Wing Commander fans versus Independnece War box

Merciful · 07-29-2005, 07:49 AM

http://www.wcnews.com/articles/dcon2002/page4.shtml

I came about the above yesterday.

Quote: Perhaps the highlight of the show for some, destroying these insults to the space sim genre sends a message to all game developers that rip-offs will not be tolerated.

Yeah, whatever...

Hot4Darmat · 07-29-2005, 09:16 AM

Wow, that's remarkably infantile. Especially given that the whole WC series was a quasi Star Wars rip-off. But there's no point starting to flame about this kind of stuff.

I wonder how proud those CIC folks feel about the wing commander movie? Oops, did that feel like I was starting to engage in flaming?

RaCail · 07-29-2005, 11:35 AM

That's depressing. I demand a recount.

...I quit.

Merciful · 07-29-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RaCail
...I quit.

What, because of some losers? Shape up man!

Ranger · 07-29-2005, 02:24 PM

Who wants to have a "destroy a lot of Wing Commander crap CDs and boxes" party?

Parias · 07-29-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Merciful
Quote: Perhaps the highlight of the show for some, destroying these insults to the space sim genre sends a message to all game developers that rip-offs will not be tolerated.

Good grief, rarely have I seen rabid fanboyism from those Wing Commander fans run so deep. How the hell is Independence War even relevant to this article?

Edit: VVVV Granted, I just find the stupidity of this article to be depressing.

Vagamus · 07-29-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Parias
Good grief, rarely have I seen rabid fanboyism from those Wing Commander fans run so deep. How the hell is Independence War even relevant to this article?

Read your briefs, Parias. Flame wars are rarely relevent to anyone but silly ass angsty monkey pumpers.

hoom · 07-29-2005, 06:31 PM

We discussed this lameness years ago.

RaCail · 07-29-2005, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Merciful
What, because of some losers? Shape up man!

Actually, nah. I don't quit. After all these years, I finally beat Trouble with Gunstars.

Hamsterlord · 07-30-2005, 01:53 AM

All I can see in this is that there's one less precious, precious original copy of IW

E in the world, thanks to a bunch of screaming jackasses.

SchnozBott · 07-30-2005, 02:17 AM

I nominate the participants of that event as the new scapegoats for the decline of the space sim genre within the gaming industry. They've earned it.

I really seriously didn't imagine there were people out there like that, but I suppose there really are.

Shadowcat SFC · 07-30-2005, 03:14 AM

W.T.F.?

That's... so far beyond stupid, I have no words to express it.

*blank expression*

Second Chance · 07-30-2005, 08:59 AM

The way that girl with the chainmail tiara head thing was dressed up spoke volumes about what kind of people were in that hotel room.

I'm actually surprised they weren't wearing their homemade Wing Commander uniforms like they usually do when they go out on weekends.

I heard they also got into a slapping fight with the Trek conventioners from the other side of the hotel. But it was broken up by the ever-intimidating cloak-robed Jedi club.

hoom · 07-30-2005, 09:40 AM

People, people!

Either I am currently undergoing the most crazy & vivid case of deja vous or we have had this discussion here before.

To wit, I ain't making comments about it again.

Greb · 07-30-2005, 06:07 PM

I don't get it, how is I-war supposed to be a rip off of Wingcommander?

I've never seen the film, but I've played *i think* Wingcommander 3 and it doesn't seem anything like I-war.

Greb

Edit - hoom, I know what you mean. I once posted about a homeworld TC mod to I-war (never got finished, BTW) only to have dread post a link back to an old thread about it, which I even posted in!

SchnozBott · 07-30-2005, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greb
I don't get it, how is I-war supposed to be a rip off of Wingcommander? I've never seen the film, but I've played *i think* Wingcommander 3 and it doesn't seem anything like I-war.

It goes to show how much forethought or discrimination went into their little orgy of destruction. One of the most entertaining things about the I-War games are how refreshingly different they are from space sim franchises that are less realistic.

Incidentally, WC3 was perhaps the last decent game in the series, although it did represent the first step towards that whole 'interactive movie' fad. Since getting into the I-War and Freespace games though, I've not felt even the slightest impetus to revisit those clunky old WC games, even if they could be made to work.

Wing Commander movie? Never happened.

FireCrack · 07-31-2005, 12:27 AM

Ironicly enough, the only game i dontr see there is BC3000AD

Stone · 07-31-2005, 01:37 AM

hoom is right. Somebody posted up this link a while back. It must've been a couple of years now though. I had forgotten all about this site.

Second Chance · 07-31-2005, 08:26 PM

Well I've never had this discussion before. And neither have any of the other members who have joined since "a couple of years now". So I'll make the most of my chance to make fun of them now.

