Android 13 in DBZ

[Timothy2035]

Hey can you tell me about your the DBZ movie that features Android 13? I don't know a whole lot about this character.

Tell me some details and let's discuss the movie. I may order it based on some info from you guys.

Time to let the fandom shine.

[Omid]

Hai.
First off, Android 13 is the guy with the hat. He isn't that powerfull in my opinion, even when he is fused as I am sure Super Saiyan 2 can handle him.
I think SA13 = Ultra Super Saiyan. He is ironically enough very fast even though his body is pretty bulky.

I wonder though, was Cell somewhere in this time too? it seems a bit akward as the movies were suppose to match the episodes..

[_Sim_]

Well the android(android 13) was created by Dr.Gero and, of course, was sent to kill Goku. And there were two other androids before him, 14 & 15. They get beaten by SS Vegeta and Trunks. Then there was only Android 13 left. Well andorids 14 & 15 were blown to bits, so 13 absorbs their power cells and chips to become Super Android 13.
I think thats enough for now. Any questions?

[SuperGogeta3]

Originally Posted by Omid

He isn't that powerfull in my opinion, even when he is fused as I am sure Super Saiyan 2 can handle him.
I think SA13 = Ultra Super Saiyan. He is ironically enough very fast even though his body is pretty bulky.

Hes a little stronger then a SSJ, but a lot weaker then a USSJ. A semi-powered SSJ beat him, much like LSSJ Broly.

Originally Posted by Omid

I wonder though, was Cell somewhere in this time too? it seems a bit akward as the movies were suppose to match the episodes..

That's why we don't compare episodes to movies.

[gokuislord]

Alright, the movie starts at a mall where Chi-Chi, Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Oolong, Master Roshi, and Krillin are having fun and what-not. Well, two Androids, 14 and 15, come and smash up the place. Goku and Trunks go out in the city and fight them. Goku and Trunks lead the Androids out to the glacier, with Krillin and Gohan following. A third Android comes, who calls himself 13. They all fight, when Vegeta and Piccolo show up. Trunks and Vegeta kill 14 and 15, and 13 absorbs 14 and 15's computer chips, powering up to S13. S13 kicks everyone around and throws Goku into the ocean. Goku tries to perform a Spirit Bomb upside down and while a Super Saiyan(You can't make a Spirit Bomb while SSJ). Goku absorbs the Spirit Bomb and punches S13, killing him. On a glacier, Piccolo asks if it's over, with Vegeta answering, not until the fish jumps, when the fish jumps, Vegeta says, "It's over".

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Hes a little stronger then a SSJ, but a lot weaker then a USSJ. A semi-powered SSJ beat him, much like LSSJ Broly.

Actually he is equal in overall = USSJ ssj form. Why? because he has both Speed AND power.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

That's why we don't compare episodes to movies.

~sigh~ that's my line but some parts of DBZ movies do make sense though.

Originally Posted by gokuislord

S13 kicks everyone around and throws Goku into the ocean. Goku tries to perform a Spirit Bomb upside down and while a Super Saiyan(You can't make a Spirit Bomb while SSJ).

Who ever gave you that idea? haha of course you can make a spirit bomb in a SSJ state, hence I don't think that even matters.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Goku absorbs the Spirit Bomb and punches S13, killing him.

Funny that he absorbs it, never seen him absorbing Ki power in the Episodes (yes I know, but still).

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

On a glacier, Piccolo asks if it's over, with Vegeta answering, not until the fish jumps, when the fish jumps, Vegeta says, "It's over".

Vegeta is kinda underatted in all movies, ironically enough, he is supposed to be kinda equal to Goku.

[SuperGogeta3]

Originally Posted by Omid

Actually he is equal in overall = USSJ ssj form. Why? because he has both Speed AND power.

No you don't just say hes = because he has speed and power. Obviously a SSJ has speed and power, but that doesn't make that transformation as strong as a USSJ.

Also let me add, that hes not that fast. He has somewhat good power, but his close combat fighting skills are mediocre, he just shoots a bunch of blasts at Goku, which he dodges when he reaches full power.

Bottom line is, we didn't see enough of his Super form to decide anything. especially not enough to make an assumption that hes as strong as a USSJ, when hes clearly not. USSJ Vegeta would flick him, and he would die.

Originally Posted by Omid

~sigh~ that's my line but some parts of DBZ movies do make sense though.

