Rock Lee vs Neji

[Omid]

I know this is an very close battle but who do you think would win the battle?

I am going to defend Lee on this one, anyone who thinks Neji can beat Lee; bring it on.

[St0rM04]

If it was just a normal fight (without Lee opening the gates) then Neji would win, If Lee opened his gates then Neji would be splat.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by St0rM04

If it was just a normal fight (without Lee opening the gates) then Neji would win, If Lee opened his gates then Neji would be splat.

Wrong, Drunken Lee Style > Neji.
That's the main reason I think Drunken Lee would beat Neji. Logically, it seems like it would take a very precise hit to damage the tenketsu, since the tenketsu are so small. When someone's movements are as unpredictable as Drunken Lee's, landing such a precise hit becomes near-impossible, imo--even Kimi was having a lot of trouble.

Come again?

[St0rM04]

Originally Posted by Omid

Wrong, Drunken Lee Style > Neji.
That's the main reason I think Drunken Lee would beat Neji. Logically, it seems like it would take a very precise hit to damage the tenketsu, since the tenketsu are so small. When someone's movements are as unpredictable as Drunken Lee's, landing such a precise hit becomes near-impossible, imo--even Kimi was having a lot of trouble.

Come again?

Actually i was right because i said and i quote "If it was a normal fight", which means if he was sober then Neji would win.Yes you are correct in the fact that drunken Lee would beat Neji.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by St0rM04

Actually i was right because i said and i quote "If it was a normal fight", which means if he was sober then Neji would win.Yes you are correct in the fact that drunken Lee would beat Neji.

So hold on a second, you tell me that Neji can go on full power while Rock Lee goes on what, 30/40% of his strenght? that's kinda unfair.
I am suprised the Neji fans haven't replied yet.

[St0rM04]

Originally Posted by Omid

So hold on a second, you tell me that Neji can go on full power while Rock Lee goes on what, 30/40% of his strenght? that's kinda unfair.
I am suprised the Neji fans haven't replied yet.

I don't think there are many Neji fans here.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by St0rM04

I don't think there are many Neji fans here.

I thought there were, many people automatically assume Neji's Kaiten would own Rock Lee.

[St0rM04]

Originally Posted by Omid

I thought there were, many people automatically assume Neji's Kaiten would own Rock Lee.

Could happen if Lee gets caught of guard...

[Omid]

Originally Posted by St0rM04

Could happen if Lee gets caught of guard...

Neji may have kaiten, but lee might be able to out speed that. Image lee with some gates opened AND drunk. Lee's speed > Neji's Kaiten,

[SS4Zach]

Neji would when because he will poke his chakra points.

[MysticGospel]

Yea, but only problem would be that lee dosen't use nin or genjustu, but he can still do serious damage if hehits say his heart, it really is a battle that can go either way. Also, Neji has the rotation as his def too, but they are pretty much even. However, we haven't seen a full fight of lee vs naruto after the Chunin exam, so we can't really make a power chain yet. So I stand undecided for now.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SS4Zach

Neji would when because he will poke his chakra points.

Lee being a natural user of the drunken fist, holds all the advantages of what drunken fist entails. Amazing strength, unpredictability, plus all the advantages held by mastering a style. I think Lee would take neji out even with kaiten. I could see it now...

*lee runs* *neji starts kaiten* *lee falls before reaching neji* *kaiten stops* *lee attacks*

Originally Posted by MysticGospel

Yea, but only problem would be that lee dosen't use nin or genjustu, but he can still do serious damage if hehits say his heart, it really is a battle that can go either way. Also, Neji has the rotation as his def too, but they are pretty much even. However, we haven't seen a full fight of lee vs naruto after the Chunin exam, so we can't really make a power chain yet. So I stand undecided for now.

Ok, picture in your mind, picture lee going to use the lotus on neji. When he does that disappearing thing, he appears in like 0.50 seconds again and hits him in the stomach right? Can neji do a complete kaiten in 0.50 seconds? and after that its lee's lotus but neji should have gotten so damaged that he cant use kaiten in the air anymore.
Lee drunk would also be able to dodge Gentle Fist and the 64/128 Strikes. At one point when he was fighting Kimi while drunk, Kimi was like "Why can't I land any hits?" And Kimi is probably at least jounin level and has an advanced bloodline. If Lee can dodge blows from one of Oro's best fighters, he can probably dodge blows from a genin (a genius genin, but still a genin).