(I will still never understand why it's such a crime to revive an old topic. Maybe it makes older members of forums feel "special", because they can say "Been there, done that. Discussion over. You newbies shouldn't discuss things us elders have already talked about. It bores us. And these forums are here for us, not you." It's one thing if the same topic has 10 concurrent threads and is a common pointless discussion, but otherwise it would be nice for newer members to be a part of the forum too. So there.

)

Red_Hex · 07-31-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Second Chance
I will still never understand why it's such a crime to revive an old topic. Maybe it makes older members of forums feel "special", because they can say "Been there, done that. Discussion over. You newbies shouldn't discuss things us elders have already talked about. It bores us. And these forums are here for us, not you."

yep. wtf is the point of hanging around a forum for years if you dont get to lord it over newbies?

im only saying it cos you all know its true. most systems of membership are based upon it anyway.

what im more interested in is, hoom IS a relative newbie. who did he used to be and why is he no longer?

MichaelShane · 08-01-2005, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Red Hex
what im more interested in is, hoom IS a relative newbie. who did he used to be and why is he no longer?

Funny... I'd wondered that also. Why the name change?

hoom · 08-01-2005, 12:30 AM

arrrse
I thought this was a nicer nick & couldn't work out how to get the name for that account changed so made this new one...
Even that account is a relative newcomer around here but it really doesn't seem like that long ago that this was discussed.

For the record:
My recollection is that I was/still am unable to understand how the hell these fools got it in their mind that Iwar could possibly be described as a Wingcommander ripoff.

Mainly in this thread I have been surprised by the reactions of people who partook of the original thread, posting as if they hadn't seen this travesty before

Dreadnaught · 08-01-2005, 03:55 AM

I remember seeing this a while ago and thinking:

A) They really know nothing about I-War

B) They actually found a girl to take part in this?

A few years later, I think it's safe to begin speculating on the high and mighty positions they reached in their lives.

Stone · 08-01-2005, 01:01 PM

My apologies to Second Chance and Merciful.

It's not a crime to revive old posts or to bring up topics that were discussed before. It's one of the things that keep this community up and living. Post whatever you'd like if you think that it's interesting and would be of interest to someone in the community. I didn't mean to come off as an elitist oldtimer. All I can think is that it was a little early in the morning here in Alaska when I posted and I was still a little sleepy.

Merciful · 08-01-2005, 04:22 PM

Hey, hey, hey! No need to apologise.

BTW, speaking of old timers, didn't we once compare who was the most senior old timer? Stephen won due not only being fan of I-War before it was released, but even before Infogrames became the publisher.

ps. I think if those WC fans had faced the European I-War box, they would have lost. The boxes over here were made of hard and dense kind of cardboard.

hoom · 08-01-2005, 06:34 PM

Thats a good point!
They seem to have had some difficulty even with the flimsy stuff of the US version but that UK version was much thicker.

Yeah, about the only thing thats more tragic than seeing those old classics destroyed is the lame things they did to do the destruction.

Second Chance · 08-02-2005, 12:49 AM

In all seriousness; the most tragic thing of all is that, with all the time and energy spent destroying products guilty of being "not Wing Commander", they haven't contributed to the improvement of the genre in any way.

If only they would have put all that work into learning how to create a new, better space game.

But again, much like mud-slinger politics, it all comes down to rabid supporters and "being the last one standing", rather than rising above the rest through your own virtues. They would rather see all other space games destroyed than face the idea that there might be a game better than theirs (or even merely equal).

How sad to lose copies of any space game. At least they were contributions to the genre.

Nightwatch · 08-02-2005, 04:16 AM

I have to admit I keep the old wing commander sets around for one reason. A few years ago I found a program that could rip out the movies from the CDs. I have it on my list to find a decent AVI compresser and then put them up on a site somewhere. The WC4 set actually has some great space movie battle scenes that are definatly worth preserving.

But smashing up I-war. Come on. I wouldn't even do that with copies of Star Trek Armada or Birth of the Federation.

Parias · 08-02-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nigh****ch
I have to admit I keep the old wing commander sets around for one reason. A few years ago I found a program that could rip out the movies from the CDs. I have it on my list to find a decent AVI compresser...

VirtualDUB ----> Convert the movies to DivX, or XviD or something to that effect.

Or better yet you could just use the "Windows Movie Maker" tool included with Windows XP to convert all of the movies into high-quality streaming format for convenience.

Quote:

Originally posted by Second Chance
How sad to lose copies of any space game. At least they were contributions to the genre.

That's a point I don't think anybody could disagree with. Granted, the article's old, but it's also very childish and, quite frankly, depressing. I'll never understand how those rapid WC fans operate. Sure, the franchise was great, but this is a bit much, isn't it?