Yeah but, you'll save yourself a lot of time by just looking at them as a completely different series.

Oh btw, you messed up your quotes. That wasn't me in your post above, it was Gokuislord.

[gokuislord]

Originally Posted by Omid

Who ever gave you that idea? haha of course you can make a spirit bomb in a SSJ state, hence I don't think that even matters.


Funny that he absorbs it, never seen him absorbing Ki power in the Episodes (yes I know, but still).


Vegeta is kinda underatted in all movies, ironically enough, he is supposed to be kinda equal to Goku.

Well, look at thisQuotes from Daizenshuu EX:
1.As Piccolo is crushed under the weight of Super 13's foot, he yells out for Goku to show him the true power of a Super Saiyan. Goku indeed turns into a Super Saiyan, but Kuririn remarks that it will be impossible for Goku to use the Genki-Dama with a heart full of anger and hatred (which is necessary in order to turn into a Super Saiyan).
2. In a shocking (and highly illogical) move, Goku begins to absorb the energy from the Genki-Dama AS a Super Saiyan.
3. That's easly found out in movie 8.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

No you don't just say hes = because he has speed and power. Obviously a SSJ has speed and power, but that doesn't make that transformation as strong as a USSJ.

An USSJ has its flaws, Speed > Power which is why I say: USSJ = SSJ.
Both of them lack of one minor factor.
SSJ= Power
USSJ= Speed.
USSJ > SSJ in terms of power
SSJ > USSJ in terms of speed.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Also let me add, that hes not that fast. He has somewhat good power, but his close combat fighting skills are mediocre, he just shoots a bunch of blasts at Goku, which he dodges when he reaches full power.

Ironically enough, he has a stronger stamina compared to a USSJ. However, his speed is on a adequate level. It's maybe a bit slower than SSJ but it comes close.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Bottom line is, we didn't see enough of his Super form to decide anything. especially not enough to make an assumption that hes as strong as a USSJ, when hes clearly not.

Funny, his stamina >>> USSJ.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

USSJ Vegeta would flick him, and he would die.

No he wouldn't flick him, he lacks speed whereas Android 13 is maybe a tad faster than USSJ.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Yeah but, you'll save yourself a lot of time by just looking at them as a completely different series.

It's named as DBZ and for example in Movie 07, they do show how Dr. Gero died right? well then, there must be some sort of connection between Movies & the episodes.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Oh btw, you messed up your quotes. That wasn't me in your post above, it was Gokuislord.

Gomeh, I was typing fast whereas I forgot.

Originally Posted by gokuislord

Well, look at thisQuotes from Daizenshuu EX:
1.As Piccolo is crushed under the weight of Super 13's foot, he yells out for Goku to show him the true power of a Super Saiyan. Goku indeed turns into a Super Saiyan, but Kuririn remarks that it will be impossible for Goku to use the Genki-Dama with a heart full of anger and hatred (which is necessary in order to turn into a Super Saiyan).

2. In a shocking (and highly illogical) move, Goku begins to absorb the energy from the Genki-Dama AS a Super Saiyan.
3. That's easly found out in movie 8.

1. And this leads you to think that Goku cannot use his SSB in a SSJ state? that doesn't make sense, it's about his heart; yes I can agree with that but when Goku goes SSJ, it doesn't mean that he is angered or something like that. Come on, when he trained with Gohan at the Cell Saga, he was SSJ the whole time and was he angry? no, it was the same old Goku we knew.

2. He gets more power, of course he can ''then'' transform into a SSJ.

3. Yeah movie, not episode...

[SuperGogeta3]

Ironically enough, he has a stronger stamina compared to a USSJ. However, his speed is on a adequate level. It's maybe a bit slower than SSJ but it comes close.

Funny, his stamina >>> USSJ.

Erm, where did you get this assumption from?

No he wouldn't flick him, he lacks speed whereas Android 13 is maybe a tad faster than USSJ.

No... Super 13 lost to SSJ Goku, where USSJ Vegeta would kill him with little to no effort.

It's named as DBZ and for example in Movie 07, they do show how Dr. Gero died right? well then, there must be some sort of connection between Movies & the episodes.

Bottom line is, they can't be properly linked...

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Erm, where did you get this assumption from?