[SS4Zach]

Druken Lee....he's all right.I think he's better when he is normal with his omate renge and ura renge.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SS4Zach

Druken Lee....he's all right.I think he's better when he is normal with his omate renge and ura renge.

He is incredible powerfull, fast and unpredictable (plays a very good part) when he is Suikode user.

[SS4Zach]

I want to see Matio Gai drink it.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SS4Zach

I want to see Matio Gai drink it.

Lol, I think Drunken Lee > Drunken Gai.

[Aaroniero]

Originally Posted by Omid

Lol, I think Drunken Lee > Drunken Gai.

DRunken gai>drunken lee

[SS4Zach]

Too bad Jiraiya is not a drunken master.

I guess Rock Lee's theme song is FLOW!(a theme song of Naruto)because it says "you fight like a drunken fighter"!

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SS4Zach

Too bad Jiraiya is not a drunken master.

I guess Rock Lee's theme song is FLOW!(a theme song of Naruto)because it says "you fight like a drunken fighter"!

Lol! that would be interesting, though, I think he usually is drunk with the girls and stuff.

It is, It is!

@superbuu, we never seen Gai drunk before.

[chronicdevil]

You overestimate Drunken Lee, he's a comical character, he's not to be taken seriously, it's pointless to use him in a discussion. It's obvious Kimimaro wasn't taking him seriously, that whole fight was a joke, and a pretty funny one, but that's all it was. Drunken Lee does seem to have more speed, but note that he's drunk, he doesn't actually know what he's doing. Because he's unpredictable, it's impossible to say who would win, and there's no point trying.

Anyway:

Neji > Lee without weights
Lee with 5 gates open > Neji

There's no point arguing this, it's more or less supported by the story. We can discuss 'what if's' and stuff, but it would be pretty pointless.

[SS4Zach]

I know that Neji would win if they ever had a battle.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

You overestimate Drunken Lee, he's a comical character, he's not to be taken seriously, it's pointless to use him in a discussion. It's obvious Kimimaro wasn't taking him seriously, that whole fight was a joke, and a pretty funny one, but that's all it was. Drunken Lee does seem to have more speed, but note that he's drunk, he doesn't actually know what he's doing. Because he's unpredictable, it's impossible to say who would win, and there's no point trying.

Anyway:

Neji > Lee without weights
Lee with 5 gates open > Neji

There's no point arguing this, it's more or less supported by the story. We can discuss 'what if's' and stuff, but it would be pretty pointless.

I disagree, you can use Drunken Lee in a discussion because it's canon and Kimmi took the fight serious, though it was Lee's unpredictable movements which made Kimmi guess when to strike. Lee > Neji because of his Speed, power and unpredicting movements.

Anyway:

Neji is not that fast, I don't think Neji is as fast (or closely) as Lee , the only reason why Neji still wupps Lee's ass , is because of his ultimate deffense, and even Naruto could brake through that deffence in the chuunin exams (And even then , Naruto wasn't as fast as lee !!!!)
I wonder what you think about Kidomaru, do you think Lee could beat him?

[Aaroniero]

Neji is not that fast,

He has a 3 in speed , in the databook

[chronicdevil]

Originally Posted by Omid

I disagree, you can use Drunken Lee in a discussion because it's canon and Kimmi took the fight serious, though it was Lee's unpredictable movements which made Kimmi guess when to strike. Lee > Neji because of his Speed, power and unpredicting movements.

Kimimaro didn't take it seriously, he was serious against Gaara. Did you see how easily Kimimaro snapped Lee out of his drunken state straight after activating a bit of the curse seal. Curse seal 2 Kimimaro would have slaughtered Drunken Lee. Kimimaro with a bit of curse seal power was also able to stop Lee's Omote renge, he instantly caught Lee's foot, even though he was moving at an incredible speed, how easily would he catch Drunken Lee's attacks. After all Lee using Omote renge > Drunken Lee in terms of speed.

Neji is not that fast, I don't think Neji is as fast (or closely) as Lee , the only reason why Neji still wupps Lee's ass , is because of his ultimate deffense, and even Naruto could brake through that deffence in the chuunin exams (And even then , Naruto wasn't as fast as lee !!!!)
I wonder what you think about Kidomaru, do you think Lee could beat him?

Neji is very fast, his hand movement is precise AND extremely fast.

Also Naruto never broke through Neji's Kaiten, it was more or less a draw, and this is a Kyuubi powered Naruto and a rushed Kaiten we're talking about.

I reckon Lee without weights could beat Kidoumaru.