WX_Peregrin · 08-10-2005, 01:12 PM

This is my first time seeing this...I was clawing at my monitor saying, "I COULD USE THAT COPY!"

*breaks down and cries at the destruction of beautiful space sim nostalgia, as taps is heard playing in the wind*

In all seriousness though...wth...?

07-29-2005, 07:49 AM	#1
Merciful The One and Only Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Järvenpää, Finland Posts: 100	Wing Commander fans versus Independnece War box http://www.wcnews.com/articles/dcon2002/page4.shtml I came about the above yesterday. Quote: Perhaps the highlight of the show for some, destroying these insults to the space sim genre sends a message to all game developers that rip-offs will not be tolerated. Yeah, whatever... __________________ Utterly ******* Groovy * Buda5 *

07-29-2005, 09:16 AM	#2
Hot4Darmat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 225	Wow, that's remarkably infantile. Especially given that the whole WC series was a quasi Star Wars rip-off. But there's no point starting to flame about this kind of stuff. I wonder how proud those CIC folks feel about the wing commander movie? Oops, did that feel like I was starting to engage in flaming? __________________ ---- Hot4Darmat

07-29-2005, 11:35 AM	#3
RaCail Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 23	That's depressing. I demand a recount. ...I quit. __________________ facebook

07-29-2005, 06:31 PM	#8
hoom Welcome to Hell on Earth Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 499	We discussed this lameness years ago. __________________ -Dreaming of an Iwar prequel

07-30-2005, 01:53 AM	#10
Hamsterlord Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Nevada, USA Posts: 61	All I can see in this is that there's one less precious, precious original copy of IWE in the world, thanks to a bunch of screaming jackasses.

07-30-2005, 02:17 AM	#11
SchnozBott Creature Feature Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 272	I nominate the participants of that event as the new scapegoats for the decline of the space sim genre within the gaming industry. They've earned it. I really seriously didn't imagine there were people out there like that, but I suppose there really are. __________________ SchnozBott:"the operation behind the brains."

07-30-2005, 03:14 AM	#12
Shadowcat SFC Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 77	W.T.F.? That's... so far beyond stupid, I have no words to express it. blank expression

07-30-2005, 08:59 AM	#13
Second Chance Mr. Mod Model Maker Man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the moment: California, USA Posts: 332	The way that girl with the chainmail tiara head thing was dressed up spoke volumes about what kind of people were in that hotel room. I'm actually surprised they weren't wearing their homemade Wing Commander uniforms like they usually do when they go out on weekends. I heard they also got into a slapping fight with the Trek conventioners from the other side of the hotel. But it was broken up by the ever-intimidating cloak-robed Jedi club. __________________ second_chance@cox.net SEVTREK Top 100 Reasons Kirk Is Better Than Picard Ain't No Such Thing As Too Much Amy Wong

07-30-2005, 09:40 AM	#14
hoom Welcome to Hell on Earth Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 499	People, people! Either I am currently undergoing the most crazy & vivid case of deja vous or we have had this discussion here before. To wit, I ain't making comments about it again. __________________ -Dreaming of an Iwar prequel

07-30-2005, 06:07 PM	#15
Greb ילד הזוי Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 354	I don't get it, how is I-war supposed to be a rip off of Wingcommander? I've never seen the film, but I've played i think Wingcommander 3 and it doesn't seem anything like I-war. Greb Edit - hoom, I know what you mean. I once posted about a homeworld TC mod to I-war (never got finished, BTW) only to have dread post a link back to an old thread about it, which I even posted in!

07-31-2005, 12:27 AM	#17
FireCrack Irrationaly Rational Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 5,389	Ironicly enough, the only game i dontr see there is BC3000AD __________________ It is true that there are men who, on the approach of severe pain, hear the very opposite call of command, and never appear more proud, more martial, or more happy than when the storm is brewing; indeed, pain itself provides them with their supreme moments! These are the heroic men, the great pain-bringers of mankind: those few and rare ones who need just the same apology as pain generally — and verily, it should not be denied them. They are forces of the greatest importance for preserving and advancing the species, be it only because they are opposed to smug ease, and do not conceal their disgust at this kind of happiness. Friedrich Nietzsche

07-31-2005, 01:37 AM	#18
Stone Lurking here since 1999! Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Kotzebue, Alaska USA Posts: 255	hoom is right. Somebody posted up this link a while back. It must've been a couple of years now though. I had forgotten all about this site. __________________ -Stone