If you look at it, then you can tell. The stamina of an USSJ is probably equalivent to the stamina of an SSJ but then in a muscled form.
Super Android 13 are 3 bodies in one, which leads me to think of that since Goku or the other Z fighters hardly could lay a punch on this Super Android 13, his stamina is powerfull.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

No... Super 13 lost to SSJ Goku, where USSJ Vegeta would kill him with little to no effort.

That's because SSJ Goku was with the power of the Spirit Bomb, remember from who Goku got all the power. Normal SSJ Goku would never be able to beat Super Android 13, hence he almost died.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Bottom line is, they can't be properly linked...

Then explain me this: why did they show at the start of the movie the death of Dr.Gero? Sure, Gero died the same way in the episodes.

[gokuislord]

Originally Posted by Omid

1. And this leads you to think that Goku cannot use his SSB in a SSJ state? that doesn't make sense, it's about his heart; yes I can agree with that but when Goku goes SSJ, it doesn't mean that he is angered or something like that. Come on, when he trained with Gohan at the Cell Saga, he was SSJ the whole time and was he angry? no, it was the same old Goku we knew.

2. He gets more power, of course he can ''then'' transform into a SSJ.

3. Yeah movie, not episode...

We're talking about pre-ROSAT training SSJ1 Goku.

[Aaroniero]

It's named as DBZ and for example in Movie 07, they do show how Dr. Gero died right? well then, there must be some sort of connection between Movies & the episodes.

movies can't be linked to the series

I think SA13 = Ultra Super Saiyan. He is ironically enough very fast even though his body is pretty bulky.

IMO he is way weaker than a USSJ

[Omid]

Originally Posted by gokuislord

We're talking about pre-ROSAT training SSJ1 Goku.

Yeah but still, I want to prove a point.

Originally Posted by superbuu125

movies can't be linked to the series

Not in all parts though, Bojack for example is a very good link to the episodes.

Originally Posted by superbuu125

IMO he is way weaker than a USSJ

He is a brute, the Z fighters couldn't even destroy him if there wasn't a Spirit Bomb...

[gokuislord]

Originally Posted by Omid

Yeah but still, I want to prove a point.

Yeah, Post-POSAT SSJ1 Goku could perform a SB, but he hadn't trained in there in the movie.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by gokuislord

Yeah, Post-POSAT SSJ1 Goku could perform a SB, but he hadn't trained in there in the movie.

You must know that we can't say actually, there is a time gap in the movies so who knows.. Goku wasn't sick either..

[gokuislord]

I'm just assuming, since Gohan couldn't go SSJ1 in the movie, so...

[SuperGogeta3]

If you look at it, then you can tell. The stamina of an USSJ is probably equalivent to the stamina of an SSJ but then in a muscled form.
Super Android 13 are 3 bodies in one, which leads me to think of that since Goku or the other Z fighters hardly could lay a punch on this Super Android 13, his stamina is powerfull.

That's a personal opinion, or an assumption though. No facts leading you to Super 13 has more Stamina.

That's because SSJ Goku was with the power of the Spirit Bomb, remember from who Goku got all the power. Normal SSJ Goku would never be able to beat Super Android 13, hence he almost died.

No he didn't almost die. He let himself get hit by a energy blast multiple times. Super 13 can't beat a SSJ with a little extra power, he can't come close to beating a USSJ. That simple, the whole anime tells you that USSJ is superior to a SSJ, and Super 13 lost to a SSJ with a little extra power boosting him. So therefore, USSJ > Super 13.

Then explain me this: why did they show at the start of the movie the death of Dr.Gero? Sure, Gero died the same way in the episodes.

Probably because they wanted to add a little more drama to the beginning. That's about it.. lol

[Omid]

Originally Posted by gokuislord

I'm just assuming, since Gohan couldn't go SSJ1 in the movie, so...

Good point but then again, I wonder what Trunks did there? I mean, this means he defeated the androids in his own time and came back to the present?

[gokuislord]

I don't think the movie took place anywhere.

[Omid]

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

That's a personal opinion, or an assumption though. No facts leading you to Super 13 has more Stamina.

But we saw what stamina he had against the other Z fighters, right? Did we ever see USSJ form in a higher defence against other fighters? no, that's their weakness.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

No he didn't almost die. He let himself get hit by a energy blast multiple times. Super 13 can't beat a SSJ with a little extra power, he can't come close to beating a USSJ.