[Dbfan]

Lee<Neji
Lee (aloud to use gates) > Neji

Drunken Lee...I doubt he could escape Neji's attacks.

[Aaroniero]

Originally Posted by Omid

Lol! that would be interesting, though, I think he usually is drunk with the girls and stuff.

It is, It is!

@superbuu, we never seen Gai drunk before.

i know

[Omid]

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Kimimaro didn't take it seriously, he was serious against Gaara.

Kimmi was serious, he could not win against Drunken Lee. The normal Lee was much easier to dealt with than Drunken Lee. Also remember that Lee only used his first gate against Kimmi, not even close to what he shown to Gaara during the Chunnin pre matches.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Did you see how easily Kimimaro snapped Lee out of his drunken state straight after activating a bit of the curse seal.

I did but you must obviously not realise that Drunken Lee= Kimmi. He said at the beginning that Lee's attacks were too ''direct'' before Lee became drunk because of that Saké and became ''unpredictable'' with his movements. Why did Kimmi tried to snap Lee out of his Drunken stadium? why? because, he couldn't beat Lee when he was drunk.
Drunken Lee will win for sure unpredictable movements increased strength and speed, plus the ability to open gates, remember when we saw drunk lee he had just gotten out of surgery, I even beleive sober lee could beat neji and plus drunken lee has a personality where as nejis a hard ass.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Curse seal 2 Kimimaro would have slaughtered Drunken Lee. Kimimaro with a bit of curse seal power was also able to stop Lee's Omote renge, he instantly caught Lee's foot, even though he was moving at an incredible speed, how easily would he catch Drunken Lee's attacks. After all Lee using Omote renge > Drunken Lee in terms of speed.

Okay if you want to play it that way then rewatch the episode when Gaara came in and had a convo with Lee before his fight with Kimmi:
''Rock Lee: This person is incredible powerfull''
''Gaara: This time, you didn't even put your spirit in the attacks''
I am sure Gaara saw that that wasn't Lee's full power, remember that Lee was already sober when Gaara joined the fight.
It took Gai AND neji to restrain Lee, neji most likely would'nt be able to touch lee in his drunk state, let alone him using the gates would up the chances.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Neji is very fast, his hand movement is precise AND extremely fast.

Haven't you read my previous posts? I said that Drunken Lee is too unpredictable with his movements, even Neji has to gamble.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Also Naruto never broke through Neji's Kaiten, it was more or less a draw, and this is a Kyuubi powered Naruto and a rushed Kaiten we're talking about.

You'd still have to take into account that Lee using the 5th gate could surpass kyubi Naruto chackra wise, I mean, we all saw what he did to gaara if it was'nt for all that sand.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

I reckon Lee without weights could beat Kidoumaru.

For once I agree.

Originally Posted by Dbfan

Drunken Lee...I doubt he could escape Neji's attacks.

Sorry to intrude but Drunken Lee's movements are too unpredictable for Neji's attacks.

[chronicdevil]

Kimmi was serious, he could not win against Drunken Lee.

You're delusional. Kimimaro can't be beaten by Drunken Lee's taijutsu, it's so unbelievably obvious. The ONLY way Lee could even hope to beat Kimimaro is if he opened the gates, even then there's a chance Kimimaro could win. Kimimaro is the worst match up for a taijutsu user, although it wasn't stated, Kimimaro has an absolute defense stronger than Gaara's armour of sand.

Also remember that Lee only used his first gate against Kimmi

Drunken Lee can't use the gates. Don't even bother saying he might be able to, because it's pointless, there's nothing to prove otherwise.

I did but you must obviously not realise that Drunken Lee= Kimmi.

No. Do you also believe that Drunken Lee is stronger than all of Gaara's attacks? Because he's not.

CS2 Kimimaro > Gaara > Lee with 5 gates open >>>>>>>>>>>>> Drunken Lee

This is a fact, seeing as it's supported by the manga and anime, don't bother arguing it.

Why did Kimmi tried to snap Lee out of his Drunken stadium?

He didn't try, Lee just happened to get snapped out after Drunken Lee was injured with such ease.

Drunken Lee will win for sure unpredictable movements increased strength and speed, plus the ability to open gates

The 8 gates require an immense amount of talent, skill and concentration, what makes you think a drunk person can use them?

And this is why you shouldn't use Drunken Lee in a debate, all you keep saying is he's unpredictable. You can't use unpredictability in a discussion, it could mean anything, good or bad, which is why it's unpredictable. Don't mention that again, it's pointless. If you do i'll probably just ignore it.

plus drunken lee has a personality where as nejis a hard ass.