07-31-2005, 08:26 PM	#19
Second Chance Mr. Mod Model Maker Man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the moment: California, USA Posts: 332	Well I've never had this discussion before. And neither have any of the other members who have joined since "a couple of years now". So I'll make the most of my chance to make fun of them now. (I will still never understand why it's such a crime to revive an old topic. Maybe it makes older members of forums feel "special", because they can say "Been there, done that. Discussion over. You newbies shouldn't discuss things us elders have already talked about. It bores us. And these forums are here for us, not you." It's one thing if the same topic has 10 concurrent threads and is a common pointless discussion, but otherwise it would be nice for newer members to be a part of the forum too. So there. ) __________________ second_chance@cox.net SEVTREK Top 100 Reasons Kirk Is Better Than Picard Ain't No Such Thing As Too Much Amy Wong

08-01-2005, 12:30 AM	#22
hoom Welcome to Hell on Earth Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 499	arrrse I thought this was a nicer nick & couldn't work out how to get the name for that account changed so made this new one... Even that account is a relative newcomer around here but it really doesn't seem like that long ago that this was discussed. For the record: My recollection is that I was/still am unable to understand how the hell these fools got it in their mind that Iwar could possibly be described as a Wingcommander ripoff. Mainly in this thread I have been surprised by the reactions of people who partook of the original thread, posting as if they hadn't seen this travesty before __________________ -Dreaming of an Iwar prequel

08-01-2005, 03:55 AM	#23
Dreadnaught Registered User Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: New York City Posts: 37,659	I remember seeing this a while ago and thinking: A) They really know nothing about I-War B) They actually found a girl to take part in this? A few years later, I think it's safe to begin speculating on the high and mighty positions they reached in their lives. __________________ Dreadnaught's Independence War Page \| I-War FAQ \| September 11, 2001 \| We Sell, Or Else\| The World Forgotten

08-01-2005, 01:01 PM	#24
Stone Lurking here since 1999! Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Kotzebue, Alaska USA Posts: 255	My apologies to Second Chance and Merciful. It's not a crime to revive old posts or to bring up topics that were discussed before. It's one of the things that keep this community up and living. Post whatever you'd like if you think that it's interesting and would be of interest to someone in the community. I didn't mean to come off as an elitist oldtimer. All I can think is that it was a little early in the morning here in Alaska when I posted and I was still a little sleepy. __________________ -Stone

08-01-2005, 04:22 PM	#25
Merciful The One and Only Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Järvenpää, Finland Posts: 100	Hey, hey, hey! No need to apologise. BTW, speaking of old timers, didn't we once compare who was the most senior old timer? Stephen won due not only being fan of I-War before it was released, but even before Infogrames became the publisher. ps. I think if those WC fans had faced the European I-War box, they would have lost. The boxes over here were made of hard and dense kind of cardboard. __________________ Utterly ******* Groovy * Buda5 *

08-01-2005, 06:34 PM	#26
hoom Welcome to Hell on Earth Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 499	Thats a good point! They seem to have had some difficulty even with the flimsy stuff of the US version but that UK version was much thicker. Yeah, about the only thing thats more tragic than seeing those old classics destroyed is the lame things they did to do the destruction. __________________ -Dreaming of an Iwar prequel

08-02-2005, 12:49 AM	#27
Second Chance Mr. Mod Model Maker Man Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the moment: California, USA Posts: 332	In all seriousness; the most tragic thing of all is that, with all the time and energy spent destroying products guilty of being "not Wing Commander", they haven't contributed to the improvement of the genre in any way. If only they would have put all that work into learning how to create a new, better space game. But again, much like mud-slinger politics, it all comes down to rabid supporters and "being the last one standing", rather than rising above the rest through your own virtues. They would rather see all other space games destroyed than face the idea that there might be a game better than theirs (or even merely equal). How sad to lose copies of any space game. At least they were contributions to the genre. __________________ second_chance@cox.net SEVTREK Top 100 Reasons Kirk Is Better Than Picard Ain't No Such Thing As Too Much Amy Wong

08-02-2005, 04:16 AM	#28
Nightwatch Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 450	I have to admit I keep the old wing commander sets around for one reason. A few years ago I found a program that could rip out the movies from the CDs. I have it on my list to find a decent AVI compresser and then put them up on a site somewhere. The WC4 set actually has some great space movie battle scenes that are definatly worth preserving. But smashing up I-war. Come on. I wouldn't even do that with copies of Star Trek Armada or Birth of the Federation.

08-10-2005, 01:12 PM	#30
WX_Peregrin Komm susser tod. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 204	This is my first time seeing this...I was clawing at my monitor saying, "I COULD USE THAT COPY!" breaks down and cries at the destruction of beautiful space sim nostalgia, as taps is heard playing in the wind In all seriousness though...wth...? __________________ Neon Genesis Evangelion Movie(s)! As the dark steam pours, out the entrance, real cold world is swirling into a club that keeps the real live world out. --Glass Danse, The Faint

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