it's charging. So you see that it's loading and how much is charged.
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There was a time when there was mouse lag with wireless mice. The MX700 changed that immensely. People who use it find it is relatively free from mouse lag. If you are getting lag, it's likely because something isn't installed properly. It uses fast RF technology that gives you the responsiveness of a corded connection. This is very common online. What sucked once has been upgraded, but people don't want to let go of an old problem. People seem to like to have a reason to call others "noobs" when actually they are missing out on great advances in technology. XM: The only difference between the new cordless and corded mice are the weight. Some people don't like it, but I found it only a matter of getting used to. After you get used to it, you'll prefer it. I love my MX700, and can't wait to get the 1000. The only thing I don't like about the 700 is it's too long for my small hands. MX700: "I have tried using the mouse in several first person shooters including Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament 2003 demo, Battlefield 1942, and No One Lives Forever 2 demo. Amazingly, it worked great in all of them. The mouse was very precise, and I was unable to detect any skipping even when moving it very quickly. " http://www.earthv.com/articles.asp?A...D=703&PageID=3 "With impressive accuracy and speed for a wireless mouse, 800-dpi resolution, and a 5.8-megapixel-per-second image processing rate, it can cut the cord for even hardcore gamers." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2C17...41276%2C00.asp MX1000: "With impressive accuracy and speed for a wireless mouse, 800 dpi resolution and 5.8 megapixels per second image-processing rate, the MX1000 empowers hardcore gamers to finally cut the cord. In the past, the wired MX510 took the cake when it came to gaming, but now with the MX1000 sporting the same specs over LogiTech's Fast RF technology, why not go wireless? (Fans of the MX series should note that the image-processing rate of the MX1000 is higher than that of the MX700 or MX900.)" http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1641398,00.asp "I currently play Counter-Strike: Source. With the new laser system, it feels like I can hit any pixel on the screen (using 1280x1024 LCD). I highly recommend this mouse.... don't let few bad user reviews get you (it's getting great professional reviews). Try the mouse out for yourself, it will speak for itself, trust me. " http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-...444303-2867108
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I like the MX510 out of all the MX mice because it has no negative acceleration; all other MX mice do, including the MX700 and MX1000. If you play at high sensitivities, it shouldn't be a problem, though.
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xeonshockwave sorry the MX1000 doesn't have negative acceleration.
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Can someone tell me how to bind weapons to the lil round buttons on top of a MX510? or what the lines look like in the user ini.
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In mouseware simply change the button to something UT2004 recognizes like a key stroke or similar.. Or use the advanced settnings utility found at Logitech's download section it makes special binds into key strokes when entering a game. Use search here or use google to find more info on this. Now please keep this thread on-topic.
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I'm getting an MX-510 for a couple of reasons:
1. Cables won't be a problem- I have a mouse bungee. 2. It has a better optical engine than the MX-700 and I've heard mixed opinions about the MX-1000. 3. In NZ, the MX-510 costs $90NZD. The MX-700 costs $150NZD and the MX-1000 isn't even available at half the stores I look at. 4. I go to LANs which don't allow cordless mice. 5. I have a 3 year old brother. I'd have to chain the mouse to the desk or it'd probably go mysteriously missing. 6. Depending on the enviroment, there can still be some lag. (such as the stone walls near my computer- that'd be a signal eater) 7. Bad experiences. The Dell optical wireless mouse which you only have to move at a moderate speed to get 100% negative accell. Ugh. Now, I'm not saying all wireless mice are bad, and if it works, that's great! But for my enviroment, it just doesn't suit. I would be interested to try an MX-1000 sometime though, just to see both sides of the argument.
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At least Zygar has a valid opinion. Not a wired fanboy. =)
Anyway, you're not allowed wireless mice at LAN's?! Why?(I've never been to one, don't come round here much) |
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