That has nothing to do with anything

''Gaara: This time, you didn't even put your spirit in the attacks''

Actually he said something more along the lines of "last time your moves had more edge."

remember when we saw drunk lee he had just gotten out of surgery

Lee has only ever been at full health twice in a fight, and that was against Sasuke and the Sound nins. Lee at full health isn't significantly stronger than he is at lower health.

It took Gai AND neji to restrain Lee

Gai and Neji weren't trying to injure him, hence why both of them needed to help. Gai even said that he could have done it himself.

neji most likely would'nt be able to touch lee in his drunk state

Wishful thinking, and it's getting annoying.

You'd still have to take into account that Lee using the 5th gate could surpass kyubi Naruto chackra wise, I mean, we all saw what he did to gaara if it was'nt for all that sand.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Neji > Lee without weights
Lee with 5 gates open > Neji

Sorry to intrude but Drunken Lee's movements are too unpredictable for Neji's attacks.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

You're delusional. Kimimaro can't be beaten by Drunken Lee's taijutsu, it's so unbelievably obvious. The ONLY way Lee could even hope to beat Kimimaro is if he opened the gates, even then there's a chance Kimimaro could win.

Why is it so obvious? why did Kimmi want to snap Lee out of his drunken state?

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Kimimaro is the worst match up for a taijutsu user, although it wasn't stated, Kimimaro has an absolute defense stronger than Gaara's armour of sand.

Funny that he fell so easily on the ground once Lee kicked him by suprise.

Originally Posted by chronicdevil

Drunken Lee can't use the gates. Don't even bother saying he might be able to, because it's pointless, there's nothing to prove otherwise.

It might be possible, you never know how a suikode user acts.
Regardless of if neji is invincible or not, Kaiten takes up quite a lot of chakra, like all the ultimate defences do. If Lee is, and to quote from the anime, too "unpredictable" for a perfectly "unwasteful" taijutsu master, then i fail to see how neji has the time to activate kaiten. Despite having 2 stages, the first does little damage, giving lee the time to move back before neji whirls, since that would require neji to move his feet, which obviously aren't on par with Lee's. There's a reason neji didn't run around during the Kido fight: he's just not THAT fast. Unless he's using divination, a skill which Lee can easily move away from (seeing as Lee commented that he would NEVER attack from the front, unless he could see and counter an attack). Divination also starts with slow strikes, and builds up the full speed when using the 2,4,8 method, giving rock enough time to put a spinning dropkick in neji's head.

Next, Neji's reaction speed isn't quite that awesome if he needs a full 50 meters of warning to barely dodge kunais (he's probably the only person taken down from afar by a small ninja weapon in the anime). 50 meters is around 10 classroom lengths, for those in high school, or around 20 cars. at that distance, using a wee bit of physics, if the impact of the kunais with the ground resulted in a penetration of less than 10 cm, then (using average ground resistance, which would actually be LESS if the ground was fertile and grassy), then the kunais could not be travelling at speeds over 100kph (which is 3.6m/s). you try it. take a spade, throw it at the ground. you get around 5 cm of penetration, from an unsharpened object. that gives neji around 14 seconds of anticipation vs. objects he was barely able to avoid, vs. the fraction of a second he needs to stop Lee's attacks. That not enough? Lee's drunken strike on Kimi at the end of him dodging tsubaki no mai launched him flying, sending at least enough kinetic energy into kimi's ribs to launch him 20 meters away, and to make him drop his bone sword. Again, for a taijutsu master to lose his grip on his weapon, that must have been a strong hit.

now, think kimi's a speed slouch? watch when he takes the barrel from naruto and shikamaru. He moves so fast that by the time their hands reach where the barrel had been, he's on another branch.

Besides, even tsunade and gai believe that with an entire bottle of sake, his power would be "inconcievable".

[chronicdevil]

Why is it so obvious? why did Kimmi want to snap Lee out of his drunken state?

It's obvious because Kimimaro (who was suffering from a life threatening disease at the time) was able to survive every single one of Gaara's best attacks. Attacks that are much stronger than the ones he used against Lee.

And you conveniently missed the rest of my post which answered that 2nd question.

It might be possible

It might be, but you can say that for everything. For example Konohamaru might have the strongest jutsu in the series. Sasuke might be (and most likely is) a homosexual.

I've already explained exactly why I don't like to debate about Drunken Lee, so please leave it that way, it would save a heck of a lot of time.