Yet he probably is a tad faster than a USSJ.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

That simple, the whole anime tells you that USSJ is superior to a SSJ, and Super 13 lost to a SSJ with a little extra power boosting him. So therefore, USSJ > Super 13.

In power? maybe but not in speed.

Originally Posted by SuperGogeta3

Probably because they wanted to add a little more drama to the beginning. That's about it.. lol

lol.

[Mystic Gohan]

Originally Posted by gokuislord

Yeah, Post-POSAT SSJ1 Goku could perform a SB, but he hadn't trained in there in the movie.

Incorrect. Its explained in the movie. Krillin explains that due to the aggresive and hatful nature of a Super Saiyan Goku cannot maitain a Spirit Bomb while he is gathering the energy. In the movie he transformed half way into the technique and as a result the energy of the spirit bomb was sucked into his body. In my opinion that might have been the single strongest Goku in Z even stronger than SSJ3 but we will never no for sure.

[gokuislord]

Originally Posted by Mystic Gohan

Incorrect. Its explained in the movie. Krillin explains that due to the aggresive and hatful nature of a Super Saiyan Goku cannot maitain a Spirit Bomb while he is gathering the energy. In the movie he transformed half way into the technique and as a result the energy of the spirit bomb was sucked into his body. In my opinion that might have been the single strongest Goku in Z even stronger than SSJ3 but we will never no for sure.

Yes, but AFTER he trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, that agressiveness was lost, because no rage was required to go SSJ1.

[Mystic Gohan]

Originally Posted by gokuislord

Yes, but AFTER he trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, that agressiveness was lost, because no rage was required to go SSJ1.

There no bases to that theory mainly because we never see SSJ Goku holding a Spirit Bomb after that movie. And we dont no for sure if the SSJ transformation can be aquired without anger. Just because they can transform with ease does not mean that the method they use to change has disappeared.

[ITISIYA]

The character Android 13 is not quite the heavy hitter. Considering he's about equel with SS1 Goku. A Goku who hadn't trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, yet. So he fights a, lets say, considerably weak Super Saiyan Goku. I say this because this Movie takes place prior to Gohan's Super Saiyan ascension. Also, both Vegeta and Trunks have still yet to reach the USS state.
Android 13 is, however, noticeably more powerful than Base Goku is.

However, "Super" Android 13 outmached all of the Super Saiyans seen in the movie (= Goku, Vegeta and Trunks). None of the fierce attacks the Z-fighters launched at the Big Blue Badman effected him by the slightest bit. The combined power of a Spirit Bomb and a Super Saiyan were needed to take him down.

To be honest, I don't think Super Android 13 would have much hope of winning against a USS(2).
Super Android 13 fought the Z-fighters when they had yet to enter the Room of Spirit and Time. Before Gohan obtained the SS ability, etc.

O, and the Movie is so-so. The fighting scene's are rather poorly done, in my opinion.

[Mystic Gohan]

Originally Posted by ITISIYA

The character Android 13 is not quite the heavy hitter. Considering he's about equel with SS1 Goku. A Goku who hadn't trained in the Room of Spirit and Time, yet. So he fights a, lets say, considerably weak Super Saiyan Goku. I say this because this Movie takes place prior to Gohan's Super Saiyan ascenion. Also, both Vegeta and Trunks have still yet to reach the USS state.
Android 13 is, however, noticable more powerful than Base Goku is.

However, "Super" Android 13 outmached all of the Super Saiyans seen in the movie (= Goku, Vegeta and Trunks). None of the fierce attacks the Z-fighters launched at the Big Blue Badman effected him by the slightest bit. The combined power of a Spirit Bomb and a Super Saiyan were needed to take him down.

To be honest, I don't think Super Android 13 would have much hope of winning against a USS(2).
Super Android 13 fought the Z-fighters when they had yet to enter the Room of Spirit and Time. Before Gohan had the SS ability, etc.

O, and the Movie is so-so. The fighting scene's are rather poorly done, in my opinion.

This is my opinion 16>>>>17,18>>S13>>>>13>>>19,20>>14,15.

I dont think we can compare S13 to an USSJ because we can compare him to Cell in any form.

[Dbfan]

Nah Mystic. Vegeta and Trunks had alittle bit of trouble with 14 and 15. Meanwhile Vegeta make Android 19 look retarded.

So I'd change your little scale thingy alittle bit.

[blackman34]

hes a cheap fighter